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| 01:19.37 | flyback | http://www.gdhardware.com/interviews/bigfoot/killer/001.htm |
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| 03:21.53 | T0mW | prpplague: ping |
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| 03:51.55 | jbevren | prpplague: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/80ce/ |
| 03:52.41 | agaffney | that is awesome :P |
| 03:52.50 | jbevren | linux support via kismet apparently |
| 03:53.28 | jbevren | curses interface too |
| 03:53.50 | agaffney | spiffy |
| 03:54.26 | jbevren | http://www.kismetwireless.net/screenshot/wispy-curses-1.png |
| 03:54.27 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:55.14 | jbevren | looks like this guy ought to use channel 3 |
| 03:55.20 | agaffney | hah |
| 03:55.34 | jbevren | thats a pretty sweet radio |
| 03:55.49 | jbevren | btw, wtf is zigbee |
| 03:55.56 | agaffney | no idea |
| 03:55.58 | agaffney | never heard of it |
| 03:56.00 | jbevren | is it yet another wifi/bluetooth/whatever |
| 03:56.06 | jbevren | I saw some transcievers on sparkfun heh |
| 03:56.17 | agaffney | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZigBee |
| 03:56.36 | agaffney | The ZigBee 1.0 specification was ratified on December 14, 2004 and is available to members of the ZigBee Alliance. An entry level membership in the ZigBee Alliance costs US$ 3500 and provides access to the specifications. |
| 03:56.56 | jbevren | sounds like something nobody will be using |
| 03:57.28 | agaffney | pretty much |
| 03:58.13 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:58.18 | jbevren | . o O ( gp2x ) |
| 03:58.21 | jbevren | or a nokia |
| 03:58.25 | jbevren | (or whatever) |
| 03:58.27 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:59.02 | jbevren | ok, out :) |
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| 04:51.11 | MonMotha | zigbee is like bluetooth but intended for more embedded control applications |
| 04:51.27 | MonMotha | however, it's insanely overcomplicated for such things |
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| 09:46.28 | prpplague | jbevren: http://www.circuitcellar.com/library/print/0406/Armitage-189/index.htm |
| 09:46.35 | prpplague | jbevren: same thing as the wispy |
| 10:15.45 | key2 | prpplague: the pb is that its only 2.4ghz |
| 10:16.08 | key2 | Could be cool if it was 1hz <-> 2.4Ghz |
| 10:16.09 | key2 | :) |
| 10:16.12 | prpplague | key2: ?? |
| 10:16.26 | key2 | the spectrum analyzer |
| 10:17.00 | prpplague | key2: "the pb" |
| 10:17.04 | prpplague | key2: ? |
| 10:17.11 | key2 | problem |
| 10:17.28 | key2 | prpplague: the shit if u prefer :) |
| 10:18.34 | prpplague | key2: why do you need that range of support? |
| 10:18.59 | key2 | prpplague: why only 2.4Ghz |
| 10:19.14 | key2 | and what if you wanna see how your Cell phone works :) |
| 10:19.16 | prpplague | key2: 802.11 |
| 10:19.17 | key2 | or stuff like that:) |
| 10:19.25 | prpplague | key2: site survey |
| 10:19.33 | key2 | prpplague: yeah but you won't get much out of it |
| 10:19.41 | key2 | since with a single wifi card you can see all the channels |
| 10:20.05 | prpplague | key2: generally alot of the info is hidden with the wifi card |
| 10:20.14 | prpplague | key2: thats why they sell the wispy |
| 10:20.31 | key2 | what does the wispy help for ? |
| 10:20.34 | prpplague | key2: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/80ce/ |
| 10:20.56 | prpplague | key2: you see are able to get the single strengths without processing |
| 10:23.54 | key2 | yeah but what does it help for |
| 10:23.59 | key2 | in what case would you use that ? |
| 10:24.26 | prpplague | key2: site survey |
| 10:24.51 | key2 | prpplague: what u mean ? |
| 10:25.03 | key2 | to make sure nobody else is on your network |
| 10:25.03 | key2 | ? |
| 10:25.47 | prpplague | key2: to check a installation site to understand the coverage for your 802.11 as well as best placement for the APs, and check for other devices that might interfer with the 802.11 network |
| 10:26.34 | prpplague | key2: commercial site survey devices for 802.11 are usually in the $2000 range, so these are inexpensive solutions |
| 10:27.54 | key2 | oh |
| 10:27.57 | key2 | k i get it now |
| 10:27.58 | key2 | :) |
| 10:28.12 | key2 | anyone has experiances with Mentor Graphics PCB flow ? |
| 10:28.44 | prpplague | not me, i assume its a pcb layout application, and if so, i only use eagle and gEDA |
| 10:29.19 | key2 | prpplague: it's like the professionnal thing used by all the big companies |
| 10:29.26 | key2 | but it's SOOO complicated to use |
| 10:29.26 | key2 | .. |
| 10:29.48 | key2 | I guess people do 5 years of school just to learn how to use this shit :) |
| 10:29.49 | prpplague | key2: hehe, i thought all the big companies use orcad, hehe |
| 10:30.09 | key2 | prpplague: well orcad is a bit less professionnal than Mentor Graphics Expedition Flow |
| 10:30.20 | key2 | prpplague: and easyer to use |
| 10:30.33 | prpplague | ahh, well thats what we use at the office |
| 10:36.33 | key2 | prpplague: orcad ? |
| 10:37.42 | prpplague | yea |
| 10:41.30 | key2 | prpplague: whats your company |
| 10:43.20 | prpplague | the company i work for is http://www.amltd.com |
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| 12:42.22 | prpplague | sjhill: hey hey stranger |
| 12:42.42 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 12:42.51 | prpplague | sjhill: how goes the battle? |
| 12:43.03 | sjhill | oh, no problems yet |
| 12:43.19 | sjhill | i just got back to work after being on vacation all of last week and the first 2 days of this week |
| 12:43.26 | prpplague | sjhill: ahhh |
| 12:43.38 | prpplague | sjhill: whats "vacation" ? |
| 12:47.11 | sjhill | it's this thing where you don't do any work |
| 12:47.49 | prpplague | sjhill: yea right, and you site around drinking margaritas with santa claus and the tooth fairy |
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| 12:49.44 | sjhill | yeah, something like that |
| 12:50.40 | prpplague | sjhill: how much vacation do you get right now? |
| 13:01.23 | sjhill | prpplague: 3 weeks |
| 13:01.33 | prpplague | sjhill: wow |
| 13:02.40 | sjhill | that's standard for new hires now too |
| 13:02.47 | prpplague | sjhill: wow |
| 13:03.01 | prpplague | sjhill: they pay for anything for conferences? |
| 13:03.09 | sjhill | yup |
| 13:03.25 | sjhill | sent me to OLS |
| 13:03.44 | prpplague | nice |
| 13:03.56 | prpplague | sjhill: sounds like they have some good perks |
| 13:04.22 | jbevren | prpplague: did you see the wi-spy on thinkgeek? |
| 13:04.50 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe yea, a long time ago, thats what led me to the usb gadget on circuit cellar |
| 13:10.32 | prpplague | jbevren: i wonder what's inside that |
| 13:10.49 | prpplague | jbevren: we are looking at using a CC2500 for our next handheld |
| 13:16.50 | jbevren | whats a cc2500? hehe |
| 13:17.19 | jbevren | ah, a radio |
| 13:18.10 | prpplague | jbevren: http://www.circuitcellar.com/library/print/0406/Armitage-189/index.htm |
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| 13:18.22 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:18.33 | jbevren | I read the article, seems pretty cool |
| 13:19.36 | prpplague | jbevren: the cc2500 is what they used |
| 13:20.04 | prpplague | jbevren: we are considering adding one with a small pcb antenna on the main board for the M7500 |
| 13:20.19 | prpplague | jbevren: the M7200 is close to going to production, so its too late for that |
| 13:29.35 | jbevren | prpplague: so the handheld can easily do a site survey? |
| 13:30.14 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 13:30.42 | jbevren | cool |
| 13:31.03 | prpplague | jbevren: i've been looking around to see if we could just use a standard wifi card, but it doesn't look so |
| 13:31.14 | prpplague | jbevren: we'd need custom firmware to do it |
| 13:31.19 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:31.35 | jbevren | and as long as youre doing custom firmware, just use an open radio chip |
| 13:31.45 | prpplague | jbevren: exactly |
| 13:32.00 | prpplague | jbevren: and based on our calcs it will only had about $1.88 to BOM |
| 13:33.29 | prpplague | jbevren: i wonder what it would take to build a wifi card using the cs2500 |
| 13:33.41 | jbevren | can the cs2500 transmit? |
| 13:34.24 | prpplague | sorry cc2500, yea, its a transceiver |
| 13:47.35 | jbevren | prpplague: know much about X? |
| 13:47.49 | jbevren | I'm trying to figure out why firefox randomly loses its input panes on me |
| 13:48.04 | jbevren | it only happens with xinerama enabled, and when xinerama's on it happens often |
| 13:48.53 | jbevren | like, you press ctrl-f to search, and the text you type doesnt get input. So, you move the mouse to the input area to click and it goes grey (all text and widgets disappear) |
| 13:49.03 | jbevren | so I move to the URL bar to re-input the location, and it disappears |
| 13:49.04 | jbevren | etc |
| 13:49.48 | agaffney | sounds like fun |
| 13:49.58 | jbevren | it makes firefox useless |
| 13:50.09 | jbevren | multiple times per day, I lose everything on a support issue I'm working on |
| 13:50.35 | jbevren | makes me miss IE. It may be insecure and noncompliant, but it's not useless |
| 13:56.00 | prpplague | jbevren: latest firefox build? |
| 13:56.44 | jbevren | latest debian patchup |
| 13:57.07 | jbevren | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20060629 Firefox/1.0.4 (Debian package 1.0.4-2sarge9) |
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| 14:00.36 | T0mW | boo! |
| 14:00.53 | jbevren | didnt work. I saw you come in |
| 14:00.55 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:00.59 | T0mW | drat |
| 14:01.15 | T0mW | It's official, it is going to be a Linux system |
| 14:01.20 | jbevren | yay |
| 14:01.25 | T0mW | yay |
| 14:01.27 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:01.47 | T0mW | and, I got to keep all the big peices |
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| 14:02.43 | T0mW | And, I see that Digikey has LPC2106 & LPC2138 processors in stock! Finally. |
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| 14:04.38 | sorphin | prpplague: fyi, for the convo i missed, my dislike of tx is because of the "everything's bigger and better down here" attitude that *I* have seen displayed, NYC does it too, so i also don't like NYC, but there's no one from NYC here.. and secondly because of 'W'. |
| 14:07.27 | sorphin | agaffney: ran into more stuck pixels last night, so yeah, this thing'll be going back.. up to 6 now |
| 14:07.34 | sorphin | gotta look for them, but they're there |
| 14:07.41 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:09.46 | sorphin | wouldn't you? |
| 14:09.51 | jbevren | I would |
| 14:10.32 | sorphin | ok then |
| 14:14.23 | prpplague | sorphin: hmm, ok |
| 14:14.56 | prpplague | jbevren: yea the latest firefox has been buggy for me ask well on the gui end of things |
| 14:15.35 | sorphin | prpplague: maybe it's because you guys take pride in where you live so much, i dunno, most of us (ie. here in MO), just live here |
| 14:16.06 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, i think from conversations with other people last night, thats what it boiled down to |
| 14:16.51 | prpplague | sorphin: which is surprising to me, because i thought most people took pride in their home state |
| 14:16.54 | sorphin | ya |
| 14:17.15 | T0mW | prpplague: or, their adopted state |
| 14:17.29 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:17.55 | jbevren | T0mW: I'm sorry |
| 14:20.17 | prpplague | sorphin: another thing that i think is different is that when i was in the army, most everyone is kinda indentified by their home town/state, so most people have a connection to it |
| 14:20.20 | T0mW | jbevren: not me! I was born in New York, raised in New Jersey, when I became aware of where I was: I moved to Pennsylvania |
| 14:22.53 | T0mW | jbevren: talked with a machinist friend last night about a jig to score the PCB fiberglass. He said that if I got a drawing togehter that he could build one. |
| 14:23.11 | prpplague | i guess you naturally assume other people want to behave in a civilized manner |
| 14:23.18 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, nobody has a say in their race or origin |
| 14:24.59 | prpplague | T0mW: its disappointing, because i was raised believing that kind of stuff didn't matter |
| 14:25.14 | T0mW | prpplague: interesting bit of trivia I picked up yesterday about routing traces on a PCB: avoid 90 degree angles on the traces as they tend to yeild more RFI |
| 14:25.29 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 14:25.38 | jbevren | T0mW: makes sense |
| 14:25.41 | T0mW | prpplague: use 45 degree turns when possible |
| 14:25.42 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, funny, that i should know that already, hehe |
| 14:25.48 | jbevren | the electron flow is smashed against the 90 degree corner |
| 14:25.49 | T0mW | prpplague: ah! |
| 14:25.53 | jbevren | thus vibrating the metal edge |
| 14:25.54 | T0mW | LOL |
| 14:26.14 | jbevren | I recommend curves everywhere |
| 14:26.16 | T0mW | jbevren: sort of like a freeway pileup on the sharp turns, eh? |
| 14:26.22 | jbevren | T0mW: Right |
| 14:26.26 | jbevren | or a right angle in a water pipe |
| 14:26.27 | jbevren | theyre noisy |
| 14:26.32 | jbevren | but a bent pipe isnt |
| 14:26.35 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe i read a paper on reducing RFI and timming issues with sdram back when i started at aml |
| 14:26.35 | T0mW | that I knew |
| 14:26.52 | T0mW | prpplague: any other tidbits? |
| 14:26.53 | jbevren | I just use 45s cause they look fancy hehe |
| 14:27.09 | T0mW | jbevren: sexy angles huh? |
| 14:27.13 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:27.35 | T0mW | jbevren: how about I just miter all the corners, heh |
| 14:28.03 | jbevren | T0mW: you might be surprised |
| 14:28.04 | prpplague | T0mW: naw, other than with SPI you shouldn't route the sdi and sdo next to any other high freq lines |
| 14:28.18 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah |
| 14:28.25 | jbevren | T0mW: or cut the hard corner so that it's a separate circuit, then ground it |
| 14:28.26 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:28.32 | T0mW | prpplague: that's one reason I don't use an autorouter |
| 14:28.50 | jbevren | prpplague: next to CLK is ok? |
| 14:29.11 | T0mW | crosstalk may always be an issue |
| 14:29.17 | prpplague | jbevren: clk seems not to be effected as much as the other lines |
| 14:29.27 | jbevren | prpplague: I mean DIO next to CLK |
| 14:29.38 | jbevren | it'd be fine I bet, since theyre sync'ed lines |
| 14:29.48 | T0mW | depends on the power level (current) in the one trace as opposed to the other (weak current) |
| 14:29.49 | prpplague | jbevren: oh, well the clk should be sync |
| 14:30.19 | jbevren | gnd di clk do gnd |
| 14:30.19 | sorphin | prpplague: i just live here, pretty much state wise, and country wise, kinda hard to have a loyality to a corruptness, but that's just my opinion |
| 14:30.20 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:30.22 | prpplague | jbevren: since SPI is so similiar to jtag, you can pretty much be safe with doing every other line a ground |
| 14:30.30 | jbevren | let clk smooth crosstalk between di and do |
| 14:30.31 | T0mW | don't run low impedance traces next to high impedance traces |
| 14:31.06 | T0mW | they tend to magnetically / capacitively couple |
| 14:31.19 | jbevren | ah, then stick a decoupling cap between them |
| 14:31.22 | jbevren | haha |
| 14:31.31 | T0mW | ~cluebat jbevren |
| 14:31.39 | purl | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps jbevren. |
| 14:31.46 | jbevren | that was a bit delayed |
| 14:31.48 | prpplague | sorphin: to each his own i guess, but for me even if i didn't have any fondness of my area/state, i wouldn't dream of bad mouthing someone else's choice of area/state |
| 14:31.49 | T0mW | ~botsnack |
| 14:31.49 | purl | T0mW: :) |
| 14:33.18 | jbevren | I hated scranton |
| 14:33.23 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:33.32 | jbevren | it's an old, dying coal town |
| 14:33.33 | jbevren | and it shows |
| 14:33.54 | T0mW | scranton does suck |
| 14:34.07 | jbevren | I worked at the datacenter there |
| 14:34.18 | T0mW | which one? |
| 14:34.24 | jbevren | burst.net |
| 14:34.28 | T0mW | ah |
| 14:34.53 | T0mW | jbevren: one of the keepers of the keys of the data, huh? |
| 14:35.39 | jbevren | one of the protectors from retards |
| 14:35.43 | jbevren | I wont say much more hehe |
| 14:35.47 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:35.59 | jbevren | uppus coverus |
| 14:36.05 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:36.08 | T0mW | yeah |
| 14:36.16 | jbevren | I could show you some fun pictures |
| 14:36.18 | T0mW | CUA |
| 14:36.22 | T0mW | CYA |
| 14:36.33 | jbevren | like a 48port extreme with oh lets say about 25 cheap 5port hubs hanging off it by its cables |
| 14:36.34 | T0mW | sorry, been a while since I've had to think in those terms |
| 14:37.38 | T0mW | funny though, there was an outfit near Hazelton PA that I would visit yearly. A friend of a friend worked there. |
| 14:38.04 | jbevren | heh that always seems to happen |
| 14:38.07 | T0mW | jbevren: each year I went there, the data centers farm would grow smaller and the HP-3000's would get smaller |
| 14:38.12 | jbevren | well less so in your case since I didnt know you until I moved here |
| 14:38.27 | jbevren | I lived in minneapolis, about 1/4 mile from someone I'd known online for years |
| 14:38.34 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:38.43 | jbevren | I never knew, until I'd moved away and came back to visit the friends I shared an apt with |
| 14:43.33 | jbevren | ticket traffic is low, which means it'll be my fault for not getting much done |
| 14:43.35 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:46.03 | jbevren | 380vdc distribution rails |
| 14:46.05 | jbevren | :O |
| 14:46.12 | jbevren | I'm so never going in that datacenter |
| 14:46.27 | jbevren | AC will make you jump, DC will make you clamp |
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| 15:01.19 | T0mW | this is wierd, yesterday the black ink of my printer wouldn't print right: uneven printing. Today, it prints fine, but I needed it work yesterday! |
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| 15:01.50 | T0mW | must be some subsection of Murphey's law |
| 15:14.04 | jbevren | T0mW: O'brien's law. |
| 15:14.10 | jbevren | "Murphy was an optimist." |
| 15:14.21 | jbevren | so, X reads EDID info |
| 15:14.27 | jbevren | gets the right custom resolution |
| 15:14.31 | jbevren | and drives the monitor beyond its sync range |
| 15:14.34 | jbevren | thats real nice |
| 15:18.40 | prpplague | hehe, my father's office just got some calls from BP for some equipment to be shipped to alaska, hehe |
| 15:20.45 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:21.03 | CosmicPenguin | That will be 3 billion dollars please |
| 15:26.00 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:26.11 | jbevren | is it a good thing if your video player doesnt show as an active process in top/ |
| 15:28.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, not that much but it will make this and next years sales look good |
| 15:28.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like the DoT is gonna mandate that BP do much more monitoring |
| 15:36.08 | prpplague | ugh today seems to be dragging on and on and on |
| 15:37.20 | jbevren | seems okayish here |
| 15:42.45 | prpplague | jbevren: i'd like to get the dac working for the pixter |
| 15:42.50 | prpplague | jbevren: you looked at any of it? |
| 15:43.30 | jbevren | I havent since I got the imgdisplay working |
| 15:43.36 | jbevren | its been too hot in the workshop (no a/c) |
| 15:43.58 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 15:46.01 | prpplague | dm9000? |
| 15:46.15 | jbevren | ISA/PLB 10/100 ethernet |
| 15:46.26 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:46.34 | jbevren | sparkfun has a breakout board for it |
| 15:47.20 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:48.11 | jbevren | spry? |
| 15:48.47 | prpplague | ~dict spry |
| 15:49.01 | jbevren | mm new words |
| 15:49.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/08/09/dell_confirms_amd_notebooks/ |
| 15:50.20 | prpplague | i'd really like to see a nice arm based laptop |
| 15:50.38 | prpplague | something based on a s3c2440 |
| 15:50.46 | prpplague | 400mhz |
| 15:51.23 | jbevren | me too |
| 15:51.33 | jbevren | prpplague: iyonix has a 600mhz strongarm atx system |
| 15:51.50 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, simtec has some nice arm based desktops as well |
| 15:51.51 | jbevren | its made for RiscOS, and has native NVIDIA acceleration |
| 15:54.38 | prpplague | i wonder how long it would take me to learn how to use this - http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/6c82/zoom/ |
| 15:56.10 | jbevren | I pondered one of those |
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| 16:08.17 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... interesting |
| 16:08.30 | CosmicPenguin | I might wait to get an Dell+AMD laptop then |
| 16:15.39 | jbevren | have google fixed their google desktop uninstall issues? |
| 16:15.46 | prpplague | crap, not a single retailer in the US has a sonic screwdriver |
| 16:15.55 | jbevren | ;blinks |
| 16:16.04 | jbevren | a Doctor Who fan? |
| 16:16.24 | prpplague | yea, but my son wanted one for his birthday |
| 16:16.35 | jbevren | ah |
| 16:16.39 | jbevren | I thought maybe one existed |
| 16:16.40 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:16.42 | prpplague | guess i'll have to make something |
| 16:16.55 | jbevren | something to help tighten a screw via sonic vibrations hehe |
| 16:17.03 | prpplague | jbevren: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0009P5YXO/026-2934343-4270004?v=glance&n=468292 |
| 16:17.43 | jbevren | nice. uv ink :D |
| 16:18.06 | jbevren | I want one just for that |
| 16:18.06 | prpplague | all the good dr.who stuff is only available in the UK :( |
| 16:18.07 | jbevren | mwahaha |
| 16:19.12 | prpplague | http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0001LAR4C/ref=pd_sbs_k_h_b_cs_5/026-2934343-4270004?ie=UTF8 |
| 16:19.16 | prpplague | chandler would love that |
| 16:32.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, lets just say we have a little rain today - http://image.weather.com/images/sat/atl_oce_sat_720x486.jpg |
| 16:39.22 | CosmicPenguin | ooh - fun |
| 16:39.38 | CosmicPenguin | depression or storm? |
| 16:39.50 | CosmicPenguin | depression |
| 16:41.53 | prpplague | depression for the momment |
| 16:42.02 | prpplague | i suspect it will be upgraded by the end of the day |
| 16:46.03 | CosmicPenguin | wow - tons of geode related activity recently |
| 16:46.28 | CosmicPenguin | the geode mailing list is busy, and there's a geode related question on the fbdev list too |
| 16:46.47 | CosmicPenguin | Where were these people when we needed to save people's jobs? |
| 16:46.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:47.03 | prpplague | wheeeeee - http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO04A/exposition/exhibitorinfo//QMONYA048DUD |
| 16:47.41 | CosmicPenguin | Are you going? |
| 16:48.29 | prpplague | are you kidding? |
| 16:48.57 | prpplague | only sales and management will be present |
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| 16:50.21 | mbuf | prpplague, you there ? |
| 16:50.24 | prpplague | hmm, a number of HR people need to attend this - http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO04A/conference/tracksessions//QMONYA04LRY9 |
| 16:50.51 | prpplague | mbuf: well depends on who you speak to, my wife has always maintained that i have never been "all there" |
| 16:51.05 | mbuf | prpplague, hehe |
| 16:51.50 | mbuf | prpplague, i am trying to test the gadget_serial on the littlechips.com s3c2410 board, without any success - http://www.littlechips.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=130 , have you got it working on this ? |
| 16:54.35 | prpplague | mbuf: i've not used the gadget driver on the littlechips board, but its works fine on my s3c2410 board |
| 16:54.51 | prpplague | mbuf: oh wait |
| 16:55.17 | prpplague | mbuf: what kernel are you using? |
| 16:55.17 | mbuf | prpplague, do you have a simple HOWTO on how to test it ? linux-2.6.13.2 |
| 16:55.17 | prpplague | mbuf: yea thats too old |
| 16:55.18 | mbuf | prpplague, i did read Documentation/usb/gadget_serial.txt, but, it doesn't seem to work with mine |
| 16:55.28 | prpplague | mbuf: 2.6.15 is about the oldest you can use |
| 16:55.42 | mbuf | prpplague, i see |
| 16:55.46 | prpplague | mbuf: yea took a little tweaking to get working 100% |
| 16:56.11 | mbuf | prpplague, is it possible for you to upload the code base so I can download it and test it on the littlechips board ? |
| 16:56.41 | prpplague | mbuf: sorry, no not as of yet, its part of a commercial product that hasn't been released yet |
| 16:56.47 | mbuf | prpplague, i see |
| 16:56.49 | prpplague | mbuf: one sec let me see if can find whats available |
| 16:57.01 | mbuf | prpplague, ok |
| 16:58.01 | prpplague | mbuf: to be honest i'm not sure why littlechips forum is still using such and old kernel and re-inventing the wheel |
| 16:58.35 | mbuf | prpplague, its actually "ragrot" who said he has got it working fine, somehow i am able to compile it, but, it just ain't working or I don't know what I am doing |
| 16:58.59 | mbuf | prpplague, maybe i should try the zero gadget first |
| 16:59.19 | prpplague | mbuf: i find that hard to believe as there were major issues with anything prior to 2.6.15 |
| 16:59.58 | mbuf | prpplague, agree, using 2.6.17.1 on ARM PB926EJ-S Versatile is different from 2.6.12 |
| 17:00.10 | mbuf | prpplague, in kernel level subsystems itself |
| 17:00.18 | prpplague | mbuf: usb 2-1: Manufacturer: Linux 2.6.13.2 with dummy_udc |
| 17:00.26 | prpplague | mbuf: you don't have the s3c2410 udc compiled in |
| 17:00.57 | prpplague | mbuf: you have the test udc selected |
| 17:01.36 | mbuf | prpplague, ok when I used that it detected itself on the USB host PC, but i had this error message, udc interrupt - no driver |
| 17:02.36 | mbuf | prpplague, and there was no /dev/ttyUSB1 created on the USB host PC to which I could use minicom with |
| 17:02.52 | mbuf | prpplague, but, when "ragrot" send the .config file, he had only used the dummy_udc driver |
| 17:04.59 | prpplague | mbuf: sounds like something isn't getting declared for your udc |
| 17:05.12 | prpplague | mbuf: thats not accurate |
| 17:05.43 | prpplague | mbuf: the dummy udc is strictly for testing |
| 17:06.20 | mbuf | prpplague, this is the log with the s3c2410 udc compiled in : http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/trash/minicom.cap.txt |
| 17:09.56 | prpplague | mbuf: yea looks like you have the same problems that were present in the kernels before 2.6.15 |
| 17:10.14 | mbuf | prpplague, so, you want me to port 2.6.17 or something ? |
| 17:10.41 | prpplague | mbuf: not much to port, 2.6.17 has 99% of the s3c2410 support functional |
| 17:10.47 | mbuf | prpplague, i see |
| 17:10.52 | prpplague | mbuf: just gotta add your system specific items |
| 17:11.05 | mbuf | prpplague, 2.6.14.4 was cool for ARM Versatile, everything was in-built too |
| 17:13.47 | prpplague | mbuf: most of the issues with the udc are related to the queues not being halted properly |
| 17:16.48 | mbuf | prpplague, i see; haven't yet gone through Understanding the Linux Kernel yet, its long due |
| 17:17.14 | prpplague | mbuf: just check with management, i won't be able to release any code until the end of august |
| 17:17.42 | mbuf | prpplague, no problem, if it should work with recent 2.6.17 kernels, then its fine with me |
| 17:19.06 | prpplague | mbuf: yea, it should |
| 17:19.31 | mbuf | prpplague, we have headaches with 2.6.13.2 SD/MMC on the ARM Versatile PB; I/O read/write errors; with 2.6.17.1 it works out of the box |
| 17:19.47 | prpplague | mbuf: i'd like to get around to doing a fresh kernel for the littlechips board, but i just can't seem to find the time |
| 17:20.18 | mbuf | prpplague, most of the time i have only been getting patches and help from documentation/mailing list etc. that I have failed to really study any code |
| 17:21.16 | mbuf | but things seem to work well and problems get solved easily with FLOSS |
| 17:30.10 | mbuf | prpplague, ok me off now, flying to Bangalore tomorrow to meet client, STMicroelectronics, will catch you later and keep you posted on this |
| 17:32.58 | prpplague | not sure why i help him |
| 17:34.37 | CosmicPenguin | Because you are a hell of a guy |
| 17:36.59 | prpplague | hmm, donna also use "hell" in sentences about me |
| 17:37.46 | CosmicPenguin | because you've got a damn tropical storm on your head? |
| 17:37.54 | jbevren | even when you want to be an ass, you cant pull it off :) |
| 17:46.12 | prpplague | check this out - http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=302 |
| 17:46.51 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 17:47.07 | CosmicPenguin | Wouldn't that be slower then emulated fp? |
| 17:47.21 | jbevren | not on a PIC |
| 17:47.24 | jbevren | or a 6502 |
| 17:47.28 | jbevren | or an atmel :) |
| 17:47.39 | jbevren | that's actually a pic iirc |
| 17:47.49 | jbevren | they have a parallel version too (iirc again) |
| 17:48.44 | prpplague | not sure |
| 17:48.49 | prpplague | does seem interesting |
| 17:50.02 | jbevren | oh the desc says cy8c27413 |
| 17:50.06 | jbevren | Ive seen them around for ages |
| 17:54.11 | CosmicPenguin | But what sort of FP would you need to do on a PIC |
| 17:54.13 | CosmicPenguin | wierd |
| 17:56.55 | jbevren | machine control |
| 17:57.18 | jbevren | you could use the PC running the PMC to do the float work, but then you dont necessarily get the steps out in real time |
| 17:57.29 | jbevren | so you run all the arcs etc on the PMC using its own FP engine |
| 17:58.12 | CosmicPenguin | oh, sure |
| 17:58.13 | CosmicPenguin | I gueass |
| 17:58.58 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:59.10 | jbevren | its for people who arent brave enough to try a LPC |
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| 18:29.40 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 18:29.53 | T0mW | PIC, LPC, FP, PMS |
| 18:29.55 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:30.17 | T0mW | s/PMS/PMC |
| 18:30.19 | T0mW | wrong channel |
| 18:32.50 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:33.18 | prpplague | any one ever looked into the apollo computer systems? |
| 18:36.01 | flyback- | some guy made one out of 74 series logic |
| 18:39.19 | flyback- | http://www.dspdesignline.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=LPWLPVCIEH3H4QSNDLRSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleID=191601152 |
| 18:39.21 | flyback- | hehehe |
| 18:39.25 | flyback- | 8051 will NEVER die |
| 18:40.10 | jbevren | wee |
| 18:40.19 | jbevren | pci g200 cards for cheap |
| 18:40.47 | jbevren | flyback: page not found |
| 18:41.07 | flyback- | wtf |
| 18:41.16 | flyback- | must be one of those session crap things |
| 18:41.25 | flyback- | check this, win free devel mcu kit |
| 18:41.27 | flyback- | http://www.toshiba.com/taec/adinfo/mcu_topas/index.jsp |
| 18:41.37 | prpplague | flyback-: no more urls today |
| 18:41.47 | flyback- | why they are both channel relevant |
| 18:42.09 | prpplague | flyback-: lets keep it that way |
| 18:49.05 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - thats all it took? |
| 18:51.06 | prpplague | guess so |
| 18:51.09 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=76 |
| 18:51.18 | prpplague | T0mW: whatcha think of that? |
| 18:51.29 | prpplague | T0mW: i have no experience with hotair soldering |
| 18:51.46 | prpplague | T0mW: can i do tsop and tssop packages with the hotair? |
| 18:52.55 | T0mW | prpplague: hot-air equipment is mainly a rework station: remove & replace a chip |
| 18:53.19 | T0mW | prpplague: if someone were to build a board, I'd say use the toaster oven. |
| 18:53.23 | T0mW | prpplague: however |
| 18:53.48 | prpplague | T0mW: yea thats what i meant, removing |
| 18:53.58 | T0mW | prpplague: if you have the toaster oven and now need to rework boards, I would consider a hot-air pencil |
| 18:54.06 | prpplague | T0mW: does the hotair remove normally damage the component? |
| 18:54.21 | T0mW | prpplague: not for removal, X-acto knife works better at removing chips |
| 18:54.24 | chouimat | hi T0mW prpplague ... /me tired building fences in the sun is not easy |
| 18:54.30 | prpplague | T0mW: i don't feel comfortable with the toaster oven |
| 18:54.51 | prpplague | T0mW: xacto and solder braid? |
| 18:55.01 | T0mW | prpplague: you have a number of problems that you encounter with using a hot-air stream: |
| 18:55.19 | T0mW | 1. the air jet will tend to push caps & resistors around |
| 18:55.36 | T0mW | 2. the jet will push melted solder paste around |
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| 18:56.20 | chouimat | prpplague: I got another email from my ex ... GRRRRR |
| 18:56.31 | T0mW | 3. you get uneven heating, one side a chip is soldered, the solder cools before start on the other side of the chip and it torques the chip lifting the other side up |
| 18:57.07 | T0mW | prpplague: if you build a board, use the toaster oven: |
| 18:57.17 | T0mW | 1. no air stream to push parts |
| 18:57.28 | T0mW | 2. heat is even, the chips settle nicely into the solder pool |
| 18:57.56 | T0mW | 3. you subject the chips / caps / other components to lower heat. |
| 18:58.23 | T0mW | prpplague: hot air pencils / wands generally run 600F..800F air temp |
| 18:58.23 | prpplague | yea i would do that stuff with an iron |
| 18:58.58 | T0mW | prpplague: you also NEED a hot-air fountain |
| 18:59.24 | T0mW | prpplague: you also NEED a hot-air fountain, with the hot-air systems. This is to preheat the PCB before you hit it with the air jet |
| 19:00.37 | T0mW | I have this setup: http://www.zeph.com/directory.htm |
| 19:02.11 | jbevren | woah I need one of those cradles :) |
| 19:03.21 | T0mW | prpplague: ZT-2 air pencil, ZT-1000 fountain, ZT-3 air pick, ZT-4 fume extracter, ZT-5100 paste dispenser, board cradle. |
| 19:03.53 | T0mW | It is "okay", but I sure would not want to go back to using that system to build boards with again!!! |
| 19:03.57 | T0mW | PITA! |
| 19:04.20 | T0mW | you cannot apply paste evenly, always get shorts |
| 19:04.39 | jbevren | T0mW: so you stencil and bake? |
| 19:04.43 | T0mW | caps & resistors tend to "tombstone" on you (stand upright) |
| 19:04.51 | T0mW | jbevren: yessir! |
| 19:04.56 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 19:05.13 | T0mW | jbevren: best way that i've found in the 6 years of doing SMT stuff |
| 19:05.16 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i have that problem sometime doing caps & resistors with an iron, hehe |
| 19:05.38 | jbevren | T0mW: all you need now is a home laser cutter for the stencils |
| 19:05.39 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:05.50 | T0mW | prpplague: 1209 packages ... ok, 0805 & 0603 ... PITA |
| 19:06.03 | T0mW | jbevren: I've been checking prices... |
| 19:06.23 | jbevren | shame robotics/optics combos are such a pita ;-) |
| 19:06.47 | jbevren | brb |
| 19:07.11 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, 0603's take me a little while to do |
| 19:07.35 | T0mW | jbevren: actually looking some of the laser stuff over, I have yet to price one. |
| 19:08.12 | T0mW | I think a 20watt laser would be nice to have. :) |
| 19:08.36 | prpplague | T0mW: i wonder how well that stuff does bga's |
| 19:10.00 | T0mW | prpplague: shudder, you said the "B" word! |
| 19:10.20 | T0mW | I have yet to attempt something like that |
| 19:10.47 | T0mW | prpplague: IIRC, that BGA station is around $12K |
| 19:11.45 | prpplague | LIMITED |
| 19:11.46 | prpplague | TIME |
| 19:11.46 | prpplague | OFFER! |
| 19:11.46 | prpplague | $5,412 |
| 19:11.52 | T0mW | oh, it's come down! |
| 19:12.18 | T0mW | interesting, I was looking at that about two years ago, it was a little over $12K |
| 19:12.56 | jbevren | prpplague: caps :P |
| 19:13.01 | prpplague | T0mW: so let me see if i understand the process |
| 19:13.08 | prpplague | jbevren: yea sorry paste, hehe |
| 19:13.15 | T0mW | I have the cradle & preheater, so, it would only cost me $3,450 |
| 19:13.16 | jbevren | Ive seen some interesting BGA mounting methods |
| 19:13.28 | prpplague | T0mW: you'd do one component on the board at a time? |
| 19:13.33 | jbevren | paste, stencil, and aluminum foil to direct heat from a standard heat lamp |
| 19:13.36 | jbevren | now that's a scary one |
| 19:13.40 | T0mW | prpplague: with what? |
| 19:13.51 | T0mW | jbevren: that is scary |
| 19:13.59 | prpplague | T0mW: that unit |
| 19:14.09 | prpplague | T0mW: you'd do all the bga chips first? |
| 19:14.29 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, one cap / resistor at a time, limited to type of component you can mount too. |
| 19:14.32 | prpplague | T0mW: then switch the placing another component? |
| 19:14.38 | jbevren | so |
| 19:14.42 | jbevren | I know I'd screw some up |
| 19:14.46 | jbevren | how do you re-ball bga's? |
| 19:15.13 | prpplague | T0mW: bga packaging is the only item we can't do inhouse |
| 19:15.21 | T0mW | prpplague: you will play hell to mount something with it's solder pads under the device: e.g. some SMD electrolytics have the solder pads *under* them |
| 19:16.04 | T0mW | prpplague: with toaster oven, you heat both the pcb + the component, better able to solder those electrolytics + other wierd components |
| 19:16.05 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, we tend to avoid those |
| 19:16.29 | prpplague | T0mW: main issue for us is doing bga, right now we are sending them out |
| 19:17.02 | T0mW | prpplague: well, for a cool $5K you do it yourself now! |
| 19:17.03 | T0mW | heh |
| 19:17.32 | T0mW | I will have to do that someday, I just want to avoid it as long as possible. |
| 19:19.25 | T0mW | jbevren: GAK! "Remove lid from ReBalling Tank (included in kit!). Place ReBalling Pan unit into the grooves of your ReBalling Tank. Pour appropriate Solder Spheres" |
| 19:19.43 | T0mW | jbevren: you mean to tell me that you have to put the solder balls back on?! |
| 19:20.18 | jbevren | T0mW: to ensure proper connection of all pads yeah |
| 19:20.18 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:20.34 | jbevren | many joints just wave-solder the underside |
| 19:20.34 | T0mW | forget that cr@p |
| 19:21.21 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, well, that 5k will have to also consider time factor and labor |
| 19:21.56 | T0mW | prpplague: Dave, get the hot air thingy and use it to mount your SMD stuff. |
| 19:22.21 | T0mW | prpplague: then, when you have had enough of it, we'll talk about the toaster oven again. hehhehhhheee |
| 19:22.27 | prpplague | T0mW: i can do the smd stuff by hand thats no problem, i was mainly interested in easy removal |
| 19:23.00 | prpplague | T0mW: i have a ton of qfp's i'd like to salvage |
| 19:23.31 | T0mW | prpplague: X-Acto knife, just cut the pins at the device "shoulder". then wipe the pins off the PCB with an iron, clean the pads with solder wick. |
| 19:23.47 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, "salvage" |
| 19:23.59 | prpplague | T0mW: i want the chip not the board, hehe |
| 19:24.28 | T0mW | prpplague: that low-temp cra^H^H^H alloy is terrible stuff to use! it is messy, you poison joint it gets into, it is nasty to clean off the pads, solder doesn't like it... |
| 19:24.40 | T0mW | prpplague: good luck |
| 19:25.07 | prpplague | T0mW: but doesn't the hot-air rework stuff take the chips of nicely? |
| 19:25.40 | T0mW | no |
| 19:25.45 | prpplague | T0mW: oh |
| 19:25.49 | prpplague | T0mW: i thought you said it did |
| 19:26.11 | T0mW | the temperatures used are so high that they can bake the silicon into goo |
| 19:26.54 | T0mW | you really got to pour a lot of heat onto the device to get all four sides to melt the solder on the pads, by then, your chip is pretty darned hot |
| 19:27.06 | prpplague | <prpplague> T0mW: does the hotair remove normally damage the component? |
| 19:27.07 | prpplague | <T0mW> prpplague: not for removal, X-acto knife works better at removing chips |
| 19:27.08 | jbevren | T0mW: So hrm |
| 19:27.24 | jbevren | T0mW: how about baking the board from underneath (hotplate?) and lifting with a vaccuum tool? |
| 19:27.24 | T0mW | max temp for a chip is 150C, solder melts at 180C |
| 19:27.48 | prpplague | hmm |
| 19:27.51 | T0mW | jbevren: you run the risk of delaminating the PCB |
| 19:27.55 | jbevren | my friend and I used to salvage old DIP packages by baking the board in an oven |
| 19:28.03 | jbevren | we'd bake it and then whack it against a 2x4 |
| 19:28.07 | prpplague | T0mW: not really interested in the pcb |
| 19:28.08 | jbevren | and pick up the resulting spray of components |
| 19:28.13 | T0mW | jbevren: oven, sure, you can control the temp |
| 19:28.28 | jbevren | tom: I was thinking of hotplate with a temp control of course |
| 19:28.37 | T0mW | prpplague: well, then that would work for you |
| 19:29.23 | jbevren | heh |
| 19:29.27 | jbevren | yeah, I'd not use a stove |
| 19:29.27 | prpplague | T0mW: i have no less that 50 boards with atmega128's and xilinx fpgas that i'd love to be able to us |
| 19:29.29 | prpplague | use |
| 19:29.34 | prpplague | s/that/than |
| 19:29.41 | T0mW | jbevren: it charred the PCB before the solder melted |
| 19:29.50 | jbevren | T0mW: too hot eh? :) |
| 19:30.22 | jbevren | T0mW: ive also seen air distribution tips (with four vents in a square) for pulling QFPs |
| 19:31.04 | T0mW | jbevren: Hakko, right? |
| 19:31.06 | prpplague | jbevren: yea those are available for that re-work station |
| 19:31.17 | jbevren | T0mW: unsure, I saw them on sparkfun iirc |
| 19:31.40 | jbevren | I'd love to see a hot-iron version with an opening for your vaccuum tip |
| 19:31.41 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:31.41 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/images/tips_group.jpg |
| 19:31.42 | T0mW | I looked at a Hakko setup, then looked at what it would cost for all those cups |
| 19:32.15 | jbevren | ack those look like a pita to attach/remove |
| 19:32.34 | T0mW | prpplague: that would be your best bet, at least it would keep the direct heat off the surface of the chip |
| 19:33.06 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i thought you understood that is what i would use |
| 19:33.16 | prpplague | T0mW: i think you were thinking of the straigh noozles |
| 19:33.24 | T0mW | jbevren: yeah, and you have that nice, big surface to burn yourself with! |
| 19:33.28 | jbevren | thats what I was thinking of :) |
| 19:33.37 | jbevren | tom :) |
| 19:33.45 | T0mW | heh |
| 19:34.00 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:34.12 | jbevren | think it'd be worth it? heh |
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| 19:34.35 | prpplague | the question i have would be able you heat that with the 4 way nozle how do you pick up the chip before the solder cools |
| 19:34.47 | jbevren | be quick |
| 19:34.49 | T0mW | jbevren: although, now, I have myself trained that when I reach for the heat (iron or air pencil), I will look while I grab for it. |
| 19:34.52 | prpplague | jbevren: nothing more than a dlpdesign module |
| 19:34.54 | jbevren | like using an iron and solder sucker |
| 19:35.12 | jbevren | prpplague: I guessed it was a 'standard' one |
| 19:35.17 | jbevren | since its supported by everyone and their dog |
| 19:35.23 | prpplague | jbevren: ?? |
| 19:35.30 | jbevren | prpplague: the usb jtagger |
| 19:35.38 | prpplague | jbevren: we talking about the new one listed on sfe? |
| 19:35.44 | jbevren | yeah |
| 19:35.47 | jbevren | the olimex one |
| 19:35.58 | prpplague | jbevren: yea thats just a standard ft2232 chip |
| 19:36.04 | jbevren | precisely heh |
| 19:36.23 | jbevren | I got a USBIO24 dip thingy |
| 19:36.30 | jbevren | I wish I'd have got the ft2232 instead heh |
| 19:36.37 | T0mW | hmm, RTS = 0, RTS = 1, DTR = 1, pump RTS a few more times, ... |
| 19:36.40 | jbevren | the USBIO24 is a ft2232 with a sx52 behind it |
| 19:36.43 | prpplague | jbevren: so why would you pay $70 for it? |
| 19:36.52 | jbevren | prpplague: shrug? heh |
| 19:37.12 | jbevren | prpplague: know of a schematic for the jtag setup on the ft2232? |
| 19:37.14 | T0mW | jbevren: what is that thing? a fancy remote control wiggler? |
| 19:37.25 | jbevren | T0mW: yeah |
| 19:37.29 | T0mW | ah |
| 19:37.39 | jbevren | usb->PIO chip |
| 19:37.42 | prpplague | jbevren: uh yea, hehe, the olimex module is a copy of the openjtag design |
| 19:37.47 | jbevren | it also has a power inverter to power your project |
| 19:37.51 | jbevren | prpplague: gotcha |
| 19:37.55 | jbevren | I'll look it up shortly |
| 19:38.03 | jbevren | T0mW: and a usb->serial adapter |
| 19:38.14 | T0mW | yeah, serial -> parallel |
| 19:38.35 | prpplague | http://openocd.berlios.de/web/ |
| 19:39.52 | T0mW | I found out that Advanced Circuits will only charge a $50 lot charge for their $33 special if you put multiple boards onto one panel |
| 19:40.12 | T0mW | jbevren: now, to get the groove thing built |
| 19:40.23 | T0mW | to score the boards |
| 19:41.16 | jbevren | prpplague: you know, Ive never been able to find anything useful on that blog |
| 19:41.17 | jbevren | heh |
| 19:41.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:42.21 | prpplague | jbevren: http://www.fh-augsburg.de/~hhoegl/proj/usbjtag/usbjtag.html |
| 19:43.06 | prpplague | jbevren: look familiar |
| 19:43.09 | prpplague | jbevren: ?? |
| 19:43.40 | jbevren | prpplague: picture that |
| 19:43.47 | jbevren | and add a sx52 to the outputs of the ft2232 |
| 19:43.50 | jbevren | thats what I have :P |
| 19:44.01 | T0mW | heh, was just looking at that schematic |
| 19:44.04 | jbevren | I cant get my dang ubicom tools to install (I got the ubicom starter kit) |
| 19:44.11 | jbevren | so I cant do much with the sx52 |
| 19:45.31 | jbevren | yay |
| 19:45.40 | jbevren | 1x agp+6x pci matrox |
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