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| 02:33.41 | T0mW | prpplague: finally, got an LED to periodically blink on the new board, heh, PITA. |
| 02:45.31 | chouimat | hey |
| 03:08.58 | wmat | prpplague: seems there's a new SuperH site |
| 03:09.06 | wmat | http://www.superh-linux.org/index.html |
| 03:32.05 | wmat | it's a renesas site specifically put together for clients |
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| 13:11.52 | debonairdude | whats the best forum to discuss Atmel related Microcontroller |
| 13:18.29 | prpplague | debonairdude: tends to be ##microcontrollers |
| 13:18.40 | prpplague | debonairdude: you can get some discussion on #robotics and #electronics |
| 13:18.50 | prpplague | debonairdude: but they tend to be rampant with trolls |
| 13:18.58 | prpplague | debonairdude: and wannabies |
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| 14:03.39 | wmat | prpplague: so TimB emailed TimR yesterday regarding the merging of the wikis |
| 14:03.59 | prpplague | wmat: oh yea? i've not been able to talk to TimR |
| 14:04.27 | prpplague | wmat: we had an island wide power outage from monday evening thru mid day yesterday |
| 14:04.35 | wmat | ouch |
| 14:04.47 | isenbeck | mornin' all |
| 14:05.17 | prpplague | isenbeck: hey crack baby |
| 14:05.23 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe, loved the pics |
| 14:05.28 | wmat | prpplague: i'll forward it to your yahoo address |
| 14:05.37 | prpplague | i still have the ones of her up on the abcsinc.com web site |
| 14:05.40 | prpplague | wmat: thanks |
| 14:06.00 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe - http://www.abcsinc.com/pics/ |
| 14:06.45 | prpplague | wmat: got it thanks |
| 14:08.17 | wmat | who's her? |
| 14:08.47 | prpplague | wmat: hehe, a girl that worked at abcsinc when isenbeck and i worked there |
| 14:08.58 | prpplague | wmat: she was assume |
| 14:09.18 | prpplague | wmat: "girl next door" type |
| 14:09.23 | wmat | sfw? |
| 14:10.27 | prpplague | wmat: yea |
| 14:16.02 | wmat | pretty |
| 14:16.33 | prpplague | wmat: and those a terrible pictures |
| 14:17.16 | prpplague | wmat: hehe, some of the employees that have been gone for over 6 years still ask about her |
| 14:18.03 | prpplague | wmat: i don't think i know any man that knew her that didn't find her amazing |
| 14:18.06 | isenbeck | prpplague, did you get the .png ? |
| 14:18.10 | prpplague | isenbeck: yea |
| 14:18.12 | isenbeck | that is the best one |
| 14:18.13 | prpplague | isenbeck: thanks |
| 14:18.26 | isenbeck | prpplague, she offered "other" pics as well |
| 14:18.50 | prpplague | isenbeck: you @#$@#, why didn't you get them? |
| 14:22.01 | isenbeck | I will........... |
| 14:22.08 | isenbeck | I am slowly working on er |
| 14:22.16 | isenbeck | she is sooooooooo kewl |
| 14:22.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:23.25 | isenbeck | the .png is right up your alley |
| 14:23.33 | isenbeck | semi goth............. lol |
| 14:24.45 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 14:26.45 | prpplague | HA, the poweroutage was cause by a monkey who was playing on a transformer |
| 14:26.51 | prpplague | fried him |
| 14:26.54 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:27.01 | jbevren | raccoons and squirrels do that here |
| 14:27.12 | jbevren | more often squirrels |
| 14:27.58 | prpplague | http://www.nationnews.com/story/287398565820454.php |
| 14:29.37 | prpplague | hehe paul allen didn't have any problems on his yacht, hehe, they had a big party there last night |
| 14:30.26 | prpplague | http://bararchive.bits.baseview.com/archive_detail.php?archiveFile=./pubfiles/bar/archive/2006/October/18/27620.xml&start=0&numPer=20&keyword=paul+allen§ionSearch=&begindate=1%2F1%2F1994&enddate=12%2F31%2F2006&authorSearch=&IncludeStories=1&pubsection=&page=&IncludePages=1&IncludeImages=1&mode=allwords&archive_pubname=Daily+Nation%0A%09%09%09 |
| 14:30.30 | prpplague | oops |
| 14:30.34 | prpplague | sorry about that |
| 14:31.22 | isenbeck | prpplague, Texas is calling me............... |
| 14:31.29 | prpplague | isenbeck: me too |
| 14:31.36 | isenbeck | prpplague, looks like your browser barfed.......... |
| 14:31.53 | prpplague | isenbeck: report on paul allens yacht in the bay |
| 14:35.27 | prpplague | anyone using blueetooth usb dongles? |
| 14:38.46 | jbevren | :) |
| 14:40.26 | prpplague | jbevren: any problems setting them up? |
| 14:40.40 | isenbeck | heh .........you said "dongle" |
| 14:40.49 | prpplague | jbevren: the ones i have seem to work ok, just wondering if there are any gotchas hiding out there |
| 14:40.59 | prpplague | ~lart isenbeck |
| 14:41.07 | philv | mornin' |
| 14:41.12 | jbevren | prpplague: not really |
| 14:41.12 | prpplague | philv: hey hey |
| 14:41.15 | jbevren | I just use mine for HID |
| 14:41.24 | prpplague | jbevren: which stack are you using? |
| 14:41.27 | jbevren | bluez |
| 14:41.32 | philv | hi prpplague how's it going? |
| 14:41.58 | jbevren | prpplague: the only 'tricky' part is resetting the mouse/kbd between computers ;) |
| 14:42.08 | jbevren | that, and all of my dongles have a 11:11 (etc) mac |
| 14:42.09 | prpplague | philv: ssdd just higher and stinkier |
| 14:42.39 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh |
| 14:42.50 | jbevren | prpplague: you can set the mac addr though |
| 14:44.36 | prpplague | http://news.com.com/2061-10795_3-6131105.html |
| 14:46.03 | philv | Anyone here ever made a DDR controller in an FPGA? |
| 14:46.07 | prpplague | i like what welte does on protecting the GPL, but he doesn't realize that most companies don't pay their employees to prepare patches and make "ure code will be portable to different varieties of processors" since most companies only care about making _their_ product work |
| 14:46.24 | prpplague | philv: i think davidc has |
| 14:46.38 | jbevren | philv: opencores.org? |
| 14:47.08 | philv | jbevren: the ones I've found have done it the wrong way |
| 14:47.15 | philv | prpplague: I'll have to ask him |
| 14:47.21 | jbevren | philv: ah |
| 14:47.39 | philv | I'm trying to figure out the best way to make dqs hit the signal eye without just shifting the reference clock 270 degrees |
| 14:47.48 | philv | And using the reference clock |
| 14:47.55 | philv | Because that doesn't work at > 200Mhz |
| 14:47.57 | philv | *MHz |
| 14:54.21 | wmat | prpplague: newly GPL'd code can be a benefit for to OSS community is when it's been written by people who are already respected hackers in the OSS world already; that is, it's written by someone who actually cares about it's quality |
| 14:56.33 | philv | I'll just state for the record that Nortel requires code submissions to OSS trees we maintain internally and externally work across certain platforms and don't break other things |
| 14:56.44 | philv | We're shockingly open source friendly |
| 14:57.52 | prpplague | wmat: yea, good OSS code generally requires someone be passionate about contributing back to OSS |
| 14:58.29 | prpplague | wmat: but like alot of our drivers at aml, there is no reason for us to submit them, as the only work on our hardware |
| 14:59.03 | prpplague | wmat: and when we have product deadlines, management isn't interested in making sure our keyboard driver works with a x86 system |
| 15:00.27 | prpplague | wmat: i hear what he is saying, but i'm also a realist, time is money, and it takes time to make great code as well as it get it submitted upstream |
| 15:02.04 | wmat | prpplague: yeah, it's a fine balance |
| 15:05.56 | wmat | he also say: "I just have the constant feeling that many people are driven by misconceptions, and nobody outside the hacker community really knows what's going on on a technical level." |
| 15:06.47 | wmat | i'm not sure i buy that |
| 15:07.52 | wmat | i know lots of really smart people who are not participants in the GPL'd code hacker community who understand things on a technical level perfectly |
| 15:09.01 | wmat | I'd be more interested in understanding where innovation comes from |
| 15:10.20 | prpplague | wmat: yea, i find that alot of people have an understanding of the techincal, and the main issue is that they are not aware of the is the "proper" way to work with specific groups inside the OSS community |
| 15:10.27 | prpplague | wmat: like patch submission |
| 15:10.38 | prpplague | wmat: it varies from subsystem to subsystem |
| 15:10.48 | wmat | yeah |
| 15:10.58 | prpplague | wmat: i.e. look at the difference between linux-mtd and the arm-linux patch methods |
| 15:11.15 | philv | You know what hurts me with OSS (and this is a bit off topic), is that a lot of OSS developers don't seem to understand how to deal with companies |
| 15:11.25 | prpplague | unless you;ve been hanging around on those specific mailing lists and really spending time you aren't gonna be able to get it right |
| 15:11.39 | prpplague | philv: agreed |
| 15:12.10 | wmat | philv: most of the big kernel contributors all work for big corps though |
| 15:12.22 | prpplague | philv: we have several junior programmers that are OSS advocates and i often have to rein them in because of their inexperience in dealing in the company aspects of the software |
| 15:12.41 | prpplague | wmat: and thats what they are paid to do |
| 15:12.42 | philv | Yup! |
| 15:13.11 | philv | wmat: but I see as many griping about companies like nVidia and A[TI|MD], threatening them if they don't release documentation, etc. |
| 15:13.34 | philv | THe reality is with most companies you're going to have to show them that you're going to improve their bottom line if they do X or Y |
| 15:13.44 | prpplague | exactly |
| 15:13.45 | wmat | i agree with that |
| 15:14.27 | philv | Anyways, just had to mention that. |
| 15:14.45 | wmat | it all makes my head hurt |
| 15:14.54 | philv | Since as a small-time developer I've managed to get NDAs with some big companies that people traditionally consider Linux-hostile, I just shake my head |
| 15:14.57 | prpplague | philv: a good example is the fact that Cisco is STILL marketing LEAP |
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| 15:15.13 | LyosNorezel | hey prpplague |
| 15:15.26 | philv | LEAP, hehe |
| 15:15.32 | prpplague | philv: our junior programmers say "thats silly its a broken and insecure, why don't they just use SSH" |
| 15:15.58 | prpplague | philv: and that may be true, but its what cisco sold these people and thats what they understand |
| 15:16.09 | philv | Yup. |
| 15:16.15 | prpplague | philv: so as silly as it seems, for us as a business, thats what we have to do |
| 15:16.25 | wmat | yep |
| 15:16.26 | philv | Yessir. |
| 15:16.29 | prpplague | might not make good OSS or security sense, but its business |
| 15:16.30 | philv | :D |
| 15:16.45 | wmat | i see that everyday in the insurance/financial services world |
| 15:16.59 | philv | I think what the OSS community needs to do (and I am starting to see this) is convince the business world that there is money to be made in OSS |
| 15:17.10 | chouimat | morning ... |
| 15:17.16 | philv | morning chouimat |
| 15:17.33 | LyosNorezel | anyone know where I can find a kit of SMT capacitors/resistors/etc? |
| 15:17.34 | wmat | philv: it always comes back to the bottom line in the end |
| 15:17.47 | prpplague | philv: i think alot already see that, what the majority don't see is the value of contributing back to OSS |
| 15:18.02 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: iirc jameco sells a kit |
| 15:18.04 | chouimat | philv: guess what I allready want to kill someone :( |
| 15:18.17 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: thanks... will check |
| 15:18.37 | wmat | chouimat: me too! |
| 15:18.42 | philv | prpplague: that's the next "fight" to be fought... but I was heartened to learn Nortel's OSS policy, and I hope other companies take similar ones |
| 15:18.52 | philv | chouimat: oooh, what happened today? |
| 15:19.50 | prpplague | philv: yea, when i started at AML the company policy was no patch submissions |
| 15:20.04 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=156881 |
| 15:20.22 | philv | prpplague: ouch :( |
| 15:20.45 | wmat | i love how the contract staff (me) never gets introduced to new permanent hires around here :( |
| 15:20.54 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 15:21.03 | wmat | and this new guy sits right beside me |
| 15:21.33 | LyosNorezel | 100USD for a kit?!?!?!?!? |
| 15:21.50 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: thats 11k of resistors |
| 15:21.58 | chouimat | philv: I explained with some example the the thing can't be parsed with tools that generate lr(1) and lalr(1) parsers ... I told him we need k tokens lookahead and also told him it's not because the language is look trivial it's parseable look at c++ with need k=infinite and the language is kind of like it ... he told me my argumentation wasn't good ... so I had to find a solution and not stupid excuses ... so I replied that I can't do it with the |
| 15:21.58 | chouimat | mandatory tools and I will ship back the development board and to go fsck himself ... that I quit the project |
| 15:22.21 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: thats less that $.01 each |
| 15:22.24 | philv | Oh woah |
| 15:22.32 | philv | chouimat: early morning drama :X |
| 15:23.08 | prpplague | chouimat: jeeze |
| 15:23.12 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: still... that's expensive for a poor student |
| 15:23.29 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: hardware dev is expensive |
| 15:23.54 | chouimat | prpplague: I had in his head to have me use flex/bison or flex/lemon but I can't do the job with them and I won't hack them or had backtracking to them |
| 15:24.02 | LyosNorezel | OUCH |
| 15:24.49 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: and thats not counting what i get as freebies from work |
| 15:25.37 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: where do ye work? |
| 15:26.14 | prpplague | http://www.amltd.com |
| 15:26.14 | philv | There was that month I bought all those Virtex II Pros... |
| 15:26.16 | philv | :X |
| 15:26.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:27.11 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: anyway ye can get me a small kit of SMT components? |
| 15:27.27 | prpplague | doubt it |
| 15:27.38 | LyosNorezel | damn |
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| 15:28.29 | chouimat | wmat: http://america.renesas.com/fmwk.jsp?cnt=superh_family_landing.jsp&fp=/products/mpumcu/superh_family |
| 15:28.32 | chouimat | maybe |
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| 15:30.26 | LyosNorezel | oiy... it looks like it'd be cheaper to use through hole components |
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| 15:39.02 | wmat | chouimat: thx but I don't think they are selling dev kits |
| 15:39.09 | wmat | boards i mean |
| 15:40.36 | LyosNorezel | hmmm |
| 15:40.39 | LyosNorezel | Sierra Wireless 1200307 SMT IF Component 50pc Lot |
| 15:40.47 | LyosNorezel | http://cgi.ebay.com/Sierra-Wireless-1200307-SMT-IF-Component-50pc-Lot_W0QQitemZ150050901215QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4663QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 15:40.55 | LyosNorezel | not quite sure what that is |
| 15:46.13 | LyosNorezel | anyone have any idea? |
| 15:46.33 | prpplague | GSM |
| 15:47.04 | LyosNorezel | worth anything? |
| 15:48.01 | prpplague | probably to someone |
| 15:49.04 | jbevren | not to me :) |
| 15:49.17 | LyosNorezel | heh |
| 15:49.30 | LyosNorezel | GSM as in the cell phone tech? |
| 15:50.14 | jbevren | Groucho Samuel Marx. |
| 15:50.18 | jbevren | hehe j/k |
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| 15:51.22 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: yea |
| 15:51.29 | prpplague | isenbeck: re |
| 15:52.36 | chouimat | wmat: http://www.shlinux.com/products/ |
| 15:58.18 | LyosNorezel | know where I can find a chart to help decipher the markings on SMT packages? |
| 15:59.08 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: none exists |
| 15:59.22 | LyosNorezel | 0.O |
| 15:59.27 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: most smt markings are just for production |
| 15:59.44 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: they generally have nothing to do with the actual value of the device |
| 16:00.34 | LyosNorezel | umph |
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| 16:02.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ho ho ho |
| 16:03.03 | philv | Anyone happen to know if VME ever had 3 connectors, or if it was only 2 connectors? |
| 16:04.56 | jbevren | philv: Sun's VME implementation had 3 |
| 16:05.04 | jbevren | prpplague: cross-platform system bus |
| 16:05.17 | jbevren | philv: otherwise, 2 |
| 16:05.46 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh |
| 16:07.15 | LyosNorezel | so... how does one figure out the capacitance of a unknown SMT capacitor? |
| 16:07.50 | prpplague | hehe, i have often asked myself the same question |
| 16:07.56 | wmat | chouimat: they're not available for purchase by individuals |
| 16:08.03 | wmat | and they're old |
| 16:08.03 | prpplague | you can get a cap tested |
| 16:08.20 | prpplague | s/tested/tester |
| 16:08.28 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: where? price? |
| 16:08.52 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: http://elm-chan.org/works/cmc/report.html |
| 16:10.08 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=222527 |
| 16:10.57 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: there are a number of multimeters available at jameco that have cap support |
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| 16:13.59 | chouimat | prpplague: ETA for the enc28j60 linux 2.6 spi driver? |
| 16:14.02 | CosmicPenguin | hey |
| 16:15.17 | isenbeck | prpplague, kewl.......are u trying to tell me something ? |
| 16:15.33 | prpplague | chouimat: soon, probably in about 2 weeks or less |
| 16:15.43 | prpplague | chouimat: been a little busy lately |
| 16:16.31 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe, "re" is kind of like "welcome back" |
| 16:16.33 | chouimat | prpplague: just asking ... I might get the olymex board and try to hook it to my DC |
| 16:17.09 | prpplague | chouimat: you'll need a couple extra components, and i;ve not gone over the list to make sure we have correct voltage translation yet |
| 16:17.23 | isenbeck | prpplague, yeah i got boted off.......freakin' comcast is flaky |
| 16:17.41 | prpplague | chouimat: are you asking about the generic enc28j60 driver? or one specific for the DC? |
| 16:17.55 | chouimat | prpplague: it won't be before xmas ... the generic |
| 16:18.08 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh ok |
| 16:19.06 | chouimat | prpplague: it will depend how soon the moron will beg me to get back in the project ... I'm the last software engineer who want to work with him ... :) |
| 16:19.33 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 16:20.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did you read this - http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/10/19/1555221.shtml?tid=37 |
| 16:21.28 | chouimat | prpplague: and thinking about this I think it's time to finish my email server installation :) |
| 16:22.47 | prpplague | "Iran's tourism department will pay $20 per person to those who attract European or American tourists to the country," the agency on Tuesday quoted Mohammed Sharif Malakzadeh, deputy head of the department, as saying. |
| 16:23.09 | prpplague | oh yea, i'll visit iran for $20 ...... NOT |
| 16:26.17 | jbevren | Honorable Mr. Malakzadeh, Please make Iran worth visiting. Thanks, Me. |
| 16:27.46 | prpplague | hard to believe that 1500 years ago that part of the world was the center of learning and philosphy |
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| 16:36.12 | LyosNorezel | oh FFS |
| 16:36.39 | jbevren | honestly, who would feel safe in iran |
| 16:36.42 | LyosNorezel | linux looses yet another promising tech |
| 16:36.59 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: ?? |
| 16:37.15 | prpplague | jbevren: who would |
| 16:37.36 | jbevren | Honorable Mr. Malakzadeh, Please make Iran safe for visiting. Thanks, Me. |
| 16:37.37 | jbevren | hehe :) |
| 16:37.44 | prpplague | jbevren: i grew up watching the news abou the iran hostage crisis |
| 16:37.53 | jbevren | nod |
| 16:37.53 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: the article you linked above |
| 16:38.09 | jbevren | granted, its probably not as unsafe as the media purports |
| 16:38.13 | jbevren | but I'd still not feel safe |
| 16:38.14 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: oh, for the elan home stuff? |
| 16:39.43 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: da |
| 16:40.53 | isenbeck | prpplague, just found a copy of tiny term in my old tech binder |
| 16:41.57 | prpplague | isenbeck: haha /me points to CosmicPenguin and laughs |
| 16:48.16 | CosmicPenguin | I have nothing to do with that |
| 16:48.27 | CosmicPenguin | I was an innocent bystander |
| 16:49.05 | isenbeck | CosmicPenguin, is implicated.......... |
| 16:51.36 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe, CosmicPenguin was the head code monkey at century software for awhile |
| 16:51.44 | prpplague | isenbeck: he got to have lots of fun with TT |
| 16:51.58 | isenbeck | prpplague, lovely.............. |
| 16:52.36 | philv | What, Windows Vista is delayed AGAIN |
| 16:52.43 | CosmicPenguin | not so much - I didn't do much TT |
| 16:53.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: can't play with elephant crap and not get any on you |
| 17:27.16 | chouimat | I would laugh if it wasn't the fact he's a friend |
| 17:33.05 | *** join/#edev infoclog (n=Viktough@e179254026.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:34.32 | wmat | chouimat: all of my friends are delusional, but then again, i don't work with them |
| 17:34.40 | CosmicPenguin | pull out the USB snoopy, here's a toy to hack |
| 17:34.42 | CosmicPenguin | http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00188 |
| 17:36.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 17:40.04 | wmat | no LPI is considering putting out an Embedded certification next year |
| 17:40.54 | wmat | I told my friend from LPI to make it extremely difficult, required renewal, require code samples, and require industry experience |
| 17:42.23 | chouimat | wmat: I'm currently translating the email in english so my shrink can understand it later this afternoon ... he asked me to note all the thing the piss me off or depress me for this week |
| 17:44.02 | chouimat | wmat and it's actualy a good exercise for me ... I'm improving my english skills :) |
| 17:44.48 | wmat | is it in french? |
| 17:44.53 | chouimat | yes |
| 17:45.12 | wmat | i would never have guessed your english skills were lacking |
| 17:45.52 | chouimat | wmat: only when I drunk or type too fast ... but it's the same thing for french anyway ... and sometimes my mind work too fast for my hands :) |
| 17:47.00 | wmat | heh |
| 17:48.13 | wmat | i drink Labatt 50 as my domestic beer of choice and I get asked why a lot |
| 17:48.21 | wmat | so I tell people I'm from quebec |
| 17:48.41 | chouimat | wmat: ewwww 50 ... |
| 17:48.48 | wmat | i get that a lot too |
| 17:49.12 | chouimat | wmat: and I'm from Quebec :) |
| 17:49.22 | wmat | haha |
| 17:50.27 | prpplague | wmat: double ewww |
| 17:51.11 | prpplague | lordy lordy , if i make it through the next 90 days without going completely insane, it will be a miracle |
| 17:54.09 | philv | Why 90 days? |
| 17:55.34 | CosmicPenguin | Thats when he gets his tracking bracelet removed |
| 17:55.40 | jbevren | lol |
| 17:57.11 | prpplague | philv: moving |
| 17:57.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://images.cars.com/actual/supersized/DMI/21899/2T278410.jpg |
| 17:57.33 | CosmicPenguin | ahh geez |
| 17:57.34 | philv | prpplague: Oh I thought it was sooner than that |
| 17:57.35 | CosmicPenguin | thats so sad |
| 17:57.57 | prpplague | philv: yea, end of this month, but its gonna take a month or so to get settled |
| 17:58.05 | philv | Ahh |
| 17:58.22 | prpplague | philv: you know, stuff like, kids to schoo, phone, cable, electric, mailing address, drivers license |
| 17:58.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't like that one? |
| 17:58.51 | CosmicPenguin | Not a PT Cruiser fan at all |
| 17:58.55 | prpplague | oh |
| 17:59.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just don't like the looks? |
| 18:09.19 | wmat | prpplague: too bad your not here, I have a sweet Jeep TJ to get rid of |
| 18:09.43 | prpplague | no thanks |
| 18:10.16 | prpplague | doesn't |
| 18:15.51 | wmat | meh, jeeps rule |
| 18:18.34 | prpplague | wmat: just not my style |
| 18:18.53 | wmat | heh, i guess i feel the same way about PT Cruisers |
| 18:19.01 | wmat | although, that flame job is nice ;) |
| 18:19.06 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 18:19.23 | prpplague | wmat: i really miss my four door ford escort :( |
| 18:20.28 | wmat | yeah, i miss my civic actually |
| 18:20.51 | prpplague | wmat: my ex-wife got my ford escort in the divorce :( |
| 18:23.57 | isenbeck | prpplague, whatever happened to your cherokee ? |
| 18:24.07 | isenbeck | you know I have one now |
| 18:24.28 | prpplague | isenbeck: yea, thats the one that gave me a bad taste for jeeps |
| 18:24.31 | prpplague | isenbeck: sold it off |
| 18:24.41 | prpplague | isenbeck: had all kinds of problems with it |
| 18:25.36 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:25.39 | jbevren | my niece's cherokee |
| 18:25.44 | jbevren | the fuel line came off the tank |
| 18:25.46 | jbevren | while driving |
| 18:25.48 | isenbeck | I replaced a brake caliper in te parking lot of autozone |
| 18:25.52 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:25.53 | isenbeck | monday |
| 18:26.13 | isenbeck | jbevren, yikes |
| 18:26.37 | jbevren | isenbeck: and since the pum's on the tank |
| 18:26.43 | prpplague | isenbeck: i replaced the head gasket and the oil pan gasket twice in just one year |
| 18:26.44 | jbevren | it proceeded to pump all the fuel onto the street |
| 18:26.50 | jbevren | she just filled it |
| 18:27.02 | prpplague | jbevren: lucky you didn't get a ticket |
| 18:27.51 | jbevren | prpplague: not really. The police in that town are too busy harassing people with long hair or wearing the wrong clothes |
| 18:28.06 | jbevren | amateur profilers |
| 18:28.07 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:28.38 | prpplague | jbevren: probably would have gotten a ticket in texas |
| 18:28.52 | jbevren | prpplague: probably |
| 18:29.27 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 18:29.51 | prpplague | this move is turning out to be one of the most stressful things i've ever done |
| 18:30.11 | prpplague | if it was just me, it wouldn't be so bad, but i have to worry about the family and all |
| 18:30.16 | jbevren | nod |
| 18:31.45 | wmat | prpplague: moves definitely suck |
| 18:32.07 | wmat | my soon to be unemployed wife just emailed me to suggest moving back to northern ontario |
| 18:32.38 | wmat | where the only work consists of mining or drug dealing ;) |
| 18:32.47 | jbevren | Sure. Let me just drop my career for your convenience. |
| 18:33.05 | wmat | hnce my desire to find remote work |
| 18:37.46 | isenbeck | wmat, www.guru.com |
| 18:46.27 | prpplague | isenbeck: @#$@#$@# |
| 18:46.45 | prpplague | isenbeck: i think i would just about kill for a whataburger or sonic burger right about now |
| 18:46.50 | isenbeck | prpplague, I knew I could get a response from you on hat one |
| 18:47.11 | isenbeck | oh man.............there are no whataburgers here |
| 18:47.18 | isenbeck | that is better than sonic i think |
| 18:49.51 | wmat | isenbeck: thx. I've looked at that one, rent-a-coder as well as Odesk |
| 18:50.04 | wmat | I even signed up for Odesk but haven't bid on anything yet |
| 18:50.20 | prpplague | isenbeck: yea |
| 18:50.40 | isenbeck | wmat I have considered these places lately |
| 18:50.45 | wmat | the problem is, I'll think a job is worth $85/hour and I'll see the winning bid at $9/hour by some guy in an eastern block country |
| 18:50.54 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:50.57 | isenbeck | Working for yourself is def* where it is at |
| 18:51.30 | wmat | i do now |
| 18:51.36 | isenbeck | wmat, you need to inventory all of your projects and make a portfolio that the potential customer can view online |
| 18:51.50 | isenbeck | ie a website |
| 18:51.52 | wmat | but living rurally will make the remote work a requirement |
| 18:52.08 | isenbeck | I live in Fort Necessity Louisiana |
| 18:52.12 | wmat | isenbeck: yea, I've got that on my list of todo's ;) |
| 18:52.25 | wmat | where? |
| 18:52.32 | isenbeck | wmat, population 130.no kidding |
| 18:52.35 | wmat | wow |
| 18:52.41 | isenbeck | yeah |
| 18:52.50 | isenbeck | but i do work for folks all over the country |
| 18:52.54 | wmat | I once had a van break down in Panchatoola (sp?) |
| 18:53.06 | isenbeck | I have DSL there though......... |
| 18:53.19 | isenbeck | wmat, close enough |
| 18:53.40 | wmat | isenbeck: you doing straight embedded dev? |
| 18:53.56 | isenbeck | negative..............I am a network eng... |
| 18:54.14 | wmat | and do you have to travel much? |
| 18:54.44 | isenbeck | I only bid on jobs that I can do from my hoe or office |
| 18:54.49 | isenbeck | troubleshoot a linux server...........or a router.... |
| 18:54.56 | wmat | through guru? |
| 18:55.03 | isenbeck | wmat, yep |
| 18:55.17 | wmat | interesting |
| 18:55.23 | prpplague | ~slashdot |
| 18:55.25 | isenbeck | wmat, I really need to get my portfolio together too |
| 18:55.40 | wmat | i've seen 12 month Linux admin contracts on Odesk |
| 18:55.57 | isenbeck | wmat, yes sir............... |
| 18:56.25 | wmat | isenbeck: we need a network of guys like us to exchange work with. i.e. I can't do X, but I know a guy who can, etc. |
| 18:56.26 | isenbeck | wmat, and with fuel the way it is.........you make the customer fly you there when nec*...or pay 44 cents per mile |
| 18:56.49 | isenbeck | wmat, an IT co-op....... |
| 18:57.14 | wmat | I'm not sure exactly, but a small referral network if you will |
| 18:58.20 | prpplague | wmat: hehe, isenbeck used to do that alot |
| 18:58.51 | prpplague | wmat: when we worked for abcsinc, customers would not even blink about getting you an on-demand plane ticket |
| 18:59.14 | isenbeck | no kidding..........man i don't miss that |
| 18:59.40 | wmat | i'd prefer to travel at a bare minimum; it's enough that I have to goto a few conferences this year |
| 18:59.41 | prpplague | i do, hehe |
| 19:00.01 | prpplague | wmat: jeeze, i wish i could go to conferences |
| 19:00.10 | prpplague | wmat: aml doesn't pay for conferences :( |
| 19:00.38 | wmat | prpplague: incorporate, do some side contracts, then pay for yourself at a 100% write-off |
| 19:00.56 | LyosNorezel | http://images.cars.com/actual/supersized/DMI/21899/2T278410.jpg <- fecking Nazi car |
| 19:01.15 | prpplague | wmat: uh i have a full time job |
| 19:01.26 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: what? |
| 19:01.34 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: why is that a nazi car? |
| 19:01.59 | jbevren | It's stupid, but not nazi :) |
| 19:02.04 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: the Nazi's were the first to use that design |
| 19:02.11 | jbevren | I mean, they could have at least made teh bumper black |
| 19:02.12 | chouimat | so ?? |
| 19:02.13 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: the flames? |
| 19:02.23 | jbevren | LyosNorezel: what do you think of the swastika? |
| 19:02.27 | LyosNorezel | no... the design of the car itself |
| 19:02.36 | jbevren | did you know that boy scouts used to wear them before nazi germany? : |
| 19:02.37 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.38 | chouimat | prpplague: I think they used it on the stucka bomber iirc |
| 19:03.21 | prpplague | jbevren: and its a common design in bath and fireplace tiles made before 1920's |
| 19:03.54 | chouimat | jbevren: and a sign used for millena in the hindu religion ... |
| 19:04.16 | chouimat | except that the nazi inverter the sign |
| 19:04.49 | jbevren | chouimat: one of good luck :) |
| 19:05.01 | jbevren | chouimat: Hitler must have been dyslexic |
| 19:05.01 | chouimat | yup |
| 19:05.09 | chouimat | jbevren: hehe |
| 19:05.35 | philv | Oooh |
| 19:05.35 | philv | Today just got fun |
| 19:05.39 | philv | I have to clean up some legacy Ada code |
| 19:05.48 | chouimat | philv: cool :) |
| 19:06.00 | LyosNorezel | meh... when I first heard of the swastika being described as a 'broken cross' I thought 'what a good idea... let's go find some crosses to break' |
| 19:06.02 | chouimat | philv: at least you will be able to understand the code |
| 19:06.53 | LyosNorezel | <- is an atheist |
| 19:06.55 | philv | I actually really like Ada, hehe |
| 19:07.18 | philv | <- is a Pastafarian |
| 19:07.30 | prpplague | philv: pasta? |
| 19:07.37 | LyosNorezel | ?? |
| 19:07.39 | chouimat | FSM? |
| 19:08.18 | philv | http://www.venganza.org/ |
| 19:09.01 | LyosNorezel | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! |
| 19:09.21 | chouimat | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Church_of_God_the_Wholly_Incompetent |
| 19:09.26 | chouimat | this one if for me ^^^^ |
| 19:09.40 | philv | Hehe |
| 19:09.42 | prpplague | interesting |
| 19:10.35 | LyosNorezel | *gasp* sides splitting *gasp* |
| 19:13.38 | chouimat | philv: and this one is a good read too http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Jebus |
| 19:19.53 | LyosNorezel | too funny |
| 19:23.05 | isenbeck | that is hilarious....... |
| 19:24.10 | prpplague | jbevren: you using the bluetooth dongles from sfe? |
| 19:26.05 | jbevren | I got them there, but the model I have isnt sold anymore |
| 19:26.07 | prpplague | wmat: looks like elinux.org web site is basically going to become THE wiki |
| 19:27.18 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe, easy way to get emergency room service faster, wear bdu's with a border patrol patch |
| 19:28.25 | wmat | prpplague: that's the hope |
| 19:29.14 | wmat | anyone know if that See MIPS Run Linux book is any good? |
| 19:29.25 | philv | I know See MIPS Run is excellent |
| 19:29.31 | philv | And Dom is a really cool guy (so I'll buy it) |
| 19:29.44 | wmat | philv: thx |
| 19:30.03 | jbevren | afk |
| 19:30.16 | wmat | prpplague: you OK with that? |
| 19:30.55 | prpplague | wmat: yea, just have to get used to the new wiki |
| 19:31.11 | philv | Dom has to be one of the more talented technical writers out there |
| 19:31.26 | prpplague | wmat: just a little nervous about the changes |
| 19:31.30 | philv | Only he and John Hennessey/David Patterson can keep my attention, and the latter is because of respect, I suspect. |
| 19:31.38 | wmat | prpplague: I currently writing an O'Reillu book in the hack series called "Wife Hacks for Geeks" |
| 19:32.10 | wmat | It's one page, it just says "Impossible" |
| 19:32.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:32.41 | wmat | philv: I'm always on the look out for useful books, as I have a pile of useless ones |
| 19:33.34 | prpplague | wmat: yea, seems like someone's web site had a nice page for usefull books, but i can't seem to find it again |
| 19:33.49 | prpplague | actually it might have been sfe |
| 19:33.53 | philv | wmat: I've got 3 that are always on my desk -- See MIPS Run, Computer Architecture: A Quantitative Approach and Digital Integrated Circuits: A Design Perspective |
| 19:34.55 | philv | And I guess this course manual for an old course on IP |
| 19:35.05 | philv | But that's a binder so it doesn't count ;) |
| 19:36.05 | wmat | the Expert C book, the 'fish' book |
| 19:36.11 | philv | Hehe K&R |
| 19:36.32 | isenbeck | prpplague, heh |
| 19:36.33 | philv | I've got c99 but that's more on my computer's desktop |
| 19:37.08 | philv | Oh I have Strstroup's C++ book |
| 19:37.12 | philv | And 7 Habits of Highly Effective People |
| 19:37.17 | philv | But I have the latter two as ornaments |
| 19:37.52 | philv | OOOh |
| 19:37.55 | philv | And the box of 8" floppy disks |
| 19:38.00 | philv | Can't forget that ;) |
| 19:38.05 | wmat | heh |
| 19:41.14 | CosmicPenguin | of course, the stevens books are assumed |
| 19:42.52 | prpplague | i can't seem to remember what site it was. there was a tech site that had a picture of their book case, and when you ran your cursor across the book it provided infomation on the book |
| 19:43.06 | prpplague | had all of the good embedded dev and linux books |
| 19:43.39 | wmat | google doesn't know? |
| 19:44.32 | prpplague | can't seem to find the right combination of words to find it |
| 19:45.35 | prpplague | i keep thinking its simtec but i don't see it on their website |
| 19:50.20 | prpplague | wmat: HA it was simtec |
| 19:50.22 | prpplague | wmat: http://www.simtec.co.uk/appnotes/AN0017/ |
| 19:50.59 | wmat | neat |
| 19:51.54 | prpplague | wmat: hehe "here is our bookshelf electronics and programming" for google is what finally found it |
| 19:52.48 | wmat | nice |
| 19:53.04 | wmat | i googled "hackers bookshelf" and got a bunch of links to amazon lists |
| 19:54.10 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:54.28 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 19:54.41 | prpplague | jbevren: pixter-mm is booting on the new dev board |
| 19:54.54 | prpplague | jbevren: gotta wire up the nor flash now |
| 19:55.29 | prpplague | jbevren: gonna use a TE28F320 on some protoboards |
| 19:55.41 | prpplague | jbevren: i have three made up so i can swap them out |
| 19:56.56 | prpplague | jbevren: i kept the upper half of the pixter-mm together and just drilled two holes in the plastic so can screw it to the board |
| 20:03.43 | prpplague | jbevren: once i get it booting from the nor flash, gonna add the enc28j60 to it |
| 20:04.04 | prpplague | jbevren: or atleast thats what i'm thinking right now |
| 20:06.53 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 20:16.24 | isenbeck | wmat, i gotta redesign a network for a drug rehab place |
| 20:16.35 | isenbeck | it is going in my portf* |
| 20:17.03 | isenbeck | wmat, new server......new router.new cabling.new wifi |
| 20:18.48 | wmat | isenbeck: very nice |
| 20:20.37 | isenbeck | wmat, all of the folks there look so sad..... |
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| 20:26.55 | wmat | isenbeck: at the drug rehab place? |
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| 21:21.21 | LyosNorezel | wb prpplague |
| 21:21.49 | prpplague | thnx |
| 21:24.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: http://slashdot.org/articles/06/11/01/1637239.shtml |
| 21:24.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: another reason to be fearful of doing CE development |
| 21:25.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmmmmmm |
| 21:25.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: good point |
| 21:25.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its just becoming more of a problem as of late |
| 21:25.56 | CosmicPenguin | Even if its protected by a click through, just being that close to the information could be potentially dangerous |
| 21:26.08 | CosmicPenguin | not that you're going to figure out how to travel through time and cure cancer by reading the CE source |
| 21:26.13 | CosmicPenguin | from what my co-workers tell me |
| 21:26.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 21:26.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, problem is we are getting alot more requests for windows ce and pocket pc |
| 21:27.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: M$ has locked in a lot of vendors to the their wince/ppc applications |
| 21:27.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we've lost alot of sales lately because there is no linux client available for their package |
| 21:28.04 | CosmicPenguin | thats why they're a 80 zillion dollar company, and we're drinking generic diet cola |
| 21:29.44 | prpplague | yea, its back to what we were talking about earlier today, i don't understand how some vendor can lock themselves into using a sole product like that, but hey, its business |
| 21:34.48 | prpplague | i swear the worst part of being here has been the isolation |
| 21:34.55 | prpplague | without irc i would have gone insane |
| 21:45.35 | wmat | prpplague: that's how I feel in this current job ;) |
| 21:45.57 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:46.05 | prpplague | wmat: its pretty bad here |
| 21:46.26 | prpplague | wmat: there aren't more than a handful of geeks on the island |
| 21:46.56 | wmat | heh, same here |
| 21:47.10 | wmat | and I'm in one of the biggest IT areas in this region |
| 21:47.13 | wmat | heh |
| 21:48.53 | prpplague | wow |
| 21:49.21 | prpplague | atleast its easy to get electronics and books |
| 21:49.27 | prpplague | for you i mean |
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| 22:59.17 | isenbeck | wmat, yeah at rehab......... |
| 23:20.34 | prpplague | isenbeck: man i'd like to know the question that was the answer to |
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| 23:55.26 | T0mW | prpplague: ping |
| 23:55.40 | prpplague | T0mW: pong |
| 23:56.02 | T0mW | prpplague: on the ENC28J60, I have question about the two interrupt lines |
| 23:56.31 | prpplague | NOTE: dave has consumed a number of beers this evening |
| 23:56.33 | T0mW | prpplague: the thing has EINT and WINT, are both necessary to implement |
| 23:56.51 | prpplague | T0mW: no, the WINT is just for support of wake-on-lan signal |
| 23:56.59 | prpplague | T0mW: EINT is the only require int |
| 23:57.22 | T0mW | prpplague: it looks like the WOL (WINT) is more of added feature and that it can be elimitated, so long as you implement the EINT? |
| 23:57.49 | prpplague | T0mW: correct, are you familiar with WOL ? |
| 23:57.53 | T0mW | prpplague: how about wiring them together? Can you read registers to find out which one tripped? |
| 23:58.46 | prpplague | T0mW: WINT isn't even connected on our design |
| 23:58.53 | T0mW | prpplague: essentially, more like "the cable was plugged in", "someone send a broadcast packet", etc. WOL seems to be where you could put the interface into a filter mode and forget about all packets until some condition is met. |
| 23:58.54 | prpplague | T0mW: we don't use it |
| 23:59.04 | prpplague | T0mW: naw |
| 23:59.26 | prpplague | T0mW: it uses a protocol to tell the device to "turn on" |
| 23:59.41 | prpplague | T0mW: basically a remote power on function |
| 23:59.43 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, there are only 3 interrupt inputs available in this board of mine, and I need all three: two SPI UARTS + ENC28J60 |
