| 00:52.58 | GPSFan | T0mW: I never used devfs before. the zipit aaudio driver dosen't use the standard names, maybe that's your problem. Other than that... I got no clue... |
| 00:53.22 | T0mW | is it "cuaau" or something like that? |
| 00:53.36 | agaffney | GPSFan: how did you manage to avoid the horror that is devfs? :P |
| 00:55.09 | GPSFan | agaffney: well, I started hacking on the tuxscreen, which didn't use it, and just never was exposed.. some may consider that lucky ;>) |
| 00:55.51 | agaffney | GPSFan: what about "normal" linux distros? |
| 00:56.03 | GPSFan | T0mW: it is definately not cuaau, zipaudio maybe. |
| 00:56.13 | agaffney | in later 2.4 and earlier 2.6, devfs was the only alternative to a static /dev |
| 00:56.43 | T0mW | GPSFan: ok, I've never used sound on the zipit, just don't know what to expect. |
| 00:57.04 | T0mW | GPSFan: massive rewrite of the zipit stuff coming up |
| 00:58.06 | GPSFan | agaffney: I always used static dev on my embedded stuff, I still run knoppix 3.3 on one machine. it just worked, (as does my ubuntu boxen) so I hardly ever poke into their inner workings. |
| 00:58.16 | GPSFan | T0mW: cool, whatcha been up to? |
| 00:58.56 | T0mW | GPSFan: putting the kernel into flash, filesystem onto mmc, then built a filesystem with OE |
| 00:59.00 | T0mW | GPSFan: it boots off the mmc |
| 00:59.47 | T0mW | GPSFan: messing around with a new replaceable raster logo which is in Flash, then fbcon copies logo from Flash when kernel boots. |
| 01:00.03 | GPSFan | T0mW: OE, ah you must be faster than I about ramping up on how to understand OE. nice work (he said in advance of seeing anything working...) |
| 01:00.11 | T0mW | GPSFan: soon |
| 01:00.24 | T0mW | GPSFan: OE is a PITA |
| 01:00.54 | T0mW | GPSFan: takes a looooong learning curve |
| 01:01.34 | GPSFan | T0mW: cool (again) that may let me learn enough about OE to consider useing it. I remember that it was you who did the original buildroot mods for the webpal, which let me understand (yeah right...) buildroot. |
| 01:03.18 | GPSFan | T0mW: how's the weather there, we just had a full day of snow here, mostly melted now, but the snow level is ~6500' (I'm at 6200) |
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| 01:03.52 | T0mW | GPSFan: it's getting colder, was about 40F last night |
| 01:09.33 | chouimat | hi |
| 01:09.40 | GPSFan | T0mW: zipaudio is the audio device at maj=245 min=4. /dev/audio -> /dev/dsp -> /dev/sipaudio |
| 01:10.02 | GPSFan | s/sipaudio/zipaudio |
| 01:10.23 | chouimat | T0mW: was 3 C last night here |
| 01:11.13 | T0mW | GPSFan: ok, I'll have to play, it won't appear in the /dev all by itself. |
| 01:11.50 | T0mW | AH |
| 01:12.04 | GPSFan | T0mW: there are static entries and symlinks in /dev now, you might want to change them. |
| 01:12.25 | T0mW | GPSFan: cat /proc/devices has "245 Zipit audio", so it might be a space char problem |
| 01:14.07 | GPSFan | T0mW: AH indeed, taht's where my novice kernel driver writing skills show up... I didn't follow any well known conventions, please change the drivers as neccessary as you see fit. |
| 01:15.51 | T0mW | GPSFan: I'll give it a quick try |
| 01:18.20 | T0mW | GPSFan: this AMD X2 system really slams through a 2.4 kernel compile! |
| 01:19.50 | GPSFan | T0mW: nice how long? under a minuit? |
| 01:20.05 | T0mW | GPSFan: about that |
| 01:20.51 | T0mW | GPSFan: bitbake takes a bit longer 'cause you have to untar + patch then compile |
| 01:21.23 | T0mW | GPSFan: o/s is unstable though, 64bit desktop linux is not quite there yet |
| 01:22.01 | T0mW | GPSFan: kernel is ok, just X apps are shaky |
| 01:22.45 | GPSFan | T0mW: ;>( |
| 01:23.04 | GPSFan | T0mW: distro? |
| 01:23.23 | T0mW | GPSFan: mandriva, I'll have to work at this audio more later. |
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| 01:39.05 | T0mW | GPSFan: 18 seconds to build the Zipit kernel |
| 01:40.47 | GPSFan | T0mW: wow... |
| 01:41.33 | T0mW | GPSFan: 2Meg of SDRAM might have helped |
| 01:41.44 | T0mW | s/SDRAM/DDR |
| 01:47.00 | T0mW | DOH! Maybe if I replaced the zipitaudio module in the filesystem that would help? |
| 02:02.12 | prpplague | weird al is my hero |
| 02:17.41 | GPSFan | T0mW: you mean 2G of ddr not 2 meg ;>) |
| 02:18.01 | GPSFan | prpplague: evening.. |
| 02:18.01 | T0mW | doh |
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| 04:27.45 | agaffney | ok, so the first 2 sticks of memory I stick in my walnut |
| 04:27.48 | agaffney | it does't like either |
| 04:27.53 | agaffney | DRAM: 64 MB |
| 04:28.21 | agaffney | are there newer builds of uboot (currently have 1.1.4) for the walnut that are less picky about memory? |
| 04:29.45 | agaffney | ok, it likes that stick a bit better |
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| 12:01.37 | chouimat | morning |
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| 12:14.05 | T0mW | chouimat: good evening |
| 12:14.40 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 12:14.59 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 12:19.14 | T0mW | prpplague: hey hey hey |
| 12:19.33 | prpplague | T0mW: hey |
| 12:19.48 | T0mW | prpplague: morning |
| 12:19.58 | T0mW | prpplague: well... actually my evening |
| 12:20.06 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=17c2dae3aaff9b1e5d83996a5f098ad693f3aeca |
| 12:20.54 | T0mW | prpplague: lol |
| 12:21.05 | T0mW | prpplague: took me a moment to see it |
| 12:21.23 | T0mW | prpplague: best part of OSS is the CHANGELOG |
| 12:21.32 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 12:21.58 | T0mW | prpplague: hey, I got openVPN and pine working, been sending mail via my IMAP server. |
| 12:22.07 | prpplague | T0mW: cool |
| 12:22.26 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, ssh + scp works too. |
| 12:22.27 | prpplague | T0mW: i've got to get either openVPN or vtun working in the next few days |
| 12:22.38 | T0mW | openVPN |
| 12:22.57 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw |
| 12:23.00 | T0mW | openVPN is more flexible on routing stuff |
| 12:26.26 | T0mW | prpplague: just where do you find this sh!t? |
| 12:26.27 | T0mW | heh |
| 12:26.51 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, /. last night |
| 12:27.25 | T0mW | ~prpplague |
| 12:27.37 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, prpplague is mailto:danders@amltd.com or Dave Anders |
| 12:27.50 | T0mW | amltd good email? |
| 12:29.51 | T0mW | prpplague: see if you get this email... |
| 12:32.43 | prpplague | weeeee, new circuit cellar issue online |
| 12:33.19 | T0mW | prpplague: did you get that email I sent? |
| 12:33.49 | prpplague | T0mW: nope |
| 12:33.58 | T0mW | huh |
| 12:35.01 | prpplague | uh wait i did get it |
| 12:35.08 | T0mW | whew |
| 12:35.11 | prpplague | T0mW: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 01:29:56 +0000 (UTC) |
| 12:35.49 | T0mW | hmm, I guess the next app is going to have to be ntp |
| 12:36.18 | chouimat | hi T0mW prpplague |
| 12:36.26 | prpplague | chouimat: morning frenchy |
| 12:36.39 | T0mW | chouimat: get the job? |
| 12:36.48 | prpplague | chouimat: get a hair cut? |
| 12:36.48 | chouimat | [08:16] <Narishma> Need to pee? No bathroom nearby? Fantasize about Jessica Simpson. Thinking about sex preoccupies your brain, so you won't feel as much discomfort, says Larry Lipshultz, M.D., chief of male reproductive medicine at the Baylor College of Medicine. For best results, try Simpson's "These Boots Are Made for Walking" video. |
| 12:36.58 | T0mW | chouimat: you apparently survived the interview |
| 12:37.17 | chouimat | T0mW: no ... the guy forgot the interview and left for vacation ... will have one next week on the phone |
| 12:37.23 | prpplague | chouimat: uh, he said sex, not about vomiting |
| 12:42.46 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe ... some likes her ... and actualy even if I find her dumb I won't say no because after that I can say "What I have achieved in my life?? hmmm good question .... oh! I did Jessica Simpson" ;) |
| 12:44.35 | prpplague | chouimat: hmm s/jessica simpson/a cheap slut |
| 12:44.53 | chouimat | prpplague: :) |
| 12:46.54 | T0mW | prpplague: question |
| 12:47.21 | T0mW | prpplague: you know how the initial boot gives a logo and makes that a protected screen area on the lcd? |
| 12:47.36 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 12:47.44 | prpplague | T0mW: you wanting a boot logo? |
| 12:47.59 | T0mW | prpplague: once you do a chvt it unlocks the protected regiion and clears the logo. |
| 12:48.07 | prpplague | T0mW: right |
| 12:48.12 | T0mW | prpplague: how can you get it back again |
| 12:48.31 | T0mW | prpplague: I'd like that same effect when shutting down. |
| 12:48.31 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, never really thought about it, why do want to? |
| 12:48.38 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 12:48.58 | prpplague | T0mW: at that point you should be able to write to the frame buffer before the shutdown process |
| 12:49.11 | T0mW | prpplague: only way I can see is con_deinit then con_init (dealloc /dev/fb/0 then alloc it) |
| 12:49.45 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, but I cannot protect that area of the screen |
| 12:49.47 | prpplague | T0mW: just add a small c app in your shutdown process to clear the fb and places you splash screen in |
| 12:50.36 | T0mW | prpplague: that is simple to do , but I need a protected area bounding the image as there will be text printing on the screen during shutdown |
| 12:51.05 | prpplague | T0mW: actually you don't even have to do that, just do a dump of /dev/fb and when you are ready for a shut down just cat the file and > to /dev/fb |
| 12:51.15 | T0mW | yeah |
| 12:51.29 | prpplague | T0mW: switch to a vt not being used before the shutdown |
| 12:51.59 | T0mW | prpplague: but, do you know how to create a 2 .. 3 line area that when you print into it it will only scroll 2..3 lines? not scroll the whole screen. |
| 12:52.18 | prpplague | T0mW: oh, no |
| 12:52.25 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i see what you are saying |
| 12:52.44 | T0mW | ok, I see fbcon.c doing it but haven't figure it all out yet. |
| 12:52.49 | prpplague | T0mW: i'd have to look, but there shouldn't be any reason you can't do the reverse of the startup logo |
| 12:53.56 | T0mW | prpplague: with all the work I've done, with a nice startup splash + only three text lines at the bottom of the screen so I can print progress messages. A sloppy shutdown sux |
| 12:54.32 | T0mW | prpplague: OH WAIT! Linux is not supposed to be shutdown, silly me! |
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| 12:55.08 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 12:55.26 | T0mW | :P |
| 12:56.08 | T0mW | prpplague: for a main system you don't care about how it looks when it shuts down. But, with a handheld device, a gracefull shutdown is important. |
| 12:59.13 | prpplague | hehe yep |
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| 13:14.01 | prpplague | T0mW: "Circuit Cellar" has really started to become "Atmel's Circuit Cellar" |
| 13:14.51 | T0mW | humpf |
| 13:20.59 | prpplague | jbevren: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2821405955.html |
| 13:21.03 | prpplague | jbevren: you see that? |
| 13:21.15 | prpplague | jbevren: thats the processor thats in the leapfrog leapster |
| 13:23.16 | chouimat | frog toaster? |
| 13:25.14 | prpplague | http://www.leapfrog.com/do/findproduct?key=leapster&ageGroupKey=grade |
| 13:25.17 | prpplague | ~leapster |
| 13:25.56 | prpplague | purl: leapster is an electronic pda style device targeted to kids - http://www.leapfrog.com/do/findproduct?key=leapster&ageGroupKey=grade |
| 13:25.58 | purl | okay, prpplague |
| 13:26.03 | prpplague | chouimat: oh i love them |
| 13:26.06 | prpplague | ~leapster |
| 13:26.08 | purl | leapster is probably an electronic pda style device targeted to kids - http://www.leapfrog.com/do/findproduct?key=leapster&ageGroupKey=grade |
| 13:26.28 | chouimat | prpplague: not when I have to walk 5 km to go make the groceries |
| 13:26.46 | prpplague | chouimat: yikes |
| 13:26.52 | prpplague | chouimat: 5km for groceries? |
| 13:26.56 | prpplague | chouimat: jeeze |
| 13:28.15 | chouimat | prpplague: I have one nearer like next door but it's "fine grocery" so a little more expensive ... I might just go there to grab stuff for today and tomorrow and wait monday to go at the other (the 5km is the roundtrip) |
| 13:29.31 | chouimat | prpplague: ok time to resume the quest for a usuable tag editor that support batch operation |
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| 17:53.55 | agaffney | mmm, good |
| 17:54.07 | agaffney | my usb serial dongle and the walnut seem to be more cooperative this morning |
| 17:54.14 | agaffney | I was having all kinds of problems last night |
| 17:54.24 | agaffney | weird output when I hit keys |
| 17:54.34 | agaffney | that would be "fixed" if I disconnected from the serial and reconnected |
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