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01:13.07CP|NotAtHomeits bad enough that you post URLs, its even worse that you post broken ones
01:55.14sunrunner20and its even worse that your an admin in this room and some how not know enough about HTML to know that if you knonck the # of the end it works perfeclty
02:06.56CP|NotAtHomeObviously adminship isn't merit based
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03:31.42agaffneyanyone know his email address?
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04:06.53flyback-CP|NotAtHome
04:06.55flyback-question
04:07.10flyback-how the hell is is possible I crack corners off a athlon cpu and it still works
04:12.53MonMothathe package doesn't matter.  As long as the die and lead frame are still fine, it'll probably still work
04:12.57MonMothaonly issues would usually be thermal
04:15.23flyback-no thi is the cire
04:15.25flyback-die
04:15.46flyback-athlons were flip chip nakked core
04:15.53flyback-a mistake amd corrected with the athlon64 :)
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05:08.27flyback-heheh
05:08.35flyback-I have a HX20 on that page
05:08.39flyback-brand new well was mint
05:08.51flyback-it sat ina store for 20 yrs it was covered with black filth so Itook it apart to clean it
05:09.04flyback-and well mom when cleaning my room kinda ran over the tape drive and printer
05:09.15flyback-wasn't going to use either anyways :P
05:09.28T0mWthat's what got me into designing hardware, the fact that I couldn't afford that stuff off-the-shelf an had to build my own.
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05:21.07flyback-ME TOO :)
05:21.13flyback-HOLY MOTHER OF CANUCK
05:21.14flyback-guys
05:21.16flyback-www.st.com
05:21.20flyback-they have a arm9e core
05:21.29flyback-544 flash, 96kb sram
05:21.35flyback-the sram is battery backed up
05:21.49flyback-onboard ether
05:21.54flyback-looks sweet
05:22.15flyback-if they price it right, they will give philips, etc hell :P
05:23.41flyback-it's called the str9
05:23.42flyback-bbl
05:23.59T0mWSGS-Thompson doesn't have a good reputation for their products.
05:24.34T0mWThier current line of ARM processors have a lot of "issues"
05:25.37T0mWPhilips Semi is the old Signetics Semi, both companies have a good reputation for delivering a good product, and fixing it when it is broken.
05:26.19T0mWSGS-Thompson is more of a "me too!" company.
05:47.23MonMothaT0mW: but do they make Write Only Memory?
05:49.12T0mWMonMotha: why certainly they have WOM
05:49.31MonMothaST or Philips/Signetics?
05:49.47T0mWaka WORN memory, Write Once, Read Never
06:11.39T0mWfun, fun
06:12.03T0mWlittlechips sells a nice s3c2410 SBC w/TFT LCD
06:12.13T0mWbut, their linux support is crap: 2.6.13
06:12.33T0mWI'm slugging with getting it to run 2.6.17
06:29.19flyback-oh
06:29.35flyback-HAHHAHA
06:29.36flyback-WORN
06:30.00T0mWI used a lot of WORN memory, you?
06:30.08flyback-no
06:30.11flyback-just funn
06:30.12flyback-y
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06:30.22flyback-man you guys wouldn't believe all the stuff this dead copier yielded
06:35.06MonMothaT0mW: I've found that it can be hard to buy WORN memory from most manufacturers these days.  I just create my own by running 3.3V SRAM at 24VAC.
06:35.21MonMothathat's for the filaments, of course
06:35.54flyback-HAHAHAHA
06:36.15T0mWheh, you let the magic smoke out
06:37.11MonMothaT0mW: I thought I was just burning off the factory protective coating...
06:38.04T0mWpeel it off, not evaporate it off!
06:38.58flyback-speaking of pealing it off
06:39.13flyback-woohoo
06:40.17T0mWflyback: "merry maidens"?
06:40.27flyback-na
06:40.31flyback-whatever that is
06:41.06flyback-she closed the door!
06:41.12flyback-WHY GOD WHY
06:42.35MonMothaflyback: chill.  I'm sure there's plenty of other pr0n on TV.  If not, you are on the world's largest porn network
06:43.05flyback-na not really into porn
06:43.20flyback-stuff on tv catches my eye, past that it's just too much
06:44.22T0mWMonMotha: #edev is a pr0n resource?
06:45.49flyback-hah
06:47.58MonMothaT0mW: I was referrign to the internet :)
06:48.40flyback-90% of the porn on the net makes me ill
06:48.54flyback-i've run into almost all of it because of idiots pasting trick urls in channels
06:49.10flyback-you guys remeber benny hill?
07:04.20MonMothaLatest RFC:s
07:04.21MonMotha<PROTECTED>
07:04.33MonMothaI think /. traveled back 25 years in time...
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07:32.56T0mWtrouble with working nights in a small town is that the only thing open is WaWa (convenience store) and WalMart.  :(
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08:14.20MonMothahum, Atmel appears to be having some corporate issues...
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11:03.22T0mWWAAAAH!
11:40.53sunrunner20BRICKED?
11:40.56sunrunner20*bricked
11:41.07T0mW:(
11:41.49T0mWI put uboot back into it, but uboot won't
11:41.50T0mWheh
11:43.05sunrunner20so?
11:43.08sunrunner20its got jtag
11:43.11sunrunner20fix it with jtag
11:43.35T0mWtrying that now
11:43.54T0mWtheir uboot.bin won't boot, so I'm building a new one
11:45.43T0mWgcc-2.95.3?!
11:45.51T0mWwankers
11:52.22flyback-hhahahah
11:52.32flyback-you stupid canuck
11:53.04flyback-:P
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14:39.51jbevrenyawn
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14:50.52prpplaguei hate dealing with government agencies
14:51.12CosmicPenguinThey go out of their way to hate you
14:51.13CosmicPenguinits true
14:51.43prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, plus our income tax system is screwed
14:51.53CosmicPenguinour=barbados or our=us?
14:52.00prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i did a small side job for abcsinc in 2005
14:52.05prpplagueCosmicPenguin: US
14:52.16prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i still have to pay taxes
14:52.16CosmicPenguinprpplague: oh, yeah - you don't have to tell me
14:52.31CosmicPenguintry being a DINK
14:52.32prpplagueCosmicPenguin: made about $4k of this one little job
14:52.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: and blame, its gonna cost me about $3k in extra taxes
14:52.59CosmicPenguinheh
14:53.04chouimat<PROTECTED>
14:53.05prpplagueCosmicPenguin: doesn't make much sense to even work
14:53.13CosmicPenguinprpplague: in fact, if you don'
14:53.25CosmicPenguindon't work - you can score *other* people's tax money
14:53.27prpplaguechouimat: yea, we've already been talking about it
14:53.33prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
14:54.42prpplaguethis 2005 and 2006 will be the highest taxes i've ever paid
14:55.01prpplaguewhich is insult to injury
14:55.12prpplaguebecause the are high because i'm living overseas
14:56.15prpplaguethey punish you because "you are taking money out of the US economy" but its not exactly like you have a check box for "living outside of the country due to immigration"
14:56.18agaffneyanyone know sorphin's email address?
14:56.29prpplague~sorphin
14:56.31purlsorphin is probably sorphin, or a Network Security lackey, or sorphin at gmail dot com
14:56.45CosmicPenguinder bot knows all
14:57.01prpplague~wheres my wife's visa?
14:57.08T0mWprpplague: yeah, you got all those expensive CIA type people watching you.
14:57.20chouimatprpplague: like we say here "Le gouvernement veut ton bien ... et il va l'avoir" (translate in english to something like: the gov only want you good and it will get it)
14:57.39prpplaguechouimat: oh oh oh oh
14:57.44prpplaguechouimat: got a good one for you
14:58.18prpplaguechouimat: chandler has discovered william shakespeare
14:58.27chouimatnice
14:58.34prpplaguechouimat: was looking at pictures and reading some kids versions of his works on the net
14:58.40prpplaguechouimat: so here is the funny part
14:58.51prpplaguechouimat: he asked me where shakespeare was from
14:59.06prpplaguechouimat: i said he was from england to which he responded....
14:59.32prpplaguechouimat: "he's too freaky looking to be from england, he must be from someplace weird like CANADA!"
14:59.40chouimathehe
14:59.46chouimatprpplague: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2247 and http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2248
14:59.47T0mWlol
14:59.55prpplaguei nearly laughed my self crazy
15:00.09T0mWprpplague: how old is the kid?
15:00.19prpplagueT0mW: 9 last saturday
15:00.25CosmicPenguinheh
15:00.28T0mWhe'll go far
15:00.55T0mWthe kid is born diplomat!
15:01.02prpplaguehehe
15:01.06jbevrenhehe
15:01.16jbevrenanyone knows that Shakespeare is from stratford-on-avon
15:01.43agaffneyprpplague: hurray for purl :P
15:01.51prpplague~agaffney
15:02.16prpplagueagaffney: looks like you need to teach purl something about yourself
15:02.56agaffney~agaffney
15:02.58purl[agaffney] a big doofus
15:03.21T0mWprpplague: do you understand the SDRAM crap^H^H^H^H programming for the s3c2410?
15:03.30agaffney~agaffney
15:03.31purlmethinks agaffney is a big doofus
15:03.37agaffneythere we go :P
15:03.39T0mWheh
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15:03.58prpplagueT0mW: yea, seems a little weird at first, but its pretty straight forward
15:04.17T0mWprpplague: it looks like i've got a burst problem
15:04.23prpplagueT0mW: hehe remember when we were first bringing up our s3c2410 board we had sdram problems
15:04.31T0mWnod
15:04.31jbevrenpurl: agaffney is also a self-proclaimed big doffus
15:04.32purlokay, jbevren
15:04.38jbevrenagaffney :)
15:04.46prpplagueT0mW: using the littlechips board?
15:04.46agaffney~agaffney
15:04.48purlit has been said that agaffney is a big doofus, or a self-proclaimed big doffus
15:04.53agaffneyheh
15:04.54jbevrenshame I mistyped doofus :(
15:04.57T0mWprpplague: yeah, almost sorry I got it
15:05.03prpplagueT0mW: oh?
15:05.05prpplagueT0mW: why?
15:05.15T0mWprpplague: their docs suck
15:05.26prpplagueT0mW: yea, but what do you need them for?
15:05.30T0mWprpplague: you have to hunt for everything
15:05.31prpplagueT0mW: all you need is a schematic
15:06.04T0mWprpplague: well, their pcb layout pdf is rather lousy to try to find something, like r10
15:06.42prpplagueT0mW: hehe, yea, you can use the pdf search option to find items like that
15:06.47T0mWprpplague: within the doc, sure
15:07.07T0mWprpplague: anyway
15:07.12prpplagueT0mW: oh you actually print yours? hehe
15:07.33T0mWthis is what I got, I bricked the unit, stupidly blew the uboot out
15:07.34prpplagueT0mW: look at the startup code in the u-boot
15:07.39prpplagueT0mW: hehe
15:07.42prpplagueT0mW: fun fun
15:07.54prpplagueT0mW: and iirc they have no jtag code posted
15:08.07T0mWprpplague: BINGO!
15:08.11prpplagueT0mW: you've got a bdi don't you?
15:08.17T0mWprpplague: not much else either,
15:08.18T0mWyeah
15:08.35T0mWprpplague: don't tell me you got a bdi config?
15:08.43prpplaguehehe, naw
15:08.59prpplagueT0mW: i have a jtag app for it, but it uses a parport dongle
15:09.03T0mWok, so the last three hours aren't a waste then
15:09.30prpplagueT0mW: i've got the code archived on cd at the house, i can get it for you tonight
15:09.37T0mWhere's what's happening: if I fill / set ram, everything looks good.
15:10.01T0mWbut, if I load a file into the ram, it does it spotty
15:10.21prpplagueyea, sounds like a settings issue
15:10.34prpplagueT0mW: you just writting to the sdram registers for setup?
15:11.04T0mWlike every 252 bytes it puts data, skips 0x200, then spots 252 bytes, skips 0x200
15:11.23T0mWooo!
15:11.49T0mWnot 252, 504 bytes, then skips a K (0x400)
15:12.10T0mWwierd
15:12.48prpplagueinteresting
15:12.58T0mWNO, IT IS NOT!
15:12.58prpplaguewhat values are you using for the your bank config?
15:13.01T0mWheh
15:13.42T0mWb6 & b7 == 0x0001800a
15:13.48CosmicPenguinWhat is this - a Nigerian scam?
15:13.53CosmicPenguinI'm not telling you my bank config!
15:13.59T0mW:P
15:14.05T0mW~twap CosmicPenguin
15:14.15T0mW~thwap CosmicPenguin
15:14.17purlACTION thwaps CosmicPenguin on the nose with a 2 by 4
15:14.39prpplagueT0mW: hmm think that should be 0x00018005
15:15.11T0mW3clocks Trcd
15:15.22T0mW9 bit?
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15:15.50T0mWI've 64Meg total X 2 devices
15:16.02T0mWtwo 32meg'ers
15:16.09prpplagueT0mW: yea, my code shows it as 18005
15:16.52T0mWoops
15:17.09T0mWgot sometthing different that time
15:18.11T0mWooo, prefetch abort
15:19.05prpplagueinteresting
15:19.26prpplaguewhat value do you have for bswcon
15:19.33prpplaguebwscon
15:19.43T0mW0x2211111112
15:20.00T0mWtoo many of something there...
15:20.24prpplagueT0mW: yea, what i have is 0x22111110
15:20.59T0mW0x22111122
15:21.45prpplagueT0mW: you are just trying to run a program from sdram right?
15:21.54T0mWyeah
15:21.57prpplagueT0mW: or are you trying to write to the nor flash as well?
15:22.42prpplagueT0mW: what values do you have for refresh and banksize?
15:22.43T0mWboth, really, I was trying to put uboot back in, then found that the RAM controller wasn't programmed correctly in the bdi config...
15:24.00T0mWbanksize 0x20
15:24.15prpplagueshould be 0xb2
15:24.19T0mWrefresh 0x9c0459
15:24.43agaffneyanyone know the hex value for the green color typically used in VT220/VT320 terminals?
15:24.51agaffneyor the amber?
15:24.57prpplaguerefresh should be 0x8e0459
15:25.18prpplagueagaffney: thats gonna be dependent on alot of things
15:25.29agaffneyeven something relatively close
15:25.33prpplagueagaffney: but you can google the generic ansi escape codes
15:25.44prpplagueagaffney: or are you wanting a rgb color value?
15:25.50agaffneyI'm talking about a hex RGB equivelant
15:25.54prpplagueahh
15:26.06T0mWprpplague: mrsrb6/7 is 0x30
15:26.37prpplagueyea
15:26.39prpplaguethats correct
15:26.52T0mWyay! I got one right!
15:27.07prpplaguehehe
15:27.15prpplaguethose are all pretty tolerant values
15:27.21prpplagueshould work
15:27.45prpplagueT0mW: i guess i should get my littlechips board out of storage
15:30.17T0mWsigh, still screws up on the load.
15:30.28T0mWprpplague: I got to get some food,
15:30.32prpplagueT0mW: ok
15:30.41T0mWI'll get back at this later, thanks
15:31.09prpplaguenp
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15:39.47isenbeckprpplague, you should have a nice conch burger..............
15:48.30jbevrenhm
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16:01.10prpplaguehehe, they don't have conch here
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17:55.05prpplaguergb_lmno: greetings
17:56.51rgb_lmnohiya!
17:57.22rgb_lmnouh, billybob!  ;-)
17:57.48prpplaguergb_lmno: don't believe i've seen you around here before
18:25.59jbevrenapparently he's already gone
18:26.00jbevrenlol
18:31.46rgb_lmnonope, still here...  just distracted...
18:32.14rgb_lmnoyou've not seen me around here before, but I'm not a newbie in the linux or embedded scene...
18:35.26jbevrenrgb_lmno: ah
18:35.31jbevren<- new
18:35.32jbevrenhehe
18:36.04jbevrenclosest thing Ive done to an embedded system is cramming linux and Xf86 3.6 into an 8M ramdisk
18:36.21jbevrenalthough I did do the primary discovery for the pixter multimedia project
18:37.09jbevrenrgb_lmno: hmm hammond on a trailer heh
18:37.28rgb_lmno:D    that gig was a complete blast
18:37.40jbevrenwhen I was young, I had a T-312
18:37.44rgb_lmnonot just any trailer...
18:37.52jbevrenI let a B-3 slip by at a local shop because I didnt have room at home :(
18:38.16rgb_lmnoI'm currently looking for a hammond spinnet
18:38.35jbevrenT's and B's are both spinets
18:38.47jbevrenthe T is solid-state
18:38.52jbevrenI dont believe the B is though
18:38.54rgb_lmnob's aren't what I understand to be spinets...
18:39.03jbevrenoh, I thought they were
18:39.05jbevrenmy error
18:39.16jbevrenspinet means they run on a tone-wheel engine, correct?
18:39.17prpplaguergb_lmno: cool
18:39.25rgb_lmnotube models with an amp and speakers built-in are what I interpreted to be a spinet...
18:39.34jbevrenahh
18:39.47rgb_lmnoI'm certainly no expert...
18:39.48jbevrenthe spinet is a motor that spins a number (usually around 100) of wheels on a motor
18:40.02jbevrenmagnetic pickups get the tone off these specially-shaped wheels
18:40.17prpplaguejbevren: you fool you let a b-3 go?
18:40.20rgb_lmnoI'm looking for an m2, m3, a101 or such, with a same or smaller footprint than a C3 to fit that trailer
18:40.29jbevrenthe tones are all individually pre-amped, and then switched through a complex key mech (my T-series had 12 switches under the upper manual on -each- key)
18:40.43rgb_lmnoI thought it was 96 tonewheels...
18:40.47jbevrenwhere was I to put a b? :)
18:41.32prpplaguejbevren: hehe, you could have made a fortune of that
18:41.37rgb_lmnoanyways...  I hadn't intended to start an off-topic discussion, but if that's ok with the channel founders, fine by me.  :)
18:41.46jbevrenprpplague: I'm aware.  They -watned- a fortune
18:41.50jbevrenless than normal though, it needed cleaned
18:42.02jbevrenhalf the drawbars were so scratchy you had to wiggle them just right to get sound
18:42.24jbevrenrgb_lmno: someone with an op will stop the discussion if it's deemed inappropriate
18:42.29jbevren:)
18:43.26jbevrenrgb_lmno: my T had the spring reverb and leslie addon built in
18:43.35jbevrenit also had a small rhythm rail (no arpeggiator though)
18:43.45rgb_lmnoI was the FreeS/WAN kernel guy for over 5 years...  I've been working for an Ottawa-based digital video camera company using embedded linux on our security cameras.
18:43.59jbevrenneat
18:44.01rgb_lmnoI'd really love to have a c3 with a leslie, but I just don't have the room.
18:44.25jbevrenif prpplague and others dont mind staying offtopic,
18:44.30jbevrenI'd love to build a 4seater bike
18:44.36jbevrenfour wheels, similar to a car
18:44.42jbevrenall four people would pedal heh
18:44.46rgb_lmnoI'll settle for an spinet with a built-in speaker and rent/borrow a leslie for bigger mobile gigs...
18:45.14prpplagueok with me
18:45.25rgb_lmnojbevren, you mean like a zem.ch?
18:45.41jbevrenis that a website?
18:45.56rgb_lmnoTransport Canada has an electric assist 4-seater that I've ridden a number of times.
18:46.00rgb_lmnohttp://zem.ch
18:46.05prpplaguecool
18:46.12jbevrenah
18:46.15jbevrenyeah, but more recumbant
18:46.42jbevrenon the 4cycle zem, you can see the front two riders are nicely recumbant
18:46.46rgb_lmnoI've not seen any 4-wheel, 4-seaters that were beyond semi-recumbent...
18:47.52jbevrenI pictured a design more like a golf cart, with a sun canopy heh
18:48.53jbevrenthis is a very interesting design though
18:49.25prpplaguergb_lmno: man those would sell well here
18:50.25jbevrenthe transmission is almost exactly wheat I was thinking of
18:50.37rgb_lmnoI've been trying to enable passwords on telnetd under snapgear.  we've had telnet working for a long time without passwords with a single user (root).  our threat model assumed a physically secure isolated network.
18:51.25rgb_lmnoprpplague, where are you?  they are pricey and there are classification, licencing and insurance issues here in north america.  lots of protectionism...
18:51.56prpplaguei'm currently living barbados, but not by choice
18:52.05rgb_lmnoI think someone actually brought one into NYC for a pedicab-like business
18:52.19rgb_lmnoprpplague, gee, that sounds rough...
18:52.46prpplaguergb_lmno: well for a geek its hell
18:53.56youamprpplague: i'd love to live somewhere where the first google-hit matches /tourism/ - even as a geek
18:54.10rgb_lmnoprpplague, no bandwidth?
18:57.24prpplaguergb_lmno: no, the bandwidth is fine, just nothing else here, no tech, no electronics shops, no geeks, mostly ag type people
19:00.19rgb_lmnoso, enabling password auth on snapgear?
19:01.31prpplaguergb_lmno: probably need to look at what password features are in the build
19:01.47prpplaguergb_lmno: i suspect that your probably have something that is busybox based with no password features
19:02.03prpplaguergb_lmno: either that or you have the feature compiled in with no passwords set
19:02.16prpplaguergb_lmno: check the /etc/passwd file
19:03.26jbevrenrgb_lmno: did you build the recumbant tricycle on your site?
19:05.42rgb_lmnothere is an /etc/passwd file, but there isn't a /etc/shadow file...  that may just mean it isn't a modern setup...
19:06.31rgb_lmnoI have enabled a couple of password utils in the config (one of them was a busybox one) and I don't end up with a passwd binary.
19:07.22rgb_lmnoit is telnetd/telnetd that I have been using.  I could use the busybox one if that helps, but other factors seem to suggest it doesn't matter, yet.
19:07.39rgb_lmnoit has to be something really simple...
19:18.18rgb_lmnojbevren, the tandem recumbent trike was build by australian company greenspeed.com.au
19:18.29jbevrenhold on
19:18.31rgb_lmnohttp://tricolour.net/gtvs6.html
19:18.33jbevrenopenoffice just f/cked my system
19:18.37jbevrenI'm quite irate
19:18.44rgb_lmnounderstandably...
19:18.55jbevrena user application should NOT be able to take a system down
19:19.04rgb_lmnoI've had it steal random meta key up or down strokes...
19:19.09jbevrenrgb_lmno: I wasnt speaking of the tandem one btw
19:19.12rgb_lmnojbevren, agreed!
19:19.20jbevrenrgb_lmno: this was a GUI error
19:19.24jbevrenI clicked the 'view' menu
19:19.32jbevrenit never came up and I lost all key/mouse response
19:19.42jbevrenopenoffice is no longer installed on my systems
19:19.49rgb_lmnothe only recumbent trike I have is convertible from tandem to solo
19:20.18rgb_lmnounless you're looking at http://hpv.tricolour.net
19:20.28jbevrenhttp://tricolour.net/photos/2003/08/22/14-30-42.html <-
19:20.58jbevrenthis is the one
19:21.06jbevrenI honestly havent seen a trike with two front wheels
19:21.37rgb_lmnothat's Jay Dixon's (from London, ON) ecocycle.ca (from Windsor, ON) prototype
19:22.20jbevrenahh
19:22.42rgb_lmnotrikes with 2 front wheels are generally higher performance.  you generally slow into corners, shifting your CoG forward and outwards, which is exactly where you want that wheel!
19:23.57rgb_lmnoagain, go see http://tricolour.net/gtvs6.html  that's my trike.
19:24.20jbevrennod, I'll look
19:25.19jbevrenthat 14speed hub is insane
19:25.34rgb_lmnothat hub is awesome!
19:25.51rgb_lmnoit was originally designed for mountain biking
19:29.07jbevrenoh I like the overhead rack to hold the canoe
19:29.17jbevrenI first thought of it ias a sort of roll cage
19:29.43rgb_lmnoheh, not nearly strong enough for roll cage...
19:31.04jbevrenwell, I imagine it would help stop the trike from rolling over on itself
19:31.36jbevrenwhat material is streched across the seats btw
19:32.22rgb_lmnosome nylon mesh...  kinda like lawn chair material...  very susceptible to UV disintigration
19:32.25jbevrenrgb_lmno: do you remember how much the 14-speed hub weighs?
19:33.46sunrunner20lol
19:33.49sunrunner20for what they cost
19:33.54rgb_lmnoshould be in the spec sheet...  3 lbs?
19:33.59sunrunner20you would think duggies could afford to buy clean needles...
19:34.41sunrunner20$12 for ten
19:35.18sunrunner20*wonders how to get them w/o parrents knowing*
19:40.36jbevrenhm
19:40.39jbevrenI need to take up welding
19:40.40jbevrenhehe
19:40.44sunrunner20ditto :p
19:40.56sunrunner20i will as soon as parrents by a welder
19:41.29jbevrenI'm certainly not going to manage to bulid my creations without knowing how to bend and weld
19:41.30rgb_lmnoheh, I just bought a used welder about a month ago.  $150.  straight arc, a bit messy.  fortunately, this welder is convertible to a MIG
19:41.42jbevrennod
19:41.49jbevrenI'll probably wind up getting a stick welder
19:42.00sunrunner20acetelene :p
19:42.01jbevrena friend of mine got a MIG years ago
19:42.10jbevrenthe guy that sold it couldnt make the mig wire stick
19:42.19rgb_lmnoI don't think I'll try to learn on something I intend to ride...  I'll start with a driveway gate or something...
19:42.20jbevrenas it turns out, he had the polarity reversed on the output :D
19:42.29rgb_lmnoheh
19:42.32rgb_lmnooops
19:42.49jbevrenrgb_lmno: Heh.  I'd be wacking the welded joints with a good hammer
19:42.52rgb_lmnomy instructions are pretty clear about reversing the polarity on conversion...
19:42.52jbevrenI know that much about welding
19:43.28jbevrenrgb_lmno: although, I may attempt to learn on a bike trailer
19:50.58jbevrenhm anyone know much about overland DLT autoloaders?
19:58.23jbevrenhttp://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/971157.jpg
19:58.26jbevrenhehe
19:58.34jbevrensorry, wrong channel.. still a good poster
19:59.22prpplaguehehe
20:01.26jbevrenrgb_lmno: more questions. :) Where did you get the windshield?
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20:13.55rgb_lmnojbevren, fairing came from windwrap.com, mark mueller
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22:44.36flybackman that toner gets intoe verything
22:49.13prpplagueho ho hu,
22:49.17prpplaguehum
23:02.57flybackhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA2pcoSz1aU
23:03.04flybackyou should build a few prpplague
23:03.07flybacksell them on the island
23:49.00sunrunner20man
23:49.21sunrunner20i get to blow out computers and teach the new recrutes tammrow :\

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