| 00:13.16 | *** join/#edev FireEgl (i=FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.US) |
| 00:33.42 | *** join/#edev redb1ue (i=star@ppp185.111-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca) |
| 01:12.24 | *** part/#edev redb1ue (i=star@ppp185.111-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca) |
| 01:12.55 | *** join/#edev redblue (i=star@ppp185.111-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca) |
| 01:25.39 | *** join/#edev davidc__ (n=davidc@whthyt246-77.northwestel.net) |
| 02:06.25 | MonMotha | philv: wtf? |
| 02:06.33 | MonMotha | how'd you get Allegro for free? |
| 02:11.12 | *** join/#edev sjhill (n=sjhill@66.43.201.61) |
| 02:12.26 | philv | MonMotha: magic, of course |
| 02:12.33 | MonMotha | I see.. |
| 02:12.40 | MonMotha | I want a free copy of Allegro :) |
| 02:12.49 | MonMotha | heck, I'd settle for the old OrCAD suite |
| 02:13.11 | philv | Carleton's lab tech gave it to me... he and I are good friends. |
| 02:13.15 | philv | We go back a ways |
| 02:14.24 | MonMotha | damn... |
| 02:14.43 | philv | This is 12.3, and they're on 12.5 now or something |
| 02:14.48 | philv | So older version |
| 02:15.07 | philv | Obvously I can't use it for business-y purposes |
| 02:15.11 | philv | But I can use it for personal use :D |
| 02:15.46 | MonMotha | I currently have access to a good chunk of the cadence suite (down to the VLSI stuff if I go to a lab) for personal use, but I'd like to acquire my own copy |
| 02:15.59 | MonMotha | unfortunately, I can't afford their pricing scheme, which I've told is similar to Oracle's |
| 02:16.13 | MonMotha | i.e. "we hold you upside down, shake, and when money stops falling out, that's how much you pay" |
| 02:18.54 | philv | Heheh |
| 02:19.01 | philv | I'm just riding the academic curve |
| 02:19.06 | philv | We use all of it at work though. |
| 02:19.16 | philv | SO I could just Contivity in -> check out license 8) |
| 02:27.23 | MonMotha | that's what I do |
| 02:27.34 | MonMotha | I have the entire OrCAD suite and Allegro on my laptop |
| 02:27.40 | MonMotha | for the VLSI stuff I have to go to a lab |
| 02:27.52 | MonMotha | the VLSI stuff we actually have the Linux version of |
| 02:28.30 | philv | Yeah, everyone has RHEL (Opteron 2xx) or Slolaris (SPORK) |
| 02:28.34 | philv | Most people are RHEL now |
| 02:29.26 | MonMotha | unfortunately, they only have enough Linux licenses for the lab systems (and those don't have the board level stuff) |
| 02:29.36 | MonMotha | the rest of our stuff is Windows only :( |
| 02:29.53 | MonMotha | which is fun, because all that stuff is just the old Solaris code ported to Windows with a compatibility library |
| 02:30.07 | MonMotha | of course, the Linux versions are just the Windows version ported to Linux with something similar to winelib... |
| 02:30.12 | MonMotha | gogo wrappers on top of wrappers |
| 02:42.08 | philv | Haha |
| 02:42.12 | philv | This seems to be native |
| 02:42.24 | philv | Dunno about the Xilinx stuff though... I think it uses a wrapper that it is built against |
| 02:42.34 | MonMotha | the xilinx stuff is definately wrapped |
| 02:42.48 | MonMotha | the CDS stuff tends to be a mishmash of ancient code using multiple wrappers and native code |
| 02:43.07 | MonMotha | there are ways to get 15.2 to bring up Win3.1 style file selection dialogs! |
| 02:43.15 | sunrunner20 | yup |
| 02:43.26 | philv | Hahaha |
| 02:43.30 | sunrunner20 | ISE is java based |
| 02:43.31 | philv | A+ |
| 02:43.46 | philv | zuh, really? |
| 02:43.50 | MonMotha | ISE is Java, TCL, and C++ based :) |
| 02:43.52 | philv | I know it installs JRE |
| 02:43.59 | philv | Yeah |
| 02:44.04 | philv | I know there's a TCL interpreter in there |
| 02:44.10 | philv | par, xst run native |
| 02:44.12 | MonMotha | interestingly, that's the reason that you can't have spaces in file paths: they didn't quote their file path variables in their scripts |
| 02:44.39 | sunrunner20 | probally fixed by now |
| 02:44.44 | MonMotha | I wouldn't be surprised if the new ISE versions have C# in them :) |
| 02:44.45 | sunrunner20 | i'll ask dad if ya'll want |
| 02:45.00 | MonMotha | I go to Rose, we have the most recent Xilinx stuff :) |
| 02:45.06 | MonMotha | (the company was founded by a rose grad) |
| 02:45.23 | sunrunner20 | YES |
| 02:45.25 | MonMotha | I have not used the absolute most recent version |
| 02:45.34 | MonMotha | it's possible that they FINALLY fixed it |
| 02:45.38 | sunrunner20 | jostens said yes to using their photo |
| 02:45.49 | MonMotha | ? |
| 02:45.53 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 02:46.02 | sunrunner20 | jostens is the company that took my Sr. pictures |
| 02:46.03 | philv | I'm using 8.2i right now |
| 02:46.07 | philv | 8.2i is fantastic |
| 02:46.11 | philv | But the AMD64 installation for Linux is broken |
| 02:46.15 | philv | >:( |
| 02:46.23 | sunrunner20 | I want to use on of their photos on my company site |
| 02:46.36 | sunrunner20 | and they are letting me |
| 02:47.01 | MonMotha | the version I have for Linux is linked against glibc2.0 |
| 02:47.16 | MonMotha | it's so old that Debian doesn't have it packaged anymore! |
| 02:47.23 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 02:47.35 | MonMotha | it's not that old either, I think 7.0 |
| 02:48.03 | philv | 7.0 |
| 02:48.07 | philv | Horrible |
| 02:48.10 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 02:48.15 | philv | ISE pre 8.1i frigthens me. |
| 02:48.23 | philv | 6.1i was a nightmare |
| 02:48.34 | philv | 7.1i was better (but still bad) |
| 02:48.41 | philv | 8.1i is actually quality |
| 02:48.47 | philv | Funny that Quartus sucks even hardware |
| 02:48.53 | philv | uhh |
| 02:48.53 | philv | harder |
| 02:48.53 | philv | bleh |
| 02:49.51 | philv | I actually want a Synplicity license... but that's just because it gets better resource milage than xst for the type of stuff I do |
| 02:49.52 | MonMotha | yaeh, 6 was HORRIBLE |
| 02:50.02 | MonMotha | I had to use it |
| 02:53.44 | philv | I used 6. |
| 02:53.49 | philv | I suffered through it |
| 02:53.54 | philv | :X |
| 02:54.00 | philv | 7.1i was a breath of fresh air |
| 02:54.06 | philv | But still under water most of the time |
| 02:54.14 | philv | 8.1i kinda' makes me feel tingly all over |
| 02:59.32 | MonMotha | I've not use 8.1 beyond looking at it really |
| 02:59.47 | MonMotha | I guess I could go grab a dev board and play |
| 02:59.53 | philv | 8.2i is out |
| 02:59.58 | MonMotha | hum, then we probably have it |
| 02:59.58 | philv | Minor improvements |
| 03:00.05 | philv | Incremental release, just keeps getting better |
| 03:00.11 | MonMotha | speaking of, I've been meaning to buy one of those Virtex2 Pro dev boards |
| 03:00.18 | MonMotha | as an academic customer, I get them cheap |
| 03:00.32 | MonMotha | should also be able to score a deal on ISE |
| 03:00.34 | philv | XUPV2P |
| 03:00.38 | philv | Love mine |
| 03:00.38 | philv | SO HARD |
| 03:00.49 | philv | I got it for free, just begged enough 8) |
| 03:01.36 | philv | Srsly, get it if you have the 300 bucks |
| 03:02.43 | MonMotha | oh, I fully intend to |
| 03:02.52 | MonMotha | I need to get a contact at Xilinx to beg for the software |
| 03:02.59 | MonMotha | they're apparently very nice to RHIT students |
| 03:03.16 | philv | RHIT? |
| 03:03.43 | MonMotha | www.rose-hulman.edu |
| 03:03.57 | philv | I think my PDP-8 just passed functional verification |
| 03:04.29 | MonMotha | PDP-8 on the V2P? |
| 03:04.41 | MonMotha | heck, you could probably fit it on a Spartan2e |
| 03:05.38 | philv | I'm doing it on an XC3S200 |
| 03:05.45 | philv | Spartan 3 Starter Kit from Digilent |
| 03:05.55 | philv | But it as easily can be PARed for an XC2VP |
| 03:06.14 | MonMotha | ok, so you are using a smaller board |
| 03:06.16 | philv | It doesn't use anything device specific |
| 03:06.22 | philv | Yeah |
| 03:06.40 | philv | It has more switches so I can simulate a PDP-8 more easily ;) |
| 03:06.48 | MonMotha | I'm almost tempted to get one of the smaller things like the spartan3 just for small stuff from a "well, it doesn't suck as badly if you fry it" standpoint, but since there's no special education pricingon those, it can wait |
| 03:06.53 | philv | Rather, nicer switches |
| 03:07.00 | philv | Only dip switches on the XUPV2P |
| 03:07.18 | MonMotha | yeah, the 3 has the nice rockers |
| 03:07.28 | philv | Yup |
| 03:07.32 | philv | Very nice |
| 03:08.01 | philv | I could fit this design in a small S3 |
| 03:10.05 | philv | I need a devkit with an XC4VLX50 and at least 5 18-36Mbit QDR-II SRAMs |
| 03:11.10 | MonMotha | what are you doing? |
| 03:11.12 | MonMotha | that's a lot of SRAM |
| 03:11.32 | philv | Heh, evil secret project |
| 03:15.26 | *** join/#edev leoncamel (n=leoncame@219.238.107.107) |
| 03:16.49 | MonMotha | I see |
| 03:16.55 | MonMotha | how evil we talking? |
| 03:17.18 | philv | Heh, there's big money involved, so can't say :) |
| 03:17.39 | MonMotha | ah, that evil |
| 03:17.42 | MonMotha | that's pretty evil |
| 03:18.54 | philv | Basically a dynamically scheduled multi-threaded barrel-like processor with specialized lookup functions for values from 1-128 bits. |
| 03:19.06 | philv | Requires lots of very fancy memory |
| 03:19.52 | philv | The application you could guess at potentially, but I won't say 8) |
| 03:21.05 | MonMotha | hum, crypto? :) |
| 03:22.07 | philv | nope |
| 03:22.14 | philv | Well, it has a special crypto assist |
| 03:22.27 | philv | Or the design calls for I should say |
| 03:22.42 | MonMotha | alright, well, I won't make you keep denying things :) |
| 03:22.54 | MonMotha | does sound interesting though |
| 03:23.17 | philv | It is fun thus far, but DDR is hella limiting what I can test |
| 03:23.21 | philv | And really hurts performance |
| 03:34.57 | *** join/#edev linac (n=lin@222.76.82.151) |
| 03:46.08 | *** join/#edev FireEgl (i=FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.US) |
| 04:41.16 | *** join/#edev samrobb (n=sam@dsl093-061-094.pit1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 04:59.16 | *** join/#edev MonMotha (n=monmotha@cpe-24-160-203-213.ma.res.rr.com) |
| 06:56.12 | *** join/#edev redblue (i=star@ppp014.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca) |
| 07:42.32 | *** join/#edev leoncamel (n=leoncame@219.238.107.107) |
| 08:32.12 | *** join/#edev EvilDevil_ (n=miau@p54A6D32D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:19.59 | *** join/#edev linac (n=lin@121.71.41.172) |
| 12:51.55 | *** join/#edev prpplague (n=billybob@69.73.234.103) |
| 12:53.28 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 13:13.45 | *** join/#edev tuxmaniac (n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac) |
| 13:26.53 | *** join/#edev GPSFan (n=kenm@12.10.255.248) |
| 13:26.53 | *** mode/#edev [+o GPSFan] by ChanServ |
| 14:12.34 | chouimat|ibook | morning |
| 14:18.53 | *** join/#edev hwti (n=noen@LSt-Amand-152-33-5-145.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:27.14 | *** join/#edev CosmicPenguin (i=nobody@nat/amd/x-1ef2744f62b3d94d) |
| 14:27.14 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 14:27.51 | *** join/#edev sjhill (n=sjhill@real.realitydiluted.com) |
| 14:28.23 | prpplague | sjhill / CosmicPenguin : greetings |
| 14:28.44 | CosmicPenguin | hello |
| 14:29.39 | chouimat|ibook | hi prpplague sjhill CosmicPenguin |
| 14:30.09 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 14:30.12 | sjhill | hi chouimat|ibook |
| 14:30.17 | sjhill | hola CosmicPenguin |
| 14:31.54 | CosmicPenguin | hola |
| 14:43.14 | *** join/#edev redb1ue (i=star@ppp197.109-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca) |
| 14:52.06 | *** join/#edev davidc__ (n=davidc@whthyt246-77.northwestel.net) |
| 15:26.47 | *** join/#edev Karo-sam (i=karosa@ob-1626.adsl.datanet.hu) |
| 15:37.48 | prpplague | sjhill: whats cookin today? |
| 15:46.10 | *** join/#edev isenbeck (n=clint@rrcs-71-40-86-22.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 15:46.51 | CosmicPenguin | heh - yesterday's dailywtf was pretty funny |
| 15:58.52 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:00.49 | CosmicPenguin | heh - I have to rebrand the geode X driver |
| 16:02.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh yea |
| 16:03.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: s/geode/amd-abandoned |
| 16:03.40 | CosmicPenguin | hey now - no need for any of that |
| 16:04.03 | CosmicPenguin | We just sold a 1.2 million Geodes - how many of your boards are shipping this year? |
| 16:04.51 | sjhill | prpplague: kickstart |
| 16:05.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:05.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, not that many, but our markup is definetly higher, hehe |
| 16:20.14 | CosmicPenguin | This driver is for the AMD Ggeode GX and LX processors. If you are looking for drivers for any other AMD/ATI devices, you will need to look elsewhere. Thank you. |
| 16:20.54 | CosmicPenguin | Its a brave new world at ATIMD |
| 16:24.17 | *** join/#edev davidc__ (n=davidc@whthyt246-77.northwestel.net) |
| 16:26.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, remind me what the deal was with you and MSDN registration? |
| 16:26.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't they have bunch of restrictions on OSS dev? |
| 16:27.02 | CosmicPenguin | Not officially |
| 16:27.05 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think |
| 16:27.42 | CosmicPenguin | But its best to just avoid getting into any situation where you would have any elevated level of privledges with Microsoft |
| 16:28.34 | CosmicPenguin | I go out of my way to make a bigger deal about that then I should |
| 16:29.10 | CosmicPenguin | because AMD definately shares a close relationship with Microsoft - so if I loudly announce early and often that I have nothing to do with the code / documentation / developers, etc, etc |
| 16:29.19 | CosmicPenguin | then it will be much harder for there to be any repercussions |
| 16:31.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well looks like i'll be in need of some winblows drivers soon, so i'm debating on writing them |
| 16:32.58 | prpplague | odd - http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?article=153 |
| 16:33.05 | CosmicPenguin | I think that as long as you don't have access to anything that you can't read about on Google, you'll be fhine |
| 16:33.07 | prpplague | i thought that was already shipped with most windows |
| 16:42.26 | *** join/#edev CosmicPenguin (i=nobody@nat/amd/x-2db3fc997e8a16c0) |
| 16:42.26 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 16:42.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: re |
| 17:04.44 | T0mW`gone | I honestly thought that someone at an old company I worked for wrote this and disguished the situation a bit! http://thedailywtf.com/ |
| 17:05.13 | CosmicPenguin | The cobal story? |
| 17:05.55 | T0mW`gone | YEAH, it is spooky |
| 17:06.01 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 17:06.50 | T0mW`gone | CosmicPenguin: wait til you work for a few years, you'll see some really dumb people running a business |
| 17:07.05 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, man - I'm there |
| 17:07.12 | CosmicPenguin | hell, I used to be one of those dumb people |
| 17:07.28 | T0mW`gone | CosmicPenguin: heh, you'll probably wake up one day and realize that you are employed by one |
| 17:07.41 | prpplague | hehe see that house, there are people in barbados that actually live in houses like that |
| 17:08.03 | T0mW`gone | prpplague: yeah, Alabama U.S.A. |
| 17:08.46 | T0mW | prpplague: actually, that house is much better, it is made of wood |
| 17:10.33 | T0mW | he wears a set of ear protectors when he is using it, but, he should be passing them out to other people too. |
| 17:40.39 | *** join/#edev sjhill (n=sjhill@real.realitydiluted.com) |
| 17:41.04 | prpplague | sjhill: re |
| 17:42.52 | sjhill | prpplague: hello |
| 17:48.51 | isenbeck | ~hola prpplague ............. |
| 17:53.39 | prpplague | isenbeck: hey |
| 17:53.43 | prpplague | isenbeck: whats cookin? |
| 17:54.03 | wmat | that dailywtf article was funny |
| 17:54.15 | wmat | mostly because i'm sitting here looking at cobol code |
| 17:56.00 | prpplague | isenbeck: i was gonna ask if you've ever had one of those days where treats you like you are a jerk, but then i realized thats probably 6 out of 7 days for you! |
| 17:57.22 | isenbeck | yeah..... |
| 17:57.44 | isenbeck | mine is big on me being a liar |
| 17:58.00 | isenbeck | so much fun so little time |
| 18:01.16 | isenbeck | joo guys got some stimulating conversation going on today ? |
| 18:01.22 | isenbeck | I have been in and out |
| 18:03.06 | isenbeck | updating the bios on a huge xeon monster....... |
| 18:23.26 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe |
| 18:23.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you got snow? |
| 18:33.44 | jbevren | rain here heh |
| 18:33.46 | jbevren | also hi |
| 18:38.55 | *** join/#edev CosmicPenguin (i=nobody@nat/amd/x-4f3af7d67e85fa58) |
| 18:38.55 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 18:43.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you got snow? |
| 18:43.16 | prpplague | isenbeck: whats that for? |
| 18:44.38 | isenbeck | booooored......... |
| 18:44.41 | isenbeck | jeez |
| 18:44.59 | isenbeck | it is raining and I have the @#$-its |
| 18:46.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:46.26 | prpplague | i wish it would rain here |
| 18:46.56 | prpplague | probably get some rain this weekend |
| 18:47.07 | prpplague | http://image.weather.com/images/sat/atl_oce_sat_720x486.jpg |
| 18:47.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: can you fedex me some moose drool? |
| 18:53.30 | CosmicPenguin | sorry |
| 18:53.42 | CosmicPenguin | moose drool is gone - I drank it all |
| 18:56.50 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:58.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah - we got about 3 sloppy inches or so |
| 18:58.38 | prpplague | oh, i see the news was reporting 18 inches in some places |
| 18:58.53 | CosmicPenguin | sure - up in the mountains |
| 18:59.08 | CosmicPenguin | We're at 5280 feet here - the mountains go all the way up to 14,000 |
| 18:59.45 | CosmicPenguin | I think red feather lakes is at 9 or 10 thousand feet, and they got 13 inches |
| 19:03.16 | prpplague | i'm so sick of summer 365 days a year |
| 19:13.42 | isenbeck | trouble in paradice prpplague ? |
| 19:13.44 | isenbeck | jeeeez |
| 19:14.06 | isenbeck | it is 50 degrees F and raining ...........for 4 days..... |
| 19:17.06 | prpplague | isenbeck: s/paradise/hell |
| 19:21.02 | *** join/#edev agaffney (n=agaffney@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.agaffney) |
| 19:23.19 | isenbeck | prpplague, mannnn you are supposed to be "wasting away in margaritaville" |
| 19:24.07 | prpplague | wasting away is right |
| 19:25.19 | wmat | prpplague: how long have you been there? |
| 19:25.38 | prpplague | isenbeck: for some reason, i just don't find a conversation intellectually stimulating if its about whether the mango tree is gonna have softball or baseball sized fruit |
| 19:25.44 | prpplague | wmat: 19 months |
| 19:26.17 | wmat | and when do you get to leave? |
| 19:26.52 | prpplague | technically i could leave at anytime, just we've been waiting on my wife's visa which we got last month |
| 19:27.03 | prpplague | now we have to get everything organized for the move |
| 19:27.08 | isenbeck | prpplague, come on..........go deep sea fishing for me ONE TIME before you shag |
| 19:27.13 | wmat | where will you move too? |
| 19:27.19 | prpplague | wmat: back to dallas |
| 19:27.27 | wmat | ah |
| 19:27.58 | wmat | i went deep sea fishing in barbados once |
| 19:28.12 | wmat | didn't catch anything |
| 19:28.28 | wmat | a buddy got seasick so bad he ended up in the hospital though |
| 19:28.37 | prpplague | ouch |
| 19:28.54 | prpplague | probably threwup enough to get dehydrated |
| 19:29.20 | *** join/#edev davidc__ (n=davidc@whthyt244-73.northwestel.net) |
| 19:30.25 | wmat | and it didn't help that he was pouring beer and run down his throat as wuickly as the boat owner could hand it to him |
| 19:30.49 | isenbeck | I hate motion illness........ |
| 19:31.16 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 19:31.31 | jbevren | doh |
| 19:31.32 | wmat | so what would an embedded linux developer want in an embedded linux development portal? |
| 19:31.46 | wmat | research papers? |
| 19:31.47 | jbevren | inventing a new one eh? |
| 19:31.56 | wmat | jbevren: no reinventing actually |
| 19:32.09 | prpplague | wmat: yea you know rum is from the word - rumbullion |
| 19:32.10 | jbevren | wmat: Datasheets, papers |
| 19:32.19 | prpplague | wmat: which basically means to vomit |
| 19:32.22 | wmat | the CELF wiki is being reinvented, that is |
| 19:32.27 | wmat | prpplague: figures |
| 19:32.45 | jbevren | I like the elinux.org wiki's concept |
| 19:32.47 | prpplague | wmat: elinux.org wiki does a nice job |
| 19:32.53 | jbevren | people submit info on what theyre working on |
| 19:33.04 | prpplague | wmat: albeit not as organized as it could be |
| 19:33.26 | wmat | yes, we're talking to them to combine our efforts (or so I've been told) |
| 19:33.40 | wmat | prpplague: my job is to improve that organization |
| 19:33.52 | wmat | and keep it organized |
| 19:34.16 | prpplague | wmat: we == ??? them == ?? |
| 19:35.14 | wmat | prpplague: i've been contracted by CELF as the Editor of the new wiki |
| 19:35.43 | prpplague | wmat: ahh we == celf them = me and timriker |
| 19:35.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:36.04 | wmat | prpplague: ah, you're in on elinux with Tim |
| 19:36.21 | wmat | I believe Tim Bird contacted TIm R about combining efforts |
| 19:36.29 | wmat | not sure though, exactly |
| 19:39.34 | wmat | it would seem useful anyway to have everything in one place somewhere |
| 19:40.27 | prpplague | wmat: yea we've been bouncing the idea around |
| 19:40.52 | prpplague | wmat: i think some of our concerns are about issues with reverse engineering devices |
| 19:41.20 | prpplague | wmat: and the fact that our contributions would be used to encourage people to join CELF which require dues |
| 19:41.47 | wmat | prpplague: bounce faster ;) I don't want to port all the old CELF Wiki content for no reason |
| 19:42.12 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:42.15 | wmat | prpplague: by my understanding, CELF doesn't want the wiki to be CELF-centric |
| 19:43.20 | wmat | nor do I think the site would in anyway be encouraging people to join CELF |
| 19:43.37 | prpplague | wmat: yea, just worried that something might occur like with mp3.com where our content becomes the $$ content of some later organization |
| 19:44.32 | wmat | i'm sure tbird could address that concern formally somehow |
| 19:44.52 | wmat | besides, the site would be licensed appropriately |
| 19:45.01 | wmat | much like the new RT wiki |
| 19:45.39 | prpplague | what about the potential of celf getting pressure from a business about reverse engineering |
| 19:45.41 | prpplague | ?? |
| 19:45.53 | prpplague | i.e. items like the juicebox and pixter |
| 19:46.11 | prpplague | i can guarrante that if mattel knew who to contact about my work, they would |
| 19:46.54 | wmat | yeah, those are issues I suppose |
| 19:47.20 | wmat | i'll bring them up on celinux-dev |
| 19:47.49 | wmat | i'm curious myself, as most fun embedded hacking involves some reverse engineering of some sort |
| 19:48.34 | prpplague | my main concern is that i work hard to post information for free, i don't want it to become someone else's profit |
| 19:51.06 | isenbeck | prpplague, it is a conundrum........ |
| 19:51.19 | wmat | what's to stop someone from trying to profit from your work that's posted online? |
| 19:51.50 | prpplague | nothing, but thats different from me handing it over to someone to make a profit from it |
| 19:52.19 | wmat | are you concerned about corps coming after you for rev. eng. their devices? |
| 19:52.52 | wmat | who would you be handing your work over too? |
| 19:53.04 | prpplague | wmat: lets just say mattel doesn't like me, since i post just information about just about every one of their electronic toys |
| 19:53.15 | prpplague | wmat: well in this case celf |
| 19:53.52 | prpplague | wmat: i'm just worried about something like what happened to mp3.com and to the cddb |
| 19:54.24 | wmat | CELF itself isn't a for profit entity |
| 19:55.38 | *** join/#edev CosmicPenguin (i=nobody@nat/amd/x-c7d9713bb63b4147) |
| 19:55.38 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 19:56.03 | prpplague | wmat: originally neither was cddb |
| 19:56.13 | prpplague | wmat: it was originally covered under GPL |
| 19:56.22 | prpplague | wmat: so people submited information like crazy |
| 19:56.39 | prpplague | wmat: then when they had enough information, they changed the license and started charging |
| 19:57.19 | prpplague | wmat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDDB |
| 19:57.26 | wmat | yeah, that was lame |
| 19:58.02 | prpplague | wmat: you might say right now its free, but whats stopping CELF from changing that policy to "members only" |
| 19:58.04 | prpplague | ? |
| 19:59.24 | prpplague | wmat: i'm sorry if i sound cynical, but isenbeck can vouch, i've had too many bastards take my work, make a ton of money, and not even provide credit for the work |
| 20:00.01 | wmat | prpplague: no no, i understand |
| 20:00.11 | isenbeck | yes he has................ |
| 20:00.35 | wmat | and I want to address these questions, as part of my go forward work is supposed to be to find new content for the wiki |
| 20:00.51 | wmat | so if I can't get people doing innovative work to contribute, what hope do I have |
| 20:00.59 | prpplague | agreed |
| 20:01.14 | wmat | so who screwed you over in the past? |
| 20:01.17 | wmat | and how? |
| 20:01.21 | prpplague | past boss's |
| 20:01.26 | wmat | ah |
| 20:01.53 | prpplague | wmat: hehe, ala the move TRON |
| 20:02.29 | prpplague | wmat: hehe doing stuff on my own time, then bamm , boss seems to present it as his idea and gets massive bonus's |
| 20:02.40 | *** join/#edev agaffney_ (n=agaffney@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.agaffney) |
| 20:04.06 | wmat | prpplague: you should join the celf wiki taskforce and voice your concerns |
| 20:04.57 | wmat | i figure i'll have the old site ported to the new wiki within a month, so i hope i can proceed unfettered after that to find new contributions |
| 20:05.01 | prpplague | wmat: i'll talk it over with timriker this evening |
| 20:05.34 | wmat | cool |
| 20:07.11 | wmat | and here's the beginnings of the wiki |
| 20:07.14 | wmat | http://embeddedlinux.movial.fi/index.php/Main_Page |
| 20:08.05 | wmat | I keep trying to work on it while at my dayjob, but looking over my shoulder all day is getting painful |
| 20:09.34 | prpplague | hmmm |
| 20:09.48 | prpplague | looks familiar is that the same wiki that the OLPC folks use? |
| 20:10.14 | wmat | it's the thinkwiki layout, also used by the RT wiki |
| 20:11.45 | prpplague | wmat: have they laid out any rules as to what can and can not be placed on the wiki? |
| 20:12.43 | wmat | i'm still working on the Policy guidelines |
| 20:12.57 | wmat | but as for content, the answer as far as I know is *any* |
| 20:13.07 | wmat | barring embedded porn, of course ;) |
| 20:13.35 | prpplague | wmat: you mean like this - http://crackerdiet.net/pub/resistor-pr0n.jpg |
| 20:13.53 | wmat | is the sfw? |
| 20:14.19 | prpplague | hehe probably |
| 20:14.27 | prpplague | no |
| 20:14.28 | prpplague | not |
| 20:14.32 | wmat | heh |
| 20:14.40 | wmat | i'll check that at home |
| 20:15.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:15.48 | prpplague | you'll get a laugh |
| 20:16.29 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: hehe |
| 20:17.47 | *** join/#edev CosmicPenguin (i=nobody@nat/amd/x-9aceb2ed7b96717e) |
| 20:17.47 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 20:17.58 | wmat | prpplague: and for the record, I'm not particularly a CELF advocate one way or another; this is simply a *job* for me in hope of finally extricating myself from the mind numbing world of insurance software where I'm currently trapped ;) |
| 20:18.26 | prpplague | wmat: hehe understood |
| 20:18.37 | wmat | but I would like to see embedded Linux info in one place, whether it be linked to offsite or not |
| 20:19.01 | prpplague | wmat: probablem is tim and i are pretty passionate about embedded dev, just protecting our work |
| 20:19.27 | wmat | fair enough |
| 20:19.36 | wmat | who isn't ;) |
| 20:20.04 | prpplague | wmat: where is the info on the wiki delta force ? |
| 20:20.42 | wmat | heh, task force: http://celinuxforum.org/ |
| 20:20.50 | wmat | 2nd item |
| 20:21.01 | wmat | http://celinuxforum.org/?q=node/61 |
| 20:21.05 | wmat | specifically |
| 20:22.03 | *** join/#edev CosmicPenguin (i=nobody@nat/amd/x-38b55de084a2452a) |
| 20:22.03 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 20:23.17 | prpplague | wmat: ok i'm headed home for the day, i'll subscribe to the list and speak to timriker this evening |
| 20:23.20 | prpplague | wmat: thanks |
| 20:23.24 | prpplague | later foks |
| 20:23.27 | prpplague | folks even |
| 20:30.25 | *** join/#edev ccjoe (i=clrsrv@www.clearcore.com) |
| 21:21.58 | *** join/#edev prpplague (n=dave@69.73.223.247) |
| 21:23.57 | prpplague | h0 h0 h0 |
| 21:25.31 | prpplague | its hotter than a whore on payday this evening |
| 21:26.11 | jbevren | prpplague: nono, hotter than a whore that didnt get paid |
| 21:26.12 | jbevren | :) |
| 21:26.32 | CosmicPenguin | what? That was the stupidest thing I've heard all day, and I've been in a marketing meeting |
| 21:26.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:27.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you never heard that before? |
| 21:27.17 | CosmicPenguin | no - what jbevren said |
| 21:29.52 | prpplague | oh |
| 21:36.27 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: how do you make a hormone? |
| 21:36.58 | jbevren | (dont pay yer.. yuk yuk) |
| 21:37.07 | jbevren | s/yer/her/ |
| 21:37.10 | prpplague | ba dum bump |
| 21:48.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did you guys decide on turkey or ham? |
| 21:48.29 | CosmicPenguin | erh? |
| 21:48.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, your web page poll |
| 21:49.06 | CosmicPenguin | oh, heh |
| 21:49.13 | CosmicPenguin | Its still coming up... but turkey always wins |
| 21:49.22 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 21:49.25 | CosmicPenguin | I'm working on a new interface right now on my new server |
| 21:49.32 | prpplague | ahh |
| 21:49.36 | CosmicPenguin | that one you see is geekcode, I'm moving to drupal |
| 21:49.44 | prpplague | ahh |
| 21:49.59 | CosmicPenguin | its going to be wicked cool |
| 21:51.46 | prpplague | lovely |
| 21:53.24 | prpplague | you know i hear about alot of people live in tech areas like in san jose, longmont, seattle, or austin where there are lots of geeks |
| 21:54.09 | prpplague | it seems really strange to me be part of the local group and not be an outsider |
| 21:54.29 | prpplague | since i grew up in an redneck area |
| 21:54.38 | prpplague | not too many geeks around |
| 21:59.44 | *** join/#edev yaman (n=yaman@195.174.129.122) |
| 22:00.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2289595&cp=2032062.2032394&fbx=0&allCount=118&fbn=Type%2FEducational+Laptops&f=PAD%2FProduct+Type%2FEducational+Laptops&fbc=1&fr=StorePrice%2FRSK%2F00005000%2F00009999&parentPage=family |
| 22:00.42 | prpplague | holy cow |
| 22:00.48 | prpplague | should have used tinyurl |
| 22:01.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://tinyurl.com/y63dpg |
| 22:01.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: vtech is really starting to up the capabilities of their kids laptops |
| 22:07.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: another 20 years and kids will have toys that have the same computing power as a dual opteron |
| 22:16.32 | CosmicPenguin | one opteron per child |
| 22:17.54 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:27.18 | prpplague | hmm i thought adobe had a beta for flash player 9 |
| 23:33.32 | *** join/#edev redblue (i=star@ppp133.110-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca) |
| 23:53.07 | MonMotha | prpplague: any info in the actual specs of said vtech thingie |
