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| 00:41.41 | LyosNorezel | hey prpplague |
| 00:43.47 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: hey |
| 00:44.28 | LyosNorezel | how goes it? |
| 00:45.09 | prpplague | ssdd |
| 00:45.24 | prpplague | battling usb winblows drivers today :( |
| 00:46.00 | LyosNorezel | that sucks |
| 00:46.28 | MonMotha | prpplague: do you have a transcript of what windows is saying to the device and what the device is responding with? |
| 00:46.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: not as of yet, i had some other tests to do |
| 00:46.52 | prpplague | MonMotha: will have it tomorrow mid day |
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| 01:16.41 | CP|Home | yodles |
| 01:16.43 | CP|Home | prpplague: ping |
| 01:21.22 | prpplague | CP|Home: pong |
| 01:22.31 | CP|Home | prpplague: I just bought a new server, and adding it to my downstairs power circuit is tripping my 15A circuit |
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| 01:22.44 | prpplague | CP|Home: doh |
| 01:22.47 | CP|Home | if I get an UPS that I am reasonably sure has enough VA to support both servers, is that a suitable solution? |
| 01:22.58 | prpplague | naq |
| 01:23.00 | prpplague | naw |
| 01:23.26 | prpplague | CP|Home: gonna have to move something off the 15A circuit |
| 01:23.31 | prpplague | CP|Home: way too dangerous |
| 01:23.31 | CP|Home | nothing to move |
| 01:23.52 | CP|Home | 1 monitor, two servers, a switch, the DSL modem |
| 01:23.53 | prpplague | CP|Home: the outlets for the server are the only thing on the circuit? |
| 01:24.00 | philv | Time to run a new circuit |
| 01:24.16 | prpplague | CP|Home: sounds fishy to me |
| 01:24.28 | prpplague | CP|Home: that shouldn't be more than 15A |
| 01:25.14 | philv | Unless that switch is a catalyst 7600 or something ;))) |
| 01:25.25 | prpplague | CP|Home: how often is it through the breaker? |
| 01:25.30 | prpplague | throwing |
| 01:25.51 | CP|Home | when I plug in the new server, every time |
| 01:26.03 | CP|Home | pentium 4 1u |
| 01:26.33 | prpplague | CP|Home: hmm |
| 01:26.35 | CP|Home | It is a GFI circuit |
| 01:26.40 | prpplague | CP|Home: OH |
| 01:26.47 | CP|Home | but its popping at the circuit box |
| 01:26.56 | philv | hm |
| 01:27.11 | MonMotha | there's almost no way that's a 15A load |
| 01:27.14 | prpplague | CP|Home: yea you can't use the GFI for that |
| 01:27.31 | CP|Home | so the GFI can't handle a 15A load? |
| 01:27.38 | MonMotha | GFI may have issues with leakage from the SMPS in the equipment |
| 01:27.42 | prpplague | CP|Home: the GFI are design to pop with very small current draw |
| 01:27.54 | MonMotha | they have some leakage to ground through the power factor correction stuff usually |
| 01:28.00 | MonMotha | enough to trip a GFI in some cases |
| 01:28.08 | CP|Home | would the UPS help? |
| 01:28.21 | prpplague | CP|Home: its something you would use in your bathroom incase you drop your hairdry in the water |
| 01:28.25 | MonMotha | not likely |
| 01:28.27 | CP|Home | I know what a GFI is |
| 01:28.43 | MonMotha | GFIs work by comparing hot current to neutral current and making sure that the magnitude is about the same |
| 01:28.48 | CP|Home | I don't understand why a 15A GFI loop can't actually handle 15A |
| 01:29.16 | MonMotha | it'll handle 15A, as long as there is no leakage to ground and near-unity PF |
| 01:29.33 | MonMotha | switching power supplies often have some leakage and a non-unity PF |
| 01:29.42 | CP|Home | ok - fair enough |
| 01:29.58 | MonMotha | that said, while you're rewiring, put in 240 :) |
| 01:30.11 | CP|Home | Unlikely to be re-wiring unfortunately |
| 01:30.13 | CP|Home | not for a while |
| 01:30.13 | prpplague | CP|Home: most major appliances that run on 110 can't be used with GFI outlets |
| 01:30.22 | prpplague | MonMotha: new house |
| 01:30.35 | prpplague | CP|Home: less than 2 years right? |
| 01:30.38 | CP|Home | yeah |
| 01:30.45 | CP|Home | I'll re-wire when I finish the basement |
| 01:30.49 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:30.57 | prpplague | CP|Home: replace with a standard outlet and you'll be fine |
| 01:31.07 | CP|Home | the outlet is standard |
| 01:31.16 | prpplague | hehe, non-GFI |
| 01:31.32 | davidc__ | CP|Home: then just change the breaker |
| 01:31.35 | davidc__ | pretty simple |
| 01:31.38 | MonMotha | is this a GFI breaker? |
| 01:31.55 | CP|Home | yeah |
| 01:32.07 | MonMotha | that's why it's tripping at the breaker then |
| 01:32.08 | prpplague | ahh |
| 01:32.11 | CP|Home | I can't and don't want to change the breaker becuase of the remote risk that the basement will flood |
| 01:32.13 | MonMotha | is there a reason for it to be a GFI? |
| 01:32.15 | philv | For the basement? Are you in a flood zone or something |
| 01:32.24 | MonMotha | philv: IIRC, it's required by the NEC |
| 01:32.35 | MonMotha | kitchens, bathrooms, unfinished basements |
| 01:32.39 | CP|Home | high clay area |
| 01:32.50 | philv | Nippon Electric Corporation? |
| 01:33.01 | CP|Home | we have a french drain around the house, goes into a sump pump |
| 01:33.16 | CP|Home | Freak combination of a 100 year rain storm + power going out could cause flooding |
| 01:33.37 | prpplague | CP|Home: hmm thats gonna be tricky, you make have to replace it with a higher ampage, like a 20A |
| 01:34.11 | MonMotha | don't do that unless they used 12ga or bigger for that circuit, and they probably didn't |
| 01:34.56 | prpplague | with the extra sensitivity with the GFI it'd be fine |
| 01:34.59 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:35.28 | chouimat | hey!!!! btw cognac caramelised oinons in a burger is goooood :) |
| 01:35.41 | prpplague | chouimat: thanks for the note |
| 01:35.48 | chouimat | prpplague: ;) |
| 01:36.03 | prpplague | CP|Home: well.... you are up a creek with this one |
| 01:36.18 | chouimat | prpplague: they give a little something |
| 01:36.55 | MonMotha | prpplague: likely true, but against code |
| 01:37.11 | prpplague | CP|Home: i think you are probably right that in this case, you probably could use a good UPS to solve it |
| 01:37.27 | prpplague | CP|Home: it might take enought of the leakage off the GFI to do the trick |
| 01:38.09 | prpplague | CP|Home: the power output from the UPS is isolated from the main circuit |
| 01:38.24 | prpplague | CP|Home: so it would probably be ok, even a smaller UPS |
| 01:40.22 | MonMotha | bah, you need a 1MVA UPS :) |
| 01:40.30 | prpplague | CP|Home: are you using a surge protector now? |
| 01:40.52 | MonMotha | I took a look at the transformer behind RHIT where our hookup to the power co is...1000kVA. That's kinda scary |
| 01:40.57 | CP|Home | yeah |
| 01:41.25 | MonMotha | small school with a 1MVA hookup? yaeh... |
| 01:42.14 | prpplague | CP|Home: hmm, the page i'm reading says that using surge protectors with GFI ciruits can cause the GFI to trip |
| 01:43.14 | prpplague | CP|Home: if the surge protector is shunting even the slightest amount to ground, it would trip the GFI |
| 01:43.59 | MonMotha | that is the point of the GFI, after all |
| 01:44.28 | CP|Home | possibly so |
| 01:44.31 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:44.41 | MonMotha | I've not had problems in that regard |
| 01:44.48 | MonMotha | GFI breakers tend to be a little less pikcy |
| 01:44.48 | prpplague | http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/office/galetzka/GFI.html |
| 01:45.29 | CP|Home | I'll stick the UPS on there and see what happens |
| 01:46.28 | prpplague | CP|Home: interesting problem though |
| 01:46.39 | prpplague | CP|Home: got me thinking this evening :P |
| 01:47.35 | prpplague | CP|Home: have you tried it without the surge protector? |
| 01:47.39 | MonMotha | wow, lots of HD commercials |
| 01:47.44 | CP|Home | don't have enough outlets |
| 01:47.50 | CP|Home | 2 outlets, 4 devices |
| 01:48.08 | prpplague | CP|Home: hehe, just to see if it powers on |
| 01:48.34 | CP|Home | I did use a fairly el-cheepo surge protector down there |
| 01:48.41 | CP|Home | just whatever I had laying about |
| 01:49.42 | MonMotha | there are other kinds? |
| 01:49.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:50.09 | CP|Home | I have a nice one upstairs |
| 01:50.35 | prpplague | i'd be curious to see if it powers up without the surge protector |
| 01:51.28 | CP|Home | you mean just the new server? |
| 01:51.37 | CP|Home | I could probably do that pretty easily |
| 01:52.09 | CP|Home | I'm on the OLPC status call right now, but I'll try it right after |
| 01:52.17 | CP|Home | if I drop off the network, you'll know it didn't... :) |
| 01:53.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:53.15 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 01:57.46 | prpplague | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1155237,00.asp |
| 01:58.09 | prpplague | CP|Home: looks like alot of the cheap surge protectors can leak alot to ground as they get older |
| 01:58.43 | CP|Home | bastards! |
| 01:58.48 | CP|Home | so the greater the load, the more leakage |
| 01:58.49 | CP|Home | and boom |
| 01:58.52 | CP|Home | makes sense |
| 01:59.12 | prpplague | learn something new every day |
| 01:59.32 | CP|Home | I'm going to try the UPS |
| 01:59.58 | prpplague | CP|Home: why not try licking the outlet first? |
| 02:00.02 | CP|Home | heh |
| 02:00.21 | CP|Home | I'll get a new surge protector down there |
| 02:00.21 | CP|Home | hmmm... hold on |
| 02:00.38 | CP|Home | I totally forgot that the security was on that line too |
| 02:00.46 | CP|Home | sigh |
| 02:00.56 | CP|Home | sigh sigh |
| 02:01.22 | CP|Home | its got to be tripping due to load |
| 02:01.40 | CP|Home | I'll try a UPS and a new surge supressor, but I'm not optimistic |
| 02:02.53 | prpplague | CP|Home: doh |
| 02:03.34 | CP|Home | I guess I can put the server upstairs |
| 02:04.15 | CP|Home | but I don't have a third monitor |
| 02:04.22 | prpplague | CP|Home: yea, i'm sure you can put it on your wife's night stand, she won't mind |
| 02:04.28 | CP|Home | so if the sucker goes down, I'm kind of stuck |
| 02:05.08 | prpplague | CP|Home: serial console? |
| 02:05.46 | CP|Home | yeah, I'll have to set that up |
| 02:06.34 | prpplague | CP|Home: pick up an old laptop from ebay for $25 and wire it up as the serial console |
| 02:10.36 | prpplague | anyone used phpwiki? |
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| 03:06.57 | CP|Home | So - with the UPS the server(s) come up |
| 03:07.16 | CP|Home | but when I hard reset the new server with the power button, it tripped the breaker |
| 03:07.30 | CP|Home | but I'm hoping because that leaked something to ground as it was going down / coming up |
| 03:08.23 | CP|Home | I'm a bit nervous about it - I hope the UPS doesn't overheat or something silly like that |
| 03:09.58 | MonMotha | those would have to be some huge servers and switches to constitute a 15A load on their own |
| 03:10.08 | MonMotha | is it possible that there are other things on that circuit you don't know about? |
| 03:10.49 | MonMotha | most security systems have negligible draw |
| 03:11.43 | CP|Home | it should be exactly |
| 03:11.48 | CP|Home | 1) DSL modem |
| 03:12.00 | CP|Home | 2) el-cheepo switch |
| 03:12.15 | CP|Home | Its a rank-mount with 16 ports, but of unknown origin |
| 03:12.26 | CP|Home | certainly nothing impressive |
| 03:12.34 | CP|Home | 3) old Micron monitor, circa 1994 |
| 03:12.43 | CP|Home | 4) 1 Pentium 3 server |
| 03:12.48 | CP|Home | 5) 1 Pentium 4 server |
| 03:12.52 | CP|Home | 6) 1 security system |
| 03:13.01 | CP|Home | 7) a sump pump that never runs |
| 03:13.08 | CP|Home | 8) two 100w light bulbs |
| 03:13.15 | CP|Home | Thats the list |
| 03:23.02 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 03:25.43 | MonMotha | CP|Home: well, the P4 is probably drawing the most, followed by the P3, then the light bulbs, then the switch, and then the DSL and security |
| 03:25.47 | MonMotha | assuming the sump pump isn't running |
| 03:26.14 | davidc__ | those 100W light bulbs draw ~0.8A each |
| 03:26.40 | davidc__ | I could see getting 15 A from that |
| 03:26.52 | MonMotha | depends on how big the servers are |
| 03:27.21 | davidc__ | ya.... I have a 700w ps in one of my servers.. but I doubt CP has that :P |
| 03:27.35 | MonMotha | doesn't mean it draws 700W |
| 03:28.00 | davidc__ | nah, course not... eh, I suspect it gets close when all 9 hd's spinup :P |
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| 03:28.10 | MonMotha | P4s are hogs, though, and if you stack enough HDDs in there, you could get some serious draw |
| 03:28.14 | davidc__ | the voltage rails start to sag which makes me suspect its getting near its limit :P |
| 03:28.17 | MonMotha | well, yes. Inrush is going to be big |
| 03:28.34 | davidc__ | yea.. which could be why it trips on hard reset |
| 03:28.39 | davidc__ | all those hds spinning up |
| 03:28.44 | MonMotha | yes |
| 03:28.50 | davidc__ | it being his server |
| 03:29.25 | CP|Home | just 1 HD |
| 03:30.07 | CP|Home | lemme get lm_sensors up and lets see what we can see |
| 03:51.41 | CP|Home | wel - nothing out of the ordinary |
| 03:52.22 | CP|Home | not that the lmsensors would tell me anything but strange twidderings on the rails |
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| 13:30.53 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:31.18 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 13:32.15 | wmat | morn |
| 13:32.24 | prpplague | greetings |
| 13:33.29 | prpplague | ~slashdot |
| 13:34.26 | prpplague | "If Not America, Then Where?" , all i have to say is, not barbados, and they should try living outside america for a few months first |
| 13:35.55 | chouimat | prpplague: I was in europe a few months and it wasn't bad :) |
| 13:46.21 | wmat | prpplague: how about canada ;) |
| 13:46.51 | prpplague | wmat: i'd say canada would be nice, if i could keep my guns |
| 13:46.53 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 13:47.17 | chouimat | prpplague: no you won't be able in theory ... in practice it's something else :) |
| 13:47.40 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, well, i'm a law abiding person, hehe |
| 13:48.08 | prpplague | chouimat: "in practice it's something else" thats why gun laws generally don't work |
| 13:48.35 | chouimat | prpplague: then you just ask for a licence and take the mandatory course and you will be ok |
| 13:49.14 | prpplague | wmat: funny thing is, neither my wife or i are canadian citizens, but we could be residents there in just 45 days, whereas i'm a US citizen and we've been trying to get my wife to the US for almost 2 years |
| 13:49.38 | wmat | prpplague: you can keep your guns here |
| 13:49.45 | chouimat | prpplague: the only thing we can do is make it a lot harder to get one which is ok, and once in a while a moron will pass through the system and go shoot people for the fun of it (this part will be hard to prevent) |
| 13:50.01 | prpplague | chouimat: don't they have restrictions on the number and type of guns? |
| 13:50.13 | wmat | type, yes |
| 13:50.17 | wmat | number, i don't think so |
| 13:50.24 | chouimat | prpplague: yes it's why I told you to get the mandatory class :) |
| 13:50.34 | prpplague | wmat: what are the type restrictions? |
| 13:50.41 | wmat | but no citizen needs a 50 mm fully automatic weapon anyway ;) |
| 13:51.01 | prpplague | wmat: fully automatic, no |
| 13:51.24 | wmat | heh |
| 13:53.07 | chouimat | prpplague: semi automatic and handgun are restricted ... you can only go from your house to the shooting field with it ... elsewhere you need a police authorisation |
| 13:53.27 | prpplague | bummer |
| 13:53.46 | prpplague | kind of defeats the purpose of having it, imho |
| 13:54.16 | chouimat | prpplague: some want to force you to keep those at the shooting club ... |
| 13:54.42 | prpplague | wmat: http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn03-e.htm |
| 13:54.45 | prpplague | wmat: i have a m95 |
| 13:55.01 | chouimat | prpplague: it's a choice we made as a society in canada ... and it seems to work somewhat well (less murder and shooting) |
| 13:55.27 | chouimat | prpplague: granted it's not perfect |
| 13:55.44 | chouimat | but what is perfect in this world except maybe winblows :) |
| 13:55.48 | wmat | prpplague: what do you do with that gun? target shooting or something? |
| 13:56.01 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, its a culture thing, i've realized that when i moved to barbados |
| 13:56.13 | prpplague | wmat: hehe, just target shooting |
| 13:56.39 | wmat | so long as the targets aren't people, that's reasonable ;) |
| 13:56.40 | chouimat | wmat: to be able to defend himself if the king of england decide to invade ;) |
| 13:56.53 | prpplague | barbados sucks |
| 13:56.57 | wmat | really? |
| 13:57.02 | prpplague | oh yea |
| 13:57.11 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe yea |
| 13:57.16 | wmat | i've only vacationed there, so my opinion is clouded by Banks beer hangovers |
| 13:57.29 | prpplague | hehe, yea |
| 13:58.04 | prpplague | wmat: when you only have a choice of 3 largers and 3 stouts, thats a "Bad Thing (c)" |
| 13:58.24 | chouimat | prpplague: yes |
| 13:58.59 | prpplague | wmat: when there is a 500% duty on techincal books , thats a "Bad Thing (c)" |
| 13:59.32 | chouimat | prpplague: and life must be pretty slow there |
| 13:59.33 | prpplague | wmat: when you have to wait 2 months for things to clear customs, thats a "Bad Thing (c)" |
| 13:59.43 | prpplague | chouimat: yea |
| 14:00.02 | prpplague | chouimat: most of the locals just sit on their porch for the weekend |
| 14:00.08 | prpplague | chouimat: the entire weekend |
| 14:00.23 | prpplague | chouimat: and they never question anything |
| 14:01.20 | chouimat | prpplague: sound like some place in Eastern Quebec ... in summer they sit on the porch and watch cars passing on the road ... Why do you think I stayed 10 years in Quebec City and now I'm staying in Ottawa ... I wanted to something else of my life ;) |
| 14:01.33 | prpplague | chouimat: yea |
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| 14:02.08 | chouimat | prpplague: and being a lumberjack or a trucker or something else like this never interested me |
| 14:02.12 | prpplague | chouimat: dead serious, there are people on the island that have NEVER been more than 5kilometers from their house |
| 14:03.54 | chouimat | prpplague: this sound like europe ... when my mother was in Switzerland (the country is about 250-260 km wide) she told her she was going every week or 2 to see me, my brother or sister in Quebec City (about 140 km away) ... so they asked her if she was staying for the week, she told her no just the day ... and they looked at her like she was crazy |
| 14:04.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:05.41 | chouimat | prpplague: quebec city - montreal about 250km a lot of people do the round trip in a day .... same thing for ottawa - montreal ... I even did La Pocatiere - Ottawa round trip in a day ( about 580 km each way) |
| 14:06.31 | chouimat | was long and boring :) |
| 14:06.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:07.36 | prpplague | chouimat: i can drive from my home town, longview,tx to dallas,tx on I-20, which doesn't change direction more than 1/2 a degree |
| 14:07.47 | prpplague | chouimat: for almost 200 miles |
| 14:08.09 | chouimat | prpplague: and you want to kill for a hill or something |
| 14:08.44 | prpplague | chouimat: ? |
| 14:08.59 | chouimat | prpplague: I mean a change somewhere along the way |
| 14:09.45 | prpplague | chouimat: oh, no i like it, hehe |
| 14:09.57 | prpplague | chouimat: you can almost put the cruise control on and go to sleep, hehe |
| 14:10.00 | chouimat | prpplague: http://www.electionsquebec.qc.ca/en/nouvelleDetail.asp?id=2152&typeN=2 |
| 14:10.38 | prpplague | interesting |
| 14:11.27 | chouimat | prpplague: and then you get up decide you want a coffee and the road turn , you destroy your brand new Wenebago ... then sue them because they didn't put in the user manual " that you can't leave the wheel when you put the cruise control" :) |
| 14:11.40 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:11.52 | wmat | prpplague: 500% duty on tech books! |
| 14:12.11 | prpplague | wmat: yea |
| 14:12.52 | prpplague | wmat: get this, the owners of Banks Brewery are also in parliment, they've passed some laws for the import of beer(not wine or other liquor) |
| 14:13.35 | prpplague | wmat: so to import beer, you have to first have a license, problem is there are only 10 licenses available for all of beer/wine/liquor imports |
| 14:13.51 | wmat | haha |
| 14:13.54 | prpplague | wmat: (guess how many are owned by companies with relatives to the banks brewery) |
| 14:14.01 | chouimat | prpplague: when they "tested" the system it took more time with the electronic voting system |
| 14:14.20 | wmat | prpplague: you must read a lot of pirated books |
| 14:14.35 | wmat | I wouldn't buy any tech books at that ridiculous duty rate |
| 14:14.38 | chouimat | prpplague: bittorrent is a good source of ebooks ;) |
| 14:14.40 | prpplague | wmat: so even if you were willing to pay one of these licenses to import the beer, the bottle has to be labled properly for barbados |
| 14:15.00 | prpplague | wmat: which means that no one outside of the carib have the proper label |
| 14:15.10 | prpplague | wmat: which means no one wants to pay to do the label |
| 14:15.15 | prpplague | wmat: so no beer |
| 14:15.32 | chouimat | prpplague: so they made it impossible to import them too ... wise guys ;) |
| 14:15.44 | prpplague | wmat: plus, if you get caught bringing in beer from overseas, its a $500usd per 12ounces |
| 14:15.52 | prpplague | chouimat: yep |
| 14:16.15 | wmat | why are you there? |
| 14:16.20 | prpplague | wmat: yea, i usually bringing them in from the states in my suitcase |
| 14:16.35 | chouimat | wmat: love is blind ;) |
| 14:16.37 | prpplague | wmat: my wife is from barbados, we've been working on her immigration visa to the states |
| 14:16.46 | prpplague | wmat: we just got it after 19 months |
| 14:16.46 | wmat | ah |
| 14:17.00 | prpplague | wmat: will be moving back in a month or so |
| 14:17.10 | wmat | a good friend of mine is originally from st. anne's (i think) |
| 14:17.15 | prpplague | wmat: its been hell with immigration |
| 14:17.22 | wmat | the town by the almond bech club |
| 14:17.43 | prpplague | yea i know where almond beach is, don't make it to that area much though |
| 14:19.26 | prpplague | wmat: less than 40% of the roads here have names or designations |
| 14:19.59 | prpplague | wmat: customer service is non existant |
| 14:20.30 | prpplague | wmat: hehe, there are only about 1100 caucasian men resident on the island |
| 14:20.40 | prpplague | wmat: and about 2400 caucasian women |
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| 14:28.26 | chouimat|ibook | hmmm |
| 14:34.08 | prpplague | http://central.k12.or.us/Departments/TechnologyDepartment/TechNews/tabid/97/EntryID/12/Default.aspx |
| 14:34.10 | prpplague | cute hack |
| 14:34.29 | prpplague | would have been better with a 4.5 recharble or some watch batteries |
| 14:34.44 | prpplague | and have a push button for power to do the test |
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| 14:39.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ho ho ho, merry freakin hump day |
| 14:41.31 | CosmicPenguin | hey |
| 14:41.43 | chouimat|ibook | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 14:43.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats the rule when you have a new device and it isn't working like it should? |
| 14:43.36 | CosmicPenguin | light it on fire? |
| 14:46.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: blame the hardware |
| 14:46.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: gonna try the UPS tonight? |
| 14:47.00 | CosmicPenguin | I tried it last night |
| 14:47.05 | CosmicPenguin | seems to work |
| 14:47.13 | prpplague | oh cool |
| 14:47.22 | CosmicPenguin | I did manage to trip the thing with a hard reset on the power button on the new server |
| 14:47.58 | CosmicPenguin | But its possible that the reset did a big spike or was noisy to ground or something |
| 14:48.26 | CosmicPenguin | I'm going to research and see if there are any ways I can put a conditioner or something on the line to limit that |
| 14:48.41 | CosmicPenguin | The UPS I have is only 700VA - I'm thinking about getting a bigger one |
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| 15:03.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you used phpwiki before? |
| 15:03.40 | CosmicPenguin | nope |
| 15:03.43 | CosmicPenguin | well - maybe |
| 15:03.47 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:03.48 | CosmicPenguin | I can't remember |
| 15:04.27 | prpplague | hehe, thats generally how i respond when someone asks if have a personality |
| 15:07.28 | prpplague | jbevren: hey did you get that kodak camera working via the rs-232 interface? |
| 15:08.14 | jbevren | no, Ive been tootling with other things |
| 15:08.53 | prpplague | oh ok, but you found the docs on the protocol? |
| 15:09.05 | jbevren | just the one I linked you to |
| 15:09.18 | jbevren | the picture data's format is unknown afaik |
| 15:09.23 | jbevren | somehow compressed or encrypted |
| 15:09.29 | prpplague | jbevren: oh |
| 15:09.33 | jbevren | although I cant imagine it'd be too complex, cause they use an AVR |
| 15:10.26 | chouimat|ibook | it seems the phone is ok and I'm the one mistaken ... |
| 15:12.00 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:12.52 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: if they can use properly the phone book ... imagine them with a computer |
| 15:13.00 | chouimat|ibook | s/can/can't |
| 15:15.46 | MonMotha | jbevren: which AVR? There are AVRs with built in crypto acceleration |
| 15:15.51 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: and she called 5 times ... and each time it was the same ... brb she's calling again :( |
| 15:17.54 | jbevren | Hm |
| 15:17.59 | jbevren | MonMotha: let me see if I can find the pcb |
| 15:18.33 | jbevren | MonMotha: IC list: |
| 15:19.31 | jbevren | AT90S8515 M116416256 (ram?) altera cpld |
| 15:19.43 | jbevren | the cpld appears to handle the ram and camera |
| 15:21.37 | MonMotha | hum, an older AVR |
| 15:22.17 | MonMotha | that one definately does not have crypto acceleration |
| 15:22.49 | MonMotha | though AVRs are pretty fast. You can run DES and AES on them in software at reasonable speeds |
| 15:22.49 | MonMotha | more than likely, it's just in an unknown format |
| 15:22.51 | MonMotha | how big is the image data? |
| 15:23.25 | jbevren | prpplague: do you still have that link? |
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| 15:36.19 | CosmicPenguin | gotta buy a new AC adapter |
| 15:36.23 | CosmicPenguin | the puppy strikes again |
| 15:43.36 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: 8 times now :( |
| 15:43.55 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: hehe |
| 15:43.57 | prpplague | jbevren: sorry no |
| 15:52.35 | prpplague | T0mW: hey hey |
| 15:52.42 | T0mW | prpplague: good morning |
| 15:52.42 | prpplague | T0mW: you grab the enc28j60 code? |
| 15:52.49 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm gonna be working on it again next week |
| 15:52.56 | T0mW | prpplague: naw, other stuff to do yet |
| 15:53.39 | T0mW | prpplague: now they want the linux to run an LCD + touchscreen, sounds like they got pricing on what an ARM dev system for WinCE would cost them. |
| 15:53.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:54.09 | T0mW | prpplague: too much sh!t to do and not enough time Dave |
| 15:54.24 | prpplague | T0mW: btdt |
| 15:54.24 | prpplague | T0mW: still doing that |
| 15:54.40 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, yeah I was just going to say that "on a continual basis" |
| 15:54.47 | prpplague | T0mW: been banging my head for a week with some usb issues turns out we had a hardware problem |
| 15:54.54 | T0mW | ow |
| 15:55.01 | T0mW | prpplague: who found it? |
| 15:55.28 | prpplague | T0mW: of all people, a sales guy |
| 15:55.33 | CosmicPenguin | its always a hardware problem |
| 15:55.41 | CosmicPenguin | the sooner you people understand that, the better off we will all be, mkay? |
| 15:55.54 | T0mW | prpplague: WOW, promote him into technical |
| 15:56.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:57.05 | prpplague | T0mW: naw, he just did enough testing to relize that it only happened under a certain condition |
| 15:57.16 | prpplague | T0mW: we looked at the hardware and found the problem |
| 15:57.43 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, the more info the better. Part of the problem is identifying where to look |
| 15:59.50 | T0mW | prpplague: I stopped work on the 2.6.17 kernel for the ln2410sbc when I had the basic stuff working. I thought that I did not need USB and touchscreen working for this project. |
| 15:59.51 | T0mW | :( |
| 16:00.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:00.50 | prpplague | T0mW: what are you gonna need the usb for? |
| 16:01.07 | T0mW | prpplague: USB Gadget and printer |
| 16:01.34 | prpplague | T0mW: so you'll do a usb host for the the printer |
| 16:01.41 | prpplague | T0mW: which usb gadget ? |
| 16:01.45 | T0mW | prpplague: USB Gadget to make it appear as a storage device, then they can upload new programs |
| 16:02.23 | prpplague | T0mW: just be aware, that the mass storage driver does not allow two seperate OS's to access the same fs |
| 16:02.53 | prpplague | T0mW: if you want it rw from the host, i.e. winblows laptop, it can only be RO on the linux side |
| 16:03.17 | T0mW | prpplague: it sounds to me like they want only one CPU in the system. We were going to have only one anyway. An S3C2410 linux cpu to run the SPI, an ethernet/PPP link and a postgresql database. |
| 16:04.06 | prpplague | hope you aren't loading the 2410 down too bad |
| 16:04.13 | T0mW | prpplague: then, the WinCE would be a "remote" Control Point. From there, a Windows program would query + join the SQL databases from all the remote units to display the system status. |
| 16:04.22 | prpplague | T0mW: you may have to look at going for the 2440 series |
| 16:04.46 | prpplague | T0mW: 2440 is 400mhz |
| 16:04.46 | T0mW | prpplague: well, by putting the LCD onto it as well and going into graphics mode, I think that the 2440 is what has to be used. |
| 16:05.11 | T0mW | prpplague: I was not counting on doing any user interface: touchscreen / LCD stuff. |
| 16:05.18 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 16:05.30 | prpplague | T0mW: well when you are ready for the gadget stuff give me a shout |
| 16:05.41 | prpplague | T0mW: the s3c2410_udc stuff isn't in the main tree yet |
| 16:05.54 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, still have to get one of the Slave Cards working so I can start with the SPI stuff |
| 16:06.19 | T0mW | prpplague: I have some 2410 gadget driver code |
| 16:06.34 | prpplague | T0mW: you gonna use the new spi subsystem or do direct access? |
| 16:06.41 | prpplague | T0mW: where did you get it from? |
| 16:08.20 | T0mW | prpplague: I'd like to use the new spi subsystem. Have multiple processes running, one for each SPI circuit. Then have them sit on a select() statement awaiting a signal (I/O input) to proceed to query them via the SPI Device Driver subsystem. This, hopefully, will prevent "hogging" of the SPI circuits. |
| 16:08.42 | T0mW | prpplague: use the task switch (scheduler) to avoid hogging |
| 16:08.48 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 16:09.02 | T0mW | prpplague: run the SPI at > 8MHz so the bursts are short. |
| 16:09.20 | T0mW | s/>/>= |
| 16:09.29 | prpplague | T0mW: well when you get ready to do it let me know, i'm still struggling with some aspects of the subsystem |
| 16:09.38 | T0mW | prpplague: nod |
| 16:10.09 | T0mW | prpplague: I have to get them to stop sending me "other" stuff that "needs" to be done |
| 16:10.13 | prpplague | T0mW: if you got the s3c2410_udc.c from littlechips, that version is very buggy |
| 16:10.40 | T0mW | prpplague: no, the 2.6.17 has 2410 gadget code already in it. |
| 16:10.47 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, just make sure you are documenting you time as to the fact you were pulled off for xxx project |
| 16:11.02 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, i don't think so.... |
| 16:11.23 | T0mW | prpplague: detailed invoicing + activity report every two weeks. |
| 16:11.48 | prpplague | T0mW: 2.6.18 has no s3c2410_udc.c |
| 16:14.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://newsvac.newsforge.com/newsvac/06/10/24/1219253.shtml |
| 16:15.20 | CosmicPenguin | what the hell? |
| 16:15.20 | CosmicPenguin | seesh |
| 16:15.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 16:15.35 | CosmicPenguin | I'm seriously in the wrong business |
| 16:15.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:15.45 | T0mW | prpplague: drivers/usb/gadget/gadget_chips.h and grep for 2410 |
| 16:16.04 | CosmicPenguin | I am jelous I can't tell people stuff they could figure out on their own and get paid for the privilge |
| 16:16.09 | prpplague | T0mW: yea the chip id is there but not the udc driver |
| 16:16.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 16:16.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was actually considering going to the ldd course, just to see if i could learn anything new |
| 16:17.11 | CosmicPenguin | How can it be any different then Greg KH's tutorial? |
| 16:17.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: a live person that can answer questions as you do it |
| 16:18.05 | CosmicPenguin | Greg does his presentation at least a half dozen times a year |
| 16:18.10 | T0mW | prpplague: well, looks like I'll have to write one then, eh? |
| 16:18.35 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, no thats why i said see me when you are ready, i have the latest version |
| 16:18.50 | T0mW | prpplague: good deal |
| 16:19.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, its only a couple hours long correct? |
| 16:20.32 | prpplague | T0mW: http://git.rtp-net.org/?p=h1940.git;a=blob;h=a9b91ed259f4fe0de381d1fe808fc22f086fc35a;hb=1b03dec91af20f55b97b2d5d4319754c72d048d9;f=drivers/usb/gadget/s3c2410_udc.c |
| 16:22.02 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, the HP1940 is very similar to the LN2410SBC |
| 16:25.54 | T0mW | prpplague: actually, there is where I got a lot of my kernel code. I threw away mbuf's stuff and started with a clean 2.6.17, then selectively used mbuf's ideas and the h1940 patches to build up my kernel tree. |
| 16:26.16 | T0mW | s/2.6.17/2.6.17.8/ |
| 16:26.23 | T0mW | bah |
| 16:27.18 | chouimat|ibook | http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20061024.html |
| 16:32.49 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 16:33.03 | prpplague | T0mW: is there money in data-diving? |
| 16:33.12 | T0mW | prpplague: HA! |
| 16:33.30 | T0mW | prpplague: lots of "atta boy"s |
| 16:34.04 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm still waiting for the era when "embedded linux developers" get hot women groupies like rock stars do |
| 16:34.19 | T0mW | prpplague: you know these open sourcers, they are cheap, they will spend hours and hours of time just to save a few bucks |
| 16:34.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:35.07 | prpplague | "no sir, you can not pay for a table dance with AOL cd's" |
| 16:35.15 | T0mW | heh |
| 16:35.29 | T0mW | lap-dance perhaps? |
| 16:35.50 | prpplague | ugly look more than likely |
| 16:36.19 | T0mW | prpplague: I recall the time I was in Cape Canaveral on a job and a buddy took me to my first lap dance joint... |
| 16:36.32 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:36.44 | prpplague | T0mW: mine was the day before my 21st birthday |
| 16:36.52 | T0mW | prpplague: all these pretty women kept coming up to me to ask me to dance, I told them "I can't dance", heh |
| 16:37.26 | T0mW | prpplague: then he pointed to the couples in the dark and said "Tom, they're dancing" |
| 16:37.38 | T0mW | LOL |
| 16:37.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:37.59 | prpplague | good one |
| 16:38.00 | T0mW | prpplague: WHOA! Heaven |
| 16:38.21 | T0mW | prpplague: I had no clue when I walked into the place |
| 16:38.54 | T0mW | prpplague: Tony was like that, if there were women around, he could sniff them out. |
| 16:39.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:39.39 | prpplague | T0mW: i've know guys like that |
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| 17:33.23 | prpplague | no frea |
| 17:33.36 | prpplague | no fresh milk on the island for almost 4 weeks now |
| 17:34.49 | CosmicPenguin | doh |
| 17:36.33 | prpplague | oh well, guess i'll just drink rum instead |
| 17:36.56 | CosmicPenguin | This could be the end of the pina colada as we know it! |
| 17:37.07 | prpplague | shipping containers from miami are coming in bad :( |
| 17:37.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they use condensed milk for those drinks here |
| 17:38.44 | prpplague | are there any restrictions on making winblows device drivers opensource? |
| 17:42.20 | prpplague | "It's one thing to share a pitcher of beer with co-workers at happy hour. It's quite another to show up at an interview with a bottle in your hand and finish it off in the reception area, as one brazen job seeker did." |
| 17:42.30 | prpplague | wow thats bold |
| 17:44.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wonder how some of fishhead's interviews went? hehe |
| 17:44.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: those must have been funny |
| 17:48.39 | wmat | prpplague: if it's your code, you can open source it however you see fit |
| 17:49.53 | prpplague | wmat: well m$ has had some strange restrictions as of late |
| 17:55.05 | wmat | prpplague: ah, well, i wouldn't know then |
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| 18:11.36 | LyosNorezel | hey prpplague |
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| 18:28.42 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: hey |
| 18:29.01 | LyosNorezel | how goes it? |
| 18:29.40 | prpplague | ssdd |
| 18:29.42 | prpplague | usb crap |
| 18:29.54 | chouimat|ibook | man I hate hardware designer who doesn't know anything about software development ... I'm supposed to be able to deliver a parser for a system for tomorrow ... |
| 18:31.03 | wmat | chouimat|ibook: good luck |
| 18:32.38 | chouimat|ibook | wmat: it's what happens when the project manager listens to the Virgin Mary instead of us |
| 18:32.58 | wmat | haha |
| 18:33.32 | wmat | you've just reminded me to start putting my ibook to some use |
| 18:33.38 | wmat | with your nick, that is |
| 18:34.13 | chouimat|ibook | wmat: hehe |
| 18:34.48 | chouimat|ibook | wmat: main desktop currently doing a nice emerge -e world ... compiling Qt with immqt instead of immqt-bc wasn't a good idea |
| 18:35.00 | wmat | heh |
| 18:35.27 | wmat | my old 700mhz iBook might run xubuntu well enough to actually use, i think |
| 18:35.40 | chouimat|ibook | wmat: and since I'm now sharing half of the risk of the project ... which mean I not getting paid ... only 50% of the profits so since I want the project to succeed I will take my time to understand what I have to implement and do it correctly ... I'm not Xandros :) |
| 18:36.38 | wmat | heh |
| 18:36.46 | wmat | didn't they just restructure or something |
| 18:37.14 | chouimat|ibook | wmat: I think so ... doesn't work for then since November 2004 so I don't care |
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| 18:37.39 | wmat | ah, i've never even seen a xendros desktop |
| 18:37.59 | chouimat|ibook | wmat: don't ... |
| 18:38.06 | chouimat|ibook | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jollyjake/278562314/ |
| 18:38.53 | LyosNorezel | heh |
| 18:49.26 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - foxytunes doesn't like the new firefox |
| 19:02.13 | prpplague | gee aint that nice of them |
| 19:06.27 | jbevren | hm |
| 19:06.32 | jbevren | greyscale cake |
| 19:06.56 | prpplague | jbevren: 16 bit ?? |
| 19:07.23 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:07.26 | jbevren | the IE cake |
| 19:07.33 | jbevren | prpplague: 16bit? (?) |
| 19:07.49 | prpplague | the greyscale cake |
| 19:07.53 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:07.59 | jbevren | isnt 16bit a little overboard for grey? |
| 19:08.12 | wmat | prpplague:I'd presume the opposite of a laxative actually; IE does slow things down, after all |
| 19:08.51 | wmat | but of course, the ingredients would be proprietary anyway, so we will never know |
| 19:17.08 | prpplague | wmat: could be made with that tasteless fiber additive i always see advertised |
| 19:17.29 | chouimat|ibook | lol |
| 19:18.47 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: ping |
| 19:19.23 | CosmicPenguin | man - I'm happy with google Reader |
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| 21:56.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: good evening |
| 21:57.11 | CosmicPenguin | yes? |
| 21:58.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just reading some of joel's interview tips |
| 21:58.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: interesting stuff |
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| 22:39.43 | philv | A good day is a day where you get Cadence Allegro legitimately for free |
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