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| 13:09.37 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:09.41 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
| 13:10.30 | prpplague | jbevren: ordered some bluetooth modules from sfe for the pixter |
| 13:11.08 | jbevren | wee |
| 13:11.22 | jbevren | I'm pondering a SMiRF for my c64 hehe |
| 13:18.12 | jbevren | oh, I finally located my sdram ICs heh |
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| 14:24.07 | CosmicPenguin | hah! |
| 14:24.27 | CosmicPenguin | I got a spam that complained at me that my e-mail client didn't understand HTML |
| 14:24.27 | philv | It's monday! |
| 14:24.31 | philv | It's monday! |
| 14:24.41 | philv | What a happy fun day! |
| 14:24.46 | philv | CosmicPenguin: oh, nice |
| 14:29.21 | agaffney | heh |
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| 15:58.20 | jbevren | prp: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SDV-841&cat=PDA |
| 15:58.24 | jbevren | oh he's gone :( |
| 15:58.24 | jbevren | hehe |
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| 16:03.34 | ynezz | hm, nice |
| 16:08.43 | jbevren | nod |
| 16:08.51 | jbevren | it'd be nicer if it were usable on linux ;) |
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| 17:02.18 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 17:02.23 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
| 17:02.31 | jbevren | prpplague: privmsg --> |
| 17:02.32 | jbevren | :) |
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| 17:02.43 | prpplague | jbevren: yea saw that |
| 17:02.46 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:02.50 | jbevren | that'd be cool (if it would work) |
| 17:03.00 | prpplague | sorry wasn't registered when i messaged you back |
| 17:03.05 | jbevren | ah |
| 17:03.06 | jbevren | yep |
| 17:03.07 | prpplague | yea that would be cool |
| 17:03.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmmm, looks like i might have to do a *cough* wince port for our new line of color handhelds :( |
| 17:04.08 | jbevren | :( |
| 17:04.13 | jbevren | haha </pun> |
| 17:04.24 | prpplague | foxnews.com redid their website, looks more like cnn.com now |
| 17:05.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nice - you should hire bsquare |
| 17:05.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, you think it would be hard enough for me not to be able to run with it myself? |
| 17:06.14 | CosmicPenguin | well - its a whole different ball of wax, and there are licensing issues to worry about |
| 17:07.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm |
| 17:07.24 | CosmicPenguin | I'm just saying is all |
| 17:08.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i thought as long as you use their sdk and then pay the normal per item license fee you were good to go |
| 17:09.03 | CosmicPenguin | But can they restrict you from working on open source as a result? How much of the source code will you end up seeing? |
| 17:09.33 | prpplague | ahhhhh |
| 17:09.41 | prpplague | wasn't aware they were doing that |
| 17:09.54 | CosmicPenguin | Well - it depends on what is visible to you |
| 17:10.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we were looking at a pre-packaged sdk |
| 17:10.08 | CosmicPenguin | I have to be careful at AMD because a goodly chunk of the code is in the building somwhere |
| 17:10.11 | CosmicPenguin | but I don't know about you |
| 17:10.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: for the s3c2410 |
| 17:10.18 | CosmicPenguin | I would punt on it if I was you - but to each his own |
| 17:10.52 | prpplague | hmmmm |
| 17:11.03 | prpplague | not good news then |
| 17:11.13 | prpplague | you know anyone thats been in this situation then? |
| 17:11.16 | CosmicPenguin | I'm just saying to be careful |
| 17:11.26 | prpplague | yea i'll be more careful |
| 17:11.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its not a done deal |
| 17:11.32 | CosmicPenguin | I would expect that it is hard to be a one man Linux + WinCE house |
| 17:11.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but its on the horizon |
| 17:11.43 | CosmicPenguin | Can you hire somebody else? |
| 17:12.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably if we needed to |
| 17:12.23 | CosmicPenguin | I'm no lawyer, but that might be an acceptable option |
| 17:12.31 | CosmicPenguin | But like I said, I'm cautious beyond all belief |
| 17:12.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i just figured it would be a good opportunity for use to learn some stuff |
| 17:12.53 | CosmicPenguin | My manager tried to sign me up for a MSDN subscription, and I damn near had to threaten to quit to get him to recend it |
| 17:13.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, that have alot of fine print? |
| 17:13.38 | CosmicPenguin | Not that MSDN has any sensitive code -but if Microsoft happened to audit - I don't know what would happen |
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| 17:14.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea i can see that, they could basically prevent you from contrib'n to any OSS |
| 17:14.40 | CosmicPenguin | its possible |
| 17:14.48 | CosmicPenguin | not probable, mind you |
| 17:15.03 | prpplague | yea, i'll keep it in mind |
| 17:15.16 | CosmicPenguin | bbut I prefer to remain blissfully unaware |
| 17:15.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you know anyone that has been in the same situation? i.e. linux + wince ? |
| 17:15.46 | CosmicPenguin | not really |
| 17:15.52 | mbuf | hi, i am trying to run JFLASH.exe (reprogram flash on target board through parallel port), and it says "couldn't open giveio.sys file" ; i have this file though, how to specify it to wine? (Reference: http://www.littlechips.com/jflash.htm) |
| 17:16.34 | prpplague | mbuf: why use a windows version under wine when you can use a native app under linux? |
| 17:17.07 | mbuf | prpplague, openocd does not yet have AMD/Spansion chip flash programming support |
| 17:17.14 | jbevren | oh |
| 17:17.20 | jbevren | remember the random firefox issues I have? |
| 17:17.24 | prpplague | mbuf: openocd isn't the only flash application |
| 17:17.27 | jbevren | the same exact binary only does it on opteron |
| 17:17.30 | jbevren | grumble |
| 17:17.38 | jbevren | so much for x86 compatibility :) |
| 17:17.48 | mbuf | prpplague, http://www.sparkfun.com/cgi-bin/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=4272 |
| 17:17.57 | mbuf | prpplague, i see, any recommendations ? |
| 17:18.13 | prpplague | mbuf: which chip are you using? |
| 17:18.59 | mbuf | prpplague, Am29LV160D |
| 17:19.31 | prpplague | mbuf: email address? |
| 17:19.37 | mbuf | prpplague, 2 MB, CMOS 3.0V Boot Sector Flash memory |
| 17:20.39 | mbuf | prpplague, the flash is the one in the littlechips.com board |
| 17:20.39 | jbevren | prpplague: that reminds me |
| 17:21.06 | jbevren | I found a short strip (5 pieces) of intel da28f320j5 |
| 17:24.46 | prpplague | mbuf: i sent you a copy of the native linux flash app |
| 17:25.09 | prpplague | mbuf: it doesn't support your chip directly but adding it should be pretty easy, i added several chips already |
| 17:25.14 | mbuf | prpplague, thanks |
| 17:25.19 | mbuf | prpplague, adding it ? |
| 17:26.09 | prpplague | mbuf: add the specs for your flash chip |
| 17:26.32 | mbuf | prpplague, ok |
| 17:26.41 | prpplague | seems like i had it working with the littlechips board a long time ago, but i don't see any code for it |
| 17:27.13 | mbuf | prpplague, i see, btw, i have been assigned a new project today, as i wanted, networking, PoE, Nortel project |
| 17:27.17 | prpplague | i keep forgetting to bring my little chips board to the office |
| 17:27.22 | mbuf | prpplague, hehe |
| 17:27.24 | prpplague | mbuf: lovely |
| 17:27.44 | mbuf | prpplague, i didn't know your full name until now, lol |
| 17:28.18 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/prpplague |
| 17:28.25 | prpplague | ~prpplague |
| 17:28.27 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, prpplague is mailto:danders@amltd.com or Dave Anders |
| 17:28.37 | sjhill | ~sjhill |
| 17:28.40 | purl | you are probably "mailto:sjhill@realitydiluted.com , any more info and some men in black suits will visit you!" |
| 17:28.42 | jbevren | prpplague's real name is Cool Guy or something like that :) |
| 17:28.52 | jbevren | ~jbevren |
| 17:28.54 | purl | i heard jbevren is some guy that wants to get into embedded systems but is too lazy to do much about it |
| 17:29.00 | jbevren | :D |
| 17:32.41 | mbuf | prpplague, what license is the source code released in ? |
| 17:39.03 | philv | ~philv |
| 17:39.04 | purl | it has been said that philv is jesus |
| 17:39.15 | philv | tru |
| 17:40.14 | prpplague | mbuf: i can't find any copyright or license associated with it |
| 17:40.31 | prpplague | mbuf: thats why i've not posted it |
| 17:40.49 | prpplague | mbuf: i had planned a re-write, but i've put my jtag coding time towards openocd |
| 17:41.37 | prpplague | philv: forget the wine, can you turn this water into a nice IPA ? |
| 17:42.21 | philv | prpplague: not only that, but I can turn cheap wine into Dom Perignon for 50 bucks |
| 17:42.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:42.29 | CosmicPenguin | or a nice doble bock |
| 17:42.37 | prpplague | hmmmm salvator |
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| 17:46.25 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:46.26 | mbuf | prpplague, i see, dominic (openocd) told me he doesn't have the time now for supporting CFI Command Set 2 |
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| 17:47.58 | prpplague | mbuf: yea |
| 17:48.12 | Zuko-Blast | how to be an operator |
| 17:48.17 | Zuko-Blast | ? |
| 17:48.21 | prpplague | Zuko-Blast: what? |
| 17:48.43 | Zuko-Blast | i only what to see whats going on in this channel |
| 17:49.21 | prpplague | Zuko-Blast: ok, stay in the channel and watch |
| 17:49.29 | Zuko-Blast | sorry, it s my first time with this |
| 17:49.53 | Zuko-Blast | ok, i stay |
| 17:51.22 | mbuf | prpplague, the Am29LV160D is CFI-based, for which code already exists - not sure what/where you mean add code for the chip? |
| 17:52.24 | prpplague | mbuf: you can trying using the #6 entry to do the job, but you have to be able to tell it the flash configuration |
| 17:52.30 | mbuf | prpplague, i see |
| 17:58.18 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 17:58.36 | T0mW | prpplague: poing |
| 17:58.49 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.saelig.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=U040&Category_Code=UB |
| 17:59.01 | jbevren | *cough* |
| 17:59.11 | jbevren | saelig's poicy for out of inventory items is.. doubius |
| 17:59.13 | jbevren | dubous? |
| 17:59.30 | jbevren | anyway, my order was delayed 2 weeks without notice because I ordered somethign that was out of stock |
| 17:59.38 | T0mW | prpplague: whoa! that is small! |
| 17:59.45 | jbevren | and when I asked them to split shipping, they tried to charge me additional shipping for the split :( |
| 17:59.58 | jbevren | in other words, make sure its in stock first by calling them :) |
| 18:00.06 | jbevren | otherwise theyre great :P |
| 18:00.28 | jbevren | that said |
| 18:00.30 | jbevren | tiny! |
| 18:00.35 | prpplague | T0mW: wonder what chip thats using |
| 18:00.44 | prpplague | T0mW: i suspect its and ftdi chip |
| 18:00.45 | T0mW | prpplague: yea |
| 18:00.57 | prpplague | T0mW: that would be perfect for your zipit mod |
| 18:01.22 | prpplague | T0mW: you could do away with the rs-232 level shifter |
| 18:01.47 | T0mW | prpplague: CP2101 from Silicon Labs |
| 18:02.16 | prpplague | T0mW: thats whats on the board from saelig? |
| 18:02.18 | jbevren | chip reads: SILA8S / CP2102 / CC(?) WS / 06004 |
| 18:02.19 | T0mW | prpplague: http://www.silabs.com/tgwWebApp/public/web_content/products/Microcontrollers/Interface/en/interface.htm |
| 18:03.01 | jbevren | T0mW: precisely :) |
| 18:03.03 | mbuf | prpplague, if possible, can you test the code with the littlechips board and let me know? 'coz if i screw up, i don't have any other way of restoring the boot-loader on the board :( |
| 18:03.21 | prpplague | T0mW: wow nice |
| 18:03.23 | T0mW | mbuf: I do |
| 18:03.32 | mbuf | T0mW, ohh great! thanks! |
| 18:03.50 | T0mW | mbuf: I'm still hacking away at that board with 2.6.17.8 |
| 18:03.58 | prpplague | mbuf: you need to get out of this situation, you can't be worried about bricking your board |
| 18:04.19 | prpplague | T0mW: oh thats a nice chip |
| 18:04.27 | mbuf | T0mW, i want to work with u-boot, so need to reprogram the flash |
| 18:04.27 | prpplague | T0mW: that'd do well on your board |
| 18:04.33 | prpplague | T0mW: no external components |
| 18:04.35 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, wonder what it costs in quantity? |
| 18:04.48 | T0mW | mbuf: I've been using apex |
| 18:04.49 | mbuf | prpplague, dude, atleast you get to take the board to work and use the office facilities, i don't have a Plan B |
| 18:05.07 | prpplague | mbuf: i have nothing more than you have |
| 18:05.10 | mbuf | T0mW, apex ? |
| 18:05.18 | jbevren | mbuf: You dont have jtag? heh |
| 18:05.22 | prpplague | mbuf: just a couple of wigglers and some ft2232 jtag dongles |
| 18:05.24 | T0mW | mbuf: I haven't bothered getting the Flash stuff working, I program via JTAG |
| 18:05.51 | mbuf | T0mW, i also need to program the flash with JTAG, how are you doing it ? |
| 18:05.56 | jbevren | mbuf: wigglers are simple. You can see mine behind the keyboard in http://jbevren.net/pixter/debugstation.jpg |
| 18:06.06 | jbevren | mine's breadboarded to this date |
| 18:06.07 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:06.15 | T0mW | mbuf: well, I have a rather high-end unit: Abatron BDI-2000 |
| 18:06.36 | T0mW | mbuf: It was an "investment" |
| 18:06.40 | mbuf | jbevren, i have this: http://www.littlechips.com/jtag_cable.htm - but not able to use it with openocd (CFI command set 2 not supported) |
| 18:06.45 | prpplague | T0mW: looks like $3.85 on small qty |
| 18:06.50 | jbevren | mbuf: doh :( |
| 18:06.56 | T0mW | prpplague: that's exensive! |
| 18:07.03 | T0mW | prpplague: that's expensive! |
| 18:07.10 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, but its worth it |
| 18:07.10 | T0mW | I bit $1.85 |
| 18:07.13 | jbevren | mbuf: here's a suggestion. Build the bootloader twice. Once for boot-from-rom, the other for boot-from-ram |
| 18:07.15 | T0mW | I bid $1.85 |
| 18:07.21 | jbevren | mbuf: boot the ram version, use it to flash the rom version ;) |
| 18:07.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:07.43 | mbuf | jbevren, Wolfgang doesn't recommend using u-boot from RAM |
| 18:07.51 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:07.58 | jbevren | it'll work long enough to flash itself though I bet |
| 18:08.21 | jbevren | u-boot is a pita sometimes |
| 18:08.26 | jbevren | I have it on one of my ppc boards heh |
| 18:08.28 | T0mW | LOL |
| 18:08.29 | mbuf | prpplague, hehe |
| 18:08.38 | jbevren | prpplague: apex for the DHT board? :D |
| 18:08.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:08.57 | prpplague | jbevren: apex is designed to be arch non-specific |
| 18:09.04 | jbevren | nod |
| 18:09.07 | prpplague | jbevren: so yea you could do it on ppc if wanted to |
| 18:09.07 | T0mW | well, I've some zipits to ship, cul |
| 18:09.11 | prpplague | T0mW: later |
| 18:09.12 | jbevren | I'll have to look into its porting guide |
| 18:09.42 | prpplague | jbevren: that chip would be nice for the pixter-mm |
| 18:09.58 | jbevren | prpplague: the uart/usb chip? yeah |
| 18:10.03 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 18:10.39 | prpplague | jbevren: what model? |
| 18:11.06 | mbuf | T0mW, so, what do you recommend for me to program the FLASH on the littlechips board? try out prpplague's native flash utility ? |
| 18:11.10 | jbevren | prpplague: Um |
| 18:11.16 | jbevren | theyre NOR I think, |
| 18:11.32 | jbevren | intel DA28F320J5 |
| 18:11.39 | jbevren | 1Mx16 I think |
| 18:11.47 | prpplague | yea, iirc thats 3.3v or 5v selectable |
| 18:17.01 | prpplague | dang thats nice |
| 18:17.08 | jbevren | hm? |
| 18:17.16 | prpplague | i might recomend that for some of our designs |
| 18:17.17 | prpplague | the cp2102 |
| 18:17.21 | jbevren | oh |
| 18:17.22 | jbevren | yeah |
| 18:17.26 | jbevren | the size and speeds are awesome |
| 18:17.36 | jbevren | I looked at its DS a while ago |
| 18:17.46 | prpplague | yea, we could use that instead of standard rs-232 on our boards |
| 18:17.51 | jbevren | concur heh |
| 18:18.02 | jbevren | I have a couple FTDI rs232 bridge cables |
| 18:18.03 | jbevren | I likes 'em |
| 18:18.15 | prpplague | yea lots of components needed for those |
| 18:18.23 | prpplague | this one require no external parts |
| 18:19.08 | jbevren | nod. Just some decoupling and go |
| 18:19.17 | jbevren | level shifters if needed heh |
| 18:19.27 | prpplague | jbevren: no mention of any decoupling |
| 18:19.36 | jbevren | there are two on the underside of the board on saelig's site |
| 18:19.41 | prpplague | jbevren: says you should be able to connect directly to ttl level |
| 18:19.47 | jbevren | power decoupling |
| 18:19.51 | jbevren | not signal decoupling :) |
| 18:20.10 | jbevren | sorry to confuse hehe |
| 18:20.23 | jbevren | oh god, I just spoke portugenglish |
| 18:20.28 | jbevren | ~lart jbevren |
| 18:20.50 | prpplague | ahh yea, those are off the 5v from the usb port |
| 18:20.58 | jbevren | yep |
| 18:21.00 | jbevren | normal decoupling |
| 18:21.21 | jbevren | I should see if theyre in stock and get some for projects around the shop |
| 18:21.45 | jbevren | I tried using a max3233 on my gp2x, but the 3v-side of the cable was too long for 115kbps heh |
| 18:22.03 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:22.05 | jbevren | this thing's small enough to go inside ;-) |
| 18:22.20 | prpplague | well this would do nicely in the pixter-mm |
| 18:22.49 | prpplague | i still want to do a dev board for the pixter-mm |
| 18:40.01 | prpplague | jbevren: you interested in a littlechips board? |
| 18:40.21 | jbevren | prpplague: Kinda |
| 18:40.27 | jbevren | the price is somewhat prohibitive for me :) |
| 18:40.38 | jbevren | I'm putting $400 into my yearly car maintenance |
| 18:40.51 | jbevren | had to get new tires this year :X |
| 18:41.00 | prpplague | i've got a spare one i'd like to get rid of |
| 18:41.10 | jbevren | how long would it take to get it out of barbados ;) |
| 18:41.24 | jbevren | might be better to wait till youre stateside |
| 18:41.32 | jbevren | what are you asking for it? |
| 18:41.37 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm going stateside on oct2 i'd ship it then |
| 18:42.30 | prpplague | jbevren: its the lp64 model which sales for $579, i was thinking half that |
| 18:42.53 | jbevren | oh definately |
| 18:42.55 | jbevren | that's a steal |
| 18:43.08 | jbevren | what model is it so I can drool at the specs :) |
| 18:43.27 | prpplague | http://www.littlechips.com/LN2410SBC_TFT.htm |
| 18:43.44 | jbevren | ah, the one with lcd |
| 18:43.48 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:45.04 | prpplague | jbevren: so like $300 even with shipping included |
| 18:45.50 | jbevren | thats still a good deal |
| 18:45.54 | jbevren | remind me when you get stateside |
| 18:47.01 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm mainly selling it because its extra plus i want to have some extra spending money when i get stateside, so like a week before hand do a paypal transaction? |
| 18:47.31 | jbevren | prpplague: I dont deal with paypal :( |
| 18:47.34 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:47.42 | prpplague | thats a problem |
| 18:47.50 | prpplague | jbevren: how do you normally pay for ebay stuff? |
| 18:47.50 | jbevren | I'll send you a postal MO to your new TX addy if you can survive 3 days ;) |
| 18:48.20 | prpplague | jbevren: just going in for a week to 10 days to start making preps |
| 18:48.33 | jbevren | ah, a visit? |
| 18:48.38 | prpplague | jbevren: let me see what i can work out |
| 18:48.41 | jbevren | nod |
| 18:48.59 | jbevren | I'd work with paypal, but they illegally store personal information |
| 18:49.08 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:49.25 | prpplague | just one of those deals you have to accept to have the convience |
| 18:52.50 | jbevren | I cant get the convenience |
| 18:52.55 | jbevren | I made a typo while adding my card |
| 18:52.56 | jbevren | once. |
| 18:53.03 | jbevren | i can never. ever. use it again with paypal |
| 18:53.05 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i remember now |
| 18:53.08 | jbevren | even if I cancel the acct :) |
| 18:53.17 | jbevren | which means they store my card number forever |
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