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| 03:09.18 | jbevren | hehe woot |
| 03:09.21 | jbevren | 2780M ram |
| 03:09.25 | jbevren | nice free computer |
| 03:09.39 | jbevren | sad thing is, its quieter than one of my desktops |
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| 14:07.42 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:09.36 | wmat2 | it sure is |
| 14:11.14 | agaffney | unfortunately, I think it's already worn off :( |
| 14:18.32 | agaffney | mine is falling back asleep |
| 14:18.37 | agaffney | it was awake on the drive to work |
| 14:41.04 | sjhill | jbevren: you should be awake...did you not notice the cold and wind? |
| 14:49.58 | jbevren | sjhill: that was last night |
| 14:49.59 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:50.01 | jbevren | its calm here atm |
| 14:50.17 | jbevren | remember, weather goes from me to you :) |
| 14:51.04 | chouimat | yay 1C and rain :( |
| 15:18.29 | chouimat | yay day off !!! |
| 15:18.51 | philv | I need a day off |
| 15:18.55 | philv | :< |
| 15:19.43 | chouimat | philv: I took it ... I have other stuff to do which are actually paying than the stupid thing I was slaving on the last few days :) |
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| 16:07.16 | philv | chouimat: I am working on test scripts right now |
| 16:07.21 | philv | I really hate writing sanity test scripts |
| 16:07.26 | philv | ANd the language is so broken it is hilarious |
| 16:12.04 | chouimat | philv: I'm trying to come up with a LALR(1) grammar for something like this: [123] 12 133 read 2 122 b ... where '12' and '133' are optional ... and the meaning depend of the relative position from [] and read ... a lot of fun and I think it's overkill but the Holy Consultant make the use of flex and bison (or any other parser generator) mandatory ... |
| 16:12.44 | philv | haha |
| 16:12.48 | philv | He must be from the 1980s |
| 16:12.51 | philv | seriously |
| 16:12.54 | philv | ;) |
| 16:12.56 | philv | rather, stuck in |
| 16:14.01 | chouimat | philv: no an hardware designer who doesn't know programming at all and who listen to the Virgin Mary |
| 16:15.30 | chouimat | philv: the only thing he know how to program is a z80 and pics :) |
| 16:16.42 | CosmicPenguin | Thats not a nice thing to say about T0 |
| 16:16.44 | CosmicPenguin | mW |
| 16:16.50 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh - he's not here for the slam |
| 16:17.17 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: actually t0mw is nice and probably knows more than this guy |
| 16:25.46 | philv | Bleh |
| 16:25.57 | philv | I'm sick of hardware guys who don't understand software... there's no excuse to not :< |
| 16:26.23 | chouimat | philv: yup ... they just make my life fsckingly harder |
| 16:26.27 | CosmicPenguin | I'm just sick of hardware guys |
| 16:26.46 | philv | chouimat: and I say this as a hardware guy ;) |
| 16:27.05 | chouimat | philv: hehe |
| 16:27.25 | wmat2 | isn't the hardware guys mantra "they'll fix that in software" |
| 16:28.08 | philv | No |
| 16:28.19 | wmat2 | heh |
| 16:28.21 | philv | The mantra is "The only thing that stands between hardware and magic is software" |
| 16:28.21 | chouimat | philv: the problem is since he doesn't know how to program ... he's taking all the decisions about everything ... |
| 16:28.24 | philv | ;) |
| 16:28.33 | philv | Haha |
| 16:28.36 | wmat2 | heh |
| 16:28.39 | philv | Uninformed decisions, no doubt |
| 16:28.45 | philv | Is this guy Lutful Khan? |
| 16:30.10 | chouimat | philv: no he's in Quebec City ... he's informed he got a direct connection with the Holy thingy in Heaven |
| 16:30.34 | philv | Oh wow, good to know the church is still alive and well in Quebec City |
| 16:30.48 | philv | (I thought people like that stopped existing in the 50's?) |
| 16:32.38 | chouimat | it's between the person and the holy thingy in heaven now ... and since I was studying in an Secondary School (high school) run by catholic priests ... I will let you guess what is my opinions on this BS :) |
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| 16:33.10 | philv | Hahaha |
| 16:33.26 | philv | chouimat: I had the "blessing" of going to a Catholic high school, so I imagine I share similar sentiments |
| 16:36.20 | chouimat | philv: someone in Montreal asked me why I hated french so much , it simple all the political and social environment in Quebec create 3 types of person: the fanatics, the I don't care and the 3rd one which the PQ and BQ are not ready to accept: the I can't stand it anymore ... |
| 16:37.10 | philv | I hear it :( |
| 16:37.39 | chouimat | anyway lunchtime ... |
| 16:37.44 | philv | It's funny because my family is heavily involved in politics in Quebec, so I hear a lot about it :( |
| 16:38.19 | chouimat | philv: my sister's boyfriend is a vice-president (or was) of the youth commission of the PQ |
| 16:39.27 | philv | Oh fun stuff |
| 16:39.30 | philv | :| |
| 16:41.12 | chouimat | philv: yup because I can't talk ... my mother asked me to "preserve the peace" even if he "attacks" my opinions |
| 16:41.53 | philv | Haha, I usually go to great efforts to mess with them in my family |
| 16:42.12 | philv | But they're all NDP-ers |
| 16:42.22 | philv | So I can live with them I guess |
| 16:45.40 | chouimat | philv: hehe ... his and my sister also more on the left ... so it's fun too ... last election in Quebec I voted for the ADQ ... and my sister told me it was normal that I voted for them because I'm a "young self-employed professional" and that I didn't care about social democracy etc etc etc ... I answered I agree with the current social systems and I'm also thinking about my children ... there are major problem in the current implementation and we |
| 16:45.40 | chouimat | need to fix it because I will not give 95% of my income for this! |
| 16:46.25 | philv | Which party is the ADQ? |
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| 16:46.45 | chouimat | Mario Dumont |
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| 18:07.28 | wmat | I need a good bench power supply, any recommendations? |
| 18:10.41 | prpplague | hamster wheel and lots of food |
| 18:11.24 | wmat | heh |
| 18:11.37 | chouimat | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Human_vs._Kitten_War |
| 18:11.42 | wmat | prpplague: getting some good feedback on the wiki questions |
| 18:12.26 | prpplague | are you asking or telling? |
| 18:12.50 | wmat | telling: http://tree.celinuxforum.org/pipermail/celinux-dev/2006-October/001356.html |
| 18:13.05 | wmat | http://tree.celinuxforum.org/pipermail/celinux-dev/2006-October/thread.html |
| 18:13.15 | wmat | just read the Reverse Engineering thread |
| 18:13.42 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 18:22.14 | jbevren | Masturbating is a sin, that's why heaven is empty. |
| 18:22.15 | jbevren | haha |
| 18:22.17 | jbevren | too funny |
| 18:43.47 | prpplague | wmat: hmmm |
| 18:44.12 | prpplague | wmat: i am gonna have to re-read this more carefully |
| 18:44.58 | prpplague | wmat: but my first impression from my first impression it sounds like they aren't saying much other than, "if you want to use it, use it, if you don't, don't" |
| 18:45.32 | prpplague | wmat: doh, sorry for the garbaged sentence thats what you get for trying to type and talk on the phone at the same time |
| 18:45.41 | wmat | prpplague: well, they're distinctly saying that CELF has no bearing on the site at all, so there's no ownership issues |
| 18:45.55 | wmat | ie. CELF can't make the site members only whenever it please |
| 18:46.03 | prpplague | wmat: right |
| 18:46.17 | prpplague | wmat: but they are gonna reserve the right to pull content |
| 18:46.35 | prpplague | wmat: so the question is like for my pixter-multimedia stuff, is that gonna get pulled? |
| 18:46.36 | wmat | yes, but only based on common sense |
| 18:46.56 | prpplague | common sense generally isn't very common |
| 18:47.20 | wmat | I'd say no, that content wouldn't get pulled |
| 18:47.29 | wmat | it's not illegal in anyway |
| 18:47.41 | CosmicPenguin | It might be in the US |
| 18:48.21 | philv | Is there any anti-tamper/DRM/encryption on Pixter? |
| 18:48.25 | jbevren | doesnt the dmca have exemptions for reverse engineering if its done in an effort to enhance interoperability? |
| 18:48.54 | jbevren | philv: most companys figure that using a hardware chip to store data constitutes anti-tamper |
| 18:48.59 | prpplague | wmat: it's definetly in a grey area in the US |
| 18:49.00 | jbevren | that and they are glued shut (the carts) |
| 18:49.30 | prpplague | jbevren: that is true, but that hasn't stopped companies from pressing the DMCA against people |
| 18:49.38 | philv | Well, as I said, if you need somewhere to host a project like that, let me know |
| 18:49.52 | philv | Nothing blatantly illegal, but stuff like that I have no problems with |
| 18:50.47 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:50.47 | jbevren | well we do avoid posting rom code (see the juicebox sample rom page) |
| 18:50.47 | wmat | the new wiki isn't hosted in the US, if that helps |
| 18:50.47 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:50.47 | jbevren | it didnt help piratebay |
| 18:50.47 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:51.03 | prpplague | wmat: and it hasn't helped too many people here in barbados either, hehe |
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| 18:51.10 | philv | Naw, the Swedish Government owes them money actually |
| 18:51.27 | philv | The Pirate Bay is getting a fortune over that whole crapstorm, apparently |
| 18:51.43 | philv | Or so I heard |
| 18:51.44 | wmat | i'll post your porject as example content to consider and see what the other guys say |
| 18:52.29 | prpplague | wmat: that would be nice |
| 18:52.41 | prpplague | wmat: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/PixterMultimedia |
| 18:54.06 | wmat | already sent it thorugh the tubes ;) |
| 18:54.48 | jbevren | hey I started that page lol |
| 18:57.56 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 18:57.56 | prpplague | jbevren: just finished soldering together my new pixter dev board |
| 18:58.02 | prpplague | jbevren: got nor flash and all |
| 18:58.29 | jbevren | cool |
| 18:59.02 | jbevren | I'm still arguing with getting a 32k sram to work in a 1mhz system |
| 18:59.04 | jbevren | meh :) |
| 18:59.35 | jbevren | need enough ram in my floppy drive to buffer a track (8k gcr data) |
| 18:59.38 | jbevren | it only has 2k ram :( |
| 19:06.43 | chouimat | philv: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Church_of_God_the_Wholly_Incompetent <--- this one sound interesting ;) |
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| 19:21.09 | prpplague | T0mW: you package is due to clear customs tomorrow morning and be on its way |
| 19:21.20 | T0mW | prpplague: cool, thanks |
| 19:22.10 | T0mW | prpplague: the 1.8v supply is a dead short to ground when the processor 1.8v pins are attached to it. :( |
| 19:22.19 | T0mW | prpplague: this is the new board |
| 19:22.33 | prpplague | T0mW: doh |
| 19:22.43 | prpplague | T0mW: which board? your s3c2410 board? |
| 19:22.44 | T0mW | prpplague: supposed to be 60ma max current there, it is like > 1Amp draw |
| 19:22.52 | T0mW | prpplague: naw, LPC2214 |
| 19:22.56 | prpplague | oh |
| 19:23.03 | T0mW | prpplague: new design |
| 19:23.17 | T0mW | prpplague: never used this chip before |
| 19:23.35 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:23.48 | T0mW | prpplague: there is only 144 pins to look at and consider,heh |
| 19:24.21 | T0mW | prpplague: funny thing is that the CPU does not get how |
| 19:24.25 | T0mW | s/how/hot |
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| 19:36.31 | sorphin | http://crazy.codetroop.com/randimg/imgs/halloween.gif :) |
| 19:37.08 | chouimat | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Jebus |
| 19:38.45 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: smartfilter strikes again! |
| 19:40.01 | T0mW | prpplague: slowly, my stock of zipit addon boards is dwindling |
| 19:40.37 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe, I'll have to order some more boards... |
| 19:41.21 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 19:42.00 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 19:42.09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it's a funny halloween comic strip |
| 19:42.10 | T0mW | this is definately a WTF, this morning the LPC2214 chip is NOT drawing huge current. Either I blew the chip, inadvertanly cleared some circiut board whisker short, or, I was more tired than I thought .. |
| 19:42.32 | jbevren | heh |
| 19:42.35 | jbevren | poke it with some jtag |
| 19:42.38 | jbevren | see if it IDs :) |
| 19:42.41 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: blocked by AMD |
| 19:42.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:42.48 | T0mW | sorphin: hey, where you been off to? |
| 19:43.00 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that's what proxies are for :) |
| 19:43.24 | sorphin | T0mW: hey gramps... work + car + work + work |
| 19:43.26 | T0mW | jbevren: yeah, definately have to see if it is alive |
| 19:43.45 | sorphin | T0mW: and doing usb fun w/ the CVS one use video camera |
| 19:43.55 | T0mW | sorphin: yeah, same here, but IRC is definately a necessity to help me keep my sanity |
| 19:44.10 | sorphin | T0mW: ah |
| 19:44.37 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:44.46 | T0mW | sorphin: some days, IRC is my only human contact with the outside world! |
| 19:44.56 | sorphin | T0mW: Humans are overrated |
| 19:45.15 | jbevren | yeah. who needs hu.. waitaminute |
| 19:45.44 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ok, see if http://wibble.captainrock.com:8090/halloween.gif is blocked |
| 19:46.01 | jbevren | might need to link it from a html |
| 19:46.04 | jbevren | shrug |
| 19:46.08 | sorphin | if i'm blocked by AMD i'll be most amused |
| 19:46.23 | jbevren | sorphin: the custom port may be |
| 19:46.46 | sorphin | my primary DNS server resolves as:you.have.fallen.off.theendoftheinter.net :) |
| 19:46.53 | CosmicPenguin | Its not AMD - its the third party filter that they bought |
| 19:47.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: did it work via my server ? |
| 19:47.17 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 19:48.09 | sorphin | jbevren: that 'custom port' is because a) this isn't really a webserver box, it just happens to run boa, and by not using port 80, it doesn't get scanned |
| 19:48.18 | jbevren | nod |
| 19:48.23 | jbevren | I didnt question the need |
| 19:48.42 | jbevren | just noting that smartfilter might not like an odd port |
| 19:48.43 | sorphin | i love when someone traceroutes to my nameserver though.. they get a funny look |
| 19:48.49 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:49.04 | sorphin | i hope they finish my damn car today |
| 19:49.11 | jbevren | sorphin: I once pondered setting up a cyclic route for unexpected udp packets |
| 19:49.20 | sorphin | the rental car game is getting on my nerves |
| 19:49.24 | sorphin | jbevren: heh |
| 19:49.33 | jbevren | make traceroute go on forever :) |
| 19:49.42 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:54.33 | prpplague | sorphin: i thought your car was repaired ages ago... or is this a new issue? |
| 19:57.35 | sorphin | prpplague: the last time it had rained really hard, the passenger floor was soaked, there's a noise that's been there since i got the car, and the driver's door lock wouldn't lock/unlock via anything but the key (turns out it was the BCM) |
| 19:59.15 | wmat | prpplague: Tim B. just replied to say that page is fine |
| 19:59.35 | wmat | i can bounce you the reply if you like as it was off list |
| 19:59.48 | prpplague | wmat: please do |
| 19:59.52 | prpplague | sorphin: BCM? |
| 20:01.58 | wmat | prpplague: work email ok? |
| 20:04.28 | prpplague | wmat: try dave123_aml@yahoo.com |
| 20:04.51 | wmat | done |
| 20:05.05 | prpplague | thanks |
| 20:05.08 | wmat | i hope yahoo doesn't flag my gmail address as spam ;) |
| 20:07.24 | prpplague | wmat: see technically he is correct |
| 20:07.47 | prpplague | wmat: however i know first hand Mattel/Fisher-Price absouletly do no like what i'm doing |
| 20:08.14 | prpplague | wmat: they have argued in the past that what i do is a violation of the DCMA |
| 20:08.15 | Crofton | what is the difference between this channel and #elinux? |
| 20:08.18 | wmat | right, but whether your content is on eLinux.org or somewhere else seems irrelevant |
| 20:08.39 | prpplague | Crofton: elinux is more of a professional channel, this is more of hacking devices channel |
| 20:08.50 | CosmicPenguin | we're so totally unprofessional |
| 20:09.04 | wmat | i'd presume this one is not Linux specific either |
| 20:09.05 | prpplague | wmat: right, but the difference is that i can control the content on elinux.org |
| 20:09.16 | prpplague | wmat: correct |
| 20:09.25 | prpplague | wmat: although that is where it takes us most of time |
| 20:09.26 | wmat | you retain rights on the new wiki as well |
| 20:09.38 | wmat | prpplague: and because it's a wiki, you could delete it at will |
| 20:09.52 | prpplague | wmat: yea, i'm more worried about other people deleting it |
| 20:10.08 | wmat | that would never just happen |
| 20:10.21 | wmat | there's be reams of discussion before even a period is deleted |
| 20:10.51 | prpplague | hmm |
| 20:11.00 | wmat | i can guarantee that as long as I'm the editor, no content will be deleted that falls into grey areas |
| 20:11.33 | CosmicPenguin | Until you get a call from Screwem and Bonem, Attorneys at Law |
| 20:11.34 | wmat | which, i'd guess, is pretty much any questionable reverse engineering content |
| 20:12.15 | wmat | CosmicPenguin: but the content is under the rights of the poster |
| 20:12.24 | wmat | and there's no anonymous posting, btw |
| 20:13.27 | CosmicPenguin | wmat: are you prepared to fight the good fight? |
| 20:13.40 | CosmicPenguin | wmat: its a tough go - legal fees can be a bitch |
| 20:14.15 | wmat | CosmicPenguin: no, i'd not take on any personal monetary liability in any way |
| 20:14.46 | CosmicPenguin | wmat: they'll come to you - they'll ask you to take it down under penalty of some legal thing |
| 20:15.01 | CosmicPenguin | even if the comment is owned by the poster, you are the only guy they'll be able to find with the keys to the engine |
| 20:15.02 | CosmicPenguin | then what? |
| 20:15.25 | CosmicPenguin | Thats life in these United States, unfortunately |
| 20:15.42 | wmat | CosmicPenguin: not at all, i'm just contracted to edit/organize/promote |
| 20:15.52 | wmat | it's not _my_ site or content |
| 20:15.58 | CosmicPenguin | s/you/whoever/ |
| 20:16.23 | wmat | and I'm in Canada |
| 20:16.37 | wmat | and the server is in Finland |
| 20:16.42 | CosmicPenguin | Then you're covered |
| 20:17.10 | CosmicPenguin | Mostly - but i wouldn't go about guaranteeing that content won't be deleted |
| 20:17.38 | CosmicPenguin | Most of these companies care very strongly about not letting that content get out |
| 20:18.39 | wmat | CosmicPenguin: you're correct, I can't guarantee anything I suppose, that was dumb of me |
| 20:18.48 | CosmicPenguin | wmat: but I understand your intent |
| 20:18.51 | sorphin | prpplague: BCM = Body |
| 20:18.56 | sorphin | Control Module |
| 20:18.57 | CosmicPenguin | wmat: and I applaud it |
| 20:19.05 | CosmicPenguin | wmat: though I obviously can't spell it |
| 20:19.06 | sorphin | prpplague: controls the locks, windows, lights, etc |
| 20:19.31 | wmat | i guess it'll be interesting to see how it all goes |
| 20:20.06 | prpplague | sorphin: ahh |
| 20:20.15 | prpplague | wmat: gotta run some errands, bbiab |
| 20:20.17 | sorphin | prpplague: so kinda important :) |
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| 20:59.17 | CosmicPenguin | Microsoft and Peter Jackson have posponed Halo |
| 20:59.23 | CosmicPenguin | That frees up Jackson to do the Hobbit.. :) |
| 22:00.31 | T0mW | jbevren: it's AAALIIIIVE! |
| 22:00.33 | T0mW | he |
| 23:03.37 | jbevren | tom: awesome :) |
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