| 02:13.02 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 06:26.53 | T0mW | ~apex |
| 06:26.56 | purl | somebody said apex was a tiny arm bootloader done by marc singer, or http://projects.buici.com/apex/, or a hackable dvd player http://www.nerd-out.com/darrenk/ |
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| 12:23.35 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 12:42.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings |
| 12:43.05 | GPSFan | prpplague: morning.. |
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| 12:47.52 | prpplague | sjhill: morning |
| 12:48.13 | prpplague | sjhill: you get your console issue figured out? |
| 12:49.51 | jbevren | prpplague: I'll take one too if you dont mind |
| 12:51.28 | prpplague | " Known Problem of STN LCD : If Enable and Disable Video output, [ENVID] of LCDCON1 Register, it is repeated over 100times,there could be 1Word data loss in case of STN. But the probability of this symptom is very low." |
| 12:51.32 | prpplague | hmmm |
| 12:52.01 | prpplague | looks like the only choice i have is to rapidly enable/disable the controller 7 times to assure its working properly |
| 12:52.24 | prpplague | what a bug to have |
| 12:52.55 | jbevren | prpplague: I theorized resetting the lcdc on vt switch |
| 12:53.31 | prpplague | jbevren: yea right now, the vt switch doesn't enable/disable the controller |
| 12:53.42 | prpplague | jbevren: the main issue is during a suspend/resume |
| 12:53.53 | prpplague | jbevren: looks like thats where the over 100 is coming into play |
| 12:54.14 | sjhill | prpplague: yep |
| 12:55.48 | prpplague | sjhill: what was it? and how did you find it? |
| 12:55.56 | prpplague | sjhill: (assuming you have time to explain) |
| 12:57.36 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:58.20 | prpplague | chouimat: greetings |
| 13:02.42 | sjhill | prpplague: it was the new Marvell/Galileo code in 2.6 the was different than 2.4. The new code was, by default, disabling all CPU address windows to all of the chip selects. One of those chip selects had the FPGA with my custom serial port on it. After I enabled the memory window, I got output. |
| 13:03.24 | sjhill | hey chouimat |
| 13:04.26 | prpplague | sjhill: ahh |
| 13:04.29 | prpplague | sjhill: lovely |
| 13:04.34 | sjhill | yeah |
| 13:04.57 | sjhill | now i'm working on unifying the ethernet driver for Discovery II/III with the code for the Galileo (Discovery I) |
| 13:05.00 | sjhill | i'm having a blast |
| 13:05.14 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:05.39 | sjhill | i love porting driver code |
| 13:07.26 | prpplague | sjhill: yea, tends to leave a spaghetti dinner |
| 13:15.37 | chouimat | hi prpplague sjhill |
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| 13:42.32 | sorphin | chouimat: and you're mad because you really like it, and they're trashing it? |
| 13:42.33 | sorphin | lol |
| 13:42.50 | chouimat | sorphin: sound like the french guy want to do her .... |
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| 13:44.00 | chouimat | sorphin: and beside that ... Paris Hilton in the morning??? I will have nightmares all day |
| 13:50.14 | prpplague | davidc__: morning |
| 13:50.33 | prpplague | davidc__: you gonna grab one of those cameras from allelectronics? |
| 13:56.31 | jbevren | ah, so you did see the link |
| 13:59.03 | sorphin | cameras? |
| 13:59.23 | jbevren | sorphin: another undocumented CCD |
| 13:59.52 | sorphin | link? |
| 14:00.14 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/SparkfunCamera |
| 14:00.26 | jbevren | http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/item/CCD-1/100/YH9GB1_CCD_MODULE_.html |
| 14:00.58 | sorphin | k |
| 14:02.07 | sorphin | dumps out composite video over a RJ45, and takes power over same connector |
| 14:02.46 | sorphin | heh, neat |
| 14:03.47 | sorphin | proximity badge thing.. came w/ a fob, and the sensor, they sell similar to it for much more, the fobs are rfid, iirc |
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| 14:07.23 | jbevren | prpplague: btw, how comes the logic analyzer? |
| 14:07.35 | jbevren | (was it g2 that is doing the design?) |
| 14:08.31 | davidc__ | prpplague: I'm heading to the yukon in 24 hours.... not really enough time to get one in ;) |
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| 14:15.16 | prpplague | davidc__: ahh cool |
| 14:15.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:15.30 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:15.39 | prpplague | jbevren: g1powermac over in ##microcontrollers did the mass buy |
| 14:15.52 | prpplague | jbevren: http://minila.sourceforge.net |
| 14:15.52 | jbevren | ahh |
| 14:15.57 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:15.59 | prpplague | jbevren: they are still in customs |
| 14:16.03 | jbevren | I told him I was interested |
| 14:16.09 | jbevren | so iw as wondering about the progress |
| 14:16.15 | jbevren | customs? I thought he was stateside |
| 14:16.24 | prpplague | jbevren: but i'm not |
| 14:16.56 | jbevren | so he's built them? |
| 14:17.16 | prpplague | jbevren: lets start from the begining |
| 14:17.18 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 14:17.31 | prpplague | jbevren: there once was an open source project called miniLA |
| 14:17.39 | prpplague | jbevren: it was free for everyone to use |
| 14:17.56 | prpplague | jbevren: g1powermac wanted to build one, however the min order for some of the parts are 10 |
| 14:18.16 | prpplague | jbevren: so he got 9 other people to go in together to get make 10 miniLA's |
| 14:18.24 | jbevren | right, and then someone else decided they'll do a run |
| 14:18.27 | prpplague | jbevren: pcb's made, parts arrived, he ships them off to everyone |
| 14:18.28 | jbevren | and I let them know I was interested |
| 14:18.49 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, they haven't started another group purchase yet |
| 14:19.00 | jbevren | ok, thats what i was wondering :) |
| 14:19.38 | prpplague | jbevren: my are here on the island, but customs can't decide on what to classify them as: electronic test equipment, electronic kit, electronic parts |
| 14:20.45 | prpplague | likely be another 2 weeks before i get them |
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| 14:25.35 | sorphin | prpplague: you may be back in the US by the time they decide, seeing as this is a customs office :P |
| 14:25.43 | sorphin | and we all know how efficient they are |
| 14:26.34 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, if they don't make a decision in the next two weeks, i'll probably have to go and provide some finacial incentive |
| 14:26.44 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:28.03 | prpplague | if they get the scent that your are in need of the package, they usually will hit you up |
| 14:28.10 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:28.42 | sorphin | that means the package isn't worth too much for me then if i'm gonna have to bribe someone just to get it |
| 14:29.05 | prpplague | nothing funny about it, most people in the states take it for granted they can get anything shipped without having to deal with customs |
| 14:29.07 | jbevren | welcome to every package that enters barbados |
| 14:29.14 | prpplague | yep |
| 14:29.44 | prpplague | its the way "the rest" of the world works |
| 14:30.02 | jbevren | package terrorists |
| 14:30.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:37.05 | sorphin | prpplague: oh realy now... i've bought things and sent things overseas and have had to deal with customs |
| 14:37.38 | sorphin | had a package i sent to a friend in scotland that i bought for him from someone here |
| 14:37.42 | sorphin | 2 months later |
| 14:37.44 | sorphin | he got it |
| 14:37.53 | sorphin | and i sent it |
| 14:37.54 | sorphin | airmail |
| 14:37.58 | sorphin | welcome to customs |
| 14:38.04 | sorphin | or was it 3 months |
| 14:38.06 | sorphin | i forget |
| 14:38.27 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, you werent on the receiving end of things |
| 14:38.52 | prpplague | sorphin: people are used to ordering something on ebay and getting it pretty quick |
| 14:39.34 | sorphin | uh |
| 14:39.40 | sorphin | then people are stupid |
| 14:39.52 | sorphin | i've had to wait for things comign through customs TO me as well |
| 14:40.06 | prpplague | sorphin: well you are an exception |
| 14:40.11 | sorphin | had things take just as long as his package did |
| 14:40.19 | prpplague | sorphin: the vast majority of people have no clue about such things |
| 14:40.38 | sorphin | it's reasons like that, why when i went to the UK, i bought stuff, and brought it back here and didn't declare squat |
| 14:41.00 | sorphin | bad enough i had to pay VAT |
| 14:41.11 | prpplague | yep |
| 14:41.22 | sorphin | if they think i'm gonna pay a duty too, they're nuts |
| 14:41.22 | sorphin | lol |
| 14:41.35 | sorphin | course |
| 14:41.40 | sorphin | things were slightly not as bad back then |
| 14:42.01 | sorphin | we didn't have the "You are a terrorist" button, at every 10 ft |
| 14:42.02 | prpplague | sorphin: generally speaking, they let you bring in less that $2000 duty free |
| 14:42.23 | sorphin | nod |
| 14:44.54 | prpplague | wheee |
| 14:45.05 | prpplague | paperwork is suppose to be next wed. |
| 14:45.43 | sorphin | what a joke |
| 14:45.52 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 14:46.12 | sorphin | <prpplague> paperwork is suppose to be next wed. |
| 14:46.20 | sorphin | more wait |
| 14:46.43 | prpplague | sorphin: yea well the average time is about 18 months |
| 14:46.54 | prpplague | sorphin: so we are just a little over average |
| 14:47.26 | sorphin | prpplague: not quite the way to be 'above average' eh? heh |
| 14:47.51 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:18.03 | [g2] | jbevren I'm just looking into production :) it's the minla's team design |
| 15:18.14 | [g2] | for the mini logic analyzer |
| 15:19.07 | prpplague | [g2]: main problem with the design is the ram |
| 15:19.32 | [g2] | prpplague as in 128K samples is too small ? |
| 15:20.20 | prpplague | [g2]: no the ram is very expensive and hard to get |
| 15:20.38 | prpplague | [g2]: they should have used something that was more readily available |
| 15:20.59 | [g2] | prpplague if you've got suggestions I'm all ears |
| 15:21.15 | [g2] | It's just "a" design, not "the" design |
| 15:21.22 | davidc__ | why not just use an fpga + ddr? |
| 15:21.28 | davidc__ | fpga not fast enough or something? |
| 15:21.52 | [g2] | davidc__ I've actually thought about that too |
| 15:22.15 | davidc__ | if the fpga aint fast enough, just use a cpld to divide the datastream into waaaay more paralell |
| 15:22.46 | [g2] | fpga's are certainly fast enough, it's a question of cost/performance |
| 15:22.53 | prpplague | from what i can tell the desing works well, its just a cost issue |
| 15:23.18 | davidc__ | [g2]: yeah, I was thinking a S3 - rather than a V4/5 :P |
| 15:23.19 | prpplague | two things i'd like to see, is usb interface, and different ram |
| 15:23.29 | davidc__ | so you don't pay 300 bucks for the fpga alone |
| 15:23.49 | davidc__ | [g2]: I know an S3 can handle the data rate to DDR - its just the incoming signal capture that I'm thinking about |
| 15:24.18 | [g2] | davidc__ well the minila's design was 32 bits @ 100Mhz |
| 15:24.22 | prpplague | davidc__: i sure wish sfe would make a usb host break out board |
| 15:24.39 | [g2] | prpplague for USB 2.0 ? |
| 15:24.55 | davidc__ | [g2]: thats probably doable with careful design |
| 15:25.00 | [g2] | with a 25Mhz analyzer you can capture usb 1.1 |
| 15:25.29 | prpplague | [g2]: not specifically |
| 15:25.40 | [g2] | davidc__ I want to build and sell cheap, cool, things like sparkfun |
| 15:25.58 | prpplague | [g2]: something like the SL811HS |
| 15:26.15 | [g2] | prpplague yes we've discussed that and it's interesting |
| 15:26.29 | [g2] | however, I've been talking to Oxford Semi about their OTG part |
| 15:26.33 | [g2] | which looks interesting |
| 15:26.47 | prpplague | [g2]: a small board with a 3.3v->5v boost and the sl811 |
| 15:26.50 | [g2] | also the LPC31xx series is interesting too |
| 15:27.18 | prpplague | [g2]: yea, i want to be able to add usb host to arm boards easy |
| 15:27.23 | [g2] | I've got a specific application in mind and I think a PIC may work too |
| 15:27.45 | [g2] | with the 31xx it has OTG onboard |
| 15:27.51 | [g2] | and that's 2.0 iirc |
| 15:28.07 | [g2] | in 10K unit pricing it's supposed to be around $7 |
| 15:28.22 | prpplague | hehe, i just want three or 4 hehe |
| 15:28.31 | [g2] | the point being that's isn't not much more expensive than an S3 |
| 15:28.42 | prpplague | ahh |
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| 16:15.52 | jbevren | schwing |
| 16:15.56 | jbevren | pepper pads' out for delivery |
| 16:16.12 | jbevren | dhl has a habit of overnighting 2day deliveries to me |
| 16:22.45 | T0mW | ups has a habit of sending me 4day zone deliveries in 6days |
| 16:25.51 | youam | fedex once sent some pakets of overnight debian dvds for a conference from frankfurt.de to helsinki.fi to paris.fr instead... |
| 16:37.50 | jbevren | doh |
| 17:07.18 | youam | it's been UPS, not fedex, the second paket of this shipment went to hamburg.de, both arrived on wednesday or thursday instead of on saturday (w/ overnight shipment) |
| 17:12.47 | jbevren | I'd demand a refund from ups |
| 17:14.01 | youam | of course, and we got it |
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| 17:15.06 | prpplague | well, UPS doesn't have a customs agent here on the island, so you never want to send anything via UPS to barbados |
| 18:01.07 | T0mW | prpplague: should I sent it via Hola! Express Boat? |
| 18:01.34 | T0mW | e.g. three men and a fishing boat |
| 18:03.56 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 18:07.03 | T0mW | prpplague: so far, the apex is working out great! thanks for pointing me to it. |
| 18:07.06 | T0mW | prpplague: now |
| 18:07.18 | T0mW | prpplague: who / how should I submit patches? |
| 18:11.54 | T0mW | ~apex |
| 18:11.57 | purl | it has been said that apex is a tiny arm bootloader done by marc singer, or http://projects.buici.com/apex/, or a hackable dvd player http://www.nerd-out.com/darrenk/ |
| 18:21.26 | sorphin | T0mW: hey old codger |
| 18:21.51 | T0mW | sorphin: hello |
| 18:22.19 | T0mW | prpplague: nm, I have to find out what is up with the CFI |
| 18:23.13 | sorphin | T0mW: how's things? |
| 18:24.51 | T0mW | sorphin: busy, I've got a long-term project now, deadline is April 2007 |
| 18:31.01 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:31.26 | prpplague | T0mW: marc singer is a stickler for his patches |
| 18:33.10 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:33.11 | prpplague | we just lost a big sale for the m5900 :( |
| 18:33.12 | prpplague | because they use a windowsce app |
| 18:50.05 | jbevren | grumble |
| 18:50.08 | jbevren | we need wine-ce |
| 18:50.27 | jbevren | actually, a virtualization layer (a-la vmware) for arm would be quite elite |
| 18:50.55 | prpplague | well it wasn't a good conversation |
| 18:51.22 | jbevren | I'm going to use one of these as a romdisk for our homebrew z80 box |
| 19:00.52 | prpplague | thanks |
| 19:01.11 | prpplague | chouimat: i'd like a rickerds(sp?) as well |
| 19:01.13 | chouimat | alcohol: problem and solution to everything |
| 19:01.31 | prpplague | i think you are confusing that with money |
| 19:01.54 | sjhill | prpplague: got time for a question? |
| 19:01.57 | chouimat | prpplague: :) |
| 19:01.59 | prpplague | sjhill: sure |
| 19:02.20 | sjhill | prpplague: i have a case where i need the I2C to be up before any of the ethernets come up |
| 19:02.29 | sjhill | it looks like 2.6 has ethernet coming up first and then i2c |
| 19:02.35 | sjhill | every change init order before? |
| 19:03.07 | prpplague | sjhill: not recently |
| 19:03.16 | prpplague | sjhill: been awhile, back in 2.4 stuff |
| 19:03.36 | prpplague | sjhill: you need the full i2c driver to be up and running? |
| 19:03.55 | sjhill | yeah |
| 19:03.59 | sjhill | don't ask |
| 19:04.02 | sjhill | please don't ask |
| 19:04.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:04.20 | prpplague | sjhill: i think i have some notes |
| 19:04.26 | prpplague | sjhill: let me grep for them |
| 19:04.50 | sjhill | k |
| 19:09.35 | prpplague | sjhill: you doing a monolithic kernel? |
| 19:10.32 | sjhill | the i2c and ethernet will be part of the kernel image, yes |
| 19:13.20 | prpplague | sjhill: according to my notes you should be able to just change the order in the drivers/Makefile |
| 19:13.35 | jbevren | ah |
| 19:13.39 | jbevren | it loads in the order its linked? |
| 19:13.51 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 19:14.08 | sjhill | obj-$(CONFIG_PARPORT) += parport/ |
| 19:14.09 | sjhill | obj-y += base/ block/ misc/ mfd/ net/ media/ |
| 19:14.18 | sjhill | looks like i'll need to split the last line |
| 19:14.25 | sjhill | i would need base before i could use i2c |
| 19:14.40 | prpplague | sjhill: yep |
| 19:15.16 | prpplague | sjhill: actually i'm surprised that i2c isn't right next to spi |
| 19:15.32 | CosmicPenguin | people don't often associate the two |
| 19:15.42 | CosmicPenguin | for most of the world, i2c == sensors |
| 19:15.53 | CosmicPenguin | they are not aware of its usefulness elsewhere |
| 19:16.01 | jbevren | nod |
| 19:16.09 | jbevren | for things like audio, eth, etc |
| 19:16.21 | jbevren | strange though, |
| 19:16.35 | jbevren | its a bus driver, so it should be in the bus driver group (isa, pci, spi, i2c, etc) |
| 19:20.01 | sjhill | mental note |
| 19:20.13 | sjhill | remove drivers/builtin.o then rebuild for change to take effect |
| 19:20.20 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 19:20.32 | sjhill | worked great |
| 19:20.34 | sjhill | thx |
| 19:20.37 | prpplague | cool beans |
| 19:20.39 | prpplague | sjhill: np |
| 19:21.09 | prpplague | sjhill: you are using 2.6 right? |
| 19:22.40 | prpplague | shhhhh, chouimat is back, don't say anything about it him |
| 19:22.52 | chouimat | prpplague: (_|_) |
| 19:23.08 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 19:43.41 | T0mW | prpplague: got a minute? |
| 19:44.15 | T0mW | prpplague: you are using the AM29LV160 in your M7200? |
| 19:44.40 | prpplague | T0mW: no, we are using intel |
| 19:44.48 | T0mW | prpplague: which chip? |
| 19:45.16 | prpplague | T0mW: 28f128j3 |
| 19:45.25 | T0mW | strataflash |
| 19:45.32 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:45.46 | T0mW | that explains why the nor operations won't work |
| 19:46.04 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, you'll probably need to tweak some of the settings for the am flash |
| 19:46.16 | T0mW | the am29lv160 and s29al016m both need the "dance" |
| 19:46.30 | prpplague | T0mW: "dance" ? |
| 19:46.58 | T0mW | 0xAAA 0x555 , you know, the "dance" to prep for a command sequence |
| 19:47.23 | prpplague | T0mW: yea they should be cfi compatible, just slight variation |
| 19:47.40 | T0mW | secret knocking on the address buss to unclock the command microcode engine of the flash |
| 19:47.50 | prpplague | T0mW: you can look at the kernel mtd stuff for the different |
| 19:47.57 | T0mW | naw |
| 19:48.00 | prpplague | T0mW: those have amd cfi and intel cfi |
| 19:48.02 | T0mW | I've done this before |
| 19:48.29 | T0mW | the strataflash I haven't worked with, but this flash I have. |
| 19:48.44 | T0mW | prpplague: thanks, go back to sleep now. heh |
| 19:49.09 | prpplague | T0mW: got a bad ear infection :( |
| 19:50.36 | T0mW | prpplague: ah, ok, so there is nothing but strataflash in the apex code! |
| 19:50.58 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 19:50.59 | T0mW | prpplague: none of the older, more common variety. |
| 19:51.30 | prpplague | T0mW: yep, really the nor cfi driver should be marked as intel-nor |
| 19:51.32 | T0mW | got it, I'll have to do some rewrite,no, I'll make a new nor-standard-flash.c |
| 19:51.43 | T0mW | exactly |
| 19:51.57 | prpplague | T0mW: uh, well the AM is far from standard |
| 19:52.04 | prpplague | T0mW: the intel is closer to standard |
| 19:52.15 | T0mW | prpplague: no, only in the last 5 years |
| 19:52.38 | T0mW | prpplague: prior to that, the knock knock "dance" was very very standard for flash |
| 19:52.50 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, well, let me rephrase that |
| 19:52.54 | T0mW | as well as for EEPROMs |
| 19:52.56 | prpplague | T0mW: CFI standard |
| 19:53.07 | T0mW | heh, "standard" |
| 19:53.19 | prpplague | T0mW: CFI is what everyone goes by these days |
| 19:53.31 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, at least I know what is going on now. |
| 19:54.01 | T0mW | prpplague: CFI is like USB, you have no say in the matter, just "deal with it" |
| 19:54.09 | prpplague | "Detect non-CFI AMD/JEDEC-compatible flash chips" is how its listed in the kernel |
| 19:54.37 | T0mW | prpplague: naw, believe me, I've done a lot of this stuff. |
| 19:54.44 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:55.01 | prpplague | T0mW: i know, just letting you know how most of the linux community looks at the flash |
| 19:55.14 | T0mW | nod |
| 19:56.13 | T0mW | prpplague: I thought you were suggesting that I take the programming source from inside the kernel. I think I can repalce a couple of the key functions in the CFI code to make it work. |
| 19:56.48 | prpplague | T0mW: naw, what i meant was you could compare the intel-cfi code to the amd-cfi code |
| 19:57.01 | prpplague | T0mW: then modify the apex nor driver |
| 19:57.17 | prpplague | T0mW: most of the nor-cfi driver in apex came from the kernel |
| 19:57.22 | T0mW | you mean, the intel-cfi vs. the JEDEC |
| 19:57.30 | T0mW | heh |
| 19:57.51 | T0mW | too much work and not enough goofy-off! |
| 19:58.05 | T0mW | time to mow the lawn, cul |
| 19:58.14 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: no |
| 19:58.17 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: go look |
| 19:58.21 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: look at the kernel |
| 19:58.27 | T0mW`gone | k |
| 19:58.32 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: there is a AMD-cfi and there is a intel-cfi |
| 19:58.38 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: they are close but not the same |
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| 20:43.33 | CosmicPenguin | wow - not many kernel hacking gigs out there |
| 20:43.38 | CosmicPenguin | but everybody needs integrators and porters |
| 21:12.51 | jbevren | welp. first project for that thing will be replacing the firmwrae with Qtopia or something |
| 21:12.58 | jbevren | the whole thing runs in a JRE |
| 21:13.06 | jbevren | so its about as fast as snails in icewater |
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| 21:36.34 | [g2] | anyone play with NAND ? |
| 21:37.38 | T0mW`gone | [g2]: that is a big topic, almost like asking "you ever date a woman?" |
| 21:38.06 | [g2] | heh |
| 21:38.21 | [g2] | ok anyone play with NAND on ARM 2.6.16+ :) |
| 21:38.30 | [g2] | specific chips are fine |
| 21:39.05 | T0mW | [g2]: specifically, what are you looking to do? removeable media, onboard media, what? |
| 21:40.58 | [g2] | T0mW onboard, ideally boot flash and system |
| 21:42.23 | T0mW | [g2]: well, something like a s3c2410 processor has an integrated NAND controller. It will pull in the first 4k of then NAND device into SRAM, then boot the SRAM. But, that is totally integrated into the processor chip. |
| 21:43.16 | T0mW | [g2]: typically, boot flash is NOR |
| 21:44.10 | [g2] | T0mW`gone THX |
| 21:45.36 | T0mW`gone | [g2]: just a final thing, NOR is completely random access similar to using a RAM chip. NAND is a block oriented device which requires a controller of some kind, whether integrated (e.g. SD, comppact flash, etc.). |
| 21:45.51 | T0mW`gone | ... or external to the device. |
| 21:46.00 | jbevren | (a-la smartmedia, xd picture card) |
| 21:46.16 | [g2] | I think some can boot via SPI |
| 21:46.38 | T0mW`gone | [g2]: some Cirrus processors can, yes |
| 21:46.48 | T0mW`gone | samsung |
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| 21:47.52 | [g2] | T0mW`gone nod, the EP93xx I think |
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| 21:48.56 | jbevren | wb |
| 21:49.24 | prpplague | thanks |
| 21:50.32 | jbevren | prpplague: pepper runs everything in a jre |
| 21:50.35 | jbevren | disgustingly slow :X |
| 21:50.44 | jbevren | I'll have to work out how to get qtopia into it :) |
| 21:51.04 | prpplague | hehew |
| 21:53.42 | jbevren | prpplague: its a pretty decent looking platform heh |
| 21:58.25 | prpplague | jbevren: lovely, i just love coming home to find a nice big envelop from the US Army |
| 21:58.27 | prpplague | :( |
| 21:58.53 | jbevren | that'll teach you to let INS know where you live |
| 21:59.55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: is it bad news? |
| 21:59.57 | prpplague | hehe,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
| 21:59.58 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.16 | CosmicPenguin | oh, lord, he just fainted |
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| 22:00.55 | prpplague | keyboard problems |
| 22:01.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: might as well fainted |
| 22:01.32 | prpplague | gee whiz, i no i have to report in every 30 days to the army |
| 22:01.41 | CosmicPenguin | you're being called up? |
| 22:01.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not as of yet |
| 22:02.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but looks like they are getting short of volunteers |
| 22:02.15 | CosmicPenguin | of that there is no dobut |
| 22:03.35 | prpplague | wife can't live in the states without an inquistion and shit load of money, but they sure as hell want me to pay my taxes and show up for the army when they call me |
| 22:05.07 | CosmicPenguin | thats the united states for you |
| 22:06.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doubt they'd actually go so far as call me back, i've been out for a little over 6 years and i have my son to take care of |
| 22:06.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still, its kind of a pain |
| 22:21.32 | CosmicPenguin | no doubt |
| 22:35.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: crap nbc evening news just reported that the army is planning to call people up |
| 22:36.51 | prpplague | well, one thing is for sure, if i get called up, donna gets to go to the states no matter what |
| 22:48.33 | prpplague | man what a crappy day |
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