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| 01:49.30 | Exiles | Anyone around? |
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| 01:51.38 | bioeng | Hello everyone |
| 01:51.41 | bioeng | Is anyone around? |
| 01:55.11 | Exiles | I'm in need of a USB parallel port adaptor, that allows direct mapping. any suggestions? |
| 01:57.53 | bioeng | I'm wanting to know more about Boeing |
| 01:58.02 | bioeng | I want to know what it is like there |
| 01:59.30 | MonMotha | Exiles: what are you going to use it for/ |
| 01:59.31 | MonMotha | ? |
| 01:59.36 | Exiles | programers |
| 01:59.42 | Exiles | jtag |
| 02:00.17 | MonMotha | why not just get a USB enabled micro and do it all in hardware? |
| 02:00.55 | Exiles | I want a simple premade solution for now |
| 02:01.10 | bioeng | Wow |
| 02:01.25 | bioeng | Now I really think my EE program wasn't very good |
| 02:01.37 | MonMotha | Exiles: then get a real parallel port, I guess |
| 02:01.50 | MonMotha | I don't know of any USB ones that have decent enough timing to work reliably for JTAG |
| 02:01.58 | Exiles | okay |
| 02:02.13 | Exiles | any suggestions on such a card? |
| 02:02.18 | bioeng | Anyone know anything about Boeing? |
| 02:02.28 | bioeng | I apologize |
| 02:02.36 | bioeng | I spoke too soon |
| 02:02.40 | MonMotha | compusa had one a while back (and may still) based on an Oxford Semi chip |
| 02:02.47 | MonMotha | PCI, 4 serial ports (!!!), 1 parllel |
| 02:02.51 | bioeng | Exiles can have his question answered first |
| 02:03.08 | MonMotha | 2 of the serial ports are unpopulated, but easy enough to do |
| 02:03.09 | Exiles | hmm, okay |
| 02:03.41 | Exiles | I just want a good card, and I don't want to get a crap one |
| 02:03.58 | MonMotha | I have one, and it works well |
| 02:04.08 | MonMotha | parallel port timing seems stable, and the serial ports work very quickly |
| 02:04.43 | Exiles | can you get me the model of the chip? |
| 02:05.03 | MonMotha | 0000:00:0c.0 Serial controller: Oxford Semiconductor Ltd OX16PCI954 (Quad 16950 UART) function 0 |
| 02:05.03 | MonMotha | 0000:00:0c.1 Parallel controller: Oxford Semiconductor Ltd: Unknown device 9513 |
| 02:05.24 | MonMotha | parallel port works in linux, despite pcitools not knowing it |
| 02:05.36 | MonMotha | game time... |
| 02:05.58 | Exiles | cool |
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| 11:34.45 | chouimat | morning |
| 11:34.56 | T0mW | again?! |
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| 15:11.02 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: you work for a hand scanner company, right? |
| 15:14.25 | prpplague | sunrunner20: yea we do barcode scanning |
| 15:17.03 | sunrunner20 | think they would donnate one(or a cople) to my school or give a discount? |
| 15:17.05 | sunrunner20 | ps |
| 15:17.07 | sunrunner20 | website? |
| 15:19.26 | prpplague | sunrunner20: need to be a little more specific we do a whole lot of different barcode scanning |
| 15:19.35 | prpplague | sunrunner20: something in particular you wanting? |
| 15:22.02 | sunrunner20 | something powerfull enough that it can handle scripting(of some sort), multipul barcode formats(if such a thing exists) for entering information to a database |
| 15:22.13 | sunrunner20 | and storing the info |
| 15:23.40 | prpplague | sunrunner20: ok so you are not talking just barcode scanning, you need a handheld system that can do barcode scanning |
| 15:26.43 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 15:27.02 | sunrunner20 | i've seen ones that are a pda with a grip and a scanner but i don't think i'll need that powerfull of one |
| 15:27.22 | prpplague | http://www.amltd.com |
| 15:27.58 | prpplague | sunrunner20: what are you gonna be doing with it? |
| 15:29.02 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 15:29.04 | sunrunner20 | data entry |
| 15:29.06 | prpplague | sunrunner20: why not just get a pda with a barcode scanner cf card? |
| 15:29.09 | sunrunner20 | computer system managment |
| 15:29.23 | sunrunner20 | barcode everything 'cause i' |
| 15:29.30 | sunrunner20 | m tired of going around and getting sysinfor |
| 15:29.50 | sunrunner20 | granted it won't be my problem for very long |
| 15:30.19 | sunrunner20 | sr year |
| 15:31.22 | prpplague | cheapest route would be to purchase a used ipaq, and get a barcode backpack |
| 15:45.32 | prpplague | sunrunner20: hehe you could get a bunch of pixter-mm's with barcode scanners! |
| 15:59.17 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 16:09.22 | prpplague | hmm |
| 16:09.24 | prpplague | interesting |
| 16:09.26 | prpplague | http://www.google.com/trends?q=datasheet&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all |
| 16:09.42 | prpplague | the top city listing was not what i was expecting |
| 16:14.06 | prpplague | that result kinda bothers me |
| 16:14.45 | prpplague | http://www.google.com/trends?q=pdf&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all |
| 16:14.52 | prpplague | also the highest on pdf searches |
| 16:18.46 | youam | prpplague: these are normalized values. i think there's just not as much private internet usage in tehran as in other cities |
| 16:23.04 | prpplague | ahh didn't notice that |
| 16:24.01 | prpplague | youam: still that seems odd that the word datasheet would be searched for that much |
| 16:24.15 | prpplague | youam: as tehran isn't exactly a hub of technology |
| 16:27.03 | youam | prpplague: http://www.google.com/trends?q=debian&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all - theres seven german cities in the top ten for germany... |
| 16:27.12 | youam | erm... |
| 16:27.16 | youam | for debian |
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| 18:24.59 | T0mW | prpplague: PLOW, Programed Low Observability Weapon. Thats it, the army wants you behind a PLOW. |
| 18:32.20 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:35.09 | prpplague | todays is hotter than a whore on payday |
| 18:41.59 | Exiles | hey |
| 18:42.16 | prpplague | is for horses |
| 18:42.47 | Exiles | Anyone know of a good USB to parrelel port adaptor? it needs to allow me to write directly to it, and needs to be fully linux compatable. for jtag and programmers. |
| 18:44.52 | prpplague | http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdevcat.php?id=6 |
| 18:45.07 | prpplague | there are literally hundreds that meet that requirement |
| 18:45.36 | prpplague | Exiles: plus there are a number of generic devices that can be used to make a parallel port such as the FT2232 from FTDI |
| 18:45.37 | Exiles | yeah, but you have to ask, which ones, if you don't know |
| 18:46.04 | prpplague | Exiles: i've never seen a usb->parport that doesn't work under linux |
| 18:46.30 | prpplague | Exiles: if you check the usb database you can see a list of them |
| 18:47.06 | prpplague | Exiles: what are you wanting to do? |
| 18:47.11 | Exiles | just finding one that is addressed as lpt0 and so on, so I can use it easily, and quickly |
| 18:47.30 | Exiles | run a few chip programmers, and jtag style programmers |
| 18:48.48 | prpplague | Exiles: well, just about everyone i've ever run across you can access and use as a standard parport |
| 18:49.03 | prpplague | Exiles: but if you want to do jtag, might as well get a FT2232 |
| 18:49.07 | Exiles | I've heard of many that aren't worth it |
| 18:49.16 | prpplague | Exiles: such as? |
| 18:49.25 | Exiles | and I've heard hoar storys about how they dosn't work |
| 18:50.33 | prpplague | Exiles: like i said, i've never found one that doesn't work properly and i've tested alot |
| 18:50.42 | prpplague | Exiles: is there a specific model you were told about? |
| 18:51.20 | Exiles | no |
| 18:51.37 | Exiles | just overall haor storys about how much crap they are |
| 18:51.54 | prpplague | thats interesting |
| 18:52.13 | Exiles | how they don't work for programmers, and jtag useage |
| 18:53.00 | prpplague | Exiles: well, if they don't work, its probably due to poor programming on the software side |
| 18:53.28 | prpplague | Exiles: but as far as jtag goes, why would you want to use a parport jtag dongle with a usb interface? kinda was of resources |
| 18:53.33 | prpplague | waste |
| 18:54.05 | Exiles | because all the programs I use address it via lpt0 |
| 18:54.22 | prpplague | Exiles: we are talking linux correct? |
| 18:54.29 | Exiles | and windows |
| 18:54.43 | prpplague | oh well i can say nothing about windows |
| 18:54.49 | Exiles | but I figure if linux can seal with it right, windows should be able to too |
| 18:55.08 | Exiles | must be nice |
| 18:55.15 | prpplague | Exiles: it is |
| 18:55.31 | Exiles | I'm forced to use windows |
| 18:55.41 | prpplague | Exiles: why? |
| 18:55.48 | prpplague | Exiles: what forces you to use windows? |
| 18:55.52 | Exiles | Orcad |
| 18:56.10 | prpplague | ahh, i use eagle for linux |
| 18:56.19 | Exiles | and other misc stuff I'm needed to use for school |
| 18:56.50 | prpplague | fun fun |
| 18:56.55 | Exiles | yeah |
| 18:57.04 | Exiles | Computer Hardware Engnering |
| 18:57.05 | prpplague | Exiles: well, as far as linux goes, parport adapters work fine |
| 18:57.26 | prpplague | Exiles: i've used parport adapters to run eprom programmers as well as jtag |
| 18:57.48 | Exiles | thats why I'm getting advice, cause I don't know anything about them |
| 18:57.48 | prpplague | Exiles: but most of the time i just use something like the ez-usb or FT2232 to do what i need to do |
| 18:57.58 | Exiles | ok |
| 18:58.10 | Exiles | I've got the choice between usb, and pci |
| 18:58.28 | Exiles | usb, I can add/remove from the front of my pc whenever |
| 18:58.39 | Exiles | pci I have to leave it always |
| 18:59.13 | T0mW | Exiles: and leaving it in all the time would be a "bad thing"? |
| 18:59.37 | Exiles | just annoying sometimes |
| 18:59.38 | prpplague | Exiles: if you are worried about compatibilty just go with the pci |
| 18:59.43 | Exiles | okay |
| 19:01.07 | T0mW | prpplague: question, "input: s3c2410 Touchscreen as /class/intput/input0", ok, now how do I use it? heh |
| 19:01.38 | T0mW | prpplague: it doesn't seem to create a device entry, nor can I get one to use the driver. |
| 19:01.46 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, good question, i've not used the TS input layer for 2.6 |
| 19:01.55 | prpplague | T0mW: all of our devices don't have TS |
| 19:02.23 | T0mW | prpplague: At this point, I am wondering why not just load familiar on the thing? |
| 19:03.12 | T0mW | prpplague: then, just strip out what is not needed / used. |
| 19:03.46 | prpplague | T0mW: probably could do it that way |
| 19:03.58 | T0mW | prpplague: I've used the input layer on the mythtv box to integrate an IR keyboard into linux as the console keyboard. |
| 19:04.00 | prpplague | T0mW: i think you might run into some long term maintance issues with the code |
| 19:04.35 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I would just make a private copy and branch off from there. |
| 19:04.50 | prpplague | T0mW: then it becomes stagnate |
| 19:05.11 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, but I don't see that as a problem. |
| 19:05.59 | prpplague | T0mW: example, aml did the original m7100 code base the same way, but when that was done, very few people were even using wep |
| 19:06.08 | prpplague | T0mW: later they had to work hard to update to wep |
| 19:06.25 | T0mW | prpplague: what I'm thinking of is to get the X-server and some window manager running on the unit, then use lazarus to build gui apps with. Apparently, free pascal will cross compile onto ARM platforms. |
| 19:06.28 | prpplague | T0mW: and then even furture on, i had to virtually overhaul the entire build to add WPA |
| 19:06.57 | prpplague | T0mW: oh, i thought he was going do the gui on a wince device |
| 19:07.04 | T0mW | prpplague: you are using acronyms that I'm not familiar with. |
| 19:07.16 | prpplague | T0mW: wireless security |
| 19:07.21 | T0mW | prpplague: ok |
| 19:07.58 | prpplague | T0mW: basically because their linux kernel tree was stagnate and wasn't getting update, when it came time to update to some new features or requirments, it was a major issue |
| 19:08.15 | T0mW | prpplague: well, this makes sense doesn't it: 1) have a 200MHz processor in the backend handling the SPI traffic, then have a 200MHz processor in the front panel just to run a WinCE gui? |
| 19:08.15 | Exiles | Thanks for the advice, any PCI cards you can reccomend? |
| 19:08.29 | prpplague | Exiles: if you are worried about compatibilty, yea |
| 19:08.38 | Exiles | I am |
| 19:08.42 | prpplague | then pci |
| 19:09.00 | Exiles | any particular chipsets? |
| 19:09.15 | prpplague | Exiles: again, never run across one that didn't work |
| 19:09.27 | prpplague | T0mW: not to me, but..... |
| 19:09.30 | Exiles | okay |
| 19:09.44 | T0mW | prpplague: LPT & Serial cards are brain-dead simple cards. You should not run into issues with PCI cards of that nature. |
| 19:09.55 | prpplague | T0mW: yep |
| 19:10.53 | prpplague | T0mW: you every looked at using fltk for your gui? |
| 19:11.10 | T0mW | prpplague: one of the issues is stability, another is that Underwriters Laboratories require re-testing of your software if your version changes significantly. |
| 19:11.12 | prpplague | T0mW: it's c++ so you might prefer the pascal |
| 19:11.31 | T0mW | prpplague: I don't particularly like c++ |
| 19:11.50 | prpplague | T0mW: well if you want stability, i'd stay away from familiar then, hehe |
| 19:12.02 | T0mW | hmmm |
| 19:12.37 | T0mW | well, maybe I'll swipe some apps to get me going then and leave it as a buildroot system then. |
| 19:13.39 | T0mW | prpplague: I found a patch for 2.6.17 for the HP 1940 which implements the touchscreen, nand controller config, MMC interface / block layer, and USB Gadget driver. |
| 19:14.17 | Exiles | Thanks very much for the advice prpp |
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