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| 03:36.24 | jbevren | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6007597704.html |
| 03:36.27 | jbevren | $cheap |
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| 07:41.25 | T0mW | ~apex |
| 07:41.30 | purl | i heard apex is a tiny arm bootloader done by marc singer, or http://projects.buici.com/apex/, or a hackable dvd player http://www.nerd-out.com/darrenk/ |
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| 09:08.53 | Pix | hi people |
| 09:09.19 | Pix | i'd like to know if there is subversion 'macros' to download software from subversion instead of http, in a package makefile ? |
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| 11:35.35 | threw | hi all |
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| 12:48.05 | threw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:31.02 | sjhill | prpplague: good morning redneck |
| 13:31.33 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 13:31.36 | prpplague | sjhill: thats me |
| 13:31.42 | prpplague | sjhill: redneck hacker |
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| 13:56.32 | jbevren | yawn. |
| 14:04.08 | threw | jbevren: re ;) |
| 14:34.40 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.41 | jbevren | lol |
| 14:34.42 | jbevren | nice try |
| 14:43.50 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:56.07 | prpplague | davidc__: any progress on a new version of the camera stuff? |
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| 15:03.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they had a nice pic of a amd quad motherboard from lwce |
| 15:03.26 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:04.57 | sjhill | *drool* |
| 15:05.35 | prpplague | oh my! look at this puppy - http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/08/17/road_handypc_targets_nokia/ |
| 15:06.39 | jbevren | nice |
| 15:06.42 | jbevren | 5-row kbd |
| 15:06.44 | jbevren | I'll take one |
| 15:06.52 | jbevren | is that qtopia? |
| 15:07.23 | CosmicPenguin | looks like it |
| 15:07.41 | CosmicPenguin | heh - and the webpage says it too |
| 15:08.02 | chouimat | prpplague: nice |
| 15:09.08 | jbevren | a little key remapping and I'm good to go :) |
| 15:09.26 | prpplague | yea it looks really nice |
| 15:09.36 | prpplague | i'm not a cell phone person, but i'd use one like that |
| 15:10.51 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm looking at getting a greenphone (depending on the price) |
| 15:11.18 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, the guess right now is about $700, and yea so am i |
| 15:11.32 | prpplague | chouimat: of course, i'd trash the trolltech crap |
| 15:12.23 | chouimat | prpplague: iirc the only thing not opensource with the greenphone is the modem/phone driver ... |
| 15:12.48 | prpplague | yea, which worries me because they are still using a 2.4 kernel |
| 15:13.00 | CosmicPenguin | *you* are worried about somebody using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 15:13.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:13.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yes i normally piss and moan about using older stuff, but the 2.6 kernel is alot more stable now |
| 15:14.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there isn't any reason they shouldn't be using 2.6 now |
| 15:14.47 | prpplague | i suspect that the only reason they are still using 2.4.17 is thats the last kernel that MV helped them with |
| 15:14.55 | chouimat | :) |
| 15:15.48 | jbevren | prpplague: The biggest complaint is that people dont know what kernel to use |
| 15:15.56 | jbevren | because of the 2.6.17.3.1.33.2.1.44.5.12 versions |
| 15:16.02 | jbevren | I tell them |
| 15:16.04 | jbevren | grow up :) |
| 15:17.12 | chouimat | jbevren: I have a 2.6.18-rc4-mm(something) based kernel here and it's a lot more stable than 2.6.17.78797897987.3.14.15927 |
| 15:17.40 | jbevren | chouimat: shaddup :) |
| 15:18.27 | chouimat | jbevren: ok I will just sitdown and shaddap |
| 15:21.04 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:30.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey |
| 15:30.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how did your arguments about the OLPC sales in the states go? |
| 15:30.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe their an archive accessable somewhere, i'm curious |
| 15:31.32 | CosmicPenguin | its all on the wiki |
| 15:31.55 | prpplague | olpc.org? |
| 15:32.43 | prpplague | nm found it |
| 15:34.15 | prpplague | well i found the wiki, hehe |
| 15:37.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which list was it on? |
| 15:38.20 | prpplague | hmm, doesn't matter, doesn't look like they have the lists archive uptodate |
| 15:38.40 | CosmicPenguin | its on the wiki |
| 15:40.18 | prpplague | the discussion is on the wiki? |
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| 16:07.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think when i get back to the states i'm gonna take some time off and go visit some of the breweries there in co |
| 16:08.11 | CosmicPenguin | you should |
| 16:10.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows the new job description working out for you? |
| 16:10.39 | CosmicPenguin | horribly |
| 16:11.07 | prpplague | hmm, sorry to hear that |
| 16:12.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i saw in one of the #elinux logs that kergoth changed jobs again |
| 16:12.51 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 16:14.27 | prpplague | its a wonder that he can get hired anywhere because he doesn't stay long |
| 16:14.48 | CosmicPenguin | I tend to be one myself |
| 16:15.15 | prpplague | yea i guess that fits in better with the big corp stuff |
| 16:15.23 | prpplague | doesn't do well with smaller companies |
| 16:16.43 | prpplague | http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/ptech/08/17/100.dollar.laptops.ap/index.html |
| 16:20.24 | jbevren | I want to buy a $100 laptop |
| 16:20.26 | jbevren | bah :) |
| 16:21.08 | CosmicPenguin | no you don't |
| 16:21.18 | jbevren | are you sure? |
| 16:21.30 | CosmicPenguin | positive |
| 16:21.37 | CosmicPenguin | what about it seems attractive to you |
| 16:21.48 | jbevren | its bright green! |
| 16:21.54 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:22.03 | CosmicPenguin | Not the most recent prototype |
| 16:22.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: basically what i'm looking for is something like the zipit, just a little larger, with color screen, with some removable storage, audio, and maybe a usb host |
| 16:23.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: basically what i built from the kids laptop stuff |
| 16:24.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but i agree the OLPC doesn't need to be commercialized |
| 16:24.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: private companies will probably do something own their |
| 16:25.33 | CosmicPenguin | understand that these things are purposely designed for children |
| 16:25.54 | CosmicPenguin | children who haven't been exposed to computers before |
| 16:26.12 | prpplague | yep |
| 16:27.14 | CosmicPenguin | US children (including jbevren) are well experienced with much more powerful machines |
| 16:27.34 | CosmicPenguin | and well experienced with a generic operating system like Linux and Windows |
| 16:29.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, but the problem is there is no middle ground, you get those items like the vtech and oregon scientific stuff that is really low end, and the next step up is a relatively expensive laptop of $400-500 USD |
| 16:31.28 | chouimat | yup |
| 16:31.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats the problem with doing large projects like OLPC, lots of people have different mental goals |
| 16:31.57 | CosmicPenguin | OLPC is definately very focused |
| 16:32.03 | CosmicPenguin | I think thats whats irritating people |
| 16:32.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: unless the project is well organized, and well defined, the personalities will take over |
| 16:32.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea i gathered that from reading |
| 16:32.34 | CosmicPenguin | OLPC is purposely ignoring people like jbevren - they have no interest in selling these boards to the average geek |
| 16:33.22 | prpplague | yep |
| 16:33.38 | CosmicPenguin | you can't buy one - go away.. :) |
| 16:33.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:34.08 | prpplague | thats why i say, if these folks want one for commercial purchase, then start your own project |
| 16:34.13 | CosmicPenguin | also, most of the noise on the wiki are just people who come in late to the game, but want to make their opinion known |
| 16:34.28 | prpplague | yea i got that too |
| 16:34.31 | CosmicPenguin | most of what is on the wiki is not the official opinion of the OLPC project |
| 16:34.45 | CosmicPenguin | If you want to buy a geode, I've got lots of liniks |
| 16:35.24 | prpplague | i think its the packaging thats creating the interest |
| 16:35.37 | prpplague | i don't think its so much the guts |
| 16:35.57 | prpplague | just my opinion |
| 16:36.27 | CosmicPenguin | agreed |
| 16:36.36 | prpplague | the fact that for desktops you can go choose from a hundred different cases and such, and for laptops you can't |
| 16:37.02 | prpplague | if there were some standard for laptop cases...... |
| 16:38.09 | prpplague | i mean if you could purchase some laptop case that had a documented lcd panel, and some generic abs plastic knock out panels |
| 16:38.21 | prpplague | where you could shove your own board in |
| 16:38.25 | prpplague | that would be really nice |
| 16:38.38 | prpplague | thats why chose the kids laptop stuff |
| 16:39.04 | prpplague | basically those are inexpensive laptop cases with a relatively large internal area for generic boards |
| 16:39.58 | prpplague | if someone like vtech or oregon scientific would offer their cases for experimenters they would sell like hot cakes imho |
| 16:41.20 | prpplague | pactec already makes a bunch of handheld cases, and they sell really well |
| 16:43.49 | prpplague | http://www.pactecenclosures.com/Plastic-Enclosures/PP-Series.html |
| 16:45.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i have a couple of these - http://www.pactecenclosures.com/Plastic-Enclosures/TS.html |
| 16:45.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: made into a home brew pda |
| 16:45.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: using palm iii lcd |
| 17:01.21 | jbevren | -- A federal judge ruled Thursday that the government's warrantless wiretapping program is unconstitutional and ordered an immediate halt to it. |
| 17:01.25 | jbevren | http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/17/domesticspying.lawsuit.ap/index.html |
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| 17:03.12 | prpplague | samrobb_: greetings |
| 17:03.29 | samrobb_ | Holla |
| 17:03.42 | prpplague | samrobb_: whats cookin today? |
| 17:04.02 | samrobb_ | Managed to hose the fs on my main system yesterday |
| 17:04.12 | samrobb_ | Spent the morning getting acquainted with fsck |
| 17:04.42 | prpplague | lovely |
| 17:05.04 | samrobb_ | I want to find the guy who invented journaling file systems and give him a big, wet, sloppy kiss |
| 17:05.27 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:05.42 | jbevren | it first became popular on BeOS (?) |
| 17:06.04 | prpplague | for some reason i thought there was some in os2 |
| 17:06.15 | jbevren | os2 uses mdsodsfs I thought |
| 17:06.24 | jbevren | s/ods/dos/ |
| 17:06.29 | jbevren | hm |
| 17:06.33 | jbevren | mostly right |
| 17:06.35 | jbevren | you know what I mean |
| 17:08.42 | youam | os/2 used HTFS, something like NTFS |
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| 17:08.58 | youam | as os/2 and nt share some origins |
| 17:09.08 | jbevren | oh, youre right |
| 17:09.53 | prpplague | hmm, isn't htfs what sco openserver used in version later than 3? |
| 17:10.06 | youam | jbevren: of course :) |
| 17:10.46 | jbevren | youam: shut it hehe |
| 17:11.20 | jbevren | Mac's HFS had some sort of recovery with their b*tree fs |
| 17:11.55 | youam | isn't hfs+ some kind of ufs? |
| 17:12.19 | youam | (as is ext2fs/ext3fs) |
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| 17:15.02 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: re |
| 17:15.14 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: hows life at MV these days? |
| 17:15.53 | dfarnsworth | hi prpplague, quite good inmy little corner of the world |
| 17:15.59 | jbevren | nope |
| 17:16.14 | jbevren | HFS is a forked filesystem designed for apple based on MFS (another forked FS but lacking subdirectories) |
| 17:16.20 | jbevren | er not for, by |
| 17:17.05 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: cool |
| 17:17.16 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: where are you based out of anyway? |
| 17:17.29 | dfarnsworth | prpplague, nothing too exciting. just doing a mvista port of a freescale dual core board (8641) |
| 17:17.37 | sjhill | hey dfarnsworth |
| 17:17.42 | dfarnsworth | I'm in Arizona |
| 17:17.49 | dfarnsworth | howdy sjhill |
| 17:17.59 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: ahh |
| 17:18.10 | sjhill | Arizona - land of a millioni illegal immigrants |
| 17:18.37 | sjhill | my wife's best friend is a school teacher there |
| 17:18.40 | prpplague | don't me get me started |
| 17:18.42 | dfarnsworth | sjhill, thanks for not exaggerating! |
| 17:18.45 | sjhill | lol |
| 17:19.12 | dfarnsworth | seriously, it's isn't much of an exaggeration if at all |
| 17:19.54 | jbevren | reminds me of my home town |
| 17:19.58 | jbevren | its known as little mexico |
| 17:20.05 | jbevren | and is likely the smallest city (~5000 people) with an inner city |
| 17:20.34 | jbevren | the number of legal hispanic people there is likely far less than the total number thereof |
| 17:20.38 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:21.09 | prpplague | well atleast our little 2 year adventure is comming to a close soon, consulate said the paperwork is on its way from DoHS |
| 17:22.10 | jbevren | prpplague: congrats!! |
| 17:22.19 | jbevren | (thus far anyway) |
| 17:23.24 | prpplague | jbevren: yea keeping my fingers crossed |
| 17:23.35 | prpplague | jbevren: said it would be here around the 1st |
| 17:25.17 | jbevren | prpplague: interesting |
| 17:25.28 | jbevren | wikipedia reports that acorn released an arm laptop some time ago |
| 17:25.39 | jbevren | arm3 cpu, 4M ram, 16 greys 640x480 lcd running riscos |
| 17:26.14 | jbevren | you had to use an external mouse with it heh |
| 17:26.32 | sjhill | mount_block_root |
| 17:26.42 | sjhill | that is the last step before going to user space, right? |
| 17:26.54 | jbevren | isnt that what mounts root? |
| 17:26.57 | sjhill | yeah |
| 17:27.00 | sjhill | wow, i'm good |
| 17:27.01 | jbevren | I'd think so |
| 17:27.07 | jbevren | mount the root fs, and then look fir /sbin/init |
| 17:27.12 | jbevren | then /linuxrc |
| 17:27.14 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:27.29 | sjhill | my serial console isn't working, but my BDI says that it where i am |
| 17:27.35 | sjhill | w00t |
| 17:29.03 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:29.28 | prpplague | jbevren: there was a arm based laptop that got rebranded by several companies |
| 17:29.34 | prpplague | jbevren: the price was astronomical |
| 17:29.46 | samrobb_ | sjhill: how you doing these days? |
| 17:30.08 | sjhill | samrobb_: overcommitted, but surviving |
| 17:30.09 | prpplague | jbevren: http://www.scansmart.com/catalog/6651.asp?1155821393000 |
| 17:30.13 | sjhill | samrobb_: yourself? |
| 17:30.16 | samrobb_ | :-) |
| 17:30.35 | samrobb_ | Short-timer right now - going to go work for Network Appliance |
| 17:31.00 | sjhill | lol |
| 17:31.17 | sjhill | say hello to Anurekh for me |
| 17:31.17 | chouimat | wtf bootp and dhcp opened on a public ip ... someone must be kidding me!!!!!!! |
| 17:31.17 | samrobb_ | Other than that stress, life is good |
| 17:31.17 | samrobb_ | Will do :-) |
| 17:31.22 | sjhill | congrats btw |
| 17:31.36 | sjhill | TS was fun while it lasted |
| 17:31.46 | chouimat | hi sjhill |
| 17:31.49 | sjhill | hey chouimat |
| 17:31.53 | prpplague | samrobb_: changing jobs is always stressful |
| 17:32.00 | samrobb_ | It's still fun, just a different kind of fun |
| 17:32.15 | chouimat | sjhill: I'm currently crying ... |
| 17:32.35 | samrobb_ | prpplague: Yep. At least I know a bunch of folks where I'm going. |
| 17:33.28 | sjhill | chouimat: ? |
| 17:33.34 | prpplague | samrobb_: cool |
| 17:34.01 | prpplague | jbevren: hey |
| 17:34.24 | prpplague | jbevren: check this out - http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=NET10334 |
| 17:34.26 | chouimat | sjhill: spent the morning looking at the result of a big network security audit ... and I can't write in the report "Fire all your sysadmins" |
| 17:34.58 | jbevren | prpplague: yeah, ive seen these |
| 17:35.03 | jbevren | kinda pricey but handy |
| 17:35.14 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, you could add that to the pixter-mm |
| 17:35.25 | sjhill | chouimat: ouch |
| 17:35.26 | jbevren | yeah, via the usb controller IC |
| 17:35.26 | prpplague | jbevren: you'd have a boat load of interfaces |
| 17:35.30 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 17:35.49 | chouimat | sjhill: they have bootp and dhcp open ... imagine the rest |
| 17:36.19 | jbevren | prpplague: I've pondered using that for my new workstation build |
| 17:36.20 | prpplague | jbevren: if i was gonna use that though i'd probably use the isp1161 instead of the 811 |
| 17:36.27 | jbevren | prpplague: My monitor cables are 16' long |
| 17:36.28 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:36.45 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, i ordered a couple of those |
| 17:36.55 | jbevren | if it were self-powered, I'd get a usb2 microhub for use as a repeater |
| 17:37.04 | jbevren | not that my workstation makes much noticeable noise |
| 17:37.11 | prpplague | jbevren: that would work better than what i currently have in my psuedo olpc hehe |
| 17:37.16 | jbevren | ah |
| 17:37.28 | jbevren | hm brb |
| 17:37.44 | sjhill | it would appear my console is not getting registered |
| 17:37.47 | sjhill | yeah, that's a problem |
| 17:37.57 | prpplague | right now i have a internal 4 port hub with individual usb devices for the ps/2 and other stuff |
| 17:38.00 | CosmicPenguin | consoles are only for noobs |
| 17:38.21 | prpplague | sjhill: bringing up the interface just not registering the console? |
| 17:38.36 | prpplague | sjhill: new board? |
| 17:42.30 | sjhill | yes and yes |
| 17:43.12 | prpplague | sjhill: i usually have printascii going for new board bringups to help identify those kinds of issues |
| 17:43.32 | prpplague | sjhill: just me i guess, i always enable it it from the start |
| 18:04.04 | youam | jbevren: i said hfs+, not hfs. i didn't know hfs+ was really an improved version of hfs, but thought it was a replacement for it based on ufs, as OS X itself isn't based on OS 9 but on freebsd etc |
| 18:05.59 | jbevren | ahh |
| 18:06.01 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 18:06.27 | jbevren | macos X can allegedly use ufs, but Ive heard of it not working well |
| 18:07.08 | jbevren | I think HFS+ was introduced with macos 8.1 to support larger partitions |
| 18:07.20 | jbevren | journalling on HFS+ was introduced with macos X (or 9?) |
| 18:07.55 | jbevren | prpplague: ahh, this is usb2.0, very cool |
| 18:07.57 | agaffney | I remember hearing about people having trouble installing stuffit on ufs with osx |
| 18:08.00 | jbevren | (the port replicator) |
| 18:20.36 | chouimat | ufs works but a lot of mac osx apps take for granted that you use hfs+ |
| 18:37.20 | jbevren | where's the #edev logs on riker's site? |
| 18:37.30 | prpplague | ibot.rikers.org |
| 18:37.59 | jbevren | thanks :) |
| 18:38.04 | prpplague | np |
| 18:38.06 | prpplague | ~logs |
| 18:38.08 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 18:38.11 | jbevren | aha |
| 18:38.13 | jbevren | perfect |
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| 18:43.04 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, I'm sold on Apex |
| 18:43.39 | T0mW | prpplague: it boots on the board, not only that, I can compile it! |
| 18:43.47 | T0mW | :) |
| 18:44.41 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:44.46 | prpplague | T0mW: thanks |
| 18:45.30 | davidc__ | prpplague: new version? |
| 18:45.37 | T0mW | prpplague: I download it, run make xconfig, saw the samsung S3C2410 project, said "I'll try that one", make, flash, and it ran! |
| 18:45.50 | prpplague | davidc__: i.e. no need for 3rd party code |
| 18:46.13 | prpplague | T0mW: you just made my week |
| 18:46.17 | prpplague | no the month |
| 18:46.17 | davidc__ | prpplague: ah, haven't had much time :/ |
| 18:46.23 | davidc__ | prpplague: I wrote some docs for it though |
| 18:46.25 | prpplague | davidc__: np, just checking |
| 18:46.26 | T0mW | prpplague: wtf are talinig about? |
| 18:46.39 | prpplague | T0mW: i did all the work for the s3c2410 port |
| 18:46.40 | T0mW | er, what you talking about? |
| 18:46.44 | T0mW | ok |
| 18:46.45 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:47.08 | prpplague | davidc__: yea i saw you post it, but i myself haven't had time to pull a copy for the wiki pages |
| 18:47.24 | T0mW | oh |
| 18:47.25 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:47.31 | T0mW | I didn't recognize the M7200 |
| 18:47.37 | davidc__ | prpplague: I can give you the source images / etc if you'd like |
| 18:47.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:47.50 | prpplague | davidc__: yes please |
| 18:47.53 | T0mW | I was pretty blitzed last night, "just a few more hours..." |
| 18:47.54 | prpplague | ~prpplague |
| 18:47.56 | purl | hmm... prpplague is mailto:danders@amltd.com or Dave Anders |
| 18:49.24 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i need to submit the patches for the M5900 |
| 18:49.34 | T0mW | prpplague: just a question, before I get Insight out and start singlestepping the apex code. What is the "environment" flash space for? |
| 18:49.42 | prpplague | T0mW: marc is soooo anally retentive about patches he'll accept |
| 18:50.05 | prpplague | T0mW: basically it gives you the ability to store variables in flash |
| 18:50.19 | prpplague | T0mW: like if you want to change the boot command arguments for the kernel |
| 18:50.24 | T0mW | and, if I don't care about that, can I just turn that off? |
| 18:50.25 | prpplague | T0mW: without having to recompile |
| 18:50.38 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, just remember you'll have to recompile to change the values |
| 18:50.39 | T0mW | I need all the NOR I can get |
| 18:51.06 | T0mW | prpplague: you're talking about recompiling the kernel again, not a big deal |
| 18:51.19 | prpplague | no, compiling apex |
| 18:51.57 | T0mW | ok, the "Extra commands for startup" ? |
| 18:52.30 | prpplague | T0mW: for one, but things like the copy commands on boot, the wait time, memory addresses |
| 18:52.34 | prpplague | T0mW: that kind of stuff |
| 18:52.44 | T0mW | oh |
| 18:52.47 | prpplague | T0mW: you can do a printenv to show you |
| 18:53.15 | T0mW | yeah, it is not copying the "nor:96K+1024K" kernel image into 0x30008000 |
| 18:53.30 | prpplague | T0mW: we(aml) also use it to store things like the last contrast setting, some power states , and some settings for the current firmware mode |
| 18:53.43 | T0mW | I assume that "96K+1024K" means starting from 96K, copy 1024K bytes. |
| 18:54.17 | prpplague | T0mW: starting from the base nor address, skip 96k and then copy 1024k bytes |
| 18:54.25 | T0mW | everything seems to be ok, but it won't copy or boot a kernel image that I have in Flash at 0x18000 |
| 18:54.36 | T0mW | right |
| 18:54.44 | T0mW | that's what I thought it said |
| 18:54.58 | prpplague | you left out the "base nor address" |
| 18:55.19 | prpplague | 96k != nor:96k |
| 18:55.27 | T0mW | no, that is 0x00000000, I told it taht |
| 18:55.38 | prpplague | but it might not always be that |
| 18:55.46 | prpplague | like on the lh79524 |
| 18:55.59 | T0mW | yeah, but on my board, NOR is at 0 |
| 18:56.04 | T0mW | CS1 |
| 18:56.18 | T0mW | er, BANK1 |
| 18:56.21 | prpplague | agreed, but what i'm saying you have to be careful with saying it that way |
| 18:56.41 | prpplague | just keep in might that apex uses alias's for stuff like the nor |
| 18:57.06 | prpplague | you could create an alias called "kernel" which is the address 0x30008000 |
| 18:57.25 | prpplague | then you could say: copy nor:96k+1024k kernel:0x00 |
| 18:57.29 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm asking you these questions as you got it to work and there doesn't seem to be very much documentation for apex. |
| 18:57.38 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe yea |
| 18:57.50 | prpplague | T0mW: :P |
| 18:58.02 | prpplague | ok first things first |
| 18:58.12 | T0mW | typical coder, the documentation is in the source. |
| 18:58.22 | prpplague | are you using the M7200 config? |
| 18:58.26 | T0mW | yeah |
| 18:58.47 | prpplague | ok that means you are using the board id for the M7200, and more than likely you kernel isn't |
| 18:58.50 | T0mW | I just re-enabled the Alias command |
| 18:59.14 | prpplague | what id are you using in the kernel? |
| 18:59.15 | T0mW | correct, the S3C2410 of the M7200 is what attracted me to that platform. |
| 18:59.19 | T0mW | 725 |
| 18:59.31 | T0mW | OH! |
| 18:59.33 | prpplague | yea, that doesn't match |
| 18:59.50 | T0mW | Well, it isn't copying the image to ram at all. |
| 19:00.03 | prpplague | oh? |
| 19:00.10 | prpplague | T0mW: whats it doing? |
| 19:00.18 | prpplague | T0mW: well lets back up |
| 19:00.28 | prpplague | T0mW: what is the command line you are using to do the copy? |
| 19:00.32 | T0mW | apex relocates itself, but I says that "# copy nor:96K+1024K 0x30008000" but nothing goes. |
| 19:00.57 | sjhill | i'm going cray |
| 19:00.58 | sjhill | z |
| 19:00.59 | T0mW | taht is on the boot and first prompt |
| 19:01.03 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.drinkatwork.com/2006/08/comic-for-thursday-august-17-2006.html |
| 19:01.04 | prpplague | sjhill: er |
| 19:01.06 | CosmicPenguin | hah |
| 19:01.15 | prpplague | T0mW: ok so it does the copy |
| 19:01.22 | prpplague | T0mW: and after the copy what happens? |
| 19:01.30 | T0mW | let me check something, wait one |
| 19:02.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: HA |
| 19:02.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hard to believe thats the same guy who writes Sally Forth, huh? |
| 19:02.40 | sjhill | i'm baffled on this |
| 19:02.50 | T0mW | nope, nothing, I filled a value into 0x30008000, let apex boot, then checked that region, it still has my fill value |
| 19:02.58 | sjhill | i see my console_setup function get calle |
| 19:02.59 | sjhill | d |
| 19:03.08 | sjhill | but my console_write function never gets called |
| 19:03.13 | sjhill | wth is going on |
| 19:03.16 | prpplague | T0mW: how do you know the kernel is stored in flash? |
| 19:03.28 | T0mW | prpplague: I know that R1 has to have my 725 id. |
| 19:03.32 | T0mW | prpplague: I put it there, heh |
| 19:03.41 | prpplague | T0mW: using what method? |
| 19:03.45 | T0mW | prpplague: jtag |
| 19:04.00 | chouimat | from okcupid Question: Which would do more to improve the world? here the choice you have: Fewer stupid people, Fewer ugly people and This question upsets me |
| 19:04.07 | chouimat | I like this type of question |
| 19:04.16 | T0mW | prpplague: even still, if it was blank flash that it was copying, then the ram at 0x30008000 should have changed? |
| 19:04.20 | prpplague | T0mW: ok, lets try something different, try transfering the image to ram first using the xreceive command |
| 19:04.35 | prpplague | T0mW: do xreceive 0x30008000 |
| 19:04.43 | prpplague | T0mW: and send the kernel image via xmodem |
| 19:04.58 | prpplague | sjhill: still ahving console problems |
| 19:05.02 | sjhill | yeah |
| 19:05.10 | T0mW | prpplague: lets backup a bit, I may have disable some apex commands that we need for doing all this in order to keep it small. |
| 19:05.11 | sjhill | baffling the heck out of me |
| 19:05.15 | prpplague | T0mW: well if you are gonna use the 725 id, you'll need to change the apex to use that |
| 19:05.40 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, but that is not important now, my kernel will still decompress |
| 19:05.41 | prpplague | T0mW: if you build everything into apex, it will be less than 64k |
| 19:05.42 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.42 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.42 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.42 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.42 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.44 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.53 | sjhill | i'm concerned about .device |
| 19:06.01 | sjhill | console_initcall(r3u_cpr_console_init); |
| 19:06.06 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm going to kill my .config and start fresh |
| 19:06.10 | prpplague | T0mW: ok |
| 19:06.11 | sjhill | i see some drivers with and some without that line |
| 19:06.25 | sjhill | i'll admit it has been ages since i touched serial console code |
| 19:07.22 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, run xconfig, only select samsung platform, save, make, an flash to nor @ 0 |
| 19:07.43 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 19:09.02 | prpplague | sjhill: yea mine has the .device as well |
| 19:09.40 | prpplague | sjhill: which matches |
| 19:10.06 | T0mW | prpplague: forgot to set CROSS_COMPILE |
| 19:10.17 | sjhill | prpplague: what about the console_initcall line, do you have that? |
| 19:10.25 | prpplague | sjhill: yea |
| 19:10.29 | prpplague | T0mW: doh |
| 19:11.37 | sjhill | argh |
| 19:12.07 | prpplague | sjhill: you enable the printascii stuff? |
| 19:12.46 | sjhill | ? |
| 19:12.52 | sjhill | wth is that stuff at? |
| 19:13.02 | prpplague | http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/printascii.txt |
| 19:13.04 | sjhill | man i've been in userspace too long |
| 19:13.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:13.25 | T0mW | done |
| 19:13.26 | prpplague | sjhill: that was written for sa-1100 and 2.4 but it applies to 2.6 and just about any embedded |
| 19:13.42 | prpplague | T0mW: ok once its booted, transfer the kernel via the xreceive command to ram |
| 19:14.30 | T0mW | xrecieve 0x30008000 ? |
| 19:14.43 | prpplague | T0mW: yep |
| 19:14.50 | T0mW | or xreceive nor:0x18000 |
| 19:14.53 | prpplague | i before e except after c |
| 19:15.01 | prpplague | xreceive 0x30008000 |
| 19:16.53 | T0mW | going now |
| 19:17.04 | prpplague | T0mW: ok let me know when you get it done |
| 19:18.31 | T0mW | done |
| 19:18.49 | prpplague | ok one sec |
| 19:18.58 | T0mW | I gotta get another cup |
| 19:20.44 | prpplague | T0mW: ok, so now do this: erase nor:96k+1024k |
| 19:21.00 | prpplague | T0mW: then do the copy: copy 0x30008000+1024k nor:96k+1024k |
| 19:21.03 | prpplague | oops |
| 19:21.05 | prpplague | T0mW: then do the copy: copy 0x30008000+1024k nor:96k |
| 19:21.23 | T0mW | erase failed at 0x00010000 |
| 19:21.35 | T0mW | I have am29lv320bb device |
| 19:22.56 | T0mW | prpplague: let me take your platform, add in the ln2410sbc, and make some corrections / selections to match my board: e.g. flash type, kernel ID ,etc. then I'll get back to you. |
| 19:23.06 | prpplague | T0mW: ok |
| 19:23.24 | prpplague | T0mW: anyway thats how you should do the verification |
| 19:23.32 | T0mW | prpplague: hey, if all else fails, I can always run up Insight and take a look! |
| 19:24.13 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, i rarely have need of doing heavy jtag debugging during board bringup |
| 19:24.24 | prpplague | T0mW: remind me this evening to bring my littlechips board to the office |
| 19:24.39 | T0mW | heh, ok |
| 19:25.14 | prpplague | T0mW: i think the only time i got the jtag out for initial bringup was when i had those address line buffer issues |
| 19:25.53 | prpplague | sjhill: printascii is a real life saver when it goes to board bringups |
| 19:26.17 | sjhill | if you're on an ARM platform |
| 19:26.19 | T0mW | prpplague: I've thoroughly hacked buildroot into a blend of the stock version and that of the openWRT. I plan to have it build the ext2 filesystem with common utils in it for both NOR and NAND, then be able to select packages to include only on NOR or NAND image. |
| 19:26.19 | sjhill | which i'm not |
| 19:27.40 | prpplague | sjhill: printascii is available to all platforms, or suppose to be |
| 19:28.29 | prpplague | sjhill: its a mips board? |
| 19:34.07 | prpplague | sjhill: i don't see anything that requires printascii be only used on arm |
| 19:37.53 | prpplague | sjhill: don't worry, i'm just asking in #mipslinux for my own curiosity |
| 19:42.26 | prpplague | T0mW: try to keep your additions clean and seperate from the M7200 so we can get some patches sent into marc for the ln2410sbc |
| 19:42.41 | T0mW | #if defined ( LN2410SBC ) |
| 19:43.25 | T0mW | prpplague: I made a file "init-ln2410sbc.c" just in case of funnies |
| 19:43.44 | prpplague | sjhill: interesting, i never realized that printascii wasn't implemented on alot of platforms |
| 19:43.50 | prpplague | T0mW: cool |
| 19:44.05 | T0mW | my BSWCON setting is different from yours as to the NOR BANK0 |
| 19:44.42 | T0mW | your value won't work for my board and I did find that out when we were doing the BANKCON stuff the otther day |
| 19:44.51 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh ok |
| 19:45.03 | T0mW | prolly why the nor won't erase |
| 19:45.42 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i only messed with the ln2410sbc enough to get a feel for the 2410 |
| 19:45.43 | T0mW | just checking the BANKCON[6,7]_VAL now |
| 19:46.10 | prpplague | T0mW: i assume you added a section with the correct id for the ln2410 |
| 19:46.17 | prpplague | T0mW: in the kconfig |
| 19:48.00 | *** join/#edev Genesis (n=genesis2@dev.aimao.org) |
| 19:50.52 | prpplague | sjhill: guess there are some different techniques between arm and mips bringups |
| 19:52.28 | Genesis | prpplague, : scuse me to bore you again with that , but is there no a successful technic to get the juicebox booting custom linux without modified it , i read "This page is to document the creation of a Juicebox cartridge that contains a custom bootloader, uclinux kernel, and ramdisk which can be used with any unmodified juicebox." on the http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBoxUMDCart and i dont understand if ti's possible configuring the sd card on a pc |
| 19:53.54 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, got the 725 in there: default 725 if MACH_LN2410SBC |
| 19:54.01 | Genesis | or why it's not possible to do that on the host machine. |
| 19:54.07 | prpplague | Genesis: the sd card is not the issue, its the xD or nand flash |
| 19:54.17 | prpplague | Genesis: there are methods of doing from a host machine |
| 19:54.30 | prpplague | Genesis: if you read the bottom of that page it answers your question |
| 19:55.09 | prpplague | Genesis: see question #3 at the bottom of the page |
| 19:55.49 | prpplague | T0mW: okie crokie |
| 19:56.35 | Genesis | oki prpplague thx |
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| 20:00.38 | T0mW | prpplague: just checking over now before compile |
| 20:03.39 | prpplague | funny, the pepper pad originally had a pxa which intel is unloading , and the next gen pepperpad has a geode which amd just unloaded |
| 20:05.40 | prpplague | hmm, breaking news, water bottles tests positive for explosives |
| 20:09.04 | jbevren | so these people with clear explosives that were headed to the US were holding.. |
| 20:09.06 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.53 | Genesis | it's why i prefer alcohol |
| 20:20.34 | *** join/#edev mallum (n=mallum@host86-136-23-9.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:21.03 | prpplague | mallum: greetings |
| 20:21.08 | prpplague | mallum: pop yet? |
| 20:21.10 | mallum | hey prpplague |
| 20:21.13 | mallum | not yet :) |
| 20:21.23 | mallum | still a week till due date |
| 20:30.54 | Genesis | yo mallum |
| 20:31.10 | mallum | hey Genesis |
| 20:31.50 | T0mW | prpplague: error -9 parameter error |
| 20:32.34 | prpplague | T0mW: what command did you use? |
| 20:32.59 | T0mW | just to boot it |
| 20:33.06 | T0mW | just to boot apex |
| 20:33.14 | prpplague | T0mW: but it tried to issue a command |
| 20:33.25 | T0mW | ok |
| 20:33.31 | T0mW | copy 0x30008000 |
| 20:33.35 | T0mW | missing param |
| 20:33.39 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:33.45 | T0mW | ok, bbl |
| 22:04.00 | MonMotha | T0mW: hey, you know any pcb manufacturers that'll do REALLY CHEAP small qty stuff? I really don't care about the turn time, and tolerances I can work with |
| 22:06.04 | Genesis | a+ |
| 22:06.12 | MonMotha | ? |
| 22:33.33 | T0mW | MonMotha: http://www.pcbnet.com/ |
| 22:33.54 | T0mW | MonMotha: depending on the size of the board |
| 22:34.17 | *** join/#edev prpplague (n=dave@72.22.135.197) |
| 22:35.37 | MonMotha | T0mW: usually ~4x3in or so |
| 22:37.54 | prpplague | T0mW: make any progress? |
| 22:38.42 | T0mW | prpplague: yes and no, I figured out the ENV stuff, it does copy now on startup, but it still won't erase the nor flash |
| 22:39.10 | T0mW | prpplague: just getting the Insight debugger working with this project now. |
| 22:39.40 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 22:39.48 | prpplague | T0mW: probably a locking problem |
| 22:40.06 | prpplague | T0mW: i can't recall, does the ln2410 have a writeprotect bit? |
| 22:40.10 | prpplague | i think it does |
| 22:40.38 | T0mW | dunno |
| 22:42.12 | prpplague | T0mW: let me grab a schematic |
| 22:42.48 | prpplague | hmm, i don't seem to have the ln2410 schematic handy |
| 22:43.35 | T0mW | prpplague: I've got to stop tonite, plans for the evening |
| 22:43.49 | T0mW | prpplague: I just need to dig deeper is all |
| 22:45.01 | prpplague | T0mW: you email me the schematic? |
| 22:45.09 | T0mW | prpplague: there is no hardware write protect |
| 22:45.19 | prpplague | you sure of that? |
| 22:45.41 | T0mW | looks that way, nWP is tied to vcc |
| 22:45.49 | prpplague | seems like i had a problem with the erase as well on the littlechips board |
| 22:45.51 | T0mW | nWE goes to the CPU |
| 22:46.05 | prpplague | hmm |
| 22:46.20 | prpplague | T0mW: what command are you using to erase? |
| 22:47.10 | T0mW | erase nor:256k+1024k |
| 22:47.10 | prpplague | T0mW: i'll bring my board to the office tomorrow to see if i can help |
| 22:47.33 | prpplague | that should do the trick, the nor base address is 0x00000000 right? |
| 22:47.47 | T0mW | it then says "Erase failed at 0x00040000 (ffff)" |
| 22:48.00 | prpplague | hmm |
| 22:48.16 | T0mW | that is a sector boundry too |
| 22:48.30 | prpplague | T0mW: different block size? |
| 22:48.43 | T0mW | 64k sector |
| 22:48.50 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:49.04 | prpplague | T0mW: form 16k to 64k ? |
| 22:49.16 | T0mW | I think it is not identifying the device correctly |
| 22:49.32 | T0mW | it may be an manufacturers id error |
| 22:50.32 | prpplague | mine has an amd nor flash |
| 22:50.35 | prpplague | that what you have? |
| 22:50.58 | prpplague | am29lv160db |
| 22:52.09 | T0mW | am29lv320db |
| 22:52.20 | prpplague | T0mW: interesting |
| 22:52.32 | prpplague | you have twice as much nor flash |
| 22:52.37 | T0mW | same width, just smaller: 2meg NOR |
| 22:52.47 | T0mW | er |
| 22:52.52 | T0mW | 4Megbyte nor |
| 22:53.28 | T0mW | 2megword |
| 22:53.52 | prpplague | you email me your .config for apex? |
| 22:53.57 | T0mW | yeah |
| 22:55.39 | T0mW | done |
| 22:55.46 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, looks like there is a sector protect that isn;t implemented on the intel flash |
| 23:00.25 | prpplague | T0mW: ok so it properly erases up to 0x40000 ? |
| 23:01.13 | T0mW | nothing at all |
| 23:01.41 | prpplague | T0mW: oh ok, so thats the first thing you get? |
| 23:01.53 | T0mW | when... |
| 23:02.02 | T0mW | when it apex boots? |
| 23:02.06 | T0mW | when apex boots? |
| 23:02.17 | prpplague | when you issue the erase command |
| 23:02.30 | T0mW | it then says "Erase failed at 0x00040000 (ffff)" |
| 23:03.11 | prpplague | ok so did you try writing something to the lower nor to see if it saves it? |
| 23:03.22 | T0mW | ah |
| 23:03.32 | T0mW | erase nor:0k+4k |
| 23:03.36 | T0mW | might have worked |
| 23:03.47 | T0mW | nope |
| 23:03.59 | T0mW | it didn't complain, but nothing got erased |
| 23:04.23 | prpplague | T0mW: how do you know? |
| 23:04.36 | T0mW | prpplague: looked at it via jtag |
| 23:04.56 | prpplague | T0mW: that might not be 100% correct |
| 23:05.05 | prpplague | T0mW: reboot your board and see if apex starts |
| 23:05.18 | T0mW | the command "nor:0k+1k" silently came back to a prompt |
| 23:05.28 | T0mW | it comes back |
| 23:05.31 | prpplague | ok |
| 23:05.38 | T0mW | erase is not working |
| 23:05.55 | prpplague | yea something doesn't sound right, let me compare the specs for the intel flash vs. the amd and see what jumps out |
| 23:06.29 | T0mW | prpplague: you using stratflash? |
| 23:06.33 | T0mW | prpplague: you using strataflash? |
| 23:07.17 | T0mW | prpplague: I'll pick this up later, I have to run |
| 23:07.33 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: uh i think i might have found your problem |
| 23:07.39 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: message me you have time |
| 23:07.44 | T0mW`gone | prpplague: what? |
| 23:08.18 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: hehe, nm, i was wrong |
| 23:08.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:08.25 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: go do some rat killing |
| 23:19.15 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: yea here is the problem in your .config |
| 23:19.31 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: you must have broken one of the kconfig files when you were editing |
| 23:19.54 | prpplague | # CONFIG_DRIVER_NOR_CFI is not set |
| 23:19.54 | prpplague | CONFIG_DRIVER_NOR_CFI_NO_BUFFERED=y |
| 23:19.54 | prpplague | CONFIG_USES_NOR_CFI=y |
| 23:20.07 | prpplague | the nor cfi driver isn't enabled |
| 23:20.26 | prpplague | it might not be all of your problems but its some of it |
| 23:21.15 | prpplague | yea, looks like you aren't getting the CFI driver |
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