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| 15:18.02 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:18.10 | prpplague | greetings |
| 15:18.49 | LinuxCart | chouimat: or afternoon, eh¿? |
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| 16:21.37 | prpplague | ~seen CosmicPenguin |
| 16:21.53 | purl | cosmicpenguin <i=nobody@nat/amd/x-4591c2caed21aafb> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 19h 54m 8s ago, saying: 'yay - we beat the street'. |
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| 16:54.20 | prpplague | isenbeck: hey |
| 16:54.56 | isenbeck | ahhhh jeeeeeeeez |
| 16:55.06 | isenbeck | having fun with networking this am |
| 16:55.12 | prpplague | isenbeck: lovely |
| 16:55.30 | isenbeck | trying to get a flash for an intel server |
| 16:55.45 | isenbeck | the stupid fan is set on high |
| 16:55.45 | prpplague | what kind of flash? |
| 16:55.52 | prpplague | isenbeck: bios? |
| 16:55.54 | philv | Oh man |
| 16:55.54 | isenbeck | bios............ |
| 16:56.04 | philv | I hate writing traffic management technical practices |
| 16:56.11 | chouimat | hehe |
| 16:56.21 | isenbeck | fan is sooooooooo load..........that I can't hear myself think |
| 16:56.27 | isenbeck | load=loud |
| 16:56.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:56.36 | philv | BitTorrent makes my job impossible |
| 16:56.42 | philv | Well BitTorrent and P2P in general |
| 16:57.15 | prpplague | philv: hmm, we all thought it was booze and the nudie bar that made your job impossible |
| 16:57.33 | isenbeck | allrighty then......... |
| 16:57.34 | philv | Naw, I'm not a fan of nudie bars. |
| 16:57.52 | philv | But seriously, our customers are going crazy because BitTorrent accounts for like 60% of traffic now |
| 16:57.54 | chouimat | prpplague: every lunch at a nudie bar is an happy meal ;) |
| 16:57.56 | isenbeck | I love b00bies.......... |
| 16:57.59 | isenbeck | heh |
| 16:58.11 | chouimat | philv: LOL |
| 16:58.33 | philv | So you know what's my solution? |
| 16:58.45 | prpplague | philv: tasers? |
| 16:58.51 | philv | Assign anything that isn't on a known critical port the lowest ToS level |
| 16:58.52 | isenbeck | shut down and go home |
| 16:58.53 | chouimat | philv: bigger pipe? |
| 16:58.56 | philv | Well |
| 16:58.56 | philv | QoS |
| 16:59.00 | philv | DiffServ |
| 16:59.03 | philv | Bleh |
| 16:59.12 | philv | Heh, for me to smoke |
| 16:59.44 | philv | But seriously, this is getting ridiculous... I don't care about piracy but I do care about Denial of Service because someone wants the latest Vin Diesel movie |
| 16:59.53 | prpplague | philv: hmm, aren't they worried about RIAA and MIAA knock ont he door? |
| 17:00.31 | philv | The Tier1s and Tier2s we deal with directly usually don't, because they just deflect all that. |
| 17:00.51 | philv | The problem is more that peering points and backbones require absurd bandwidth growth |
| 17:00.56 | philv | Because of this |
| 17:01.00 | prpplague | philv: ahh |
| 17:01.36 | prpplague | philv: MIAA and RIAA have been here on the island pretty strong for about a month or so |
| 17:01.57 | prpplague | philv: they local .gov controlled ISP just handed over ip records to them |
| 17:02.54 | isenbeck | prpplague, wonderfull........... |
| 17:03.16 | isenbeck | that would be bad.........here anyway. |
| 17:03.28 | isenbeck | prpplague, what is the fine per file these days ? |
| 17:03.56 | chouimat | isenbeck: how much you have in your bank account .... and you multiply it by 25 ;) |
| 17:04.42 | isenbeck | chouimat, heh..........250$ US........ |
| 17:06.04 | prpplague | isenbeck: iirc its $1500 per violation |
| 17:07.24 | isenbeck | prpplague, great |
| 17:08.00 | philv | BUT THE DATA WANTS TO BE FREE |
| 17:08.14 | philv | The funny part is that they rely entirely on people settling out of court |
| 17:08.30 | philv | So the second you ask for it to go to a court they tend to back off. |
| 17:08.46 | philv | I'll let the lawyers duke it out |
| 17:09.01 | philv | For now I am going to go to Bram Cohen's house and steal his hugbox so he can stop making bloody BitTorrent so hard to find and classify |
| 17:09.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:10.53 | philv | ANd if that doesn't work, we're going to have to improve our metering capabilities. |
| 17:10.58 | philv | Bitbuckets for all! |
| 17:11.58 | prpplague | philv: not sure i could deal day in and day out with isp related issues |
| 17:12.16 | philv | Well, I couldn't deal with it if I were running the ISP |
| 17:12.23 | philv | But dealing with designing the equipment is okay I find. |
| 17:12.30 | philv | Until you get called at 3AM |
| 17:12.34 | philv | That irritates me |
| 17:13.23 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:14.17 | prpplague | philv: when i worked for abcsinc, we'd get calls like that, but it would be, "ok, pack you bags, you've got to be at the airport in 2 hours" |
| 17:14.17 | philv | But I mean, people, BitTorrent sensibly -- remember, BitTorrent is killing peering points and is starting to deny legitimate traffic |
| 17:14.17 | prpplague | ~emulate abcsinc |
| 17:14.19 | philv | Oh, I wouldn't mind that |
| 17:14.19 | philv | Travel is fun |
| 17:14.21 | prpplague | ~emulate abcs |
| 17:14.22 | purl | selling used products as new isn't unethical! |
| 17:14.28 | philv | But if I get a call at 3 AM it means I have to bike |
| 17:14.38 | philv | Hahaha |
| 17:14.44 | prpplague | philv: you try |
| 17:14.58 | philv | ~emulate nortel |
| 17:15.06 | philv | ~emulate |
| 17:15.08 | prpplague | hehe, i meant for abcs again |
| 17:15.11 | philv | -_- |
| 17:15.23 | philv | oooh |
| 17:15.25 | prpplague | ~emulate abcs |
| 17:15.26 | purl | if we can't sell it for 500% markup we aren't interested! |
| 17:15.38 | philv | haha |
| 17:15.45 | philv | ~emulate abcs |
| 17:15.47 | purl | if we can't sell it for 500% markup we aren't interested! |
| 17:16.03 | prpplague | philv: isenbeck is a former abcs employee too, he can attest to the fun work environment |
| 17:16.14 | prpplague | ~emulate abcs |
| 17:16.16 | purl | selling used products as new isn't unethical! |
| 17:16.34 | philv | haha, what sort of gear did it sell? |
| 17:16.34 | prpplague | hmm, i thought i have four or five different responses, guess not |
| 17:16.51 | isenbeck | ahhhhh yes.......I remember selling 300 $ routers for 1500 $ |
| 17:17.04 | prpplague | philv: primarily it was a unix accounting system, isenbeck and i were part of the hardware team that did support hardware |
| 17:17.07 | philv | Cisco? |
| 17:17.15 | philv | Ahhh |
| 17:17.15 | isenbeck | FastComm |
| 17:17.26 | philv | Never heard of |
| 17:17.39 | prpplague | philv: DDS and ATM stuff |
| 17:17.50 | philv | I'm pretty cynical about Nortel's prices, but the markup isn't 500%, heh |
| 17:17.53 | philv | Oh cool |
| 17:17.55 | prpplague | philv: pre-broadband stuff |
| 17:18.59 | philv | ATM over SONET is gangsta' |
| 17:19.03 | philv | ;) |
| 17:19.18 | prpplague | isenbeck: you know even after i left abcs, tons of customers would call me for support |
| 17:19.27 | isenbeck | prpplague, meee toooo |
| 17:19.37 | isenbeck | I amde several trips to seattle |
| 17:19.46 | isenbeck | Bob Dunn and Company................ |
| 17:19.47 | prpplague | isenibeck: i'd ask, so... why aren't you calling abcs? and they'd say, we did, they couldn't help |
| 17:20.09 | prpplague | isenbeck: they'd pay abcs for support, then not get it, and then expect me to help them for free |
| 17:20.16 | philv | Hahaha |
| 17:20.29 | philv | How recent was this? |
| 17:20.52 | prpplague | lets see, i left abcs 2 years ago this month |
| 17:20.55 | isenbeck | yeah me too.........I did network support for a few companies...paid my bills on contract work |
| 17:21.50 | prpplague | philv: last straw was when i did a board bringup and did some custom software in just two weeks, and they wanted to know what took so long |
| 17:21.55 | philv | 8)) |
| 17:22.08 | philv | WHA |
| 17:22.12 | isenbeck | prpplague, I remember that...............you were livid........ |
| 17:22.30 | philv | We have a 4 month design->bringup->develop->deploy cycle at minimum... how is 2 weeks "long"? |
| 17:22.39 | isenbeck | did you not invite Stanford to have sex with himself in a nice closed dor meeting |
| 17:22.52 | prpplague | isenbeck: well what pissed me off worse was that they had already gotten quotes for the job from 3 companies and all were 30-45 days |
| 17:23.09 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe, yea something like that |
| 17:23.22 | isenbeck | and 10's of 1000's of dollars........... |
| 17:23.24 | philv | prpplague: what was the board's purpose? |
| 17:23.33 | prpplague | philv: price checker kiosk |
| 17:23.39 | isenbeck | prpplague, a kiosk wasn't it ? |
| 17:23.45 | isenbeck | ahh yes |
| 17:23.57 | prpplague | philv: the hardware was already running windows, but i got linux running on it |
| 17:24.27 | isenbeck | Do you remember that HUGE Frame Relay network I designed and configured for that company in Hawaii ? |
| 17:24.36 | prpplague | philv: every department head of the company is a former member of the sales department |
| 17:24.51 | prpplague | philv: they don't put anyone in management unless they come from sales |
| 17:24.57 | prpplague | isenbeck: oh yea |
| 17:24.59 | isenbeck | prpplague, I designed...........configured............documented the whoooooole thing in two days......... |
| 17:25.24 | isenbeck | Charlie took down there........EVERYTHING worked right off the plane......... |
| 17:25.40 | prpplague | isenbeck: or when i had to do that port for the POS system in nassau in just 3 days |
| 17:25.41 | isenbeck | 12 locations or so......... |
| 17:25.53 | philv | prpplague: yay sounds like Engineer Hell |
| 17:26.01 | prpplague | philv: you have no idea |
| 17:26.20 | isenbeck | abcs charged 30 grand for that...........I got 9.65 $ per hour |
| 17:26.44 | prpplague | philv: when i started working for my present employer i was totally shocked by the work environment, hehe |
| 17:27.10 | prpplague | isenbeck: hell, look at adwin, they are still selling that like crazy |
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| 17:34.21 | prpplague | mbuf: hey |
| 17:34.28 | mbuf | prpplague, howdy! |
| 17:34.34 | prpplague | mbuf: you got your littlechips board up and running |
| 17:34.47 | mbuf | prpplague, long time back; yesterday got NFS up and running |
| 17:35.16 | prpplague | mbuf: can you do: cat /proc/driver/rtc and paste the results to pastebin.ca ? |
| 17:35.35 | mbuf | has anyone used a USB jigg ? |
| 17:35.44 | prpplague | usb jigg? |
| 17:35.48 | mbuf | prpplague, hold on, need to set it up |
| 17:35.52 | philv | Skylark is working on h00lyshit for PPC 8) |
| 17:36.54 | prpplague | philv: hehe |
| 17:38.28 | philv | The thing is a bloody PowerQUICC |
| 17:38.32 | philv | It's a very hackable device |
| 17:38.35 | philv | :D |
| 17:39.15 | mbuf | prpplague, it is similar to oscilloscope, and connected like a USB snooper; one end to the host controller and the other to the device to observe USB bus signals |
| 17:39.32 | jbevren | mbuf: ah, a protocol monitor |
| 17:39.37 | prpplague | mbuf: ahh |
| 17:39.46 | prpplague | i need a good usb sniffer myself |
| 17:39.52 | mbuf | prpplague, USBmon ? |
| 17:40.08 | mbuf | it doesn't monitor protocols, it is more for analog signal analysis, like logical analyzer |
| 17:40.09 | prpplague | mbuf: more hardware oriented |
| 17:40.18 | prpplague | mbuf: oh ok |
| 17:40.31 | mbuf | just finished the USB test modes packet generation tests |
| 17:40.34 | prpplague | mbuf: i.e. checking for noise and logic issues? |
| 17:40.45 | prpplague | mbuf: ahh |
| 17:42.17 | mbuf | prpplague, http://www.linux-usb.org/USBMon/ ; i have not tried it yet |
| 17:43.11 | prpplague | mbuf: sorry i meant for the usb jigg |
| 17:43.43 | mbuf | prpplague, ok, i think it is quite expensive, even in the US |
| 17:46.56 | isenbeck | prpplague, does this site come up broken to you ? http://www.fastcomm.com/ |
| 17:47.35 | mbuf | prpplague, there is nothing in /proc/driver, using 2.4.18 on littlechips board, RTC is enabled in the kernel, s3c-rtc.o driver |
| 17:49.11 | prpplague | mbuf: thats odd |
| 17:49.24 | prpplague | mbuf: you sure you have the s3c2410 rtc enabled? |
| 17:49.34 | prpplague | isenbeck: yea |
| 17:49.44 | mbuf | prpplague, yes |
| 17:49.49 | prpplague | mbuf: ok thanks anyway |
| 17:50.12 | mbuf | prpplague, want to try in 2.6 ? |
| 17:50.38 | prpplague | mbuf: doh, i didn't read well, yea, i thought you said 2.6.18 |
| 17:50.45 | prpplague | mbuf: you are still using 2.4? |
| 17:50.49 | prpplague | mbuf: thats old old |
| 17:51.24 | mbuf | prpplague, i have both; our production environment uses both 2.4 and 2.6; so i keep 2.4 for testing at home |
| 17:51.36 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:51.45 | prpplague | mbuf: yea if you can check the 2.6 kernel |
| 17:53.24 | mbuf | prpplague, hold on |
| 17:59.59 | mbuf | prpplague, http://pastebin.ca/210352 |
| 18:00.36 | mbuf | but what is the difference between RTC and watchdog? both generate periodic interrupts and have alarms |
| 18:01.01 | prpplague | mbuf: you making any calls to hwclock during your init of the system? |
| 18:01.41 | mbuf | prpplague, and where do i check that ? |
| 18:02.19 | prpplague | mbuf: you'd have to just looking in your start up scripts, anything related to setting the date/time |
| 18:02.47 | mbuf | prpplague, ohh, /etc/init.d ? |
| 18:02.58 | prpplague | possibly |
| 18:03.31 | prpplague | those are some odd values for the rtc, i'm just curious where they are getting set |
| 18:03.41 | prpplague | mbuf: i suspect that its probably being done in uboot |
| 18:04.07 | mbuf | prpplague, "Setting System Clock |
| 18:04.45 | mbuf | prpplague, "Thursday Mar 13 09:50:08 UTC 2003" |
| 18:05.18 | prpplague | mbuf: ahh where did you see that? |
| 18:05.41 | mbuf | prpplague, its there in Linux kernel bootup message, checking in /etc/ |
| 18:06.09 | prpplague | mbuf: which kernel are you using? |
| 18:06.37 | mbuf | prpplague, ok /etc/init.d/rc.local invokes /usr/bin/setclock before calling /bin/date; 2.6.13.2 |
| 18:07.20 | prpplague | is "setclock" a binary or script? |
| 18:09.17 | mbuf | prpplague, binary, 16128 bytes, this was provided by Dick when he was testing USB gadget |
| 18:12.01 | mbuf | there is also another utility, set_rtc in /usr/sbin |
| 18:12.06 | mbuf | it is again a binary |
| 18:13.21 | prpplague | yea, those aren't needed |
| 18:13.33 | prpplague | mbuf: you can do all of those with the hwclock applet from busybox |
| 18:14.01 | mbuf | prpplague, busybox version in this image is 1.1.0 |
| 18:14.20 | mbuf | prpplague, which package contains these date, setclock utilities ? |
| 18:14.48 | prpplague | mbuf: busybox has had the hwclock applet for a long time |
| 18:14.54 | mbuf | prpplague, i see |
| 18:15.18 | prpplague | mbuf: just need to enable it in your busybox build |
| 18:15.31 | mbuf | prpplague, i have never worked with time critical applications, hence haven't used watchdog or RTC |
| 18:15.33 | mbuf | prpplague, right |
| 18:15.58 | prpplague | mbuf: you already have it on your busybox build |
| 18:16.20 | mbuf | ok |
| 18:16.54 | prpplague | mbuf: hehe, those clock binaries appear to be nothing more that the devmem2.c hardcoded for the rtc address space |
| 18:17.24 | prpplague | mbuf: hehe, pester "Dick" and tell him those aren't needed, use hwclock instead |
| 18:19.48 | mbuf | prpplague, well i ain't using it anyway |
| 18:20.26 | prpplague | mbuf: hehe, just adds extra rootfs space when you use the utilities that are already available |
| 18:20.53 | mbuf | prpplague, true |
| 18:21.15 | mbuf | prpplague, now that I have NFS, i wouldn't worry about ramdisk |
| 18:21.45 | prpplague | mbuf: hehe, yea, but some day you'll have to go with a completed project and need the flash space |
| 18:22.32 | mbuf | prpplague, ohh yeah, that sucks, most boards that i use have very limited flash memory; of course drivers don't take much space, rootfs and utilites do |
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| 18:28.27 | prpplague | mbuf: i personally believe since the rtc register values aren't set on reset, i think the rtc should be set very close to the initial bootloader startup to some default value |
| 18:28.30 | prpplague | sjhill: hey hey |
| 18:28.45 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 18:29.31 | mbuf | prpplague, u-boot does print the date as 2003, but, Linux kernel re-initializes RTC on boot, I guess |
| 18:29.53 | prpplague | mbuf: no, uboot and the kernel current do not init the rtc |
| 18:30.19 | prpplague | mbuf: thats why Dick is using his setclock binary to set the time |
| 18:30.27 | mbuf | prpplague, so what is read from hwclock and setclock ? |
| 18:30.41 | mbuf | ok |
| 18:32.47 | prpplague | sjhill: http://tinyurl.com/yz6xdq |
| 18:33.09 | prpplague | sjhill: just bought a couple of those, gonna gut them and shove some s3c2410 boards into them |
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| 18:49.05 | mbuf | i'm off now guyz, catch you later |
| 19:06.12 | jbevren | http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk/VAX%208600.JPG |
| 19:06.13 | jbevren | wee |
| 19:08.35 | chouimat | nice :) |
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