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| 09:19.31 | infoclog | hwo can one determine if there is a default Boot prgram in the Flash mem or not <ß |
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| 13:25.36 | prpplague | sjhill: hey hey |
| 13:25.51 | prpplague | sjhill: you ever get your glibc patches for buildroot added ? |
| 13:26.27 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:27.05 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 13:27.30 | philv | moin |
| 13:27.47 | prpplague | philv: hey bud, whats cookin? |
| 13:27.51 | prpplague | philv: anything fun? |
| 13:27.59 | philv | Haha, I wish. |
| 13:28.09 | philv | Pouring over the RTL for our next gen MPLS assist |
| 13:28.13 | philv | What's cooking on your end of things? |
| 13:28.34 | prpplague | :( digging around for a replacement for usbser.sys |
| 13:28.49 | prpplague | we need something a little more robust and stable |
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| 13:29.13 | philv | Uggh, gross |
| 13:29.24 | sjhill | prpplague: hello |
| 13:29.26 | sjhill | prpplague: nope |
| 13:29.29 | philv | I'm glad I don't get to do Windows. |
| 13:29.37 | philv | But boy howdy do I get to do VxWorks |
| 13:29.51 | sjhill | that's not much better actually |
| 13:29.54 | prpplague | sjhill: if you have time would you mind email'n me a copy? |
| 13:30.15 | sjhill | how about you set a deadline for me |
| 13:30.17 | prpplague | philv: yea, i'm usually limited to sync programs and minor driver hacks for the windows side |
| 13:30.25 | prpplague | sjhill: mmmmmm |
| 13:30.26 | sjhill | otherwise, i'll procrastinate |
| 13:30.30 | philv | phew |
| 13:30.38 | prpplague | sjhill: ok you have 42 minutes |
| 13:30.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:30.51 | philv | Tonight at 11:59 PM or you get a mark of 0 |
| 13:30.54 | philv | ;) |
| 13:31.03 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:31.20 | prpplague | sjhill: seriously, how about a week from today? |
| 13:32.13 | philv | http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2002443261018.gif |
| 13:32.49 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: I was told, by flyback, to contact you... I've got an interesting device I'm working over to put *nix on |
| 13:34.40 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: hehe, well using flyback as a reference isn't exactly gonna give you any points, hehe |
| 13:34.42 | LyosNorezel2 | it's a DLink DWL-6000AP... with a Toshiba TMPR3927AF CPU... 3MBytes of NOR flash... and ~32MBytes of PC133 SDRAM |
| 13:34.56 | LyosNorezel2 | really? why's that? |
| 13:34.57 | prpplague | interesting |
| 13:35.15 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: well seeing how he's banned on almost every channel on freenode and oftc |
| 13:35.24 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 13:35.29 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: not familiar with that cpu |
| 13:35.33 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: url ? |
| 13:35.37 | LyosNorezel2 | one sec |
| 13:35.50 | philv | That's an r3k-based SoC no? |
| 13:36.16 | philv | If that's the one I think it is, support for it got culled recently in the linux-mips tree |
| 13:36.25 | LyosNorezel2 | www.semicon.toshiba.co.jp/eng/prd/micro/td/39family/3927/pdf/bde0016a.pdf |
| 13:36.59 | LyosNorezel2 | 32bit RISC CPU |
| 13:37.22 | LyosNorezel2 | with PCI built in |
| 13:38.01 | LyosNorezel2 | and a SDRAM/SGRAM/SGROM memory controller built in too |
| 13:38.33 | LyosNorezel2 | it's got no less than 6 chip CS/CE control pins |
| 13:38.49 | prpplague | yea r3k based |
| 13:38.49 | LyosNorezel2 | for S*RAM |
| 13:39.54 | jbevren | LyosNorezel2: sounds like my ppc8xxx |
| 13:39.59 | jbevren | builtin pci, sdram, etc :) |
| 13:40.04 | prpplague | wonder if it is already running linux |
| 13:40.06 | jbevren | mipsy is cool though |
| 13:40.22 | LyosNorezel2 | I'd like to figure out how to dump the NOR flash and put NAND in it's place |
| 13:40.53 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: you mean dump the contents of the NOR flash or remove the NOR flash? |
| 13:41.10 | LyosNorezel2 | just with the NAND chips I currently own... I could get 128MBytes of NAND on that board |
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| 13:41.18 | LyosNorezel2 | remove the NOR |
| 13:41.33 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: really you probably want to keep the nor flash to boot from |
| 13:41.45 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: no reason you can use the nand flash in conjuntion with the nor |
| 13:41.52 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: which is what most commercial boards do |
| 13:42.04 | LyosNorezel2 | hmmm |
| 13:42.35 | LyosNorezel2 | well... the really interesting part about this Access Point is... |
| 13:42.45 | LyosNorezel2 | it has 2 MiniPCI cards |
| 13:42.57 | LyosNorezel2 | 1 is a 802.11a card |
| 13:43.07 | LyosNorezel2 | the other is a 802.11b card |
| 13:43.21 | prpplague | interesting |
| 13:43.31 | LyosNorezel2 | I want to dump both of those cards and get a 802.11a/b/g |
| 13:43.36 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: what does that AP usually sell for? |
| 13:43.56 | LyosNorezel2 | and put a 4port USB2.0 MiniPCI card in the other slot |
| 13:44.18 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: not sure... when I got it it was about 100USD |
| 13:44.28 | prpplague | ahh interesting |
| 13:44.32 | LyosNorezel2 | but that was years ago |
| 13:44.39 | sjhill | prpplague: ok |
| 13:45.01 | prpplague | sjhill: thanks |
| 13:45.59 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: http://www.neutronexpress.com/prod.cfm/374905 |
| 13:46.36 | LyosNorezel2 | I probably managed to find the only one of those in existance |
| 13:46.37 | prpplague | interesting |
| 13:47.00 | LyosNorezel2 | I have not been able to find anyone else who makes or sells those |
| 13:48.33 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: I haven't been able to find anything in the CPU's documentation that indicates it couldn't use NAND |
| 13:50.13 | sjhill | LyosNorezel2: sure, it can use NAND....it's just you would need a FPGA for boostrapping any code out of the NAND if you get rid of the NOR all together |
| 13:50.52 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: which is why i said you probably need to keeo the NOR |
| 13:51.04 | LyosNorezel2 | hmmm... the NOR is attached to a 'Lattice' chip |
| 13:52.19 | LyosNorezel2 | it a 'isp2032VE' |
| 13:52.31 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: all you need to support nand flash is 8 data lines and 6 or so control lines (can be gpio) |
| 13:52.41 | philv | Latice Semi |
| 13:52.45 | philv | They make nice FPGAs |
| 13:52.48 | philv | Rather, some cute ones |
| 13:52.57 | sjhill | indeed |
| 13:53.20 | philv | I still prefer Xilinx, but some of their newer high-end stuff is starting to smell nice |
| 13:54.45 | LyosNorezel2 | pin 8 of one of the flash chips (TSSOP-48) goes to pin 37 of the lattice |
| 13:55.09 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: that doesn't mean much, could be power or ground |
| 13:55.20 | LyosNorezel2 | pin 10 of the same chip goes to pin 32 |
| 13:55.23 | LyosNorezel2 | could be |
| 13:56.04 | LyosNorezel2 | I couldn't even begin to trace a schematic like the one this board must have |
| 13:56.31 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: generally for device hacking you have to get atleast 3 units |
| 13:56.34 | philv | What make of flash? |
| 13:56.38 | LyosNorezel2 | but to all appearances the data lines run through the SDRAM |
| 13:56.40 | LyosNorezel2 | AMD |
| 13:57.12 | LyosNorezel2 | AM29LV800BB and AM29LV160DB |
| 13:57.14 | philv | Hrmn |
| 13:57.35 | LyosNorezel2 | both are of the -90EC variety |
| 13:59.33 | philv | Data lines do not go to the Lattice device, ja? |
| 13:59.51 | LyosNorezel2 | no |
| 14:00.13 | LyosNorezel2 | to the CPU |
| 14:03.45 | philv | Well, that's a CPLD iirc |
| 14:03.54 | philv | So it's probably just decoding the signals\ |
| 14:04.11 | philv | I bet the SoC is designed for use with NAND flash or something ridiculous like that |
| 14:04.41 | LyosNorezel2 | kool |
| 14:04.52 | LyosNorezel2 | that'll make it a bit easier |
| 14:05.15 | prpplague | nand flash is easy anyway, hardware wise |
| 14:05.27 | philv | yeah |
| 14:05.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:05.55 | LyosNorezel2 | 128MBytes of Flash will be cheap compared to 8MBytes of NOR |
| 14:05.57 | philv | Gah, I hate ATM... UTOPIA is such a freakin' wide bus |
| 14:05.59 | prpplague | its the crc and wear leveling that get me |
| 14:06.28 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: yea, you can get a standard 128 xD card pretty cheap these days |
| 14:06.38 | philv | LyosNorezel2: you could easily build a nice little linux setup with only 8 MB |
| 14:06.46 | LyosNorezel2 | s/Flash/nand |
| 14:07.06 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: ye but xD is proprietary isn't if? |
| 14:07.13 | LyosNorezel2 | *it |
| 14:07.24 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: xD card is nothing more than a NAND flash chip in a removable package |
| 14:07.37 | LyosNorezel2 | hmmm |
| 14:07.49 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: whats proprietary is the format of the data on the card |
| 14:07.51 | philv | XD |
| 14:07.54 | philv | heheh |
| 14:08.06 | LyosNorezel2 | well I've got some NAND flash chips from some old devices |
| 14:08.09 | prpplague | makes prototyping easy and cheap |
| 14:09.08 | philv | The other option is I think Intel gives out freebie flash |
| 14:09.22 | philv | But not sure if begging for handouts is frowned upon here, heh |
| 14:09.35 | LyosNorezel2 | philv: where at? |
| 14:09.54 | philv | There's a Flash Memory Development Kit you can get from Intel |
| 14:10.01 | philv | I haven't the foggiest idea what the URL to it is. |
| 14:10.11 | LyosNorezel2 | hmmm |
| 14:10.30 | prpplague | philv: yea that thing is major expensive |
| 14:10.46 | philv | Oh I got it for free 8) |
| 14:10.49 | prpplague | philv: and for the freebies from intel you have to be registered with their dev partner program |
| 14:10.54 | prpplague | philv: really? |
| 14:11.01 | prpplague | philv: hehe |
| 14:11.03 | philv | Came with 8 ICs, a bunch of propaganda |
| 14:11.14 | prpplague | philv: wow how did you score that? |
| 14:11.17 | philv | I ordered it along with the updated Itanium2 manuals |
| 14:11.27 | philv | There was a link to it someone gave me |
| 14:11.30 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:11.31 | philv | Let me grep my IRC logs |
| 14:11.53 | prpplague | we get lots of intel flash samples, but never seen any annoucements on the eval kit |
| 14:12.11 | LyosNorezel2 | lucky you |
| 14:12.29 | LyosNorezel2 | I would love to score some free flash |
| 14:13.00 | philv | http://www.intel.com/design/literature.htm apparently works for free samples too |
| 14:13.09 | philv | the Flash SuperKit it was called |
| 14:13.37 | philv | developer.intel.com, click c3/b3 then there's a "request superkit" link somewhere |
| 14:13.45 | philv | But this was ages ago |
| 14:14.48 | LyosNorezel2 | c3/b3? |
| 14:14.48 | philv | They sent it next-day FedEx |
| 14:15.02 | philv | Cypress has also been good for me, but that was for QDR-II SRAMs |
| 14:15.18 | philv | I probably have 1500 dollars worth of QDR-II SRAM in my closet |
| 14:15.26 | philv | Waiting to be put onto a line card 8)))) |
| 14:15.51 | LyosNorezel2 | Cypress will no longer send memory chip samples |
| 14:15.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:16.25 | philv | Naw they will |
| 14:16.31 | philv | Just request it from an official looking address |
| 14:16.53 | LyosNorezel2 | I tried with a NVRAM device and they denied it |
| 14:16.58 | prpplague | http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/18/burundi.refugees.reut/index.html |
| 14:17.00 | prpplague | argh |
| 14:17.09 | philv | The toughest nuts to crack I find are companies like Wintegra or Broadcom |
| 14:17.26 | philv | prpplague: hey man, look at where I am. |
| 14:17.29 | philv | We're drowining |
| 14:17.32 | philv | *drowning |
| 14:17.38 | philv | I'm practically a minority and I'm pasty white |
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| 14:26.26 | LyosNorezel2 | anyway... what do ya'll think of my project? |
| 14:30.31 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague? |
| 14:36.48 | chouimat | philv: and they probably have more hours in bank than you ;) |
| 14:37.34 | philv | Haha |
| 14:41.26 | LyosNorezel2 | holy hell... that's heavy |
| 14:42.00 | LyosNorezel2 | I just installed a Xion 600W power supply in a customers computer |
| 14:42.10 | LyosNorezel2 | the thing must weigh 15lbs |
| 14:47.19 | LyosNorezel2 | hello? |
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| 14:51.05 | isenbeck | prpplague, you still in country ? |
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| 14:56.20 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: ye awake? |
| 14:57.51 | philv | >:O |
| 14:58.01 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 14:58.22 | philv | Bah, Wintegra still hasn't gotten back to me. |
| 14:58.29 | philv | jerks. |
| 14:58.32 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 14:58.48 | LyosNorezel2 | ye ne'er can get a response outta some people |
| 14:59.17 | philv | Well it's stupid because my company will probably spend millions of dollars on them. |
| 14:59.29 | philv | If not tens-of |
| 14:59.34 | philv | So why not get in touch back with an engineer |
| 14:59.58 | LyosNorezel2 | idk |
| 15:00.05 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: yea, just working |
| 15:00.08 | LyosNorezel2 | try calling them |
| 15:00.21 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: ah |
| 15:00.21 | prpplague | isenbeck: no, back in barbados for now, trying to finish up with moving plans |
| 15:00.31 | philv | LyosNorezel2: I've called their local sales rep a few times. |
| 15:00.41 | philv | Looks like we're going to be making an in-house solution |
| 15:01.40 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 15:02.01 | LyosNorezel2 | what part ye trying to get from them? |
| 15:02.51 | philv | Datasheets on WIN747 or whatever |
| 15:03.30 | LyosNorezel2 | ah |
| 15:03.44 | LyosNorezel2 | CLPD? FPGA? |
| 15:03.47 | LyosNorezel2 | memory? |
| 15:04.11 | philv | Basically a line card on a chip |
| 15:04.20 | philv | UTOPIA, DS1, etc... |
| 15:04.29 | philv | Mips 5kc |
| 15:04.46 | philv | I think 3 GMIIs |
| 15:06.10 | LyosNorezel2 | hmmm |
| 15:07.55 | LyosNorezel2 | what is a line card? |
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| 15:18.25 | LyosNorezel2 | philv? |
| 15:18.51 | philv | Oh |
| 15:18.55 | philv | Sorry |
| 15:18.59 | philv | I was in a conference call with Wintegra :D |
| 15:19.20 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 15:19.52 | philv | Basically a line card provides service to a customer |
| 15:19.55 | philv | Or multiple customers |
| 15:19.58 | philv | Or multiple sites. |
| 15:20.09 | LyosNorezel2 | oh |
| 15:24.31 | CosmicPenguin | so many e-mails |
| 15:24.45 | philv | Designing some with GigE, some with ATM, some with multiple DS1 lines |
| 15:27.59 | prpplague | brb |
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| 15:51.52 | jbevren | anyone using an adaptec SAS controller in linux 2.6? |
| 15:56.23 | isenbeck | prpplague, great..............missed your sorry !@#$ again. :) |
| 15:59.35 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe |
| 15:59.40 | prpplague | isenbeck: soon will be back |
| 16:22.48 | isenbeck | prpplague, thanks for the warning............ |
| 16:23.06 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe |
| 16:35.01 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: you have yet to tell me your opinion of my project... |
| 16:35.33 | jbevren | is no opinion a bad opinion? |
| 16:38.00 | LyosNorezel2 | jbevern: may I PM ye? |
| 16:39.47 | LyosNorezel2 | jbevern: ne'er mind... just scroll up |
| 16:45.08 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/wireless/exclusive-thinkgeek-bluetooth-retro-handset-208465.php |
| 16:45.11 | CosmicPenguin | I kind of want that |
| 16:46.41 | LyosNorezel2 | bwahahahaha |
| 16:48.00 | agaffney | hah |
| 16:50.44 | LyosNorezel2 | It would be cool to get a USB phono player though |
| 16:51.03 | LyosNorezel2 | but they have yet to come out with one that plays 78s |
| 16:55.24 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: sorry very busy today |
| 16:58.42 | LyosNorezel2 | ah |
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| 17:46.37 | LyosNorezel2 | how difficult would it be to connect NOR flash to a parallel port? |
| 17:47.01 | jbevren | level shifting for voltages and latches for address bits |
| 17:47.15 | jbevren | <- not an expert |
| 17:47.20 | jbevren | but thats how Ive seen sram done :) |
| 17:47.25 | LyosNorezel2 | hmmm |
| 17:47.33 | jbevren | flash is command-based, so it shouldnt be too different |
| 17:47.36 | jbevren | s/so/but/ |
| 17:47.47 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 17:48.18 | LyosNorezel2 | all I want to do is be able to read a few NOR chips |
| 17:48.33 | LyosNorezel2 | TSSOP-48 NOR |
| 17:49.11 | LyosNorezel2 | just read the chips and save the data as a binary file |
| 17:49.39 | LyosNorezel2 | so I can reprogram other (possibly NAND) chips with the same data |
| 18:02.04 | LyosNorezel2 | damn... it's very quiet in here |
| 18:02.31 | CosmicPenguin | work |
| 18:02.35 | CosmicPenguin | its called that for a reason |
| 18:02.41 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 18:03.07 | LyosNorezel2 | what?... forgotten how to multitask? |
| 18:03.15 | LyosNorezel2 | ;-) |
| 18:03.48 | CosmicPenguin | too many tasks |
| 18:03.54 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 18:04.18 | LyosNorezel2 | just wait until the next generation gets here |
| 18:05.06 | LyosNorezel2 | my generation could rightfully be called the first multitasking generation... the next generation will put mine to shame |
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| 18:52.27 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 18:52.42 | T0mW | prpplague: bleah |
| 18:52.46 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:52.58 | prpplague | T0mW: you got your s3c2410 board up and running? |
| 18:53.07 | T0mW | prpplague: uh, not lately |
| 18:53.14 | prpplague | T0mW: doh |
| 18:53.19 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm |
| 18:53.22 | T0mW | prpplague: why is that? |
| 18:53.42 | prpplague | T0mW: i need to know what shows up in /proc/driver/rtc for another s3c2410 board |
| 18:53.48 | T0mW | oh |
| 18:55.01 | T0mW | prpplague: I think the board is in shambles right now, I was still working on getting usb / touchscreen working in the kernel when I last put it down. |
| 18:55.57 | T0mW | prpplague: I'd like to get back to that project, but, they keep giving me stuff that is 'priority, do this first' crap |
| 18:56.11 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 18:56.12 | T0mW | prpplague: almost like I'm an employee |
| 18:56.12 | prpplague | btdt |
| 18:56.35 | T0mW | prpplague: I thought I finally got away from all that stuff, sheesh |
| 18:57.20 | T0mW | prpplague: so, NXP (Philips Semi) releases an IP stack for the LPC2000 family of processors. It has ARP, ICMP, TCP, UDP and DHCP. |
| 18:57.24 | T0mW | prpplague: BUT |
| 18:57.49 | T0mW | prpplague: It cannot be linked against an open source lib such as newlib / glibc |
| 18:58.11 | T0mW | prpplague: pretty empty gesture on NXP's part |
| 18:59.06 | T0mW | prpplague: of course, if you go out an spend thousands of dollars on a kiel or iar software development system... You'd get proprietary libs |
| 18:59.07 | prpplague | T0mW: yea you see alot of that |
| 19:01.29 | T0mW | prpplague: I gave the board a quick try, I left it in non-bootable condition |
| 19:06.39 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 20:14.08 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8708456183.html |
| 20:14.36 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: that is what one of my customers use in his Kentucky Fried Chicken stores |
| 20:15.04 | CosmicPenguin | Media-GX heh? |
| 20:15.06 | CosmicPenguin | Heaven help you |
| 20:15.47 | T0mW | bah, freakin' gigabit ethernet adapters keep dying on this AMD X2 / Nvidia system |
| 20:16.04 | T0mW | I knew I shouldn't have purchased an ASUS motherboard |
| 20:27.45 | CosmicPenguin | yay - we beat the street |
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