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12:42.56chouimatmorning
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13:31.20prpplagueho ho ho
13:31.24prpplaguemerry freakin monday
13:31.34chouimathey prpplague
13:31.40prpplaguechouimat: hey
13:34.01chouimatprpplague: you know it's time to clean the office ... when the cat is building a nest with all the paper on the table
13:45.00prpplaguehehe
13:46.11chouimatprpplague: and he's getting good at it :)
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14:12.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: greetings
14:12.20prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you see someone posted that they got linux running on the PIC?
14:12.51CosmicPenguinyeah
14:13.17CosmicPenguinI couldn't find the remaining PIC guy to ask him - but I think General released the BIOS
14:13.27CosmicPenguinSo then its not a very impressive hack at all - in fact, its a negative hack
14:14.06philvI want a PIC, just for how amusing it is
14:14.18prpplagueCosmicPenguin: oh
14:14.39prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i didn't read all of the page, did he just replace the bios?
14:14.55CosmicPenguinthe impression I got was this was a PIC that we had sent them
14:15.23CosmicPenguinIts unlikely somebody in the far east got one some other way
14:15.52prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, as this person is on the OLPC team
14:16.05prpplagueCosmicPenguin: or atleast thats the impression i got
14:16.18CosmicPenguinNo - I don't think thats right
14:16.31prpplagueoh?
14:16.43CosmicPenguinI recognize most people on the OLPC team - its unlikely that anybody that worked for OLPC would have fired up a PIC without me hearing about it
14:16.44CosmicPenguinmaybye
14:17.25prpplagueahh i misread - " The Wiki shows the PIC runing an Edubuntu image created for the OLPC project."
15:13.33CosmicPenguinhttp://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/11/technology/11deal.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
15:14.55prpplagueyea, read about that this morning
15:15.15CosmicPenguininteresting
15:15.33prpplaguewhat concerns me about deals like that is that these people have no clue about running tech companies
15:16.14CosmicPenguinactually, private equity groups can be very good
15:16.14prpplaguewhich leads me to believe that they will have some problems getting management to understand the market they are in
15:16.28CosmicPenguinassuming the company remains profitable, they generally leave it alone
15:17.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea? i've always heard peg's and vc's start with a hands off approach, but slowlly work their way into day to day control
15:17.26CosmicPenguinThats different though
15:17.34CosmicPenguinStartups and established companies follow different paths
15:17.45prpplagueahh
15:17.58CosmicPenguinThe problem is - if the company doesn't remain profitable, the peg often will screw it up more
15:18.34prpplague:(
15:18.51CosmicPenguinDon't be worried about freescale - they're doing fine
15:32.00jbevrenbored
15:32.02jbevrenzz
15:33.36philvFreescale will always do well
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15:44.00prpplaguejbevren: hmmm, what you say if a linux box all of sudden started telling the users on the system that their password was expired and you needed to change the password?
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15:53.20jbevrenprpplague: sysadmin set password expiration dates?
15:53.43jbevrensystem was compromised and nobody will admit it
15:53.44prpplaguejbevren: nope, chage shows all the users to have never expiring passwords
15:54.27prpplaguejbevren: thats my guess as well, i suspect that probably the login has been compromised with a password collection app
16:00.56prpplaguejbevren: yea, looks like there was a brute force for a user login
16:01.15jbevrenprpplague: doh :(
16:05.19jbevrenhrm
16:07.18prpplaguejbevren: it appears the sysadmin left /etc/profile 666
16:08.06prpplaguejbevren: from the non priv account it appears the person added a small shell script to simulate a password expired warning
16:08.44prpplaguejbevren: the shell script then gets them to enter a password, its save the password to a file with the account name , and then runs a second shell script that actually changes the password
16:09.16jbevrenthe hell
16:09.20jbevrenthat's um
16:09.26jbevrenblatantly incompetent
16:09.55prpplagueyea, well these people really don't care about security
16:10.24prpplaguejbevren: they get hacked alot, so when it happens they just tell the customer that the machine's had a harddrive failure and reload the box
16:10.40jbevrenisnt that illegal?
16:10.44jbevrenwhat if the system contains financial info
16:11.52prpplaguejbevren: just as clarification, this isn't my current employeer
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16:12.05prpplaguejbevren: just helping an old friend
16:13.48jbevrenahhh
16:13.52jbevrenshrug :)
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16:16.03prpplague~emulate abcs
16:16.04purli have great idea, lets sell buggy software and charge to fix it!!
16:16.40prpplague~emulate abcs
16:16.42purli have great idea, lets sell buggy software and charge to fix it!!
16:16.50prpplague~emulate abcs
16:16.52purlselling used products as new isn't unethical!
16:17.01prpplague~emulate abcs
16:17.02purlif we can't sell it for 500% markup we aren't interested!
16:17.24jbevrenhrm
16:17.46jbevrenprpplague: have you heard of or worked with the sigmatel stmp3502?
16:18.00prpplaguedoesn't ring a bell
16:18.15jbevrenI have an mp3 player that uses it and a samsung flash
16:18.27jbevrenI'm wondering where it loads its firmware from heh
16:18.29jbevren(probably the flash)
16:19.43jbevrenif I can work out how it loads its firmware, I can stick a larger flash device on it :)
16:21.30prpplaguejbevren: appears to have two seperate onboard flash locations
16:21.47jbevrenhrm so its independent of the storage flash?
16:23.42jbevrenk9k1g08uom (128Mx8) flash
16:23.55prpplaguejbevren: that nand flash?
16:24.04jbevrenI believe so
16:24.08jbevrennot near enough pins to be nor :)
16:26.23prpplaguetransmitter? cool
16:26.37jbevrennod
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16:48.17jbevrenhttp://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ180026854428
16:48.19jbevrenmmmm
16:48.21jbevrenstoooooorage
16:48.35agaffneymmm
16:48.42agaffneythat could hold a *lot* of pr0n :P
17:00.08chouimatjbevren: yup it's tapes :(
17:00.28jbevrenchouimat: I could use something about 1/5 that size (storagewise)
17:01.04chouimatjbevren: we could all use more diskspace ...
17:02.29jbevrenchouimat: I have just shy of 3T of storabe
17:02.33jbevrens/sb/ag/
17:02.40jbevrengrumble
17:02.42jbevrenI cant type.. anyway
17:02.47jbevrenI want an offline backup :)
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