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| 13:22.25 | prpplague | philv: i see you are still hanging around |
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| 13:23.22 | philv | Yup |
| 13:23.25 | philv | :) |
| 13:23.30 | prpplague | holy moly, its that sjhill guy |
| 13:23.44 | sjhill | you know it baby |
| 13:23.51 | philv | Watch out, I hear he bites |
| 13:24.00 | sjhill | *snap* *snap* *snap* |
| 13:24.26 | sjhill | prpplague: got time for a question? |
| 13:24.32 | prpplague | philv: sjhill is like the komodo dragons, its not the bite thats the problem, its all the nasty bacteria thats left in the bite |
| 13:24.41 | sjhill | precisely |
| 13:24.44 | prpplague | sjhill: sure, just getting warmed up today |
| 13:25.27 | sjhill | prpplague: i need the ability to cycle power to a device, but with 100ms resolution |
| 13:25.44 | sjhill | know of any PCI, USB or other peripheral boards that can do this? |
| 13:26.01 | sjhill | voltage of around 28V and curret draw of maybe 5A |
| 13:26.44 | prpplague | hmm |
| 13:26.52 | prpplague | sjhill: this gonna be done from a pcb? |
| 13:27.07 | prpplague | sjhill: sorry PC |
| 13:27.16 | prpplague | sjhill: or an embedded device? |
| 13:27.48 | prpplague | sjhill: 100ms is a pretty short time |
| 13:28.31 | sjhill | PC or embedded, either one is fine |
| 13:28.38 | sjhill | yeah, the time is short |
| 13:29.31 | prpplague | sjhill: ok so let me see if i understand the situation, you have something a device that is powered off, and within 100ms of an even you need the device powered on? |
| 13:29.40 | prpplague | s/even/event |
| 13:31.24 | sjhill | yep |
| 13:32.33 | prpplague | sjhill: what kind of event is triggering it? basic irq? |
| 13:36.39 | prpplague | sjhill: typical parport cycle is about 20ms, so in theory, as long as the even was handled in a timely mannger you could just use a standard parport line to toggle a switching transistor |
| 13:36.52 | sjhill | doh |
| 13:36.53 | prpplague | s/even/event |
| 13:36.54 | sjhill | of course |
| 13:37.07 | sjhill | that would probably work just fine |
| 13:38.08 | T0mW | or, solid-state relay |
| 13:38.15 | prpplague | sjhill: the only thing you may have to be careful with is the transition time for a 5A device |
| 13:38.58 | prpplague | T0mW: whats the time delay on those? |
| 13:39.03 | sjhill | prpplague: but that's a function of the device itself, right? |
| 13:39.09 | prpplague | sjhill: correct |
| 13:39.16 | T0mW | never bothered with them, but I know they exist |
| 13:39.31 | prpplague | sjhill: you'd be able to look at the datasheet and find out |
| 13:40.01 | sjhill | sure |
| 13:40.05 | T0mW | I would use a HexFET for what you want to do though, they handle hi amperages and are easy to interface to. |
| 13:40.26 | T0mW | IRF530 class device |
| 13:40.42 | T0mW | IRF540, etc. |
| 13:41.06 | prpplague | T0mW: yea thats what i was looking for |
| 13:41.36 | sjhill | those look nice |
| 13:42.10 | T0mW | ttl level controllable, high voltage high current output, but your problem is that you want to turn on power, not ground a power line. So, some eningeering is required. If you only need one or two of these things, spend the money on a solid state relay: simple device. |
| 13:42.12 | chouimat | hi prpplague sjhill T0mW |
| 13:42.30 | prpplague | chouimat: morning |
| 13:42.31 | sjhill | hey chouimat |
| 13:42.40 | T0mW | chouimat: gm |
| 13:43.17 | sjhill | T0mW: ok, i can have a couple of the HW guys have a gander |
| 13:43.41 | sjhill | meeting time.... |
| 13:43.41 | T0mW | chouimat: or "--. --" in CW |
| 13:43.45 | sjhill | thx a lot guys! |
| 13:43.53 | T0mW | sjhill: time for a nap, eh? |
| 13:44.00 | prpplague | sjhill: just did a quick test with my holly-gates jtag dongle, i was able to triger an irq and get a reponse within 8ms |
| 13:45.05 | sjhill | prpplague: *nod* |
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| 15:40.19 | jbevren | wb bottie |
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| 16:55.24 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9388110945.html |
| 16:55.28 | prpplague | now thats interesting |
| 16:56.07 | jbevren | 52M/sec?! |
| 16:56.51 | chouimat | prpplague: this one too http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/06/09/06/1331256.shtml |
| 16:56.53 | prpplague | sorphin: gee thanks, i can always could on a friendly greeting from you, hehe |
| 16:56.55 | CosmicPenguin | interesting indeed |
| 16:57.04 | jbevren | ah |
| 16:57.05 | CosmicPenguin | Interesting choice of controller too |
| 16:57.08 | jbevren | yeah the 24" imac |
| 16:57.13 | jbevren | I dont like the flowerpot design though |
| 16:57.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: why's that? |
| 16:57.18 | CosmicPenguin | Assuming its the new spec that can do the 50mhz clock |
| 16:57.24 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, well, it was either that or put matches between your toes |
| 16:57.37 | chouimat | jbevren: I'm waiting for the 30" one ;) |
| 16:57.43 | jbevren | chouimat: Mwahahaha |
| 16:57.49 | jbevren | I want a few 30" panels |
| 16:57.52 | jbevren | just for brag factor |
| 16:58.00 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
| 16:58.03 | chouimat | jbevren: hehe |
| 16:58.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats interesting about the choice of controller? |
| 16:58.11 | jbevren | I rather enjoy my three 17s |
| 16:58.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that they chose MMC for a soldered down chip rather then a NAND internface |
| 16:58.37 | CosmicPenguin | I like it |
| 16:58.44 | jbevren | oh wait |
| 16:59.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, thats what i like about that, the fact that you can treat it as a mmc card |
| 16:59.05 | jbevren | ohhh |
| 16:59.13 | chouimat | wow the 24" is only 2250 CAD |
| 16:59.14 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 16:59.48 | chouimat | the core duo2 is 64bits? |
| 16:59.54 | jbevren | I think so |
| 17:00.00 | jbevren | core2 duo that is |
| 17:00.04 | sorphin | blech Core duo |
| 17:00.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we like to use sd/mmc for storage, but the socket has a pretty large pcb footprint and case when compared to a tsop-48 |
| 17:00.26 | chouimat | jbevren: for 2250 cad (or 1999usd) this is cheap :) |
| 17:00.28 | prpplague | s/case/cost |
| 17:00.30 | jbevren | sorphin: I like mine |
| 17:00.58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you like to use sd/mmc for storage because of the formfactor or the controller architecture? |
| 17:01.04 | sorphin | jbevren: nod |
| 17:01.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: controller arch, i.e. spi |
| 17:01.16 | sorphin | jbevren: the Intel CPUs i like are very limited |
| 17:01.21 | CosmicPenguin | you won't get 52Mb/s over SPI |
| 17:01.28 | CosmicPenguin | you'll need all four wires for that |
| 17:01.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not really interested in the speed, mainly the size/footprint |
| 17:01.48 | jbevren | sorphin: p4 can suck it :) |
| 17:01.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i.e. overall costs |
| 17:01.52 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:02.01 | jbevren | but my laptop is core duo, and pulls an impressive 2500MB/sec on ram |
| 17:02.08 | jbevren | faster ram means faster cpu, no matter how inefficient :) |
| 17:02.24 | sorphin | jbevren: my P4 box is a sheer disappointment.. my P3 Tualatin smokes it |
| 17:02.48 | jbevren | sorphin: indeed |
| 17:02.49 | sorphin | 2.66ghz (p4) vs 1.13ghz (tualatin) |
| 17:02.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: trust me, no matter how fast you scan barcodes, we aren't gonna have a performance problem using spi for data access, hehe |
| 17:03.58 | jbevren | prpplague: 4gig in a spi-bus chip |
| 17:04.01 | jbevren | that's just plain sweet |
| 17:04.05 | prpplague | yep |
| 17:04.23 | jbevren | run two parallel SPI buses for IncrediblyFast(TM) internal storage |
| 17:04.31 | jbevren | (stripe-raid the flash chips) |
| 17:05.24 | prpplague | jbevren: virtually everything in our new line of devices is spi |
| 17:06.04 | philv | We do SPI here too :/ |
| 17:06.21 | prpplague | jbevren: barcode scanner, lcd contrast/power, suspend/resume, keyboard, 10baseT, sd/mmc access |
| 17:06.23 | philv | But only for some light control/debug stuff |
| 17:06.42 | prpplague | philv: we are working towards having reusable design modules |
| 17:06.58 | jbevren | prpplague: random question, what do you think of the usability of an rs232 framebuffer (the fb's only 32kbyte insize) |
| 17:07.02 | prpplague | philv: where when the core board changes we can still use the external parts without modification |
| 17:07.08 | philv | Yeah |
| 17:07.33 | philv | OUr world here is a little different, since if we do a board redesign we're doing a massive product refresh usually |
| 17:07.44 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i've been looking at some of those rs-232 base GUI projects |
| 17:07.56 | jbevren | prpplague: This is a personal project heh |
| 17:07.56 | prpplague | philv: ahh |
| 17:08.12 | jbevren | prpplague: a compact mac (512x342x1bpp) display |
| 17:08.28 | prpplague | jbevren: why that resolution? |
| 17:08.41 | jbevren | prpplague: the display's resolution is fixed |
| 17:08.50 | jbevren | 16mhz clock, internal screen on an old mac |
| 17:09.04 | philv | prpplague: and in that case there's a few billion dollars involved ;) |
| 17:09.20 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:09.34 | prpplague | philv: who is your employer? |
| 17:09.40 | philv | Nortel |
| 17:09.45 | prpplague | ahh |
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| 17:09.57 | prpplague | philv: http://www.amltd.com |
| 17:12.16 | jbevren | :) |
| 17:12.36 | prpplague | philv: we want to cut our development time for a custom design down to 90 days |
| 17:13.12 | prpplague | philv: with previous designs (before i arrived) we taking about 12-18 months, way way too long |
| 17:13.48 | prpplague | philv: right now, we are sitting at 4-6 months for new designs, but i think thats still too long |
| 17:14.56 | philv | Hrmn, nice |
| 17:15.20 | philv | I think our average design cycle is about a year and a half, heh |
| 17:15.24 | philv | Depends on what area. |
| 17:15.37 | philv | We churn out new IP phone designs in 3-4 months |
| 17:16.02 | prpplague | philv: our market is competative on new products, so the faster we can get to market on a niche item the better |
| 17:16.56 | philv | True that |
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| 17:19.15 | mbuf | what does it mean by "chip-width" and "bus-width" in flash options in openocd ? |
| 17:19.54 | sjhill | chip-width = number of physical flash chips |
| 17:20.21 | sjhill | bus-width = width of databus that the chips are configured into |
| 17:20.31 | philv | OpenOCD? |
| 17:20.49 | sjhill | chip-width = width is the width of the data path on the flash chip itself, sorry |
| 17:22.50 | mbuf | philv, yes |
| 17:23.38 | philv | What's OpenOCD? |
| 17:23.41 | prpplague | philv: http://openocd.berlios.de/web/ |
| 17:23.49 | philv | Oh cute |
| 17:23.51 | philv | Yeah |
| 17:23.55 | philv | Remembered this great tool |
| 17:23.57 | philv | "google" |
| 17:24.00 | mbuf | so can you tell me how to infer it from http://www.spansion.com/datasheets/22358b6.pdf Am29LV160D |
| 17:24.00 | philv | ;) |
| 17:24.00 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:24.21 | prpplague | mbuf: no, not without the full schematic of the device |
| 17:24.24 | philv | Oooh Spansion flash |
| 17:24.27 | philv | Good choice |
| 17:24.36 | mbuf | philv, and what would you tell a person if he/she doesn't know google :) |
| 17:24.54 | mbuf | prpplague, hold on, will get the link |
| 17:25.26 | prpplague | philv: i add a google/linux search box to firefox the other day, got tired of always typing it in |
| 17:26.14 | philv | Hehehe |
| 17:26.18 | mbuf | http://www.littlechips.com/downloads/customer/CD_Images/LN2410SBC/Docs/22358b5.pdf |
| 17:26.27 | mbuf | the spansion chip |
| 17:26.46 | mbuf | data sheet, http://www.littlechips.com/downloads/customer/CD_Images/LN2410SBC/Docs/LN2410SBC_R1.6.pdf |
| 17:27.05 | chouimat | prpplague: http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=sex&btnG=Search |
| 17:28.39 | prpplague | mbuf: bus-width and chip-width are both 16 |
| 17:29.44 | mbuf | prpplague, is it the U5 block under memory in the schematic ? |
| 17:30.05 | mbuf | bus-width is D0-D15 |
| 17:30.07 | prpplague | mbuf: yes |
| 17:30.13 | prpplague | mbuf: yes |
| 17:30.38 | mbuf | so then what is the difference between bus-width and chip-width ? |
| 17:31.18 | prpplague | mbuf: see u6 and u9, the sdram? the chip-width is 16, but the bus-width is 32 |
| 17:32.44 | mbuf | prpplague, so the sum of the chip-widths is the bus-width |
| 17:33.03 | prpplague | mbuf: not nessarily |
| 17:33.34 | mbuf | prpplague, depends on how many you choose from select signals ? |
| 17:34.56 | mbuf | time to test it, catch you guyz later |
| 17:34.59 | prpplague | chouimat: oh nice |
| 17:35.02 | prpplague | mbuf: later |
| 17:36.15 | chouimat | prpplague: yup ... and one of the nice thing of working at home ;) |
| 17:36.50 | prpplague | chouimat: samuel smith ? |
| 17:36.50 | chouimat | prpplague: fuller's |
| 17:36.50 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:37.09 | chouimat | prpplague: the one with coffee and chocolate taste |
| 17:38.55 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe, i ranked it as 4.7 on ratebeer.com |
| 17:39.23 | chouimat | prpplague: out of 10? 5? |
| 17:39.28 | prpplague | out of 5 |
| 17:39.50 | chouimat | prpplague: it's a great beer ... and i goes "well" with my lunch (eggs) |
| 17:41.03 | prpplague | chouimat: aroma 9/10 appearance 5/5 flavor 9/10 palate 5/5 overall 19/20 |
| 17:55.45 | philv | Alexander Keith's |
| 17:57.33 | prpplague | philv: not had that one but looks nice - http://www.ratebeer.com/Beer/alexander-keiths-india-pale-ale/1518/ |
| 17:57.58 | philv | My beer of choice :) |
| 17:58.22 | chouimat | prpplague: shit now I have to go to the pub ... I usually get this one on tap ;) |
| 17:58.47 | jbevren | stupid blog sites |
| 17:58.52 | jbevren | if you dont include the / its 404 |
| 17:59.21 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not a huge Alexander Keith's fan |
| 17:59.32 | CosmicPenguin | I've had way better IPAs |
| 17:59.41 | philv | Me too |
| 17:59.51 | philv | But it's cheap, plentiful and doesn't taste half bad |
| 18:00.05 | philv | I prefer it on draught rather than in a bottle, however. |
| 18:02.06 | prpplague | chouimat: which one on tap? the IPA? |
| 18:02.13 | chouimat | keiths |
| 18:02.18 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh |
| 18:03.02 | prpplague | http://www.ratebeer.com/Beer/stone-ruination-ipa/14709/ |
| 18:03.08 | prpplague | one of my favorite IPA's |
| 18:03.38 | CosmicPenguin | You rarely find a mis-hit with stone |
| 18:03.48 | jbevren | hm |
| 18:03.49 | jbevren | whats ipa mean |
| 18:04.03 | prpplague | Indian Pale Ale |
| 18:04.09 | jbevren | ah |
| 18:04.14 | CosmicPenguin | Arrogant bastard is a better Stone beer though |
| 18:04.21 | CosmicPenguin | I have one sitting in my fridge right now, actually |
| 18:04.25 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:04.29 | prpplague | a method of beer that was developed for transporting beer from england to indian |
| 18:04.29 | jbevren | I pondered getting some to try it |
| 18:04.33 | jbevren | cant find it around here though |
| 18:04.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, ABA is by far my favorite beer |
| 18:04.56 | CosmicPenguin | favorite is probably stretching it |
| 18:04.59 | CosmicPenguin | but it is a good beer |
| 18:05.59 | prpplague | jbevren: http://brewingtechniques.com/library/styles/2_2style.html |
| 18:06.04 | philv | If yo can get it, get Fin Du Monde |
| 18:06.12 | philv | Brewed by Unibroue |
| 18:06.15 | prpplague | philv: of course |
| 18:06.32 | philv | If I can get it, that's what I get. |
| 18:06.36 | philv | Best beer on earth, imo |
| 18:06.50 | prpplague | philv: i find that la fin du monde seems to "hit" me harder than other beers |
| 18:07.16 | chouimat | prpplague: La Maudite is good too ;) |
| 18:07.17 | philv | Well, it is 9% |
| 18:07.25 | philv | Yeah |
| 18:07.45 | philv | Blanche de Chambly is also good |
| 18:08.38 | prpplague | chouimat: yea la maudite is good , much harder to find the la fin du monde in texas |
| 18:08.40 | jbevren | haha |
| 18:08.43 | jbevren | simmer the water out of the wort |
| 18:08.46 | jbevren | there goes the alchohol :) |
| 18:08.59 | prpplague | jbevren: ?? |
| 18:09.00 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.ratebeer.com/Beer/k%F6stritzer-schwarzbier/2225/ |
| 18:09.02 | CosmicPenguin | mmm.... |
| 18:09.02 | chouimat | prpplague: me having no problem here |
| 18:09.11 | CosmicPenguin | I have many happy memories of drinking that in Dresden |
| 18:09.14 | jbevren | Finally, in 1772 Henry Pelham, Secretary to the Commissioner of Victualling, suggested that brewers simmer away most of the water from their wort. Once at sea the sailors could add water and let the beer "stand to acquire a proper spirit and briskness." |
| 18:10.44 | philv | Oh Trois Pistoles is also good |
| 18:10.50 | philv | But oh my... be careful with it |
| 18:11.18 | ohsix | swapon -s |
| 18:11.46 | prpplague | jbevren: the wort is before adding the yeast, so no problem with alcohol |
| 18:12.53 | jbevren | oh |
| 18:12.55 | CosmicPenguin | One of the best beers I have ever had is a seasonal brew here http://www.ratebeer.com/Place/Country/dresden/brauhaus-und-ballhaus-watzke/4788.htm |
| 18:12.59 | prpplague | jbevren: as soon as you add yeast to the wort, its called beer |
| 18:13.11 | jbevren | prpplague: the yeast ferments the wort. gotcha |
| 18:13.57 | CosmicPenguin | the yeast eats the sugar in the wort |
| 18:17.56 | prpplague | jbevren: up until around around 1800, there were only three types of very wealthy people, 1) royalty 2) land owners and 3) distillery and brewery owners |
| 18:18.12 | prpplague | jbevren: brewing beer is far more complicated than brewing wine |
| 18:18.20 | prpplague | jbevren: takes alot of skill |
| 18:18.21 | CosmicPenguin | far more |
| 18:18.27 | CosmicPenguin | wine just takes mixing |
| 18:18.39 | jbevren | prpplague: nod |
| 18:18.44 | CosmicPenguin | the skill in wine making comes from choosing the ingredients and the casks, not the actual procedure |
| 18:19.58 | CosmicPenguin | oh, and how long to age it, I guess |
| 18:20.02 | prpplague | you'll find that alot of the people today who are "tech geeks" would have ended up in the brewery business as they often employeed the last technology |
| 18:21.27 | prpplague | like for instance the monks at chimay abbey, their beer bottles kept poping the corks out. they got word that another monk had developed a special cork for his sparkling wine, so the pryer went to see this other monk and brought the tech back |
| 18:22.23 | prpplague | that monk happened to be dom perion, and the tech, the mushroom shapped cork |
| 18:23.33 | prpplague | yea yea, i never could spell his name right |
| 18:23.51 | prpplague | best i can do spell those "frechy" names, hehe |
| 18:25.32 | philv | Dom Perignon? |
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| 18:26.21 | chouimat | prpplague: you're not alone even me have problem with those names ;) |
| 18:26.28 | philv | One of my friends bought a bottle of Dom Perignon that cost like 185 bucks |
| 18:26.31 | mbuf | quick question, what is the default sector size used in openocd ? |
| 18:26.34 | philv | Still tasted like tin foil |
| 18:27.05 | mbuf | version 86, i am able to see the flash display, cfi works fine, but, not sure how many sectors in 2 MB of AMD flash |
| 18:30.04 | prpplague | mbuf: check the datasheet it will show you the erase block size for each sector |
| 18:30.17 | mbuf | prpplague, i see |
| 18:30.24 | prpplague | mbuf: datasheet is your friend |
| 18:31.05 | prpplague | jbevren: ugh, i can't belive it, california is gonna make finacial assitance available for illegals who want to attend college |
| 18:31.11 | prpplague | jbevren: that makes me furious |
| 18:32.16 | jbevren | the fuck? |
| 18:32.22 | jbevren | thats it, I'm quitting and going to california |
| 18:32.57 | jbevren | prpplague: got a link to the story? |
| 18:33.06 | jbevren | that brings a question |
| 18:33.07 | chouimat | jbevren: hehe |
| 18:33.13 | jbevren | when the illegals sign up for the assistance |
| 18:33.15 | jbevren | do they get deported? |
| 18:33.27 | jbevren | maybe its entrapment :) |
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| 18:36.05 | prpplague | jbevren: nope |
| 18:36.16 | prpplague | jbevren: its call the "california dream" bill |
| 18:36.31 | ohsix | damn hippies |
| 18:36.33 | chouimat | prpplague: nice |
| 18:36.41 | prpplague | jbevren: video only on foxnews.com |
| 18:37.18 | ohsix | i bet ESL is mandatory :) (college would probably end up being cheaper in the long run, too) |
| 18:37.26 | prpplague | jbevren: they can already attend college without being legal, but they now will be able to get finacial assitance |
| 18:37.28 | mbuf | prpplague, can you confirm it is Table 2-Sector Address Table in http://www.littlechips.com/downloads/customer/CD_Images/LN2410SBC/Docs/22358b5.pdf that shows 64KB/sector |
| 18:38.10 | prpplague | mbuf: d00d, is there no one at your work that can help you? |
| 18:38.56 | mbuf | prpplague, its 0000 hrs IST and i'm at home :) |
| 18:39.33 | prpplague | mbuf: there are two different configurations you can use for the chip |
| 18:39.37 | prpplague | mbuf: very first page |
| 18:39.40 | mbuf | i don't want to screw up the flash programming, else the board is useless and i have to flash ARMDOWN, u-boot.bin etc. |
| 18:39.46 | prpplague | mbuf: it lists the two different configs |
| 18:40.18 | prpplague | mbuf: thats just part of learning to do the dev work |
| 18:40.18 | mbuf | prpplague, byte mode and word mode |
| 18:40.24 | prpplague | mbuf: uh no |
| 18:40.28 | mbuf | prpplague, i see |
| 18:40.54 | prpplague | mbuf: first two bullets under "flexible sector architecture" |
| 18:41.36 | mbuf | prpplague, right |
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| 18:55.34 | chouimat | prpplague: here a nice joke for you |
| 18:55.37 | chouimat | Two men were out fishing, when they found a lamp floating in the water. One of the men picked it up and rubbed it, causing a genie to explode from the lamp. Unfortunately, it was a very low-level genie and could only grant one wish. The men thought for a few minutes and then wished for the entire lake to be made of the best beer in the world. |
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| 18:56.25 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 19:37.25 | prpplague | mallum: she pop yet? |
| 19:37.33 | mallum | nope :( |
| 19:37.37 | mallum | 12 days late... |
| 19:38.16 | prpplague | yikes |
| 19:38.23 | CosmicPenguin | doh |
| 19:38.50 | prpplague | i bet she's like "get this alien out of meeeeee noowwwww!!" |
| 19:41.26 | mallum | yep, pretty much :/ |
| 19:41.50 | CosmicPenguin | I hate it when my child processes fail to spawn in a timely manner |
| 19:53.12 | jbevren | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/06/189244&from=rss |
| 19:53.13 | jbevren | :( |
| 19:53.18 | jbevren | MIPS/IRIX EOL |
| 19:53.46 | chouimat | :( |
| 19:54.30 | philv | Heh, who didn't see that one coming |
| 19:55.43 | CosmicPenguin | Welcome to the club of dead processors |
| 19:56.50 | philv | Naw, MIPS ain't dead :P |
| 19:56.57 | CosmicPenguin | neither is x86 |
| 19:57.01 | CosmicPenguin | but Geode sure is |
| 19:59.35 | philv | hrhrhr |
| 20:00.27 | jbevren | haha |
| 20:01.04 | philv | Geode sucked |
| 20:01.49 | CosmicPenguin | you suck |
| 20:02.28 | CosmicPenguin | Only I can proclaim the suckiness of G eode |
| 20:03.27 | philv | I was subjected to writing firmware for routers that were based around that infernal PCEngines WRAP board |
| 20:03.51 | CosmicPenguin | wrap != geode |
| 20:04.17 | philv | Yes it is. |
| 20:04.29 | CosmicPenguin | only to marketers |
| 20:04.46 | CosmicPenguin | the architecture of the later processors bears little resemblence |
| 20:04.48 | philv | It's a NatSemi Geode 233 or 266 depending on the model |
| 20:04.51 | philv | Oh true enough |
| 20:05.04 | CosmicPenguin | You, like many others assume that all Geodes are crappy because some processor from 2000 wasn't up to snuff |
| 20:05.18 | philv | This was last year |
| 20:05.26 | CosmicPenguin | The processor wasn't designed last year |
| 20:05.37 | CosmicPenguin | Thats like saying that the Operton sucks because the K6 did |
| 20:05.47 | philv | 233 MHz AMD Geode SC1100 CPU (fast 486 core) |
| 20:05.55 | philv | Gross |
| 20:06.03 | CosmicPenguin | oh yeah |
| 20:06.12 | CosmicPenguin | and the SC1200 was even grosser with software emulated VGA |
| 20:06.17 | chouimat | eww |
| 20:06.20 | philv | Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah |
| 20:06.43 | philv | At any rate, I never will touch an embedded x86 system ever again |
| 20:06.43 | CosmicPenguin | But the only thing those processors share with the GX and LX is a few legacy devices hanging off the south bridge |
| 20:07.29 | philv | THey wanted me to do WPA on them without any hardware assist. |
| 20:07.49 | philv | I did it... and I demoed a beautiful attack against them where you could cause the CPU to overheat by pingflooding it |
| 20:09.11 | philv | Actually, that was fun, because the business owner stopped taking his schizo medicine or something and then drove the company into the ground |
| 20:09.17 | philv | THen got sued by his venture capitalists. |
| 20:10.00 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, it was easy to freak that processor out |
| 20:10.38 | philv | Yup |
| 20:11.06 | philv | I did a similar system based around an IDT MIPS SoC that worked... surprise surprise... flawlessly |
| 20:11.33 | CosmicPenguin | well.... |
| 20:11.46 | CosmicPenguin | your attitude resulted in 80 people losing their jobs |
| 20:12.01 | CosmicPenguin | unfortunate - buit I guess these things happen |
| 20:14.06 | philv | I don't feel any pangs of guilt, unfortunately. |
| 20:14.32 | philv | Just like I don't feel guilty about Intel laying of 10000 people, mostly Netwurst-related |
| 20:14.41 | philv | (or so the rumour has gone) |
| 21:19.27 | jbevren | hmm |
| 21:19.29 | jbevren | pixter color |
| 21:41.24 | jbevren | prp: is the mcu in the pixter color clocked at 70mhz? |
| 21:41.29 | jbevren | oh he's awol |
| 21:41.30 | jbevren | bastige |
| 21:42.43 | jbevren | rere boz |
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