| 00:06.20 | chouimat | hi |
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| 04:18.21 | jbevren | so |
| 04:18.31 | jbevren | any idea why console=/dev/ttyS0,9600 does NOT put the console on /dev/ttyS0? |
| 04:18.34 | jbevren | oh wait |
| 04:18.38 | jbevren | you dont specify /dev/ do you |
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| 11:49.56 | chouimat | morning |
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| 12:14.02 | agaffney | jbevren: console=ttyS0,9600 :P |
| 12:14.14 | agaffney | although, it seems like you already figured that out :) |
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| 12:54.27 | jbevren | agaffney: hush, you :) |
| 12:55.16 | jbevren | hm |
| 12:55.25 | jbevren | the DHT board only needs 2 hours to build a kernel |
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| 13:05.16 | agaffney | jbevren: mine did it in ~30 minutes with distcc :P |
| 13:10.56 | chouimat | hi jbevren agaffney GPSFan |
| 13:11.47 | GPSFan | morning.. |
| 13:11.53 | prpplague | interesting, motorola is purchasing symbol |
| 13:14.18 | prpplague | wonder how much will be changing at symbol |
| 13:14.42 | chouimat | hey prpplague |
| 13:15.38 | jbevren | agaf :) |
| 13:16.19 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 13:17.00 | prpplague | doen't bode well for us, with mot and symbol patent war chest, they can really tie up the market, if they so choose |
| 13:17.46 | prpplague | i'm guessing that mot purchased symbol strickly for the patents |
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| 13:28.30 | prpplague | hehe great post - http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=linuxpda&Post=465&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= |
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| 13:36.08 | jbevren | http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltrahowPost&Board=linuxpda&Post=465&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= <- blank page |
| 13:36.49 | jbevren | got it |
| 13:36.49 | jbevren | heh |
| 13:37.50 | prpplague | lovely |
| 13:45.20 | chouimat | prpplague: me too ... |
| 13:46.16 | philv | The weather today isn't helping |
| 13:46.41 | agaffney | it's nice here |
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| 13:46.50 | agaffney | !weather |
| 13:46.51 | gibot | agaffney: St. Charles, Missouri at 7:54 AM CDT on September 19, 2006: [Temp: 51 F / 11 C Mostly Cloudy] [Hum: 83%] [Wind: WNW 9 mph / 15 kph] |
| 13:46.58 | agaffney | my ideal weather :P |
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| 13:47.24 | philv | !weather |
| 13:47.26 | chouimat | philv: I'm supposed to work outside today :) |
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| 13:47.42 | agaffney | try again :P |
| 13:47.43 | philv | chouimat: looks like that won't be happening :( |
| 13:47.55 | philv | !weather |
| 13:47.55 | gibot | philv: no results (or too many...blame the Weather::Underground module for not distinguishing between 0 and >1) |
| 13:48.00 | agaffney | you'll have to specify a zip code, city, or airport code |
| 13:48.05 | agaffney | after that, he'll remember what you entered |
| 13:48.08 | agaffney | and you can just use !weather |
| 13:48.08 | chouimat | !weather CYOW |
| 13:48.09 | gibot | chouimat: Ottawa, Ontario at 9:00 AM EDT on September 19, 2006: [Temp: 55 F / 13 C Light Rain] [Hum: 100%] [Wind: WNW 8 mph / 13 kph] |
| 13:48.12 | philv | !weather CYOW |
| 13:48.12 | gibot | philv: Ottawa, Ontario at 9:00 AM EDT on September 19, 2006: [Temp: 55 F / 13 C Light Rain] [Hum: 100%] [Wind: WNW 8 mph / 13 kph] |
| 13:48.23 | agaffney | ewww....100% humidity |
| 13:48.25 | jbevren | !weather DSM |
| 13:48.26 | gibot | jbevren: Des Moines, Iowa at 8:06 AM CDT on September 19, 2006: [Temp: 48 F / 9 C Scattered Clouds] [Hum: 71%] [Wind: NW 20 mph / 32 kph] |
| 13:48.48 | gibot | agaffney: that's not very nice |
| 13:48.58 | philv | !weather Enumlaw |
| 13:48.59 | gibot | philv: no results (or too many...blame the Weather::Underground module for not distinguishing between 0 and >1) |
| 13:49.05 | philv | Hm |
| 13:49.19 | philv | !weather Enumclaw |
| 13:49.19 | gibot | philv: Deep Lake, Enumclaw, Washington at 6:49 AM PDT on September 19, 2006: [Temp: 49.6 F / 9.8 C Fog] [Hum: 96%] [Wind: Calm] |
| 13:49.23 | jbevren | philv: use the airport code for your nearest international airport? heh |
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| 13:49.40 | philv | jbevren: Oh I did, I'm CYOW |
| 13:49.45 | jbevren | ah |
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| 13:49.47 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 13:49.53 | prpplague | !weather GGG |
| 13:49.59 | agaffney | gibot would have greatly increased the "noise" level in here :P |
| 13:50.08 | jbevren | agaffney: really? :D |
| 13:50.10 | prpplague | do |
| 13:50.12 | prpplague | doh |
| 13:50.13 | jbevren | agaffney: have it reply vi privmsg |
| 13:50.31 | agaffney | jbevren: eh, that would require modifying the behavior in ~15 other channels :P |
| 13:50.35 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:50.38 | agaffney | which people would be unhappy with |
| 13:50.41 | prpplague | purl does good enough |
| 13:50.43 | agaffney | he's a popular bot |
| 13:50.56 | agaffney | I wrote him from scratch in perl |
| 13:50.58 | agaffney | he's nice and modular |
| 13:51.02 | chouimat | ewwww perl |
| 13:51.05 | agaffney | with a sqlite backend |
| 13:51.08 | philv | I wrote a bot in ada |
| 13:51.11 | agaffney | chouimat: shush :P |
| 13:51.15 | philv | With a flatfile backend |
| 13:51.25 | chouimat | agaffney: I hate perl :) |
| 13:51.35 | agaffney | chouimat: that's apparent :) |
| 13:51.49 | agaffney | perl makes my job a lot easier |
| 13:51.54 | philv | Adabot > Perlbot |
| 13:52.22 | agaffney | perl makes it "easy" for me to parse data from a file filled with VT100 escape codes :P |
| 13:52.46 | philv | I use perl to automate some tests. |
| 13:53.44 | chouimat | agaffney: I just prefers to be able to read my code in 6 months ;) |
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| 14:03.59 | agaffney | chouimat: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8VJaQn14.html <-- you mean that isn't readable? :P |
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| 14:06.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey |
| 14:06.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows things in co today? |
| 14:06.24 | CosmicPenguin | beautiful |
| 14:06.26 | CosmicPenguin | I love fall |
| 14:06.46 | agaffney | autumn is my favorite season |
| 14:06.51 | agaffney | I love "jacket weather" |
| 14:07.00 | prpplague | agaffney: no such thing here |
| 14:07.08 | prpplague | or atleast for me |
| 14:07.16 | CosmicPenguin | that would kill me |
| 14:07.30 | prpplague | 80 degress here is cold, and the bajans start wearing sweaters and jackets |
| 14:08.26 | chouimat | agaffney: probably one of the rare ;) |
| 14:10.40 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:10.45 | jbevren | it was 60 the other day |
| 14:10.49 | jbevren | I walked to the store in shorts and t-shirt |
| 14:12.13 | agaffney | chouimat: I do my best to make my programs readable |
| 14:12.33 | agaffney | don't blame the language :P |
| 14:12.52 | agaffney | today is the first day I've worn jeans isntead of shorts |
| 14:12.58 | agaffney | and that's because it's 50F out now |
| 14:13.05 | agaffney | it'll be 66F this afternoon |
| 14:19.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey you ever used dillo on qvga? |
| 14:21.18 | CosmicPenguin | I've used it at qvga resolutions, but never on real hardware |
| 14:21.58 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:22.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just wondering how well it performs on a qvga in landscape mode |
| 14:22.20 | CosmicPenguin | probably not too bad |
| 14:22.37 | CosmicPenguin | this OLPC panel is fun |
| 14:23.08 | prpplague | olpc panel? |
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| 14:34.25 | prpplague | davidc__: hey dave, back from the yukon? |
| 14:37.12 | CosmicPenguin | oh, great stuff on the busybox mailing list |
| 14:37.29 | CosmicPenguin | we may be witnessing the death of one of the finest open source projects ... ever |
| 14:38.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh yea? i've not been watching, more of the perens vs. landley? |
| 14:38.09 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 14:38.15 | CosmicPenguin | parens is forking busybox |
| 14:38.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got a url handy? |
| 14:38.33 | CosmicPenguin | no - I'm a subscriber |
| 14:38.39 | CosmicPenguin | busybox.net will get you there |
| 14:38.50 | prpplague | yea, just didn't know if you had one handy |
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| 14:44.12 | prpplague | http://busybox.net/lists/busybox/2006-September/024527.html |
| 14:47.02 | prpplague | hmm, landley uses some words i'm not familiar with, Schlamiel and Schlamazel |
| 14:47.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: those some sort of slang? |
| 14:47.22 | CosmicPenguin | Its Yiddish I believe |
| 14:47.43 | CosmicPenguin | Schlamezel is generally "foolish" or "idiot" |
| 14:49.33 | chouimat | prpplague: wow :) |
| 14:49.35 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:49.39 | prpplague | chouimat: what? |
| 14:49.46 | chouimat | the witch-hunt thingy |
| 14:50.03 | prpplague | chouimat: yea |
| 14:51.45 | CosmicPenguin | The GPLv3 will cause similar fights all over the world |
| 14:51.51 | chouimat | prpplague: the "WHY" part is good |
| 14:52.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 14:54.46 | philv | The Free Software Political Spectrum is interesting |
| 14:54.53 | philv | Someone should write a psychology PhD thesis on it |
| 14:54.58 | philv | I'm sure they could do quite well |
| 14:55.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:59.13 | prpplague | philv: looks like they have one - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=2287939&itool=iconnoabstr&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum |
| 14:59.40 | chouimat | philv: or commit suicide ... |
| 15:02.37 | philv | prpplague: ahahahahahahahaha |
| 15:23.39 | jbevren | wtf |
| 15:23.42 | jbevren | ttyS0 works just fine |
| 15:23.44 | jbevren | so I run pppd |
| 15:23.47 | jbevren | ttyS0 no longer works |
| 15:23.52 | jbevren | any attempt to open it freezees |
| 15:24.08 | jbevren | and people wonder why I dont try anything |
| 15:24.38 | jbevren | 352 open("/dev/ttyS0", O_RDWR <- frozen |
| 15:25.25 | agaffney | this the same ttyS0 you were using with console= earlier? |
| 15:25.30 | jbevren | yep |
| 15:25.35 | jbevren | I even removed the getty from the line |
| 15:25.48 | jbevren | you cant run pppd on the console? |
| 15:26.01 | agaffney | it seems like a silly thing to do |
| 15:26.11 | jbevren | it seems nonsilly when its the only serial port |
| 15:26.19 | jbevren | shrug |
| 15:26.26 | agaffney | do you *need* serial console? |
| 15:26.35 | jbevren | it was sure nice when it wasnt booting ;-) |
| 15:26.40 | agaffney | heh |
| 15:26.47 | jbevren | so you think its cause its the console eh? |
| 15:26.57 | agaffney | seems a likely cause :) |
| 15:27.12 | jbevren | sounds like a dumb thing to do in the kernel |
| 15:27.14 | agaffney | getty must do something "special" |
| 15:27.22 | jbevren | if {tty=console} ppp=freeze |
| 15:27.29 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:27.49 | agaffney | ugh, I don't feel like working today |
| 15:27.52 | jbevren | me either |
| 15:27.59 | agaffney | I'm doing a server migration |
| 15:28.05 | agaffney | I did one the other night |
| 15:28.11 | agaffney | just moved the entire install to new hardware |
| 15:28.16 | agaffney | new kernel, reinstall grub, etc. |
| 15:28.28 | agaffney | now, I'm doing an entirely new install and setting it back up |
| 15:29.52 | jbevren | I just want ethernet on my commodore heh |
| 15:30.01 | agaffney | this is postfix, courier-imap, amavisd, spamassassin, clamav, apache, mysql, php, telnet->DECnet, samba, nfs, and a bunch of other things I'm forgetting |
| 15:30.14 | jbevren | no more ppp over inefficient unbuffered UARTs |
| 15:30.22 | agaffney | heh |
| 15:33.00 | jbevren | well |
| 15:33.03 | jbevren | pppd stops in the same place |
| 15:33.09 | jbevren | but it doesnt kill the tty (cat will work) |
| 15:33.21 | jbevren | I -hate- ppp |
| 15:34.38 | agaffney | heh |
| 15:36.33 | prpplague | jbevren: would you say the touchscreen on the pixter(mm) is pretty solid? |
| 15:36.47 | jbevren | prpplague: yeah |
| 15:36.52 | jbevren | its made for kids after all ;) |
| 15:36.58 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:37.08 | jbevren | they might have been smarter to mount it on acrylic though ;) |
| 15:37.30 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm wondering how you would compare that some of the handhelds like the zaurus and ipaq's |
| 15:37.41 | prpplague | jbevren: acrylic might bend too much |
| 15:37.55 | jbevren | prpplague: dunno |
| 15:38.03 | jbevren | it feels as solid as my palm3 |
| 15:39.02 | [g2-lap] | are cigarette lighters in cars 12V In Europe and Asia ? |
| 15:40.22 | agaffney | I'd assume they're whatever the batteries are, and it seems silly for European cars to use a different type of battery than American cars |
| 15:40.22 | philv | jbevren: PPC405 is broken by nature :( |
| 15:41.24 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm mainly wondering about scratchs and cuts in the touchscreen |
| 15:42.03 | jbevren | prpplague: ah |
| 15:42.07 | jbevren | the overlay? Dunno |
| 15:42.14 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:42.20 | jbevren | philv: well there goes that project down the drain |
| 15:42.44 | jbevren | every time I attempt something, there's always one tiny but critical thing missing or broken and unfixable |
| 15:42.57 | jbevren | grumble :P |
| 15:43.35 | prpplague | [g2]: yea, they are standard, but iirc, some english cars are positive ground so the polarity of the sockets in those are cars are reversed |
| 15:43.36 | philv | I've been beating against that CPU for months now |
| 15:43.43 | philv | I wish Xilinx picked something less broken |
| 15:43.51 | jbevren | philv: So, why would getty, cat, etc be fine with it heh |
| 15:43.59 | jbevren | yet pppd fails miserably at going anywhere |
| 15:44.20 | philv | Oh, no clue... I'm just venting about my own frustrations\ |
| 15:44.28 | jbevren | shrug, thought I'd ask :) |
| 15:44.36 | philv | I usually just implement my own UART that stinks like a 16550 |
| 15:44.49 | jbevren | I have no such luxury |
| 15:44.58 | jbevren | I supposed I could use a usb serial cable |
| 15:45.22 | jbevren | I thought it'd be this crap serial card |
| 15:45.28 | jbevren | so I disabled rts/cts |
| 15:45.33 | jbevren | that didnt help at all :P |
| 15:47.26 | chouimat | ROFL http://immense-world.blogspot.com/2006/09/mathematics-genius.html |
| 15:47.29 | philv | :( |
| 15:47.45 | philv | jbevren: I have a seething, burning hatred for the PPC405 |
| 15:48.44 | jbevren | and I'm developing one |
| 15:48.45 | jbevren | good thing this board was only $20 |
| 15:48.47 | jbevren | I wont feel so bad when I drop it in the bin |
| 15:49.13 | jbevren | if I had a PCI serial card, I'd test with that heh |
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| 15:50.48 | philv | jbevren: what board? |
| 15:50.58 | jbevren | the DHT walnut board (as seen on the wiki) |
| 15:55.00 | chouimat | ? |
| 15:55.03 | philv | Wow, the PCI sots on that board are strategically placed |
| 15:59.08 | agaffney | jbevren: got a USB card? :P |
| 15:59.31 | agaffney | I'm thinking about using a 4-port USB card with my walnut to build a serial console server |
| 15:59.37 | agaffney | I just need 4 usb->serial dongles |
| 16:00.34 | chouimat|away | sold out :'-( |
| 16:03.09 | jbevren | agaffney: thats kinda exceeding the amoutn of hardware I want to use, but I'm trying one atm yeah |
| 16:03.14 | jbevren | usb and a ftdi adapter |
| 16:03.47 | agaffney | ftdi? |
| 16:04.37 | jbevren | http://www.ftdichip.com/FTProducts.htm#FT232R |
| 16:04.38 | jbevren | :D |
| 16:06.29 | agaffney | does it work with the walnut? |
| 16:06.58 | agaffney | and got a link to somewhere I can buy a few dongles with it? :P |
| 16:07.02 | jbevren | we're about to find out :) |
| 16:07.09 | jbevren | I got mine from surpluscomputers.com iirc |
| 16:07.38 | agaffney | the reason I haven't done the serial server yet is because I don't want to spend $80 on 4 dongles only to not have them work |
| 16:08.10 | jbevren | hm the one they have now isnt the one I got |
| 16:08.53 | agaffney | I see 2 for $13.99 |
| 16:09.38 | jbevren | CBL10187? |
| 16:09.45 | jbevren | mine have the cable integrated |
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| 16:10.42 | agaffney | yes |
| 16:10.54 | agaffney | and CBL10144 |
| 16:11.07 | agaffney | that one has the cable integrated |
| 16:12.06 | jbevren | hm Mine's grey |
| 16:12.21 | jbevren | grumble hehe |
| 16:12.35 | agaffney | I suppose I can buy just 1 for now |
| 16:12.37 | agaffney | and see if it works |
| 16:13.52 | agaffney | is there really anything "special" about usb->serial dongles? |
| 16:14.01 | agaffney | or will a generic driver work for all of them? |
| 16:14.48 | jbevren | there are a number of drivers |
| 16:14.56 | jbevren | but most will work with cdc-acm, generic, or ftdi |
| 16:22.53 | prpplague | agaffney: most work fine with the standard linux drivers |
| 16:23.04 | prpplague | agaffney: which one did you order? |
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| 16:24.02 | agaffney | prpplague: http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CBL10144 |
| 16:25.44 | agaffney | I'll have to finish modding that scsi enclosure for my walnut board now :P |
| 16:25.57 | prpplague | agaffney: its not listed in the usb database |
| 16:26.08 | prpplague | agaffney: seems like its ez-usb based |
| 16:26.08 | jbevren | agaffney: the ftdi works |
| 16:26.18 | prpplague | jbevren: for the sabrent one? |
| 16:26.21 | agaffney | prpplague: meaning? |
| 16:26.28 | jbevren | prpplague: I believe its a sabrent yeah |
| 16:26.33 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh |
| 16:26.49 | prpplague | agaffney: nm, if its ftdi based you should be fine |
| 16:27.07 | agaffney | and if it's ez-usb as you mentioned above? :P |
| 16:27.14 | jbevren | Mine's hot the same color as that one |
| 16:27.26 | prpplague | agaffney: still work, just a little different kernel module |
| 16:27.28 | jbevren | but I believe its sabrent-branded |
| 16:27.57 | agaffney | prpplague: ok, wfm |
| 16:28.10 | agaffney | I guess I'll order 3 more next week if this one works |
| 16:28.24 | agaffney | and get my serial console server going |
| 16:28.27 | agaffney | I'll probably just netboot it |
| 16:28.45 | agaffney | since the only "spare" CF cards I have are 16MB and 64MB |
| 16:28.53 | agaffney | and I use the 64MB card for re-flashing my zaurus |
| 16:29.08 | agaffney | I suppose I could do a busybox env on the 16MB |
| 16:30.45 | agaffney | or do the entire system via netboot with an init{rd,ramfs} |
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| 16:44.14 | jbevren- | hehe |
| 16:44.22 | jbevren- | <- commodore 64 |
| 16:44.43 | jbevren- | so apparently the ppp issue is with the ppc405 uart |
| 16:45.01 | *** mode/#edev [+o jbevren_] by ChanServ |
| 16:45.28 | jbevren_ | wish I had a camera now :( |
| 16:48.49 | jbevren | Welcome to J-Shell V0.1 |
| 16:48.49 | jbevren | (c) Jolse Maginnis |
| 16:48.49 | jbevren | </wings/system/>%: ls |
| 16:48.52 | jbevren | teehee |
| 16:51.03 | philv | I have written 18 trampoline functions today |
| 16:51.08 | philv | I'm about to go on to 19 |
| 16:51.21 | jbevren | whats a trampoline function? |
| 16:51.33 | jbevren | thats a pita for non-mmu systems heh |
| 16:52.21 | philv | jbevren: trampoline function is a function that bounces you to, say, a system call, then returns the result to that. |
| 16:52.30 | philv | This is a promlib for a TOP SECRET EVIL PROJECT |
| 16:54.12 | jbevren | ah |
| 16:54.14 | jbevren | a wedge then |
| 16:55.25 | philv | Sorta' |
| 18:10.18 | prpplague | http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1350&aid=-1 |
| 18:10.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:12.41 | agaffney | basic was my starting language as well |
| 18:12.52 | agaffney | first on an Apple ][c and then in qbasic |
| 18:13.48 | prpplague | agaffney: timex sinclair basic, hehe |
| 18:14.14 | jbevren | <- Commodore vic-20 |
| 18:14.18 | jbevren | a whoppin' 5k of ram |
| 18:15.05 | philv | I started on a PDP-11/23+ |
| 18:15.57 | jbevren | I used to go around disliking PC's and other larger systems because they didnt come up in a blink ;) |
| 18:16.29 | agaffney | prpplague: I'm a youngin'...only 22. *my* first computer was a 286. the ][c was at school in 2nd grade |
| 18:16.43 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:16.49 | agaffney | I was in the "gifted program". they were teaching us apple basic at age 8 |
| 18:16.57 | agaffney | that was fscking sweet :P |
| 18:19.48 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:20.55 | prpplague | agaffney: i did the whole range of early pc's , ts-1000, apple ][, c64, ti-99/4a, trs-80, adam |
| 18:21.08 | prpplague | agaffney: even had an osbourne |
| 18:21.15 | prpplague | agaffney: or however you spell it |
| 18:21.17 | jbevren | hm |
| 18:21.29 | jbevren | vic-20, atari 600xl, apple2, atari 400 |
| 18:21.32 | jbevren | hm what oter 8bitters |
| 18:21.44 | jbevren | oh, timex/sinclair ts/1000 (zx81-like thingy) |
| 18:21.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:21.56 | prpplague | i loved the ts-1000 |
| 18:22.03 | prpplague | i had a ton of hardware mods for it |
| 18:22.14 | jbevren | I ultimately took it apart and mounted it inside my old b/w tube tv |
| 18:22.20 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:22.22 | jbevren | stuck the keyboard to the top |
| 18:22.35 | jbevren | took me forever to work out htat I had to enclose it in a metal box ;) |
| 18:22.39 | prpplague | jbevren: i added a full size keyboard to mine |
| 18:22.45 | jbevren | prpplague: cool |
| 18:23.09 | prpplague | jbevren: later versions i've got a standard ps/2 keyboard for it |
| 18:23.21 | jbevren | prpplague: nod |
| 18:23.40 | jbevren | I need to {work on|finish} my video thingy |
| 18:24.17 | agaffney | prpplague: how old are you, though? |
| 18:24.24 | agaffney | probably a few years older than me :) |
| 18:24.25 | jbevren | <- 31 |
| 18:24.47 | agaffney | yeah, that's what I thought :P |
| 18:24.48 | jbevren | I feel sorry for kids these days |
| 18:24.54 | jbevren | there's no wonder, curiosity, or openness in today's systems like there was back then |
| 18:25.13 | agaffney | yeah, most people my age know *nothing* about how hardware and operating systems work under the hood |
| 18:25.17 | jbevren | I used to write utilities in basic to parse the data in rom on my vic20 heh |
| 18:25.20 | agaffney | I'm glad to have what knowledge I do have |
| 18:25.26 | jbevren | I guess I was reverse-engineering from the start |
| 18:25.33 | agaffney | prpplague: old man :P |
| 18:25.38 | jbevren | agaffney: I dont know much |
| 18:25.42 | jbevren | I understand lots of concepts |
| 18:25.49 | agaffney | jbevren: same here |
| 18:25.50 | jbevren | but details and implementations is another story |
| 18:25.58 | agaffney | just understanding the concepts is good enough for most stuff |
| 18:26.06 | jbevren | I've designed cache lines, memory management units (paged and non) |
| 18:26.07 | agaffney | but most people my age don't even get the concepts |
| 18:26.27 | prpplague | agaffney: trust me, i'm way older than you think, i've already lived more in my 36 years than most people would in 4 lifetimes |
| 18:26.35 | jbevren | even an illegal opcode circuit for the 65816 heh |
| 18:27.04 | agaffney | prpplague: heh |
| 18:28.39 | prpplague | agaffney: i've had my own business, served in the US Army, developed a whole lot of software, and visited just about every island in the bahamas and carib |
| 18:30.44 | agaffney | nice |
| 18:30.58 | agaffney | I've done none of the above :P |
| 18:31.04 | agaffney | well, I've been doing a lot of software development |
| 18:31.10 | agaffney | most of it has been within Gentoo Linux |
| 18:31.12 | agaffney | and for work |
| 18:31.21 | agaffney | but it's still fulfilling to me :) |
| 18:32.33 | prpplague | agaffney: and thats just the stuff i've done since i was 18 |
| 18:32.51 | agaffney | heh |
| 18:33.05 | agaffney | I'm too pudgy to serve in the army |
| 18:33.17 | agaffney | and I don't really agree with half the stuff the US pokes its nose in, anyway |
| 18:33.27 | agaffney | and travelling requires money |
| 18:33.36 | prpplague | agaffney: naw, i did it as a job |
| 18:33.40 | agaffney | although, a guy I work with and I are starting a business |
| 18:33.46 | agaffney | web design/programming |
| 18:33.57 | agaffney | we do it already at work, but we're gonna pick up some side jobs |
| 18:34.00 | prpplague | agaffney: the bahamas and carib was my service area, hehe |
| 18:34.11 | agaffney | at a much lower price than "professional" firms |
| 18:34.15 | agaffney | and probably do a better job :) |
| 18:34.19 | agaffney | heh |
| 18:34.43 | prpplague | agaffney: yea, almost everyone of the islands don't have local people that can service nix systems |
| 18:34.51 | agaffney | heh |
| 18:35.35 | prpplague | agaffney: i used to get hotel,food, and travel, plus i was on the clock from the time i left my door till i got back home |
| 18:35.46 | agaffney | I'm learning enough about VMS here at work that I could probably get some extra side contract work doing VMS admin here and there |
| 18:36.31 | agaffney | there's still a surprising number of people using old VAXes running VMS that don't have any clue what to do with them |
| 18:38.28 | prpplague | argh i hate the fact that nbc.com require flashplayer 9 to view anything |
| 18:39.03 | agaffney | when is adobe going to get off their asses and release a linux version >7? |
| 18:39.12 | agaffney | I know they're working on 9 for linux |
| 18:39.22 | agaffney | which will *finally* fix the audio sync issues with 7 |
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| 19:34.02 | [g2] | [g2] hugs T0mW |
| 19:34.24 | [g2] | heh |
| 19:34.42 | T0mW | [g2]: what'd I do now? |
| 19:34.43 | [g2] | T0mW I'm running your build scripts for the arm-elf newlib gcc 4.02 |
| 19:34.48 | T0mW | heh |
| 19:34.48 | [g2] | nice job |
| 19:34.55 | T0mW | thanks |
| 19:35.38 | [g2] | as of now, my only suggesting is to combine all the scripts into one that automatically downloads everything and runs it |
| 19:35.39 | T0mW | [g2]: you may want to look at the RDCF2 filesystem stuff to get some ideas on how to build the I/O stubs. |
| 19:37.06 | T0mW | [g2]: the newlib those scripts will build will need, at the minimum, is the brk() function stub. the brk() function merely sets / gets the memory heap starting address. |
| 19:38.38 | T0mW | [g2]: those stubs are code that you write outside of newlib which performs the hardware i/o dependant tasks. |
| 19:51.36 | [g2] | T0mW I'll have to look closer at that |
| 19:52.14 | [g2] | and I'll be adding a script that automatically pulls all the sources and patches and builds stuff |
| 19:52.16 | T0mW | [g2]: the RDCF2 code is pretty messy, ask me if you have problems understanding it. |
| 19:52.40 | [g2] | OK thx. I'll looking at some other sources too |
| 19:52.57 | [g2] | I've got a couple Sam7 boards arriving tomorrow |
| 19:53.15 | jbevren | Some people are like slinkies - They dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs. |
| 19:54.03 | jbevren | nope |
| 19:54.06 | jbevren | but I know a few people |
| 19:54.07 | jbevren | :) |
| 20:07.23 | CosmicPenguin | yarr |
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| 20:52.21 | [g2] | T0mW looks like the tool chain is building stuff :) I don't have hw yet to run it on, but so far so good. |
| 20:52.42 | CosmicPenguin | hardware is overrated |
| 20:52.43 | [g2] | you won't know where INT_MAX is supposed to be defined btw would you ? |
| 20:54.50 | T0mW | [g2]: no, all the stuff in the scripts is just co-ordinating the builds of the various dev components: binutils, gcc, newlib and Insight. Only newlib is patched with my patch, some minor patching of gcc to get it to make a thumb + arm32 code. |
| 20:55.16 | T0mW | [g2]: 'find -type f | xargs fgrep INT_MAX', heh |
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