| 00:16.06 | cougarvt | any ipaq hackers here now |
| 00:17.17 | cougarvt | if so i'm looking for the pinout for an ipaq 3660 |
| 00:30.07 | prpplague | cougarvt: its on handhelds.org |
| 00:33.37 | cougarvt | i found it - thanks |
| 00:33.51 | cougarvt | took a bit but eventually it turned up |
| 00:34.23 | jbevren | yawn heh |
| 00:41.29 | *** join/#edev flyback (i=flyback@c-67-165-88-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 00:41.44 | flyback | tell me that a 15 watt iron is good enough for smt work like on the juicebox |
| 00:43.13 | flyback | I got 15 watt grounded iron for $8, two conductive pens normally $16 for $6.50 each and a contact cleaner and contract protector pen for like $4 and $5 |
| 00:43.14 | flyback | http://www.caig.com/ |
| 00:49.13 | prpplague | flyback: blue handle? |
| 00:49.24 | flyback | the iron? |
| 00:49.28 | prpplague | yea |
| 00:50.01 | flyback | no black with a bit of grey |
| 00:50.16 | prpplague | hmm, not sure if that has the fine tip |
| 00:50.22 | flyback | it does kinda |
| 00:50.26 | prpplague | but you can always use a file |
| 00:50.29 | flyback | lemme find a pic |
| 00:50.34 | flyback | you know anything about caig's stuff |
| 00:50.40 | flyback | their contact cleaners and conductive pens |
| 00:50.51 | flyback | i was kinda dissappointed with "music sounds better" |
| 00:50.54 | flyback | on the package |
| 00:54.01 | flyback | http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200002/basics.html |
| 00:54.51 | cougarvt | looks like it'll be ok for SMT - at least the larger packages (SOIC, TQFP...) |
| 00:55.16 | flyback | what wouldn't it work on smt wise? |
| 00:55.39 | cougarvt | uSOP - it would work they are just *small* |
| 00:56.03 | cougarvt | not sure about the jb specifically because i haven't spent much time under the hood |
| 00:56.40 | flyback | I doubt I could do stuff that is realy small anyways |
| 00:56.43 | flyback | my hands shake so bad |
| 00:57.29 | cougarvt | nand flash is pretty tough too but you just got to go slow |
| 00:58.02 | cougarvt | i've had luck globbing a bunch of solder on one side of the chip and prying it up. then doing the same to the other side |
| 00:59.25 | flyback | I can't even get plcc off a board with a 40 iron |
| 00:59.32 | flyback | I always give up and roast it with a heatgun |
| 00:59.54 | cougarvt | i'm spoiled to have nice tools. they help a lot |
| 01:00.14 | cougarvt | i would love a desoldering station though. rework is always sketchy |
| 01:04.05 | jbevren | mm desoldering station |
| 01:04.25 | flyback | they had hot air pencils where I worked for 3 months |
| 01:04.26 | flyback | omg |
| 01:04.34 | flyback | even with my coordination broken in my brain |
| 01:04.41 | flyback | I could like sculture art with that thing |
| 01:04.43 | flyback | awesome |
| 01:10.19 | cougarvt | hrm - sounds like something i'd like. probably not cheap are they? |
| 01:10.27 | jbevren | hehe no |
| 01:10.29 | flyback | no |
| 01:10.32 | flyback | $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
| 01:10.37 | flyback | like $400 and up |
| 01:10.59 | cougarvt | i'll have to convince my company to buy one |
| 01:11.35 | jbevren | heh |
| 01:11.43 | jbevren | if you can expense one, it's a worthwhile investment |
| 01:12.10 | jbevren | you do need a little care though.. hot-air pencils blow caps and resistors around if you have the airflow too high |
| 01:12.54 | cougarvt | i've always wanted to try the toaster oven for reflow |
| 01:15.12 | flyback | http://www.displayresearch.com/education_DIYMotor.htm |
| 01:15.29 | jbevren | heh |
| 01:15.34 | jbevren | kinda wish I had a gui atm |
| 01:16.19 | flyback | why don't you |
| 01:16.44 | jbevren | I'm in the basement |
| 01:16.48 | jbevren | none of my servers have a gui |
| 01:16.54 | flyback | use fbcon :P |
| 01:17.01 | jbevren | this thing doesnt -have- a fb |
| 01:17.07 | jbevren | <- vt420 |
| 01:17.11 | jbevren | on a serial port |
| 01:17.18 | agaffney | serial console++ |
| 01:17.21 | flyback | ah |
| 01:17.32 | flyback | you shuold get a old pentium laptop |
| 01:17.36 | jbevren | vt40 gives you leet++ |
| 01:17.36 | flyback | and set it up as a 24/7 term |
| 01:17.40 | jbevren | nod |
| 01:17.47 | flyback | like $20 :P |
| 01:17.48 | jbevren | I have a p120, but the lcd works about 10% of the time |
| 01:18.00 | jbevren | it'd make a nice remote X console too |
| 01:18.01 | flyback | what does it do or doesn't do |
| 01:18.02 | agaffney | heh |
| 01:18.14 | jbevren | and honestly, I'd use my application server, but I havent finished rebuilding it |
| 01:18.27 | flyback | yeah I am going to revvie my duron 1300 tonight |
| 01:18.32 | jbevren | a few years back I had automount nfs-home |
| 01:18.39 | flyback | thinking about turning oneo f the PII 300 laptops into a X term for the duron |
| 01:18.41 | jbevren | so no matter where you logged in, everything was the same :D |
| 01:18.50 | flyback | in fact I might even put a 2nd nic in the duron and direct connect it |
| 01:18.51 | jbevren | flyback: that'd work pretty well |
| 01:19.03 | jbevren | years back I turned a 386dx into a term |
| 01:19.06 | jbevren | (xterM) |
| 01:19.26 | jbevren | ok one sec |
| 01:19.31 | cougarvt | flyback: http://www.otherpower.com/17page1.html <- good use of a homebrew motor |
| 01:19.33 | flyback | what happens to your laptop when the lcd doesn't work |
| 01:19.39 | flyback | coug I know :) |
| 01:19.48 | flyback | I have a canuckload of motors too |
| 01:20.05 | cougarvt | my brother is building that mill now |
| 01:20.43 | flyback | those cnc mills even the homemade ones are damn useful |
| 01:20.56 | cougarvt | i haven't posted the most up2date pics yet but this is the older 'beta' mill |
| 01:20.58 | cougarvt | http://www.tearsoffire.org/twiki/bin/view/Projects/WindPower |
| 01:21.00 | flyback | you can probably make a few bucks building small quantities of parts for people |
| 01:21.45 | flyback | what |
| 01:21.45 | flyback | is wrong? |
| 01:23.34 | cougarvt | flyback: me or jbevren? |
| 01:24.11 | flyback | jbe |
| 01:24.16 | cougarvt | thought so |
| 01:24.39 | jbevren | I'm draining the water heater |
| 01:24.42 | jbevren | for maintenance |
| 01:24.45 | jbevren | (to flush it) |
| 01:24.50 | jbevren | so I dont want its heater coming on :) |
| 01:24.58 | flyback | ah |
| 01:25.00 | jbevren | problem is, this is a rental, and the last electrician to work here is a *tard |
| 01:25.00 | flyback | yeah good idea |
| 01:25.11 | jbevren | so none of the dual-phase breakers are labelled |
| 01:26.15 | flyback | dude |
| 01:26.20 | flyback | there is no such thing as dual phase power |
| 01:26.20 | flyback | afaik |
| 01:26.42 | flyback | 240 is still single phase |
| 01:28.21 | cougarvt | afaik it can be single or 3 phase (far from my area of expertise) |
| 01:28.29 | flyback | correct |
| 01:28.30 | cougarvt | it being AC |
| 01:29.09 | jbevren | flyback: I call it dual phase cause it uses both sides (high and low) from the incoming AC line |
| 01:29.22 | jbevren | my use of the term is incorrect; it -is- single-phase 240 |
| 01:29.31 | jbevren | grumble |
| 01:33.59 | jbevren | oop :P |
| 01:34.05 | jbevren | stupid thumb |
| 01:35.02 | cougarvt | 'least it wasn't your computer... |
| 01:35.03 | jbevren | oh.. the little house lol |
| 01:35.14 | jbevren | good thing nobody's in there :D |
| 01:35.29 | flyback | oh btw |
| 01:35.35 | flyback | while not directely releated to the channel |
| 01:35.45 | flyback | I want to forward this because I know some of you like doing this stuff |
| 01:35.46 | flyback | http://tomacorp.com/ballistics/ABSvsPVC.html |
| 01:35.51 | jbevren | now if I could just convince my landowner to run that unloaded 30A 240 breaker to the garage, I could use my origin2000 |
| 02:11.50 | jcrouse | flyback: That is an excellent example of a completely off topic url |
| 02:16.51 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:17.06 | jbevren | busted :P |
| 02:20.37 | flyback | sorry |
| 02:23.13 | jcrouse | Now, if the targeting system was ARM based or something |
| 02:23.35 | jcrouse | I'm all for weaponized embedded systems |
| 02:27.09 | jbevren | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6832279023.html |
| 02:27.11 | jbevren | now that looks fun |
| 02:28.06 | jcrouse | 8 grand? |
| 02:28.07 | jcrouse | wow |
| 02:28.19 | jbevren | yeah, price looks bad |
| 02:28.22 | jbevren | but still it looks fun |
| 02:28.44 | jcrouse | I just don't know what to do with that kind of mathmatical power |
| 02:28.59 | jcrouse | I'm sure its useful to somebody, just not me |
| 02:32.05 | *** join/#edev J4k3 (i=jsuter@dhcp-12-197-128-51.intrastar.net) |
| 02:32.44 | jbevren | heh |
| 02:32.51 | jbevren | I'd love to see my TPMP2 run in linux 2.6 |
| 03:05.03 | *** join/#edev chouimat (n=dieu@r2351064.cidc.net) |
| 03:17.30 | jbevren | that was ank apparent success :) |
| 03:17.48 | jbevren | open the basement shower while filling the water heater and black sludge comes spraying out |
| 03:17.57 | jbevren | stupid city water |
| 03:18.00 | flyback | good job |
| 03:18.01 | flyback | also |
| 03:18.05 | flyback | replace your anode |
| 03:18.06 | flyback | replace your anode |
| 03:18.17 | jbevren | I would but its not my heater |
| 03:18.21 | jbevren | I just flush it every other month or so |
| 03:18.24 | flyback | ask your landlord |
| 03:18.31 | jbevren | he'd be like |
| 03:18.32 | jbevren | the what? |
| 03:18.38 | jbevren | is it leaking? |
| 03:18.40 | jbevren | no problem then |
| 03:18.41 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:18.41 | flyback | print him out the howstuffworks |
| 03:19.30 | jbevren | wouldnt do much good |
| 03:19.31 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:19.35 | jbevren | I'm pretty sure he put this in himself |
| 03:19.52 | flyback | dude it's simple you tell him it keeps the heater from rotting away |
| 03:19.55 | flyback | by taking the rot itself |
| 03:20.04 | jbevren | rot? :P |
| 03:20.06 | jbevren | its a glass tank |
| 03:20.11 | flyback | metal rot |
| 03:20.12 | flyback | the element |
| 03:20.43 | flyback | also you hit him with the winner "it's much cheaper to let the anode corrode away then have to replace the tank or heater element" |
| 03:21.09 | jbevren | shrug |
| 03:21.26 | jbevren | man its amazing how running cold water in a shower can cool a room off |
| 03:21.31 | flyback | hehe |
| 03:21.38 | flyback | I seen so many plans for water cooler systems |
| 03:21.41 | jbevren | my basement is 99% insulated |
| 03:21.42 | flyback | been tempted more than once |
| 03:21.48 | jbevren | so its always like 85 down here |
| 03:21.48 | flyback | careful |
| 03:21.49 | jbevren | summer, winter |
| 03:21.54 | flyback | that can cause major mold issues |
| 03:22.02 | jbevren | yep |
| 03:22.06 | jbevren | the walls are sealed |
| 03:22.07 | flyback | do this later |
| 03:22.14 | flyback | google boric acid borax mold |
| 03:22.17 | jbevren | nod |
| 03:22.19 | flyback | you can make a solution of the stuff |
| 03:22.24 | jbevren | I know about the mold ;-) |
| 03:22.26 | flyback | spray it on the walls |
| 03:22.29 | flyback | stops it growing |
| 03:22.33 | jbevren | on the wood walls? hehe |
| 03:22.39 | flyback | also on wood keeps it from rotting and fireproofs them |
| 03:22.48 | flyback | yes they use boric acid as a fireretardant in indoor wood |
| 03:23.03 | flyback | also it kills termites, ants, cockroaches, etc |
| 03:23.17 | flyback | and it's dirt cheap and less toxic per mg than asprin |
| 03:23.19 | jbevren | shrug hehe |
| 03:23.26 | jbevren | I plead complacancy |
| 03:23.47 | flyback | well I plead I don't like my throat trying to swell shut from allergy attack |
| 03:24.06 | flyback | so for $3 32oz bottle of powder, $20 sprayer and day of work, if this stuff keeps the little shits from growing back |
| 03:24.10 | flyback | it's well worth it |
| 03:24.24 | jbevren | I already have the sprayer |
| 03:24.32 | jbevren | I use it to spray a solution of garlic oil, soap, and water on my grass |
| 03:24.38 | flyback | ah cool |
| 03:24.44 | flyback | so you know about some of this stuff already |
| 03:24.48 | flyback | you read the one about beer and soda |
| 03:24.56 | flyback | has to be sugar soda btw can't be diet |
| 03:25.13 | jbevren | nope? |
| 03:25.17 | jbevren | garlic is for mosquitos |
| 03:25.23 | jbevren | harmless to birds, plants, bees, etc |
| 03:25.27 | flyback | it can be used to "bootstrap" the soil with good bacteria again if the the soil is in bad shape |
| 03:25.29 | jbevren | but mosquitos cant stand the sulfur odor |
| 03:25.30 | flyback | yep |
| 03:25.45 | jbevren | mosquitobarrier.com is where I get my oil heh |
| 03:25.55 | jbevren | spray two weeks in a row in the spring |
| 03:25.57 | flyback | those traps supposted to work also |
| 03:25.58 | jbevren | then once monthly till winter |
| 03:26.01 | jbevren | mosquitos: 0 |
| 03:26.04 | flyback | they generate small amount of co2 from propane |
| 03:26.11 | jbevren | yeah, those are cool |
| 03:26.16 | flyback | they get attracted and killed |
| 03:26.19 | jbevren | handy for park/camping runs |
| 03:26.34 | jbevren | the mosquito spray works no matter how the wind shifts tho ;-) |
| 03:26.42 | flyback | hehe |
| 03:26.53 | flyback | I guess avon skin so soft is still one of the best |
| 03:27.01 | flyback | so much so that avon finally broke down like 10 yrs ago |
| 03:27.01 | jbevren | and (to quote the neighbor's daughter) it smells like fried chicken |
| 03:27.04 | flyback | and offered it as a bug spray |
| 03:27.19 | jbevren | ok, water heater's back in production |
| 03:27.25 | jbevren | now tomorrow I get to decomission Guu |
| 03:27.25 | flyback | ants apprentely HATE peppermint oil |
| 03:27.30 | flyback | Guu? |
| 03:27.35 | jbevren | http://jbevren.net/guu |
| 03:27.37 | jbevren | my fileserver |
| 03:27.43 | flyback | file not found |
| 03:27.47 | jbevren | look up jungle wa itsumo hale nochi guu |
| 03:27.49 | jbevren | oh |
| 03:27.51 | jbevren | guu.jpg |
| 03:27.59 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.03 | jbevren | including submarines, etc |
| 03:28.07 | flyback | oh my |
| 03:28.08 | jbevren | so the name suits a 1.3T server |
| 03:28.10 | flyback | ppro? |
| 03:28.14 | jbevren | p3 |
| 03:28.15 | jbevren | 866 |
| 03:28.19 | flyback | dude |
| 03:28.21 | jbevren | 12x hdd |
| 03:28.22 | flyback | if you toss that I will kill you |
| 03:28.25 | jbevren | 1x dead |
| 03:28.31 | jbevren | its getting reassigned |
| 03:28.39 | flyback | good |
| 03:28.42 | jbevren | soon as I get the replacement from seagate (drive is warrantied) |
| 03:28.47 | flyback | cause I know people that would cry to have something like that |
| 03:29.00 | flyback | anything PII class and up can generally still be cleaned up for use |
| 03:29.01 | jbevren | Makoda will become the primary fileserver, guu will become an offline backup |
| 03:29.03 | flyback | even just light browsing |
| 03:29.09 | jbevren | nod |
| 03:29.32 | flyback | would you like a pair of cpu's ? |
| 03:29.33 | flyback | for it |
| 03:29.38 | jbevren | no |
| 03:29.41 | flyback | ok |
| 03:29.42 | jbevren | cpu0 socket is broken |
| 03:29.44 | flyback | ah |
| 03:29.46 | jbevren | I have a pair for it heh |
| 03:29.47 | flyback | probably the VRM |
| 03:29.50 | jbevren | they're in Saori |
| 03:29.57 | flyback | did yuo check the VRM |
| 03:29.58 | jbevren | (same motherboard) |
| 03:30.02 | jbevren | nono, |
| 03:30.06 | jbevren | its physically busted |
| 03:30.17 | flyback | how the canuck did you manage that? |
| 03:30.19 | jbevren | the tab that the heatsink clip hooks to |
| 03:30.22 | jbevren | I didnt |
| 03:30.26 | jbevren | airborne express dropped it |
| 03:30.30 | flyback | ouch |
| 03:30.32 | flyback | :/ |
| 03:30.41 | jbevren | the heatsink snapped off, so I moved the cpu to the cpu1 socket |
| 03:30.44 | flyback | wtf is that beast on top |
| 03:30.49 | flyback | ide raid? |
| 03:30.51 | jbevren | what beast on top |
| 03:30.54 | jbevren | oh, the cards? |
| 03:30.58 | flyback | yeah |
| 03:31.03 | jbevren | top: 3ware 6008 8ch ata raid |
| 03:31.06 | flyback | nice |
| 03:31.08 | jbevren | middle: 3ware 6004 4ch ata raid |
| 03:31.10 | flyback | you need to clean that box bro |
| 03:31.20 | jbevren | bottom: AceNIC fibre gigabit card |
| 03:31.35 | jbevren | clean not, lest ye spread dust into the pci slots ;-) |
| 03:31.36 | flyback | you of all people know what dirt=heat does to silicon |
| 03:31.39 | flyback | bah |
| 03:31.42 | flyback | so you spray the slots |
| 03:31.51 | flyback | big freaking deal |
| 03:31.58 | jbevren | the recomissioning of the server will get it a full cleanup |
| 03:32.04 | jbevren | for now, its in production |
| 03:32.11 | flyback | I like to wash them down when they get like that |
| 03:32.12 | jbevren | if it goes offline unexpectedly, at least 6 systems go braindead |
| 03:32.15 | flyback | ah |
| 03:32.19 | flyback | it's holding the fort |
| 03:32.21 | flyback | I understand :) |
| 03:32.22 | jbevren | yep |
| 03:32.27 | jbevren | it's as mission-critical as you can get |
| 03:32.31 | jbevren | moreso even than the firewall |
| 03:32.43 | jbevren | Makoda will be ready for a transparent swap tomorrow evening |
| 03:32.45 | flyback | I can't wait till sata totally kills off pata |
| 03:32.55 | flyback | raid cards will get so much cooler and cheaper |
| 03:33.04 | jbevren | the pata cables are horrible, but pata's easier to hook to a microcontroller for now |
| 03:33.10 | flyback | yeah true |
| 03:33.20 | flyback | but microcontrollers don't need large size or speed sata |
| 03:33.26 | flyback | so you will always be able to get surplus pata |
| 03:33.30 | jbevren | and as long as CF stays in production, it'll support pata hehe |
| 03:33.30 | flyback | or some embedded mode drive |
| 03:33.31 | flyback | :) |
| 03:33.46 | jbevren | makoda's pata :P |
| 03:33.50 | jbevren | 4x 400G drive |
| 03:33.50 | flyback | as long as I can get bu sbridges or converters |
| 03:33.52 | jbevren | 1x hotspare |
| 03:33.57 | jbevren | 1 6gig system disk |
| 03:33.58 | flyback | I could care less if the stuff dies off on mainstream pc's |
| 03:33.58 | jbevren | lol |
| 03:34.00 | flyback | and devices |
| 03:34.30 | flyback | I am one of those guys that says "as long as s*** works and I am happy" |
| 03:34.36 | jbevren | heh |
| 03:34.40 | jbevren | and when it doesnt, I"m certainly not |
| 03:34.41 | flyback | but I am cynical in my old age ;) |
| 03:34.51 | jbevren | I'm fairly upset about this seagate drive killing over |
| 03:34.52 | jbevren | :P |
| 03:34.59 | flyback | this PII 400 motherboard and cpu I resurrected seems to be in good shape |
| 03:35.15 | flyback | despite whatever chemical it was exposed to that eat half the zinc off all the drive shells and case |
| 03:35.28 | jbevren | within close proximity are a 250mhz embedded ppc, 60mhz ppc 601, p3/966, p3/1400, and dual p3/600 |
| 03:35.30 | flyback | do you fan the drives |
| 03:35.37 | jbevren | the 60mhz ppc is my bay networks switch ;-) |
| 03:35.40 | jbevren | yeah |
| 03:35.41 | flyback | nice |
| 03:35.44 | flyback | very nice |
| 03:35.52 | jbevren | guu's chassis has 3 120mm exhaust fans on the backside of the disk cage |
| 03:36.01 | jbevren | 3 92mm fans on the opposite end to cool the chassis |
| 03:36.05 | flyback | good :) |
| 03:36.09 | jbevren | and 2 80mm fans in the psu |
| 03:36.20 | flyback | even just one keeping air moving in the case is good |
| 03:36.26 | jbevren | heat's not a concern, this is datacenter equipment |
| 03:36.37 | jbevren | you can hear it through the floor though |
| 03:36.38 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:36.42 | flyback | :P |
| 03:36.57 | flyback | actually |
| 03:37.06 | flyback | I saw a thing on socket transplants a while back |
| 03:37.10 | flyback | I will find that article for you sometime |
| 03:37.14 | flyback | after you take it offline |
| 03:37.25 | jbevren | if I -wanted- to use the second socket, I'd stick one of my unused VRM wedges in it |
| 03:37.26 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:37.33 | flyback | ah |
| 03:37.40 | jbevren | the vrm wedge is for putting tualatins on these older boards |
| 03:37.55 | flyback | yeah I know :) |
| 03:38.01 | jbevren | it locks in using the zif socket, and has its own tabs for the heatsink |
| 03:38.03 | jbevren | cha-ching |
| 03:38.21 | jbevren | I used mine to put a p3/933 in a celeron/400 board |
| 03:38.26 | flyback | hehehe |
| 03:38.37 | jbevren | the 66mhz bus limited it to around 600mhz but it still rocked |
| 03:38.47 | flyback | I wanted to put my duron 1300 back together tonight |
| 03:38.53 | jbevren | heh |
| 03:38.53 | flyback | but I can't find a damn socket for the mb standoffs |
| 03:38.56 | flyback | this is lame |
| 03:38.57 | jbevren | solar furnaces those are |
| 03:39.01 | flyback | bah |
| 03:39.03 | jbevren | brb |
| 03:41.45 | jbevren | ahh betta |
| 03:41.51 | jbevren | no more standing on cement |
| 03:41.52 | jcrouse | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=African_Bush_Elephant&diff=66977490&oldid=66977393 |
| 03:42.26 | jcrouse | heh - Steven Colbert challenged the nation to put the "fact" that african elephants are trippling in population |
| 03:42.35 | jcrouse | Ain't wikipedia fun? |
| 03:48.46 | flyback | not even going to look |
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| 14:22.04 | jbevren | morning |
| 14:24.03 | prpplague | that it is |
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| 14:33.14 | prpplague | jbevren: hey |
| 14:33.24 | prpplague | jbevren: do me a favor, try to access the elinux.org wiki |
| 14:33.43 | jbevren | couldn\'t spawn child process: /home/groups/e/el/elinux/cgi-bin/moin.cgi |
| 14:34.38 | prpplague | keep hitting refresh and see if it comes up |
| 14:34.46 | jbevren | up |
| 14:35.54 | prpplague | hmm |
| 14:36.06 | prpplague | wonder whats causing that |
| 14:38.10 | jbevren | memory issues |
| 14:38.12 | jbevren | ulimits |
| 14:38.15 | jbevren | sf sucks |
| 14:38.17 | jbevren | or all three |
| 14:38.32 | jbevren | any sort of traffic stats for the site? |
| 14:40.07 | prpplague | http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=11520&ugn=elinux |
| 14:40.33 | jbevren | kinda high for this time of day |
| 14:41.15 | jbevren | for example, we've already beat yesterday's stats and its not even noon |
| 14:41.52 | prpplague | how you got that figured? |
| 14:42.04 | jbevren | http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=11520&ugn=elinux bottom (text) table |
| 14:42.13 | jbevren | oh |
| 14:42.17 | jbevren | I was misreading the table :P |
| 14:42.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:42.31 | prpplague | but that is odd though |
| 14:42.39 | jbevren | correcting it though, we're already at half our daily traffic from yesterday |
| 14:42.49 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:43.00 | prpplague | jbevren: i suspect those sf.net pages are the error pages |
| 14:43.25 | jbevren | sf.net's under attack or slashdotted |
| 14:43.29 | jbevren | http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=11520&ugn=elinux&mode=week&type=sfweb |
| 14:43.34 | jbevren | look at the traffic spike |
| 14:43.48 | jbevren | its only 30 atm, but it'll probably go higher |
| 14:44.02 | jbevren | oh thats just for us |
| 14:44.03 | jbevren | grumble |
| 14:44.08 | jbevren | misread again :) |
| 14:44.24 | jbevren | I concede :) |
| 14:44.33 | jbevren | last question, any way to look at the top referral URLs? |
| 14:46.01 | prpplague | i don't see one |
| 14:47.20 | jbevren | doh |
| 14:47.30 | jbevren | wanted to check for a site backtrack link hehe |
| 14:47.40 | jbevren | does the wiki itself have such a thing in its admin panel? |
| 14:48.04 | prpplague | jbevren: don't know, i'm not an admin |
| 14:48.09 | jbevren | ahh |
| 14:48.12 | jbevren | I blame tom :) |
| 14:48.19 | jbevren | you should be, he's gone often enough while youre here ;-) |
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| 16:27.09 | prpplague | ok, so going out to lunch today was not a good idea :( |
| 16:27.20 | jbevren | doh |
| 16:27.32 | CosmicPenguin | ugh |
| 16:28.47 | prpplague | ok, so i guess everyone knows....i'm white! which makes me part of the 4% of whites on the island, well today is emancipation day, its a holiday, so there are lots of people out drinking, and angry at white people :( |
| 16:29.06 | gandhijee | sucks to be white |
| 16:29.48 | chouimat | prpplague: you and I are member of the worse group of human: Straight White Men below 40 ... aka potential serial killer :( |
| 16:29.57 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:30.03 | jbevren | add more detail |
| 16:30.09 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:30.23 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.24 | agaffney | with kindness! |
| 16:30.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:30.56 | prpplague | yep |
| 16:31.15 | prpplague | i got verbally acosted three times so far today |
| 16:31.22 | agaffney | fun |
| 16:31.28 | agaffney | I hope it was a good lunch :P |
| 16:31.34 | prpplague | yea wasn't too bad |
| 16:31.35 | jbevren | just tell them that you refuse to be held responsible for others' actions :) |
| 16:31.40 | agaffney | indeed |
| 16:31.56 | chouimat | jbevren: I want to keep it large ... you know we need the SWMAM (Straight White Men Affirmation Movement) ok I definitly not PC today ... it's amaybe the fact I had to go to montreal later this week and it's currently the Outgames there ... |
| 16:32.03 | jbevren | I ran into a guy at college that was from Nagasaki |
| 16:32.17 | jbevren | he went off on me, and I replied with 'Did -I- bomb your city?" |
| 16:32.18 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:32.21 | agaffney | heh |
| 16:32.27 | prpplague | yea, told them i never have owned a slave, and that unlike their brethren in places like sudan, slavery has been gone for decades |
| 16:32.30 | jbevren | "I didnt. Go attack someone else." |
| 16:32.46 | jbevren | then I respecfully apologized that his home was destroyed hehe |
| 16:32.53 | agaffney | hehe |
| 16:33.14 | jbevren | the chances of me meeting someone from there.. boggles the mind |
| 16:34.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:34.37 | prpplague | jbevren: you ask him about all the POW's that had been tortured with stuff like poping their eye balls out of their sockets? |
| 16:34.54 | prpplague | or the batan death march? |
| 16:34.55 | chouimat | jbevren: there a lot of people like this nearby ... and they want Quebec to be independent ... they think the life was better before England conquered us in 1763 ... but they seems to forget that the reason that France had colonies if to make money ... and they also seem people from their colonie as second class citizen ... and if I say that in Quebec I get kill :) |
| 16:36.13 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:36.46 | prpplague | yea, people tend to forget important bits of history and tend to ignore lots of the bits of the present |
| 16:37.03 | agaffney | *cough* Bush *cough* |
| 16:37.15 | jbevren | chouimat: (humor attempt) the only part of canada that likes quebec is quebec iirc |
| 16:37.19 | chouimat | prpplague: and the reason why France lost this war was because Montcalm was a moron |
| 16:37.24 | jbevren | agaffney: dont bring him up |
| 16:37.24 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:37.30 | jbevren | I voted with the majority those years ago |
| 16:37.36 | jbevren | he's not my president |
| 16:37.40 | agaffney | heh |
| 16:37.48 | agaffney | I wasn't old enough to vote the first time |
| 16:37.53 | agaffney | and I registered too late the 2nd time |
| 16:38.02 | jbevren | chouimat: The reason France lost the war is .. have they ever won a war? |
| 16:38.11 | jbevren | I didnt vote the second time |
| 16:38.18 | jbevren | I learned the first time that my vote doesnt count |
| 16:38.30 | agaffney | I didn't really want to vote for Kerry, but I really didn't want to vote for Bush |
| 16:38.34 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe, i'm gonna avoid discussing politics and france, hehe |
| 16:38.35 | jbevren | I still cant believe you can sue your way into presidency |
| 16:38.48 | agaffney | jbevren: welcome to the US :P |
| 16:39.01 | jbevren | agaffney: welcoem to florida (governor: jeb bush(?)) |
| 16:39.15 | agaffney | yeah.... |
| 16:39.17 | chouimat | prpplague: he was on the top of the hill and he ordered his men to start shooting when the english was still out of range ... result the battle of the "Plaine D'abraham" was over in 30 minutes ... but they never sat this fact in Quebec history leasons :) |
| 16:39.18 | jbevren | that's the state that toggled, and gw's brother runs it |
| 16:39.22 | agaffney | I'm just glad that 2 terms in the limit |
| 16:39.28 | jbevren | oh, it's not |
| 16:39.34 | jbevren | not if bush declares national emergency |
| 16:39.56 | jbevren | declaring a state of national emergency enacts martial law nationwide and suspends all elections |
| 16:40.06 | chouimat | agaffney: sound like a "Anybody but Bush" choice ... |
| 16:40.07 | agaffney | if he pulls a stunt like that, he'll be assassinated within a week |
| 16:40.08 | jbevren | and honestly, I wouldnt put it past him :P |
| 16:40.12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ping |
| 16:40.14 | jbevren | anyway |
| 16:40.17 | jbevren | enough politics :) |
| 16:40.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pong |
| 16:40.21 | agaffney | although, Cheney would be killed first |
| 16:40.26 | agaffney | because nobody wants him as president either :P |
| 16:40.29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what do you know about the $(call) syntax? |
| 16:40.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: in what environment? |
| 16:40.57 | jbevren | I bet we'd end up with so many 767's headed offcourse that there'd be no stopping em |
| 16:41.11 | prpplague | ok, enough politics |
| 16:41.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: make - what else? |
| 16:41.15 | jbevren | prpplague: agreed |
| 16:41.18 | chouimat | agaffney: here your choice for 2008 http://www.zod2008.com/ |
| 16:41.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:41.22 | jbevren | had to spurt that one to wake the carnivore server up |
| 16:41.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just checking |
| 16:41.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just what i;ve learned by using busybox |
| 16:41.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whatcha needing to do? |
| 16:41.48 | CosmicPenguin | this is pissing me off |
| 16:41.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:41.56 | CosmicPenguin | I'm trying to figure out why the frickin call is getting called randomly |
| 16:41.58 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 16:42.15 | CosmicPenguin | double random since I just commented out the calls |
| 16:42.30 | prpplague | well thats interesting |
| 16:43.06 | prpplague | you sure that the makefile isn;t getting rebuilt after a make clean? |
| 16:44.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the $(call) is pretty straight forward, not a whole lot that could be the issue with the command syntax, more likely some odd dependency has got you caught |
| 16:44.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is the makefile in a subdir from a main makefile? |
| 16:47.22 | prpplague | chouimat: thats hilarious |
| 16:47.58 | prpplague | zod has my vote - "The treacherous Bolton; he is to be reported to authorities upon sight." |
| 16:49.11 | chouimat | prpplague: read the part about his healthcare program ... |
| 16:49.48 | prpplague | yea i did |
| 16:50.12 | prpplague | wtf is wrong with sf.net now |
| 16:50.21 | chouimat | prpplague: make a lot of sense ;) |
| 17:00.40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the problem is - the $call is being made before the rest of the target |
| 17:01.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and you have it commented out? |
| 17:01.43 | CosmicPenguin | well - not now |
| 17:01.50 | CosmicPenguin | Because I want the call to work |
| 17:02.18 | CosmicPenguin | check-rom-call = $(shell ( size=`du -b $(1) | cut -f1`; \ |
| 17:02.18 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.18 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.18 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.18 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.20 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the call |
| 17:02.32 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.32 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.32 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.32 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.33 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.35 | CosmicPenguin | And thats the target |
| 17:04.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok, first suggestion, do a shell script that performs the operation with args, i.e. romcheck.sh filename |
| 17:04.56 | CosmicPenguin | heh - thats no fun |
| 17:05.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: do that first and make sure it works |
| 17:05.06 | CosmicPenguin | The shell script works |
| 17:05.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok, now, call the shell script in the makefile |
| 17:05.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: see if that works |
| 17:05.40 | CosmicPenguin | The point being |
| 17:05.48 | CosmicPenguin | why is the call being made in parallel and not in series |
| 17:06.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh ok, so functionality wise, its working, but not being called in the right time? |
| 17:06.32 | CosmicPenguin | right |
| 17:07.06 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh - heh |
| 17:07.45 | CosmicPenguin | its resolving it when it gets defined |
| 17:07.46 | CosmicPenguin | thats the problem |
| 17:07.51 | prpplague | exactly |
| 17:07.55 | prpplague | thats what i was typing |
| 17:08.13 | CosmicPenguin | I don't want to make it a shell script though |
| 17:09.37 | CosmicPenguin | make sucks |
| 17:09.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:10.13 | prpplague | you can still execute it at the end like that |
| 17:10.28 | prpplague | you just need to list the commands there in the actual subsystem |
| 17:10.34 | CosmicPenguin | I was trying to save space |
| 17:10.39 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:10.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: do it as another make structure |
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| 17:11.51 | CosmicPenguin | nah - I did it as a shell script |
| 17:14.13 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 18:29.14 | jbevren | g2: random question.. how's the SLUG port going? |
| 18:29.19 | jbevren | I havent checked it for ages |
| 18:29.48 | [g2] | jbevren what's ages ? :) |
| 18:30.08 | [g2] | the SLUG movement is about 2 years old now :) |
| 18:30.34 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:30.39 | [g2] | I've had my own IXP42x hw for the last 10-11 months |
| 18:30.42 | jbevren | I last checked when it first came out |
| 18:31.53 | [g2] | jbevren I'd say it's in a mature state |
| 18:32.34 | [g2] | we've run on about 6-7 IXP platforms and several others |
| 18:32.57 | [g2] | and most of the kernel changes have gone upstream |
| 18:34.47 | jbevren | cool beans |
| 18:36.05 | chouimat | hmm this was a nice idea ... weat towel in front of the fan ... |
| 18:36.18 | jbevren | cooling the room? |
| 18:36.58 | chouimat | jbevren: currently 35C in ottawa ... 48C with humidity factor ... |
| 18:37.08 | jbevren | toast7 |
| 18:37.12 | jbevren | er, toasty |
| 18:37.16 | jbevren | it's light rain here |
| 18:37.20 | [g2] | ottawa is a pretty city |
| 18:41.34 | chouimat | jbevren: I have until tomorrow ... thursday will be a lot colder ... last night was horrible ... thunderstorm + power outage == no fan == can't sleep |
| 18:44.05 | chouimat | ok now time to debug this sound problem ... |
| 19:29.12 | flyback | well |
| 19:29.30 | flyback | the general consensus is that that $8 15 watt grounded radio shack iron isn't too bad :) |
| 19:29.57 | prpplague | i used them for years |
| 19:30.10 | prpplague | now i prefer the weller 12-watt |
| 19:31.03 | jbevren | weller 24watt temp controlled iron |
| 19:31.06 | jbevren | (/spoiled) |
| 19:31.23 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:31.44 | jbevren | hm |
| 19:31.49 | jbevren | all my 160 gig drives are out of warranty |
| 19:35.06 | prpplague | doh |
| 19:35.13 | jbevren | expired this spring hehe |
| 19:35.16 | jbevren | one's dead on the array |
| 19:35.16 | prpplague | i need to purchase a couple for all movies |
| 19:35.23 | jbevren | good thing I built a new raid box |
| 19:36.41 | jbevren | I might just be willing to admit that I have too many computers |
| 19:38.09 | jbevren | my sata's dont expire until 2011 yay |
| 19:41.51 | prpplague | anyone looked at the gameboy DS light? |
| 19:42.03 | prpplague | or should i say "lite" |
| 19:43.50 | jbevren | ive read from place to place that its superior |
| 19:43.52 | jbevren | I know little else |
| 19:46.23 | flyback | jbe |
| 19:46.27 | flyback | did you try repairing the drive |
| 19:46.41 | flyback | just in case it was the case of a corrupt sector and it just needs a psuedo-llf to map it out |
| 19:46.54 | jbevren | flyback: I havent even pulled the system apart |
| 19:47.03 | jbevren | in order to do so, I'll have to have Makoda ready for the swap-in |
| 19:47.27 | flyback | get mhdd |
| 19:47.32 | flyback | and read the forums |
| 19:47.33 | jbevren | mhdd? |
| 19:47.42 | jbevren | I somehow doubt that works through a 3ware |
| 19:47.44 | flyback | they even show you how to make a terminal adaptor lets you talk to the dsp over a serial port |
| 19:47.48 | flyback | for low level repair |
| 19:47.53 | flyback | no you will have to remove the canucked drive |
| 19:47.59 | flyback | but it's already removed anyways :P |
| 19:48.00 | jbevren | of course I will hehe |
| 19:48.03 | jbevren | no, it's not |
| 19:48.06 | jbevren | its in a block with 5 other disks |
| 19:48.14 | flyback | th raid didn't kick it out? |
| 19:48.27 | jbevren | did I mention that its physically attached to 5 others? |
| 19:48.33 | jbevren | oh, right, I did :P |
| 19:48.39 | jbevren | but yeah, the raid wont rebuild |
| 19:48.47 | flyback | uhh yeah but in raid dude if a drive goes screwy it gets kicked out |
| 19:49.00 | jbevren | uh yeah but its STILL PHYSICALLY ATTACHED |
| 19:49.10 | jbevren | if I shut the server down, I lose a large portion of my systems |
| 19:49.15 | jbevren | so I have to have makoda ready first |
| 19:49.18 | jbevren | (the replacement system) |
| 19:49.43 | flyback | that's what I mean doofus |
| 19:49.45 | flyback | when you swap |
| 19:49.51 | flyback | geez |
| 19:49.55 | jbevren | ah now you tell me ;) |
| 19:50.09 | flyback | actually |
| 19:50.13 | flyback | can't you just yank the drive now |
| 19:50.22 | flyback | I thought 3ware allows at least disconnect hot swap |
| 19:50.32 | jbevren | not without disturbing 5 others. The chassis is built so that you have to pull a drive cage out |
| 19:50.39 | jbevren | the controller would be ok, sure |
| 19:50.42 | flyback | ah |
| 19:50.46 | flyback | mhdd is pretty sweet :) |
| 19:50.51 | jbevren | but it's not possible to pull a drive without nontrivial disassembly |
| 19:51.30 | flyback | I have 2 maxtor hd's I am going to repair |
| 19:51.38 | flyback | the g-list bad sector list gets corrupt, it's a known issue |
| 19:51.41 | flyback | there is a firmware fix |
| 19:52.37 | flyback | th ultimate software is pc-3000 but that's $50000 |
| 19:52.39 | jbevren | flyback: looks like a good tool to put on a network-booted floppy image :) |
| 19:52.40 | flyback | err $5000 |
| 19:52.46 | flyback | already is on ubcd |
| 19:52.50 | flyback | and has it's own iso too |
| 19:52.51 | flyback | like 2 meg |
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| 21:09.06 | jbevren | syslinux's memdisk doesnt understand cd's :) |
| 21:09.12 | jbevren | so I'll use the 1.4M flopopy image |
| 21:09.33 | jbevren | this way, I can use any netboot box to do this |
| 21:09.36 | jbevren | no need for boot media ;-) |
| 21:09.44 | jbevren | I just need to locate my spare 160G drive |
| 21:09.47 | jbevren | forgot I have one |
| 21:12.35 | flyback | cool |
| 21:12.38 | flyback | enjoy :) |
| 21:12.51 | jbevren | either way, I'll poke at the mhdd thing |
| 21:12.54 | jbevren | eventually.. |
| 21:12.54 | jbevren | lol |
| 21:13.05 | jbevren | he should make a linux port:) |
| 21:13.45 | chouimat | mhdd? |
| 21:16.37 | jbevren | http://hddguru.com/content/en/software/2005.10.02-MHDD/ |
| 21:16.43 | jbevren | harddisk debugger |
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| 21:54.58 | prpplague | ach |
| 21:55.04 | prpplague | AMDPenguin: greetings |
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| 22:14.56 | prpplague | i really wish i could hack kernel source all day every day |
| 22:15.47 | CosmicPenguin | only two people in the world get paid to do that |
| 22:15.57 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 23:00.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you gonna continue working on OLPC? |
| 23:00.50 | CosmicPenguin | doubtful |
| 23:01.01 | CosmicPenguin | We'll see - I haven't left the building yet |
| 23:01.11 | CosmicPenguin | I need my ass kissed |
| 23:02.08 | CosmicPenguin | seriously - its time to see what I'm worth |
| 23:02.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:03.53 | prpplague | thats strangely reminesant of what stripper told me right before a booth dance |
| 23:04.01 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 23:05.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe you like peanut butter? |
| 23:06.16 | CosmicPenguin | Thats reminisant of what a stripper told *me* |
| 23:06.21 | CosmicPenguin | how strange |
| 23:06.22 | prpplague | HA |
| 23:06.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:06.43 | CosmicPenguin | "Things I've heard from a stripper" By David Anders |
| 23:07.02 | prpplague | i can do one of those books on demand from lulu.com |
| 23:08.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so... take 1 cup peanut butter, 3/4 cup honey, mix together, add, 1/2 cup of crushed corn flakes, mix well, pour on to a sheet of wax paper and roll into a log, put it in the freeze for 2 hours |
| 23:08.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when its chilled, just use a knife to cut a slice |
| 23:08.34 | prpplague | pretty darn good |
| 23:08.49 | CosmicPenguin | um |
| 23:08.53 | CosmicPenguin | yum even |
| 23:08.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:09.42 | CosmicPenguin | I wish I was more creative |
| 23:24.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'd like to see a good laptop based on the samsung s3c24xx series |
| 23:26.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my brother has a book up on lulu.com |
| 23:26.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he's sold about 1000 copies |
| 23:27.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.plumeria101.com/ |
| 23:30.34 | CosmicPenguin | I see |
| 23:31.28 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:31.29 | CosmicPenguin | timmorrow is RIF day at AMD |
| 23:31.38 | prpplague | RIF? |
| 23:32.04 | prpplague | Rectal Insertion Force day? |
| 23:32.26 | CosmicPenguin | reduction in force |
| 23:32.32 | CosmicPenguin | seesh - don't you read Dilbert? |
| 23:32.47 | prpplague | hehe, no not very often |
| 23:33.59 | prpplague | i hate when i don't have time to work on the things i want learn about |
| 23:34.18 | prpplague | i really have got to spend some time learning about the new spi subsystem |
| 23:36.21 | CosmicPenguin | man - I need motivation |
| 23:36.26 | CosmicPenguin | I need to go home and do nothing |
| 23:36.30 | CosmicPenguin | absolutely nothing |
| 23:47.33 | flyback | someone hit me |
| 23:47.50 | flyback | I spent the last 4 days fighting with these canucking brass motherboard standoffs |
| 23:47.58 | flyback | shredded metal everywhere had to rewash teh case |
| 23:48.06 | flyback | couldn't tighten them cause of weird size |
| 23:48.15 | flyback | and here I had a ton on all my old unused AT cases |