| 00:28.17 | youam | anyone here using qemu to emulate an arm system? it does not seem to do anything here; it just fails into the qemu-console (where i can not enter anything) and consume 100% cpu in a SIGALRM-loop |
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| 02:09.33 | agaffney | what lcd? |
| 02:11.26 | sorphin | agaffney: the one i just bought from worst buy for $199 no tax |
| 02:11.35 | sorphin | 19" samsung, 700:1, 8ms |
| 02:11.46 | agaffney | LCD or TFT? |
| 02:11.51 | sorphin | TFT |
| 02:11.59 | agaffney | I've got a 17" TFT and I love it |
| 02:12.09 | sorphin | only thing i'm noticing.. least under doze |
| 02:12.13 | agaffney | I've got a 17" CRT next to it, and it just looks blurry in comparison |
| 02:12.18 | sorphin | tho i noticed it on CRTs before |
| 02:12.30 | agaffney | the CRT, that is |
| 02:12.34 | sorphin | is 'ghosting' (or rather non dark shadowing after everything) |
| 02:12.38 | sorphin | not moving stuff |
| 02:12.54 | agaffney | that's usually due to a crappy VGA cable |
| 02:13.03 | sorphin | well, my KVM can't do dvi |
| 02:13.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:13.18 | sorphin | the windows video card and the mac mini can though |
| 02:13.31 | sorphin | i'd have to tie their video outside of the kvm |
| 02:13.35 | agaffney | ah, yeah, the VGA cables that come with KVMs generally aren't the best quality :P |
| 02:13.44 | sorphin | this came with the tft |
| 02:13.45 | sorphin | lol |
| 02:13.54 | agaffney | try hooking it up direct |
| 02:13.55 | sorphin | when i display a gray image |
| 02:13.58 | sorphin | very very noisy |
| 02:14.10 | sorphin | one thing that helped me a lot |
| 02:14.14 | sorphin | turned on cleartype :P |
| 02:14.19 | sorphin | gawd what a change |
| 02:14.24 | agaffney | cleartype? |
| 02:14.50 | sorphin | windows thing for LCDs, it cleans up the fonts a bit |
| 02:14.53 | agaffney | why does windows have to suck so much? |
| 02:14.54 | sorphin | less rough looking |
| 02:15.28 | agaffney | a 802.11b PCMCIA card that works fine in my old thinkpad in linux is causing bluescreens and lockups in win2k on my wife's laptop |
| 02:15.31 | sorphin | agaffney: well, unfortunately, despite the reinstall, crap is 2x slower than it used to be.. and i can't get away from doze for a lot of things.. |
| 02:15.36 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:15.56 | agaffney | I'm giving her the card since I just got a newer laptop with builtin wireless |
| 02:16.01 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:16.12 | MonMotha | sorphin: I find that on less than 1600x1200 LCDs, cleartype hurts as much as it helps |
| 02:16.25 | agaffney | Athlon XP mobile, 512MB memory, 40GB HD, $400 |
| 02:16.31 | MonMotha | at 1600x1200, it does improve things. Also depends on how good your LCD is, of course |
| 02:16.35 | agaffney | cpu is 1.6GHz |
| 02:16.38 | agaffney | decent little laptop |
| 02:16.47 | sorphin | MonMotha: it helped quite a bit at 1280x1024 |
| 02:16.54 | sorphin | much nicer looking |
| 02:17.07 | agaffney | my TFT's native res is 1280x1024 |
| 02:17.13 | sorphin | i like that the tft will auto adjust itself |
| 02:17.14 | agaffney | and it looks quite good under linux |
| 02:17.17 | sorphin | to the analog singla |
| 02:17.19 | sorphin | signal |
| 02:17.26 | sorphin | so no adjusting to fit stuff on screen |
| 02:17.42 | sorphin | agaffney: that's odd for a 17" but ok |
| 02:17.45 | agaffney | most panels have an auto-adjust feature |
| 02:18.14 | agaffney | sorphin: what's odd? |
| 02:18.35 | sorphin | 1280x1024 on such a small tft, that's the native of my 19 |
| 02:18.43 | sorphin | what's amusing though |
| 02:18.46 | sorphin | my CRT |
| 02:18.48 | sorphin | viewable |
| 02:18.52 | agaffney | 17" isn't really "small" |
| 02:18.53 | sorphin | 19.5" |
| 02:18.56 | sorphin | my tft |
| 02:19.03 | sorphin | 19" viewable |
| 02:19.06 | sorphin | and my CRT |
| 02:19.09 | sorphin | was a 21" :P |
| 02:19.11 | sorphin | lol |
| 02:19.13 | agaffney | heh |
| 02:19.16 | sorphin | what a rip |
| 02:19.28 | sorphin | i'm glad tft prices have came down |
| 02:19.37 | sorphin | though $90 off the price of this puppy helped |
| 02:19.53 | sorphin | else i wouldn't have bought it |
| 02:19.54 | agaffney | I'd like toget another 17" to replace this CRT for my 2nd head |
| 02:20.13 | agaffney | I've been doing dual head for years |
| 02:20.19 | sorphin | no adjusting |
| 02:20.22 | sorphin | windows of course |
| 02:20.25 | sorphin | had to be adjusted |
| 02:20.27 | sorphin | hehe |
| 02:20.29 | agaffney | heh |
| 02:20.32 | agaffney | go figure :P |
| 02:20.43 | sorphin | best part |
| 02:20.44 | sorphin | no |
| 02:20.47 | sorphin | dead pixels |
| 02:20.48 | sorphin | :) |
| 02:20.59 | agaffney | my TFT doesn't have any, either |
| 02:21.03 | agaffney | and it was a fairly cheap one |
| 02:21.11 | sorphin | the cheapie at BB |
| 02:21.11 | agaffney | and I've had it 1.5+ years |
| 02:21.13 | sorphin | was $159 |
| 02:21.19 | sorphin | "Westinghouse" |
| 02:21.20 | agaffney | I got this one as a gift |
| 02:21.22 | sorphin | 500:1 |
| 02:21.23 | sorphin | 10ms |
| 02:22.15 | agaffney | bleh |
| 02:22.25 | sorphin | well, i missed closing |
| 02:22.34 | sorphin | and that was the only way to get tax free after that |
| 02:23.40 | sorphin | hows your screen do on games, etc ? |
| 02:23.56 | agaffney | dunno...I don't really play games :P |
| 02:24.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:24.34 | sorphin | video? |
| 02:24.56 | agaffney | works fine for video |
| 02:25.18 | agaffney | I've never seen any weird visual artifacts |
| 02:25.24 | agaffney | that would be from slow refresh |
| 02:26.25 | sorphin | right |
| 02:26.38 | sorphin | i debated on getting this for hours last night :P |
| 02:26.38 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:27.42 | agaffney | heh |
| 02:27.45 | sorphin | dunno what i'll do with my EPC acquired CRT now |
| 02:27.57 | agaffney | did you hit the sale over the weekend? |
| 02:28.04 | agaffney | I got 5 SCA drives for $32 |
| 02:28.07 | sorphin | too late to take it back (been a few months now) |
| 02:28.08 | sorphin | nope |
| 02:28.09 | sorphin | didn't |
| 02:28.09 | agaffney | 3 18GB and 2 9GB |
| 02:28.12 | sorphin | thoguht about it |
| 02:28.20 | sorphin | but decided nothing there i'd want |
| 02:28.40 | agaffney | I really went just for the drives |
| 02:28.49 | agaffney | now I just need some drive sleds for the Octane |
| 02:28.49 | sorphin | had to replace the psu in one of the 2u cases i got from them |
| 02:28.58 | sorphin | and this IBM crt |
| 02:28.59 | sorphin | sucks |
| 02:29.06 | sorphin | can't balance brightness for squat |
| 02:29.11 | sorphin | waste of money |
| 02:29.24 | agaffney | most of their stuff *is* used |
| 02:29.25 | sorphin | diff sleds than the I2 i'm guessing |
| 02:29.28 | sorphin | right |
| 02:29.32 | sorphin | my Sun monitor |
| 02:29.33 | sorphin | was used |
| 02:29.35 | agaffney | and they do have a 30-day guarantee |
| 02:29.44 | agaffney | sorphin: no idea if the sleds are different |
| 02:29.50 | sorphin | we |
| 02:29.51 | sorphin | well |
| 02:29.52 | sorphin | if they aren't |
| 02:29.55 | sorphin | i have a spare |
| 02:30.11 | sorphin | you'd have to do what i did |
| 02:30.17 | sorphin | SCA->adapter->sled |
| 02:30.40 | agaffney | Octane takes SCA directly |
| 02:30.43 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:30.45 | sorphin | nevermind then |
| 02:30.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:31.01 | sorphin | never did look what the I2 sleds have on the back |
| 02:31.07 | sorphin | could very well be SCA |
| 02:31.08 | sorphin | lol |
| 02:31.16 | sorphin | well, i'm in text mode under linux atm |
| 02:31.20 | sorphin | pretty clear |
| 02:33.49 | sorphin | my only real gripe |
| 02:33.54 | sorphin | is that i had to drop in resolution |
| 02:34.16 | sorphin | but i'll live, i used a 17" for a long time, so i used this res for a long time |
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| 02:36.33 | [sorphin] | grr |
| 02:36.40 | [sorphin] | stupid anti-spam crap |
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| 02:41.22 | agaffney | umm, ok |
| 02:41.26 | agaffney | what was that all about? :P |
| 02:41.45 | sorphin | what? my switcharoo? |
| 02:42.04 | sorphin | not running under screen and freelode wouldn't let me /msg you 'unidentified' |
| 02:56.35 | agaffney | ah |
| 02:56.56 | sorphin | ifeel like i'm in front of a laptop, but not |
| 02:56.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:57.03 | agaffney | heh |
| 02:57.22 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:57.50 | agaffney | I'm setting it up so that clients with known MACs get a 192.168.0.x IP and unknown clients get 192.168.1.x |
| 02:58.03 | agaffney | and I'll have some nice iptables "fun" for the latter :P |
| 02:58.13 | agaffney | and not allow traffic between the subnets |
| 02:58.17 | agaffney | so people can use my AP |
| 02:58.22 | agaffney | but not get at my stuff |
| 02:58.24 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:58.40 | MonMotha | you know, it's trivial to change your IP address... |
| 02:58.44 | agaffney | but they'll have to deal with some crap to use my AP :P |
| 02:58.57 | agaffney | MonMotha: I'm also gonna do some filtering based on MAC with iptables |
| 02:59.08 | MonMotha | you know, it's trivial to change your MAC address... |
| 02:59.20 | agaffney | and in that case, they can get around the current mac filtering |
| 02:59.25 | MonMotha | true |
| 02:59.33 | sorphin | well |
| 02:59.33 | agaffney | and if they can do that, more power to them :P |
| 02:59.35 | MonMotha | I run my AP open, but the only thing you can do is SSH to my server |
| 02:59.38 | sorphin | they'd have to know an allowed mac |
| 02:59.42 | agaffney | right |
| 02:59.45 | MonMotha | sorphin: so sniff one off the wire |
| 02:59.47 | agaffney | my current config is "open" |
| 02:59.48 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:59.51 | agaffney | but I use mac filtering |
| 02:59.53 | MonMotha | s/wire/air/ |
| 03:00.00 | MonMotha | purl: go to hell |
| 03:00.02 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, go to hell is a song |
| 03:00.12 | MonMotha | ~botsmack |
| 03:00.14 | purl | OWW! |
| 03:00.25 | sorphin | only way the damn PSP can talk to it |
| 03:00.31 | sorphin | and using mac filtering |
| 03:00.35 | MonMotha | mine is wide open, but you can't do anything on it without establishing an SSH connection :) |
| 03:00.38 | sorphin | won't sniff me though |
| 03:00.44 | MonMotha | well, SSID broadcast is turned off |
| 03:00.47 | sorphin | unless you're on my porch or closer |
| 03:00.48 | sorphin | ditto |
| 03:00.56 | agaffney | yeah, no SSID broadcast here |
| 03:01.06 | MonMotha | I wish you could change the spreading code |
| 03:01.07 | agaffney | although, I might turn it back on after I get this setup |
| 03:01.08 | MonMotha | that would be awesome |
| 03:01.11 | sorphin | what i hate is having to turn that on |
| 03:01.20 | sorphin | just so a device can know there is wireless |
| 03:01.42 | MonMotha | Windows is bad about that |
| 03:01.52 | sorphin | MonMotha: the prob is the stupid PSP can't handle 128bit (it can encrypt with it), but it can't handle it otherwise |
| 03:02.21 | MonMotha | wow, that is bad |
| 03:02.35 | MonMotha | 128 bit WEP is bad enough, old WEP is pathetic |
| 03:02.42 | sorphin | well |
| 03:02.45 | sorphin | it can do WPA |
| 03:02.52 | sorphin | but most of my other crap can't |
| 03:02.53 | sorphin | so... |
| 03:02.55 | MonMotha | ah |
| 03:02.56 | agaffney | I don't bother with WEP because I don't care if people sniff my traffic |
| 03:03.01 | agaffney | nothing meaningful goes over wireless |
| 03:03.13 | MonMotha | WEP just slows things down. That's why I use a higher level VPN |
| 03:03.17 | sorphin | well |
| 03:03.23 | sorphin | only times my wireless is even used |
| 03:03.27 | sorphin | is when missy's using it |
| 03:03.30 | sorphin | the psp is using it now |
| 03:03.33 | sorphin | or i'm oncall |
| 03:03.39 | sorphin | and have to vpn into work |
| 03:04.36 | sorphin | but seeing as i work in security |
| 03:04.42 | sorphin | i like to do as much as i can |
| 03:09.16 | sorphin | agaffney: the price kept going up as i bid o nthat dimm |
| 03:09.41 | sorphin | so some moron now gets to pay (not me) $18 (including shipping) for an unknown dimm and an unknown if working dimm |
| 03:09.42 | sorphin | lol |
| 03:10.49 | agaffney | heh |
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| 11:27.46 | prpplague | ugh, have 5 pints of Royal Extra Stout, and let me tell ya, it royally knocked me on my ass |
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| 12:32.19 | chouimat | morning |
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| 12:52.15 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 12:53.01 | prpplague | ok, so new rule, don't drink a 7% alcohol beer on an empty stomach |
| 12:53.29 | jbevren | Livers are evil and must be punished! |
| 12:54.06 | chouimat | jbevren: hehe |
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| 12:55.45 | prpplague | i normally cna handle my brew, but darn if it didn't knock me loopy yesterday |
| 12:56.55 | jbevren | heh |
| 12:57.01 | jbevren | one needs to do that on onccasion though |
| 13:05.34 | prpplague | got a ton of work to do today |
| 13:15.54 | prpplague | http://www.whiteboxrobotics.com/2005/PCBOTS/index.htm |
| 13:16.08 | prpplague | does anyone see close up photos of the devices on that page? |
| 13:16.10 | prpplague | i don't |
| 13:17.54 | jbevren | just those at the top |
| 13:58.04 | jbevren | who would run a bot on a mini-itx board |
| 13:58.11 | jbevren | other than windows lusers |
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| 14:27.41 | sorphin | heh |
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| 14:34.07 | prpplague | jbevren: i wonder why they have no detailed pictures |
| 14:34.31 | prpplague | jbevren: if it were me, i'd want a gallery section with lots of photos |
| 14:34.48 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:35.08 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe, don't feel bad, i'm still shaking off that royal extra i had last night |
| 14:35.26 | sorphin | prpplague: lush! |
| 14:35.28 | sorphin | ;) |
| 14:35.33 | chouimat | prpplague: it's not phsycial tiredness ... |
| 14:35.50 | prpplague | sorphin: yea i know, i normally can handle my booze, but dang...... |
| 14:36.05 | jbevren | prpplague: maybe the product doesnt exist yet |
| 14:36.15 | sorphin | prpplague: well, next time don't chase it w/ a quart of vodka :P |
| 14:36.16 | sorphin | lol |
| 14:36.20 | chouimat | prpplague: read this and you will understand http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2229 |
| 14:36.40 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, naw, this stuff is 7% and i drank it on an empty stomach |
| 14:37.46 | sorphin | ah |
| 14:38.46 | prpplague | chouimat: fun fun fun |
| 14:38.56 | chouimat | prpplague: you know you should only drink guinness on an empty stomach ... |
| 14:39.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:39.19 | chouimat | prpplague: yup ... but I'm still wondering why I fell down about number #3 :) |
| 14:39.35 | prpplague | chouimat: probably because the first 2 put you in a pissy mood |
| 14:40.17 | chouimat | prpplague: the second one was ... unexpected and unwelcome :) |
| 14:40.32 | prpplague | i find programmers/developers are far more prone to depression and "the blues" that most other people |
| 14:40.43 | prpplague | in the same area with artists and such |
| 14:41.41 | chouimat | prpplague: true ... and we should all get lobotomise ... that way we will stop thinking :) |
| 14:43.34 | chouimat | mmmm fresh roasted coffee ... |
| 14:48.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:49.28 | sorphin | s/choimat/chouimat/ |
| 14:49.35 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:49.36 | jbevren | well |
| 14:49.42 | prpplague | wow we still get tons of hits on the elinux.org pages for the juicebox |
| 14:49.44 | jbevren | it could be worse |
| 14:49.46 | jbevren | he -could- be coding gnome |
| 14:49.56 | sorphin | jbevren: and ? |
| 14:50.22 | jbevren | if its one or the other, I'd rather see kde get the dev attention. It has Real Applications |
| 14:50.25 | sorphin | jbevren: i don't see how that could be worse than KDE :) |
| 14:50.31 | sorphin | uh huh |
| 14:50.56 | gandhijee | whats wrong with gnome? |
| 14:51.06 | sorphin | oh.. that's right.. nothing :) |
| 14:51.29 | prpplague | ~seen JoeBleau |
| 14:51.41 | purl | i haven't seen 'joebleau', prpplague |
| 14:51.41 | sorphin | jbevren's just mad because he's got 5000 tickets to work today ;) |
| 14:51.42 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:52.10 | jbevren | sorphin: I do however many I like, my contract only requires two/day |
| 14:52.19 | jbevren | there's no goal written anywhere heh |
| 14:52.36 | jbevren | 'tickets' is the goal used, which implies two or more. |
| 14:53.18 | jbevren | aww man |
| 14:53.26 | jbevren | you tease chou and he's not even online |
| 14:53.27 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:53.47 | prpplague | hey, someone has got linux-arm.com setup with a wiki |
| 14:53.48 | prpplague | http://www.linux-arm.com/ |
| 14:54.20 | gandhijee | sweet, maybe if i am lucky there is something there about x-compiling php for arm there |
| 14:57.38 | jbevren | php blows. use a real scripting language like visual basic |
| 14:58.08 | gandhijee | rofl |
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| 15:01.09 | prpplague | davidc__: hey hey |
| 15:01.24 | prpplague | jbevren: can you pull up linux-arm.com ? |
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| 15:01.58 | sorphin | jbevren: lol, then why do you freak out so much? |
| 15:02.14 | jbevren | sorphin: because my client is a child |
| 15:02.31 | jbevren | linux-arm.com has address 193.131.176.218 |
| 15:02.31 | jbevren | linux-arm.com mail is handled by 10 cluster-e.mailcontrol.com. |
| 15:02.31 | jbevren | linux-arm.com mail is handled by 10 cluster-d.mailcontrol.com. |
| 15:02.32 | sorphin | well, then next time, they need to actually read the contract |
| 15:02.33 | jbevren | np |
| 15:02.34 | sorphin | lol |
| 15:02.47 | jbevren | sorphin: Ive taken to ignoring them |
| 15:02.51 | sorphin | good |
| 15:02.57 | prpplague | jbevren: so you were able to access the page? |
| 15:03.04 | jbevren | I'm browsing the wiki atm |
| 15:03.10 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:03.20 | prpplague | wonder if they thought i was a spammer and blocked me |
| 15:03.34 | prpplague | i tried to register and got the "picture code" wrong |
| 15:04.14 | prpplague | interesting |
| 15:04.21 | prpplague | i can't get it to pull up now |
| 15:04.29 | jbevren | that'll be their loss |
| 15:07.31 | jbevren | hm |
| 15:07.36 | jbevren | they list uboot and redboot, but not apex |
| 15:07.48 | prpplague | yea, thats what i was gonna add |
| 15:08.24 | jbevren | linux-arm-webmaster@linux-arm.org is their feedback address |
| 15:08.39 | jbevren | might want to mail them about their gestapo block against your IP heh |
| 15:08.51 | jbevren | brb |
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| 15:11.11 | davidc__ | morning prpplague |
| 15:12.34 | prpplague | i'm beginning to wonder if the register process is borked |
| 15:13.34 | prpplague | davidc__: as to your query yesterday, i trust your judgement on invitations |
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| 15:14.53 | chouimat | grrr |
| 15:17.49 | chouimat | prpplague: I just did something I should have done months ago ... plug the sound system :) |
| 15:23.18 | prpplague | jbevren: bootloaders has been updated |
| 15:23.38 | chouimat | ok back to cleaning the apartment |
| 15:24.22 | jbevren | prpplague: nod |
| 15:27.09 | prpplague | jbevren: wonder how long they've been up |
| 15:27.19 | prpplague | jbevren: i don;t see anything about jtag |
| 15:30.13 | jbevren | Is it as good as the original? |
| 15:30.16 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, was pretty good? |
| 15:30.25 | sorphin | even missy couldn't stop laughing |
| 15:30.43 | sorphin | definately no kids allowed though |
| 15:30.46 | prpplague | hehe, fat chance of seeing clerks2 in barbados, hehe |
| 15:30.49 | sorphin | very raunchy |
| 15:32.18 | prpplague | sorphin: yea the church has alot of power here, so i doubt we'll see it here |
| 15:33.03 | prpplague | da vinci code and brokeback mt. we banned here |
| 15:33.51 | ohsix | do they burn books too? :) |
| 15:34.05 | chouimat | ohsix: nah that only in southern usa :) |
| 15:34.12 | sorphin | lol |
| 15:34.20 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, its so funny, i keep forgetting things close all day sunday here, i went to the mall on sunday, hehe, it was closed |
| 15:34.33 | sorphin | prpplague: you're the one that moved there dude ;) |
| 15:34.34 | sorphin | hehe |
| 15:34.45 | prpplague | sorphin: not like i had a choice |
| 15:34.57 | prpplague | sorphin: granted i tried to make the best of it |
| 15:38.32 | prpplague | http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/08/news/economy/oil_infrastructure/index.htm?cnn=yes |
| 15:38.42 | chouimat | prpplague: I spent 3 months on an island once ... and it was time I left ... granted it was montreal island but ... |
| 15:38.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:39.07 | sorphin | prpplague: i don't see how you didn't have a 'choice', you weren't hauled off there by federal marshalls |
| 15:39.23 | prpplague | sorphin: no, but my wife was told to leave |
| 15:39.37 | prpplague | sorphin: not like i was gonna let her go without me |
| 15:40.40 | chouimat | prpplague: I see you're well trained ;) |
| 15:40.49 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 15:41.45 | chouimat | prpplague: it's funny how doing something stupid like "pluging the sound system" help for one mood |
| 15:42.37 | prpplague | chouimat: "pluging the sound system" ? |
| 15:43.25 | chouimat | prpplague: when I moved 2 years ago ... I told myself I will plug it later ... |
| 15:52.26 | prpplague | chouimat: ?? do you mean "plug it in" or "plug it together" ? |
| 15:53.18 | chouimat | prpplague: both :) |
| 15:53.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:53.54 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe, in texas if you "plug" something, it usually means to shoot it, hehe |
| 15:55.28 | chouimat | prpplague: I see ... weird people :) |
| 16:37.08 | prpplague | oh btw |
| 16:37.34 | prpplague | has anyone notice a Tux painted on the wall for the "everyone hates chris" commercials? |
| 16:42.26 | prpplague | i'm about 99% sure its a linux tux |
| 16:50.24 | prpplague | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207445,00.html |
| 16:50.27 | prpplague | interesting |
| 16:50.50 | prpplague | i wonder how sony can claim "first of its kind" with the zipit being around for several years now |
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| 16:52.38 | prpplague | Isenbeck: re |
| 17:00.15 | jbevren | prpplague: that looks like the game/keyboard/IM cellphones |
| 17:00.29 | jbevren | looks kinda cool |
| 17:06.42 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, tilly you see the price tag |
| 17:11.17 | jbevren | I never said I'd pay for one :) |
| 17:11.25 | jbevren | I didnt catch a MSRP. |
| 17:12.00 | prpplague | hmm i thought it said $300 |
| 17:12.18 | prpplague | slated for availability in September at a retail price of about $350 |
| 17:14.36 | jbevren | ow. |
| 17:14.41 | jbevren | dev boards arent much more hehe |
| 17:15.26 | prpplague | i wonder what proc it has |
| 17:20.28 | chouimat|nap | prpplague: thanks ... |
| 17:20.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:21.01 | prpplague | the linux-arm.org site seems to be on the same track as what we are doing on elinux.org |
| 17:21.15 | prpplague | but their documentation is still pretty light |
| 17:22.56 | jbevren | ah |
| 17:23.35 | prpplague | ahh its sponsored by arm ltd |
| 17:37.58 | gandhijee | why not just buy a nokia 770 for that price? |
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| 17:53.06 | jbevren | good point ;-) |
| 17:53.13 | jbevren | the 770's $350ish? |
| 17:53.48 | gandhijee | i think its actually like 300 now |
| 17:54.23 | gandhijee | like 360 |
| 17:54.30 | gandhijee | thats nokia's MSRP |
| 18:22.06 | jbevren | hm |
| 18:22.10 | jbevren | moment of confusion, |
| 18:22.22 | jbevren | I thought the bitfield for sd/mmc only allowed for 2G worth of sectors |
| 18:39.14 | CosmicPenguin | jbevren: technically it goes up to 4G but the spec only allows for 2G |
| 18:42.39 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:49.23 | CosmicPenguin | jbevren: many chip makers will go to 4G becuase people are stupid |
| 18:51.01 | prpplague | i really wish some of the sdio manufacturers will get a clue and post some datasheets |
| 18:51.08 | jbevren | so you buy a 4G card and can only access 2G of it? |
| 18:51.42 | jbevren | prpplague: apparently SDIO requires licensing |
| 18:52.06 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, but they just released enough specs to do somethings with it |
| 18:52.23 | prpplague | jbevren: problems is none of the car manufacturers are release their specs |
| 18:53.07 | jbevren | heh card you mean. I was thinking 'wtf? car?' |
| 18:53.20 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:55.10 | prpplague | jbevren: like those cheap sdio wireless cards at softwareandstuff.com |
| 18:55.30 | prpplague | jbevren: if i had the time i'd get some of those and see if could reverse engineering the protocol |
| 18:55.46 | jbevren | nod |
| 18:55.53 | jbevren | hm |
| 18:55.55 | jbevren | m505 lcd |
| 18:56.04 | prpplague | jbevren: ?? |
| 18:56.26 | jbevren | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CES10717 |
| 18:56.31 | jbevren | palm m505 lcd replacement |
| 18:56.32 | jbevren | $25 |
| 18:56.54 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh yea |
| 18:57.02 | prpplague | jbevren: thought about ordering some of those as well |
| 18:57.51 | jbevren | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=IMG10093 <- or that? |
| 18:57.56 | jbevren | sdio camera hehe |
| 18:59.08 | CosmicPenguin | jbevren: no - you can access all 4G |
| 18:59.23 | CosmicPenguin | The bitfield goes up to 4G even though the spec only calls out 2G |
| 18:59.29 | jbevren | ohhh |
| 18:59.41 | CosmicPenguin | jbevren: so technically, 4G cards are out of spec - for 1.1, at least |
| 18:59.44 | jbevren | they operate on the assumption that the next bit will be used for another sector bit |
| 18:59.54 | prpplague | jbevren: nice, you probably could rip the camera out and using it in other stuff |
| 19:00.18 | jbevren | prpplague: they should make it act as a sd/mmc flash disk and dump jpg photos on click |
| 19:00.19 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:00.27 | prpplague | hmm, i wonder what would be a good way to snoop that |
| 19:00.55 | jbevren | I'd guess it's not going to be run in SPI mode |
| 19:01.12 | prpplague | yea i doubt it would be in spi mode |
| 19:01.37 | prpplague | i think i'll order a couple of those next time i place an order |
| 19:01.59 | CosmicPenguin | how is it that people can bd paid so much but yet be so stupid? |
| 19:02.14 | prpplague | davidc__: hehe, maybe it has the same camera as the sparkfun camera |
| 19:02.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: one of those great mysteries of the world |
| 19:03.23 | prpplague | jbevren: hey did you ever crack open one of those kodak ones to see what the ccd was? |
| 19:03.24 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: I dont know, but I know at least one person that's that way |
| 19:03.36 | jbevren | prpplague: I did. I told you about it too ;-) |
| 19:03.47 | prpplague | jbevren: oh, must have slept since then |
| 19:03.51 | jbevren | haha |
| 19:03.52 | jbevren | probably |
| 19:03.58 | prpplague | jbevren: generic kodak module on pcb? |
| 19:04.09 | jbevren | I think it would be more interesting to work with it via rs232 |
| 19:04.31 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, i'm just interested in learning about the camera interfaces |
| 19:04.37 | jbevren | nod |
| 19:04.59 | jbevren | prpplague: where's the sdio wifi on that site? |
| 19:05.38 | prpplague | jbevren: thats what i was looking for, i don't see it anymore |
| 19:06.07 | jbevren | doh |
| 19:06.19 | prpplague | let me check geeks.com |
| 19:06.39 | prpplague | ahh it was on geeks.com |
| 19:07.09 | prpplague | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=S2Y-SDIOWLAN-11B&cpc=SCH |
| 19:07.23 | jbevren | ah, that one. |
| 19:07.41 | jbevren | makes me wish my gp2x had two sdio slots :) |
| 19:07.50 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:08.00 | prpplague | jbevren: not like you could use it anyway |
| 19:08.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:09.21 | prpplague | jbevren: i wonder what chipset they are based on |
| 19:09.33 | prpplague | jbevren: it would be interesting to get a copy of the driver and do a strings on it |
| 19:10.10 | CosmicPenguin | Doubtful it would be an GPL violation - there are no SDIO drivers to cheat from |
| 19:10.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 19:13.13 | jbevren | dang thing is brandless |
| 19:13.16 | jbevren | how'd you find the site? hehe |
| 19:15.57 | prpplague | jbevren: appears to be an ambicom product |
| 19:16.18 | jbevren | so is that good or bad :) |
| 19:16.34 | prpplague | hehe don't know, just looking at the drivers now |
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| 19:17.45 | prpplague | interesting....... |
| 19:17.54 | prpplague | several references in the driver to Maxim IC |
| 19:18.15 | prpplague | hmm, and acx100 |
| 19:18.45 | chouimat | prpplague: the ultimate beer glass?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel's_Horn |
| 19:19.20 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:22.57 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.03 | jbevren | wtf |
| 19:23.08 | flyback | and who told you boobs about this weeks ago |
| 19:23.09 | flyback | :P |
| 19:23.27 | flyback | that's ok, I shouldn't procreate anyways |
| 19:23.35 | jbevren | remember who said that |
| 19:23.36 | jbevren | :) |
| 19:30.51 | CosmicPenguin | if you post a hundred URLS a day - youre bound to come up on something interesting |
| 19:30.56 | CosmicPenguin | the problem is, the other 99 are just crap |
| 19:31.49 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.11 | jbevren | "WOLF!" said the little boy, and he stared in fear as everyone ignored his desparate cries. |
| 19:36.49 | prpplague | hmm i hate these .exe files they ship |
| 19:36.58 | jbevren | hit it with cabextract |
| 19:37.03 | jbevren | you never know :) |
| 19:37.14 | prpplague | jbevren: i think these are using install shield |
| 19:37.21 | jbevren | hmm |
| 19:37.25 | jbevren | isnt there an installshield devkit for liux? |
| 19:37.28 | davidc__ | prpplague: which cam? |
| 19:37.29 | prpplague | hehe it worked |
| 19:37.30 | prpplague | thanks |
| 19:37.32 | jbevren | s/iu/inu/ |
| 19:37.43 | jbevren | I'm good :D |
| 19:37.49 | jbevren | You know it :D |
| 19:37.59 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe you got that url for the sdio camera for davidc__ ? |
| 19:38.35 | jbevren | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=IMG10093 |
| 19:38.43 | jbevren | search for 'pda camera' |
| 19:47.01 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm, on a blows box, was kind of file has something like foo.ex_ ? |
| 19:47.09 | prpplague | jbevren: that some marker for compressed? |
| 19:47.11 | jbevren | use expand |
| 19:47.14 | jbevren | nod |
| 19:47.18 | jbevren | I think its lzw |
| 19:47.19 | jbevren | not sure |
| 19:47.31 | jbevren | the winDOS tool is 'expand' iirc |
| 19:54.15 | prpplague | interesting, it has several chipsets in here |
| 19:54.24 | prpplague | acx100 and looks like a maxim ic chipset |
| 19:58.48 | prpplague | interesting, it appears some of the sdio wireless cards are running a prism3 chipset |
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| 20:06.01 | flyback | http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_103233/article.html |
| 20:06.01 | prpplague | jbevren: i sure would love a spi based 802.11 |
| 20:06.09 | flyback | working on that as we speak |
| 20:06.12 | flyback | mabye enough to power up a mcu |
| 20:07.30 | prpplague | jbevren: spi to pcmcia, hehe |
| 20:09.19 | flyback | I have my aunt's 6mp camera, it's broken it has to go back, but it will take pics and you can extract them with a sd reader |
| 20:09.28 | flyback | so I can going to take pics of all my crap here in a bit |
| 20:10.42 | prpplague | jbevren: hey, why couldn't you do a pic or avr that just performed the spi to cf/pcmcia conversions? |
| 20:15.52 | MonMotha | prpplague: I don't think you'll be able to hit full PCMCIA clock rates that way |
| 20:16.00 | MonMotha | though many devices probably won't care |
| 20:16.50 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, really don't need a giant transfer rate for this |
| 20:17.01 | MonMotha | then it should be doable |
| 20:17.05 | prpplague | MonMotha: http://www.edtp.com/airdropp_page.htm |
| 20:17.17 | prpplague | MonMotha: basically something like that but with spi |
| 20:17.24 | MonMotha | one other thing you could do is have a couple shift registers handle address/data, then have the micro handle the handshaking |
| 20:17.38 | MonMotha | that would let you run the SPI very, very fast |
| 20:18.04 | prpplague | MonMotha: thats an idea |
| 20:18.20 | flyback | I wish I could come up with a easy way to emulation a floppy drive with flash :/ |
| 20:18.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: problem i see is that cf 802.11 cards are getting expensive |
| 20:18.41 | MonMotha | you could clock address/data in at, say, 15MHz, change chip selects to the AVR/PIC and tell that to do handshaking at 2MHz (usually around the max for most 8bit micros) |
| 20:18.56 | MonMotha | prpplague: true |
| 20:19.36 | flyback | I shoudl work with you guys someday |
| 20:19.37 | flyback | to do this |
| 20:19.44 | flyback | something that could hook to a floppy cable |
| 20:19.50 | flyback | it must hook to a standard floppy cable |
| 20:19.51 | MonMotha | flyback: that's much, much harder than you think |
| 20:19.58 | flyback | and emulation 1:1 1.44 floppy |
| 20:19.59 | flyback | using flash |
| 20:20.05 | MonMotha | the floppy interface is pretty much dedicated to controlling a floppy drive |
| 20:20.11 | MonMotha | that's why LS-120s used IDE ATAPI |
| 20:20.13 | flyback | yeah i kbnowe |
| 20:20.39 | flyback | this isn't for standard pc's that could easily be replaced with something modern that could use cdr, hd or flash |
| 20:20.50 | flyback | this is for factory machines, etc with only a floppy interface |
| 20:21.04 | flyback | it might be easist just to emulate the floppy using another pc |
| 20:21.06 | MonMotha | I'm not saying it's impossible, just that there is a reason people don't do it |
| 20:21.15 | flyback | wonder if you could connect 2 floppy drive cables together |
| 20:21.16 | flyback | hmm |
| 20:21.56 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'd like to use usb dongles, and thats probably what we will use, but the loss of power converting from 3.3v to 5v and back to 3.3v is a real waste |
| 20:22.30 | flyback | prp |
| 20:22.44 | flyback | what about a seperate battery pack boost for when using the usb heavily |
| 20:22.47 | flyback | but removable when not |
| 20:22.52 | flyback | mabye even something wired into the cable |
| 20:23.08 | prpplague | flyback: we are talking a production device, not a hack |
| 20:23.14 | flyback | I know you are |
| 20:23.19 | flyback | I ain't talking about a hack either |
| 20:24.11 | flyback | i'm talking about a special usb cable with a small black box in the middle containing a 5v circuit and 1-2 cells |
| 20:24.35 | flyback | therefore not extra weight etc when the main unit is not actively using usb |
| 20:25.17 | prpplague | flyback: see you just said something wrong |
| 20:25.20 | prpplague | flyback: "special" |
| 20:25.38 | flyback | I knew you would say that ;P |
| 20:26.02 | flyback | it would only be special in respect to it's function, you could still use a normal usb cable at the cost of battery power drain from the main unit |
| 20:26.17 | flyback | then again I geuss a strap on battery for the main unit would accomplish this also |
| 20:27.07 | prpplague | flyback: yea, that doesn't work, too many "custom" items |
| 20:27.12 | flyback | "optional slot for 2nd battery" |
| 20:27.20 | flyback | hmm |
| 20:27.35 | prpplague | flyback: yea that would never fly |
| 20:27.47 | flyback | sux |
| 20:28.24 | flyback | I guess it's time to shop around for the most efficient 5 <--> 3.3 you can find :P |
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| 20:31.48 | prpplague | flyback: already done that |
| 20:31.52 | prpplague | flyback: the already works |
| 20:32.07 | flyback | cool |
| 20:32.08 | prpplague | flyback: just a waste going from 3.3v->5v->3.3v |
| 20:32.19 | flyback | shit happens :P |
| 20:32.39 | flyback | I had to make so many consessions on stuff my brain is trying to kill me |
| 20:32.42 | prpplague | flyback: no, thats what i get paid for, so it doesn't |
| 20:33.05 | flyback | I am saying you can't break the laws of physics |
| 20:33.35 | prpplague | flyback: who said anything about laws of physics? |
| 20:33.52 | flyback | man you are totally anal sometimes |
| 20:33.53 | flyback | and weird |
| 20:34.35 | MonMotha | prpplague: if you get to spec the USB dongle, you may be able to find one that runs on 3.3 |
| 20:34.52 | MonMotha | some of them have full buck-boost on the power side and will run on darned near anything |
| 20:34.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, everyone of the ones i've tested all run 3.3v |
| 20:34.54 | flyback | yeah I was thinking about that too MonMotha |
| 20:35.01 | flyback | but I figured he already thought of that |
| 20:35.20 | MonMotha | even most of my USB stuff will run at 3.3 since I use very low dropout LDOs |
| 20:35.36 | MonMotha | you can feed it 3.3 and you'll be running things off 3.1 or so, which is often still within spec |
| 20:35.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: i had planned on testing the booster to see if works properly with a 3.3v input instead of 5 |
| 20:36.35 | prpplague | MonMotha: other option is doing some sort of quick mod to the module |
| 20:36.55 | prpplague | MonMotha: we will be getting them OEM style, i.e. no case and no usb connector |
| 20:37.12 | prpplague | MonMotha: so its possible we could get a quick mod done |
| 20:37.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: i.e. remove the regulator and jumper it |
| 20:38.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, what would be your first guess if you had a device with an lcd and once in a blue moon, you get a 20 pixel shift on the lcd |
| 20:39.13 | CosmicPenguin | that the blue moon is sending out some wicked cosmic rays |
| 20:39.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:40.21 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno - battery operated? |
| 20:40.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think i might have the front porch set to long and during a screen blank its getting off a little |
| 20:40.50 | MonMotha | this is scary. I've spent $150 with digikey in the past 2 weeks |
| 20:40.55 | MonMotha | and I normally order from Mouser... |
| 20:40.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yes and no, hehe, tested with both battery and standard power, |
| 20:41.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that doesn't sound right |
| 20:41.11 | CosmicPenguin | If the timings were off, you would see it during normal use |
| 20:41.21 | MonMotha | darn mouser not stocking this one part... |
| 20:41.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, what i meant was, its probably very very close to the edge and an occasional timing shift pushes it out |
| 20:42.20 | CosmicPenguin | so you think its gradually creeping? |
| 20:42.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, maybe |
| 20:42.30 | CosmicPenguin | what happens when you leave it running? |
| 20:43.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats just it, i've not been able to replicate it, my boards work perfect, but i've got to reports where someone had it occur |
| 20:43.11 | prpplague | s/to/two |
| 20:43.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: both were when switching vt's |
| 20:43.52 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmmm |
| 20:44.06 | CosmicPenguin | is your mode set screwing up the clocks or something? |
| 20:44.35 | prpplague | i don't think so, but i'll double check |
| 20:45.46 | prpplague | because if it was it might have a problem with phase lock |
| 20:49.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, looks to be monkeying with the modes, i'll do some digging |
| 20:50.19 | CosmicPenguin | dig on |
| 20:53.59 | prpplague | would help if i could replicate it |
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| 21:17.40 | sorphin | agaffney: you awake slacker? |
| 21:19.12 | agaffney | I'm at work....so no :P |
| 21:19.16 | agaffney | 'sup? |
| 21:20.12 | sorphin | i forget if you said your TFT had any deads/stucks |
| 21:20.20 | agaffney | nope |
| 21:20.23 | agaffney | neither does my 19" at work |
| 21:20.26 | sorphin | turns out mine has 2 stucks, a few hours of that flashing video, didn't help |
| 21:20.29 | agaffney | heh |
| 21:20.41 | sorphin | contemplaating either trying the pixel massage thing or just takeing it back and swapping it |
| 21:20.43 | agaffney | if there are any dead/stuck, I haven't noticed them |
| 21:20.56 | jbevren | two? |
| 21:21.00 | jbevren | they wont let you return |
| 21:21.01 | agaffney | most places won't exchange a display unless there are 5+ dead pixels |
| 21:21.10 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:21.15 | agaffney | what's the pixel massage? |
| 21:21.15 | jbevren | lcd manufacturers sell defective devices with intent |
| 21:21.31 | sorphin | well a) these were really hard to spot |
| 21:21.31 | jbevren | agaffney: press on the dead pixel in an atteempt to force liquid crystal behind it |
| 21:21.45 | agaffney | does that even work with a TFT? |
| 21:21.52 | jbevren | doesnt work on mine :) |
| 21:21.55 | sorphin | not on dead pixels, only on stuck ones |
| 21:22.00 | jbevren | my third 1600sw has three deaddies |
| 21:22.08 | jbevren | sorphin: stuck = on right? |
| 21:22.23 | sorphin | yes, you either see, red, green, blue or white or a mixture |
| 21:22.25 | sorphin | all the time |
| 21:22.49 | jbevren | these panels are funky |
| 21:22.56 | jbevren | if you press you can flush teh LC out of an area |
| 21:22.58 | sorphin | i could just simply say, i'm not satisfied with it :P |
| 21:23.01 | jbevren | and it takes a second to flood back in |
| 21:23.07 | jbevren | sorphin: Good call |
| 21:23.21 | jbevren | sorphin: or buy it with a visa gold or platinum |
| 21:23.24 | jbevren | if they wont let you return it |
| 21:23.26 | jbevren | take the money back |
| 21:23.29 | jbevren | visa rox :) |
| 21:23.32 | sorphin | hehe |
| 21:23.46 | sorphin | used my visa check card |
| 21:23.51 | jbevren | is it gold? |
| 21:24.05 | jbevren | I had a gold check card and did that |
| 21:24.11 | jbevren | an online marketer sold me a bad dual amd |
| 21:24.15 | sorphin | yes |
| 21:24.17 | jbevren | they wouldnt reply to my rma's |
| 21:24.17 | sorphin | it's a gold chekc card |
| 21:24.23 | jbevren | so I called visa and said "take the money back" |
| 21:24.27 | jbevren | two days later the marketer called me |
| 21:24.30 | jbevren | hehe |
| 21:24.33 | agaffney | heh |
| 21:24.39 | jbevren | they didnt even ask |
| 21:24.42 | sorphin | jbevren: says righ ton it |
| 21:24.44 | jbevren | they gave me an rma# on the spot |
| 21:24.45 | sorphin | "gold check card" |
| 21:24.49 | jbevren | sorphin: perfect |
| 21:25.13 | jbevren | you get 30days no-questions-asked money back guarrantee on anything you buy |
| 21:25.14 | jbevren | hehe |
| 21:25.15 | agaffney | jbevren: that's why I only use reputable online merchants like newegg |
| 21:25.24 | jbevren | agaffney: thats before I used newegg |
| 21:25.28 | jbevren | I use em now, theyre cool |
| 21:25.31 | agaffney | you may pay a few dollars more, but it's worth it |
| 21:25.36 | agaffney | newegg++ :P |
| 21:25.45 | jbevren | they tried to charge me restocking and return shipping on a pair of bad sdrams |
| 21:25.58 | jbevren | so I called them and said it was preposterous that they intend to restock em |
| 21:26.04 | agaffney | I've never had anything bad from newegg |
| 21:26.04 | jbevren | and that I wont pay to ship broken stuff back |
| 21:26.08 | jbevren | so |
| 21:26.17 | jbevren | they lifted the restock and credited me $10 for shipping fees |
| 21:26.20 | jbevren | mwahaha |
| 21:26.23 | agaffney | heh |
| 21:26.27 | jbevren | so in the end |
| 21:26.31 | jbevren | I made $4 and change |
| 21:26.35 | agaffney | the only problem I've ever had with newegg is when I bought my WRT54GS |
| 21:26.48 | agaffney | I opened it and the stickers on the bottom had been broken |
| 21:26.53 | agaffney | but it's worked fine for 2 years |
| 21:27.15 | agaffney | they just put a note on my account in case I did have problems after the normal return period |
| 21:27.24 | agaffney | so they'd still take it back after |
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| 22:21.33 | prpplague | poof |
| 22:21.37 | prpplague | and the plague appeared out of nowhere like a wind over a sess pool |
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| 22:27.41 | sorphin | well, seeing as he came from a cess pool (TX) |
| 22:27.42 | sorphin | lol |
| 22:33.14 | prpplague | sorphin: speak for yourself |
| 22:33.47 | prpplague | sorphin: your dislike of texas is rather odd to me, i don't talk about other states like that |
| 22:41.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: actually, most not texans believe the same |
| 22:41.55 | CosmicPenguin | I think Texas is generally considered the most hated of the states |
| 22:42.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really? |
| 22:42.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: why? |
| 22:42.09 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno |
| 22:42.33 | CosmicPenguin | I'm just as biggoted as everybody else, though |
| 22:42.40 | CosmicPenguin | I never for one moment would consider moving to Austin |
| 22:42.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but you can't tell me why? |
| 22:43.28 | CosmicPenguin | For me its the lack of mountains, the humidity, and the general impression of feeling like a second class citizen |
| 22:43.50 | prpplague | "second class citizen" ? |
| 22:43.56 | CosmicPenguin | The difference between Texans and non Texans is palatable |
| 22:44.12 | prpplague | hmm |
| 22:44.19 | CosmicPenguin | Not that I don't respect that Texans have such a love for their state |
| 22:44.37 | CosmicPenguin | which is unmatched anywhere else, with the expection of New Yorkers loving their city |
| 22:45.02 | CosmicPenguin | But I just don't get what the big deal is |
| 22:45.32 | CosmicPenguin | And most Texans that I have met can't figure out why I don't worship Texas as well |
| 22:45.57 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, its big, but so is Alaska, and most of the western states don't slouch in the big department |
| 22:45.58 | prpplague | well, my interest was that you disliked it, not that you didn't worship it |
| 22:46.24 | prpplague | i dislike several states, but you'd never hear me bad mouthing them |
| 22:46.42 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno why - Texas bashing does seem to be acceptable in most of the other 49 other states |
| 22:46.46 | CosmicPenguin | At least in the 3 I've lived in |
| 22:46.53 | CosmicPenguin | Aren't americans assholes? |
| 22:47.03 | prpplague | guess so |
| 22:47.57 | CosmicPenguin | You really wern't aware of this? |
| 22:48.05 | prpplague | seriously no |
| 22:48.29 | prpplague | never been in the presence of anyone other than sorphin that bad mouthed texas |
| 22:49.42 | prpplague | i guess its amazing to me since i consider myself very tolerant of what are important to other people |
| 22:50.27 | CosmicPenguin | I guess part of if it is that we can't figure out why it is important |
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| 22:50.43 | CosmicPenguin | Most of us live in a state, and yay, we're in a state, but we have no deep emotional tie to it |
| 22:51.06 | CosmicPenguin | I love Wyoming, but I make fun of it more then any one else - I have no illusions as to its shortcomings |
| 22:51.50 | CosmicPenguin | Momons certainly don't care much for Utah |
| 22:52.05 | CosmicPenguin | Why do Texans love Texas so much? |
| 22:52.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: for me it has alot to do with the history |
| 22:53.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i guess i might also be that we were a country first, state second |
| 22:53.16 | CosmicPenguin | I definately think that has a lot to do with it |
| 22:53.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: alot of texans look at the independence from mexico in the same way most american looks at the war of independence from england |
| 22:54.05 | CosmicPenguin | But that attitude is alienating - the first time I was in Texas, I saw a place in Houston that was flying the Texas flag above the American one |
| 22:54.08 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, whats up with that? |
| 22:54.15 | CosmicPenguin | s/Houston/Fort Worth/ |
| 22:54.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: higher? or at the same height? |
| 22:54.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I can't remember - but I do recall it as wierd |
| 22:55.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, most places will fly at the same height |
| 22:55.06 | CosmicPenguin | not that I think thats the state law or something, but it felt strange |
| 22:56.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i guess the "texas hatred" contributes to the dislike of bush then as well |
| 22:56.17 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, I don't know if it does or not |
| 22:56.37 | CosmicPenguin | I don't often think of GWB as Texan |
| 22:56.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: learn something new everyday |
| 22:56.44 | CosmicPenguin | Lyndon Johnson - now there's a Texan |
| 22:56.52 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 22:56.53 | CosmicPenguin | Johnston |
| 22:56.55 | CosmicPenguin | whatever |
| 22:57.03 | CosmicPenguin | Have you ever seen "King of the Hill"? |
| 22:57.08 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:57.31 | CosmicPenguin | Hank Hill is the perfect stereotype of how the rest of the country sees a Texan |
| 22:58.10 | prpplague | and its pretty accurate, but i'm not sure why people would hate/dislike that? |
| 22:59.00 | CosmicPenguin | Mabye its becaus they have an identity |
| 22:59.08 | CosmicPenguin | Quick - name the stereotypical New Mexican? |
| 22:59.19 | prpplague | drunk indian |
| 22:59.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:59.39 | CosmicPenguin | Well - thats a stereotype that transends state boundaries |
| 23:00.03 | CosmicPenguin | but its hard to identify somebody with a state |
| 23:00.15 | CosmicPenguin | Texas, California, and to a certain extent Florida |
| 23:00.22 | CosmicPenguin | Thats about it |
| 23:00.24 | prpplague | new york? |
| 23:00.29 | CosmicPenguin | That has more to do with the city |
| 23:00.34 | CosmicPenguin | As does boston and chicago |
| 23:00.46 | prpplague | hmm |
| 23:01.08 | CosmicPenguin | Car pronounced Caaha - boston or Mass? |
| 23:01.29 | CosmicPenguin | To me thats Boston |
| 23:01.34 | prpplague | yea point taken |
| 23:01.38 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno |
| 23:01.52 | CosmicPenguin | You could call Wyomingites a bunch of hicks, if you wnt |
| 23:02.07 | CosmicPenguin | but that describes most of the country west of the mississippi |
| 23:02.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:02.22 | CosmicPenguin | Have you been to Eastern Montana? Seesh! |
| 23:02.50 | prpplague | guess thats the difference, i generally don't see the uniquness of places as being a problem |
| 23:03.15 | CosmicPenguin | I guess its how people perceive how important the uniqueness is |
| 23:03.39 | CosmicPenguin | Example from my life - people in Wyoming generally treat people from the Jackson Hole region poorly |
| 23:03.58 | prpplague | whys that? |
| 23:04.07 | CosmicPenguin | The reason for that is because Jackson is unique in all of Wyoming (even the world), and the people in Jackson know it |
| 23:04.26 | CosmicPenguin | Jackson is left-wing, the rest of Wyoming is heavily Republican |
| 23:04.38 | prpplague | ahh |
| 23:04.38 | CosmicPenguin | The per-capita income in jackson is three times the rest of Wyoming |
| 23:04.55 | CosmicPenguin | All anybody in the world knows of Wyoming are the Tetons and Yellowstone |
| 23:05.16 | CosmicPenguin | So the people in Jackson develop a fairly unhealthy obsession with the area, and generate an air of superiority |
| 23:05.43 | prpplague | hmm |
| 23:05.58 | prpplague | well i'll just make sure i keep my mouth shut |
| 23:06.04 | CosmicPenguin | heh - nah |
| 23:06.07 | CosmicPenguin | defend your state |
| 23:06.51 | CosmicPenguin | I'll do my part and say nothing bad about Texas, execpt for the beer |
| 23:06.57 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, Lone Star? Are you kidding me? |
| 23:06.57 | prpplague | its unlikely i would change anyones opinion, best to just keep those things quiet |
| 23:07.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:07.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed , lone star is terrible |
| 23:09.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: funny, when donna arrived in texas, she said that everyone was just wonderfully polite and welcoming |
| 23:10.16 | CosmicPenguin | but you are a texan |
| 23:10.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you've had bad experience in texas? |
| 23:10.39 | CosmicPenguin | oh - yeah, I hate going to Austinb |
| 23:10.55 | prpplague | interesting |
| 23:11.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what kind of problems? |
| 23:11.22 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno - just not fun |
| 23:11.45 | prpplague | hehe, kinda like me and seattle |
| 23:12.20 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 23:12.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and how do you compare to places like new york and LA ? |
| 23:13.08 | CosmicPenguin | LA is ok - just a city |
| 23:13.18 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not a city person |
| 23:13.38 | CosmicPenguin | I haven't been to NY in many years |
| 23:13.42 | CosmicPenguin | At least not hte city |
| 23:14.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seattle? |
| 23:14.08 | CosmicPenguin | I like seattle |
| 23:14.10 | CosmicPenguin | but I have friends there |
| 23:15.12 | prpplague | well i guess that also explains alot about the tech industry in texas as well |
| 23:37.21 | J4k3 | wyoming is a large bunch of NOTHING |
| 23:37.29 | J4k3 | then you hit a LA-style traffic jam in jackson |
| 23:37.35 | J4k3 | at least thats the summer months |