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| 02:54.30 | fog_proxy | Does anybody have experience with squashfs? |
| 02:55.42 | fog_proxy | When using squashfs, I meet problems when do upgrading. Since new fw has overwrite the old data, 'reboot' not works then |
| 02:56.17 | CosmicPenguin | yep - thats a problem |
| 02:57.00 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: any solutions? |
| 02:57.36 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: I have tried to static link the problem, but still not work stable |
| 02:58.05 | CosmicPenguin | well - obviously if the underlaying filesystem changes, there is nothing you can do |
| 02:58.47 | CosmicPenguin | you'll need to get all your reboot utilities on a temporary filesystem and then switch the root to that |
| 02:59.00 | CosmicPenguin | or change your flash utility to do a reset when its done |
| 03:00.54 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: as I known, to do reboot there are only two way: 'kill(1)' or just call busybox 'reboot' command. how flash utility to do a reset without that? |
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| 03:01.42 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: I also tried to copy busybox to a tmpfs, and call reboot from there, but still not stable, sometimes work, sometimes fail |
| 03:02.04 | CosmicPenguin | look at the "reboot" code - thats actually a pretty simple task to emulate |
| 03:02.30 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: ah, good suggestion |
| 03:04.40 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: well, I still can't understand why static link not work, the upgrade daemon should be work in ram, not relate to filesystem |
| 03:05.09 | CosmicPenguin | remember - the file system has disappeared |
| 03:05.18 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: then? |
| 03:05.21 | CosmicPenguin | you need everything on the tmpfs that you need to do the reset |
| 03:06.57 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: hmmm... I just do http upgrade, and when that working, a cgi load in ram should handle this, it should have no relate to filesystem |
| 03:07.37 | CosmicPenguin | the files and libraries are still on the static filesystem, though |
| 03:08.40 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: since I do static link with the cgi program, libraries should be not needed, and since the cgi has been loaded to ram(just as a copy), why need files? |
| 03:09.23 | CosmicPenguin | oh - I didn't catch that you were running off of the tmpfs already |
| 03:09.49 | CosmicPenguin | In that case, you need to make sure that you switch the root filesystem to the tmpfs |
| 03:10.01 | CosmicPenguin | and unmount the squashfs to avoid any issues |
| 03:11.36 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: if I not switch to the tmpfs, what's the issue? |
| 03:11.59 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: I just think the case should be same |
| 03:12.19 | CosmicPenguin | welll - the instability of changing the rootfs will go away |
| 03:12.20 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: everything works in ram, why need file system? |
| 03:12.28 | CosmicPenguin | linux really doesn't like the rootfs to disappear |
| 03:12.57 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: you mean the kernel's issue? |
| 03:30.12 | fog_proxy | CosmicPenguin: I have read the busybox reboot, it also use 'kill'. So the problem now is, kill call a int 0x80 interrupt to kernel, if the kernel is changed, kill should be not work proper, right? |
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| 11:29.34 | ryuujin_ | hi |
| 11:29.46 | ryuujin_ | could someone help to understand some things? |
| 11:30.29 | ryuujin_ | I'm trying to build php with uclibc... but I can't resolv a problem: |
| 11:30.30 | ryuujin_ | /php-4.4.4/ext/standard/dns.c:328: undefined reference to `__dn_skipname' |
| 11:30.43 | ryuujin_ | has someone some hints about it? |
| 11:30.44 | ryuujin_ | thanks... |
| 11:30.50 | ryuujin_ | I need help.. :) |
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| 11:48.57 | ryuujin_ | could someone help me.. please? |
| 12:11.42 | ryuujin_ | thanks |
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| 12:57.07 | prpplague | sjhill: hey hey |
| 12:57.12 | prpplague | sjhill: whats cookin these days? |
| 12:58.36 | sjhill | prpplague: lots of PPC development |
| 12:58.45 | sjhill | and soon a ton of MIPS |
| 12:58.49 | sjhill | picked up another contract |
| 12:58.53 | prpplague | sjhill: cooool |
| 12:59.17 | prpplague | sjhill: doesn't self employement tax really cut into your $$? |
| 13:00.18 | sjhill | i will soon be a LLC |
| 13:01.01 | prpplague | ahh |
| 13:01.09 | sjhill | it's not too bad |
| 13:01.27 | prpplague | sjhill: i did a little consulting work last year and the SE tax was pretty high |
| 13:01.33 | prpplague | sjhill: almost made it not worth it |
| 13:01.58 | sjhill | i've been working with an accountant all along |
| 13:01.58 | prpplague | sjhill: anything interesting on the MIPS side? |
| 13:02.11 | sjhill | yeah, i can tell you more next week on that |
| 13:02.14 | prpplague | sjhill: yea i guess that helps, i was just doing it as a side project |
| 13:02.20 | prpplague | sjhill: ahh cool |
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| 13:38.01 | isenbeck | prpplague, you might want to see about so anti-biotics for that itch. |
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| 13:42.48 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe |
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| 14:15.25 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:16.30 | isenbeck | chouimat, mornin' |
| 14:18.33 | kakaroto | hi |
| 14:18.37 | kakaroto | i'm generating the toolchain for compiling the kernel for the kit lcd mARMalade with processor arm, the apparently it compiled because execute a tests |
| 14:18.44 | kakaroto | [root@neac-lcd bin]# ./arm-uclibc-gcc hello.c -o hello1 |
| 14:18.45 | kakaroto | [root@neac-lcd bin]# file hello1 |
| 14:18.45 | kakaroto | hello1: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 14:19.12 | kakaroto | the i'm building the filesystem, it would like to know which the libraries I catch of glib to place in filesystem it that I am creating? |
| 14:20.39 | kakaroto | excuse-me flood |
| 14:20.41 | kakaroto | http://rafb.net/paste/results/mWEjTW65.html |
| 14:24.34 | wmat | morning |
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| 14:33.25 | wmat | kakaroto: i'm sorry, but i don't quite understand the question |
| 14:33.36 | wmat | http://tree.celinuxforum.org/pubwiki/moin.cgi/FileSystemResources |
| 14:33.43 | wmat | check that link for info |
| 14:34.45 | kakaroto | hum i'm toh generated the toolchain with libs *.so of glibc |
| 14:36.04 | kakaroto | what files *.so inserting the filesystem it that i'm creating/ |
| 14:36.05 | kakaroto | ? |
| 14:36.06 | kakaroto | :( |
| 14:36.48 | chouimat | hi wmat isenbeck |
| 14:37.27 | kakaroto | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Z44waS13.html |
| 14:38.18 | kakaroto | wmat, all these archives? |
| 14:38.48 | kakaroto | into tree directory that i created? |
| 14:43.07 | prpplague | kakaroto: current buildroot has support for the LH79520 chip, you can use the LNODE80 target to get this |
| 14:46.39 | kakaroto | prpplague, :) thanks |
| 14:47.24 | kakaroto | this for compiling of kernel? |
| 14:47.44 | kakaroto | oh no |
| 14:47.48 | kakaroto | understand |
| 14:51.22 | isenbeck | ~hola chouimat hope the sun found you productive this am |
| 14:52.05 | wmat | prpplague: buildroot is like cheating ;) |
| 14:52.48 | prpplague | kakaroto: the lnode80 kernel is there as well and is similiar enough to the marmalade to be get working |
| 14:53.04 | prpplague | kakaroto: may i also recommend using apex instead of blob for the bootloader |
| 14:54.57 | kakaroto | prpplague, hm but he not ask into boot |
| 14:55.10 | kakaroto | accessing via minicom |
| 14:55.23 | kakaroto | the look the process of boot |
| 14:59.17 | chouimat | isenbeck: raining this morning so |
| 15:00.52 | chouimat | prpplague: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2523 |
| 15:02.30 | prpplague | kakaroto: no idea what you just said |
| 15:04.38 | wmat | chouimat: whoa |
| 15:05.14 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 15:06.38 | chouimat | wmat: prpplague I have a fun live isn't it ? :) |
| 15:07.10 | wmat | chouimat: sever ties with that person and never, ever contact them again |
| 15:08.24 | chouimat | wmat: I'm doing it ... but it have to be slowly ... I got those as reaction from I tried to quit the project |
| 15:09.42 | wmat | good luck |
| 15:10.21 | chouimat | wmat: I currently let him wrote the code ... |
| 15:10.41 | isenbeck | chouimat, what is the temp this am ? |
| 15:10.54 | wmat | it's warm here |
| 15:10.59 | chouimat | 7C and raining |
| 15:11.21 | chouimat | windows open ... my neighbors start heating at 13C |
| 15:11.26 | wmat | 8C and raining |
| 15:12.01 | wmat | http://theweathernetwork.com/weather/14day/pages/CAON0728.htm |
| 15:12.13 | wmat | looks like we'll be below zero by the end of the month |
| 15:12.48 | chouimat | wmat: long range forecast are usually crap |
| 15:15.10 | wmat | chouimat: true |
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| 16:10.42 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 16:11.04 | wmat | prpplague: keep it down, will ya |
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| 16:12.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 16:14.59 | chouimat | wmat: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Uncyclopedia:Anniversaries/November <--- look at november 7 and 8 :) |
| 16:15.51 | wmat | sfw? |
| 16:15.57 | prpplague | wmat: no |
| 16:16.08 | chouimat | sorry |
| 16:16.28 | prpplague | 1937 - Birthday of the Chupacabra |
| 16:16.29 | wmat | chouimat|away: sure it is, it's just text |
| 16:16.47 | prpplague | wmat: oh well, different text can set off different types of filters |
| 16:17.18 | wmat | true |
| 16:23.20 | chouimat|away | wmat: so missed the most interesting Canadian day ... yesterday :) |
| 16:26.30 | wmat | chouimat|away: my wife remembered ;) |
| 16:26.36 | chouimat|away | hehe |
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| 16:55.15 | prpplague | cybertheq: which vtech device are you looking at? |
| 16:55.15 | cybertheq | the Worldpad PC |
| 16:55.18 | cybertheq | see http://www.cybertheque.org/homebrew/vtech-gui |
| 16:55.43 | cybertheq | and my recent posts on comp.arch.embedded |
| 16:59.54 | philv | What's on the mainboard of that thing? |
| 17:00.18 | cybertheq | 2MB flash, 16KByte SRAM, discretes, audio amp... |
| 17:00.32 | cybertheq | COB-- unknown mcu |
| 17:00.41 | prpplague | cybertheq: thats gonna be a hard call identifing it |
| 17:00.47 | cybertheq | got the idea that it may be an eight bitter... |
| 17:00.47 | prpplague | cybertheq: still looking |
| 17:01.05 | jbevren | I cant get the site to work |
| 17:01.07 | jbevren | meh :P |
| 17:01.08 | cybertheq | remarkable full-featured GUI with standard controls. |
| 17:01.47 | cybertheq | oh, and a 4-bit uC to handle the touchpad? |
| 17:02.04 | cybertheq | has both a mouse and touchpad. |
| 17:02.22 | prpplague | interesting |
| 17:02.23 | cybertheq | 320x200xnbpp lcd -- n= either 2 or 4 -- not sure |
| 17:02.30 | prpplague | nice |
| 17:02.48 | cybertheq | if i had a fixture, i'd look at the flash chip's contents |
| 17:02.48 | prpplague | cybertheq: thats a much better resolution that other models |
| 17:02.57 | prpplague | i see that vtech is coming out with a color model too |
| 17:03.21 | cybertheq | what with their mobile device division I suppose they could move technology over to the toy side |
| 17:03.53 | prpplague | that lcd looks really nice |
| 17:03.57 | cybertheq | tried to find a jtag port... |
| 17:04.05 | prpplague | cybertheq: that model have a usb slave? |
| 17:04.11 | prpplague | cybertheq: probably not gonna find one |
| 17:04.19 | cybertheq | just rs-232, centronics parallel and the mouse port. |
| 17:04.37 | cybertheq | has keyboard buttons for external cartridge enable and digitial camera. |
| 17:05.16 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:05.24 | cybertheq | lewin edwards has said that many vtech asics have eight bit cores with winbond speech chips also on the die... |
| 17:05.28 | prpplague | cybertheq: should start a page over at elinux.org |
| 17:05.48 | prpplague | cybertheq: yea, all the ones i've looked at had 8bit cores |
| 17:05.57 | prpplague | cybertheq: alot of them were either 6502 or z80 based |
| 17:06.00 | cybertheq | if i saw the binary it would be easier to guess the cpu |
| 17:06.14 | cybertheq | i also hoped to learn if the GUI was homegrown or bought. |
| 17:06.23 | prpplague | cybertheq: i mainly gut the mb for the vtech laptops i work with |
| 17:06.31 | prpplague | cybertheq: just use the case, lcd and keyboard |
| 17:07.29 | cybertheq | ah.... how does this lcd compare? It has two asics on a driver board and very few lines going to the mainboard... |
| 17:07.45 | prpplague | its the best i've seen in resoultion and clarity |
| 17:07.53 | jbevren | is it one of those.. whats the ID.. hd7740? lcd's? |
| 17:08.05 | cybertheq | seven year old product...datecodes from 98 and 99 |
| 17:08.09 | jbevren | I'd guess smarter LCDs are more commonly used on small mcu's |
| 17:08.31 | cybertheq | i looked at 'contiki' -- it runs on z80, 6502 and 8080 |
| 17:08.37 | jbevren | yep |
| 17:08.40 | cybertheq | pretty good gui for its size. |
| 17:08.41 | jbevren | does well on the c64 :) |
| 17:08.44 | cybertheq | indeed |
| 17:08.53 | jbevren | its http behavior isnt the best |
| 17:08.56 | jbevren | but it follows standards |
| 17:09.28 | cybertheq | jbreven: ID -- on the lcd -- or chips? |
| 17:09.43 | jbevren | the LCD probably has CoB drivers (?) |
| 17:09.49 | cybertheq | yes |
| 17:09.52 | jbevren | there's a common driver type for smart lcd's |
| 17:12.19 | prpplague | cybertheq: this is the one i'm currently working with - http://preview.tinyurl.com/yhw8tp |
| 17:12.32 | cybertheq | there is a drive-support board on the back of the lcd with an lm324 and a 34063, discretes, a pot, etc. but no other id or part nos. the two cobs are on an edge board. |
| 17:12.47 | prpplague | http://tinyurl.com/yhw8tp |
| 17:12.50 | prpplague | sorry that one |
| 17:13.03 | jbevren | same page :) |
| 17:13.07 | jbevren | just one more link on preview :) |
| 17:13.16 | prpplague | cybertheq: yea thats the power supply with the bias voltage |
| 17:13.17 | cybertheq | hang on |
| 17:14.39 | cybertheq | hmm.. that display looks to be physically smaller but I'll bet the res is as good or better than this one... |
| 17:15.12 | prpplague | yea, i've not had time to do any disassebly yet |
| 17:15.18 | prpplague | other projects, hehe |
| 17:15.24 | cybertheq | for sure... |
| 17:15.38 | prpplague | cybertheq: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/PixterMultimedia |
| 17:16.02 | prpplague | cybertheq: for the vtech laptop, i'll be putting a s3c2410 inside |
| 17:17.00 | prpplague | cybertheq: i have linux booting on the pixter, just haven't finished a good dev platform for it yet |
| 17:17.01 | cybertheq | interesting project... I looked hard at the Pixter stuff, especially when a local ToysRUs folded and was liquidating stock, but never got around to getting one. |
| 17:17.21 | prpplague | cybertheq: yea, the pixter-mm is a better choice than the original pixter-color |
| 17:17.45 | prpplague | there is also some new vtech handhelds out there |
| 17:18.01 | cybertheq | wow, have you set up a site to document your linux on the Pixter project? |
| 17:18.14 | prpplague | cybertheq: yea, elinux.org |
| 17:18.20 | prpplague | cybertheq: it will all go there |
| 17:18.31 | cybertheq | what o/s is on it when stock? |
| 17:18.53 | prpplague | cybertheq: custom single threaded os |
| 17:19.11 | prpplague | cybertheq: it does appear to run in thumb mode as well |
| 17:19.35 | prpplague | cybertheq: first gen dev board - http://www.elinux.org/wiki/PixterMultimediaDeveloperBoard |
| 17:20.39 | cybertheq | prpplague: is the pixter board attached to the proto board or is this a new fab? |
| 17:21.00 | prpplague | cybertheq: the pixter mb is soldered to the protoboard |
| 17:21.06 | cybertheq | indeed. |
| 17:21.47 | prpplague | cybertheq: http://tinyurl.com/y2hzjn |
| 17:21.54 | prpplague | cybertheq: thats the vtech handheld i want to get |
| 17:23.08 | cybertheq | prpplague: yeah, our local goodwill dist center gets a lot of Target return vsmile stuff -- still haven't found the main unit though... |
| 17:23.44 | prpplague | cybertheq: "still haven't found the main unit though" ?? |
| 17:24.15 | cybertheq | prpplague: not the 'pocket' version; the 'console' version... |
| 17:24.22 | prpplague | cybertheq: ahh |
| 17:24.34 | silverpower | stupid Flash requirements. |
| 17:24.41 | cybertheq | there are a lot of accessories at the GW... |
| 17:24.43 | prpplague | silverpower: yea i know |
| 17:25.11 | cybertheq | I've been busy with the zipit: http://www.cybertheque.org/homebrew/zipit |
| 17:26.14 | prpplague | yea, T0mW is the one that does the mod boards for the zipit |
| 17:27.03 | cybertheq | prpplague: indeed... I have tried to work within the 'stock hardware' paradigm as much as possible... |
| 17:28.49 | prpplague | cybertheq: yea, they could have made the stock hardware a little better if they'd have just tried |
| 17:29.38 | cybertheq | It looks like the address and data busses on the vtech are brought out to the expansion connector and the flash appears to be directly connected...rather than removing the chip I might try to access it on that connector (with some probes to enable lines...) |
| 17:30.56 | cybertheq | Vtech is large, but I would hope that the economies of scale would encourage reuse of code and dev effort and that the mcu on this device would be the same or similar to others in the toy laptop line... |
| 17:31.20 | cybertheq | if you had to guess, would you suspect z80 or rabbit core? |
| 17:33.12 | prpplague | z80 |
| 17:33.16 | prpplague | ez80 probably |
| 17:33.22 | cybertheq | indeed... |
| 17:33.37 | prpplague | zilog has been pushing their ez80 since it had some lcd functionality |
| 17:33.57 | cybertheq | if I can find an expansion cart at the GW that would be easiest to dump... |
| 17:34.08 | prpplague | possible |
| 17:36.21 | cybertheq | the keyboard also include an 'email' key and the pdf manual describes a cart and external modem... this unit was released at the same time as the vtech yahoo email machine... |
| 17:36.56 | cybertheq | something like the cidco mailstations... which supposedly have rabbit cores. |
| 17:38.33 | prpplague | cybertheq: well iirc, the cidco was reported to be the rabbit core, but actually is the ez80 processor |
| 17:39.09 | cybertheq | these things are so cheap and ubiquitous that it may be justified to do the work to document and understand the internals in order to reapply them as experiment controllers, monitoring platforms, etc... the Worldpad PC cost all of $0.99 |
| 17:40.30 | prpplague | cybertheq: yea, that is possible, however, i have promised myself not to work on projects that don't move forward with current technologies |
| 17:40.42 | prpplague | cybertheq: 8bit devices are dead as far as mobile devices |
| 17:41.31 | cybertheq | and the power consumption sure is a selling point... I know folks who still seek the tandy 8-bit lcd portables since they work for weeks continuously on a set of alkalines... |
| 17:41.45 | cybertheq | -- for mission specific applications... |
| 17:42.28 | prpplague | cybertheq: yea, still, i can run my s3c2410 boards from 4 AA for a good 12 hours continuous |
| 17:42.38 | prpplague | cybertheq: longer if i use suspend/resume |
| 17:43.43 | cybertheq | for sure -- but how about in the field in an experiment that must run for several months in a location without sunlight and no power sources? It gets more expensive to address this situation so experimenters resort to mature technology which does work... |
| 17:43.45 | prpplague | cybertheq: my early tests with vtech and oregon scientific laptops use the standard 4xAA battery compartments |
| 17:44.27 | prpplague | cybertheq: true, but providing 3.3v for my s3c2410 board is alot easier than providing 5v for some big 8-bit cpu |
| 17:45.13 | cybertheq | true... I know a few folks who have retrofitted 3.3v parts into old 5v designs for that reason... |
| 17:46.20 | cybertheq | and the mcu on this vtech is definitly 3.3v... |
| 17:46.38 | prpplague | yea? |
| 17:46.51 | cybertheq | checked it... |
| 17:47.17 | cybertheq | buck regulator on board as well. |
| 17:47.24 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:47.56 | prpplague | well even so, with the availability of arm boards, there just isn't any price difference |
| 17:48.04 | cybertheq | i don't have a lot of time but if it is ez80 and if the gui is something close to standard, it would be trivial to write new code for it. |
| 17:48.48 | cybertheq | I see questions on comp.arch.embedded seeking cheap arm boards with i/o and at least 320x200 lcd and the responses are always in the $75.00- $150.00 range... |
| 17:48.51 | cybertheq | in volume |
| 17:49.12 | cybertheq | or more... |
| 17:49.36 | cybertheq | the zipit at $30.00 - $50.00 is the only cheap alternative I've yet seen. |
| 17:50.27 | cybertheq | I guess it all depends on budget... |
| 17:51.24 | cybertheq | but for a small research program that needs hundreds of experiment controllers in the field, corraling lots of old vtechs at $1/ea is seductive... |
| 17:57.30 | prpplague | cybertheq: yea you can get the pixter-color for around $10 |
| 17:58.52 | cybertheq | that sounds like a really worthwhile project---I will look at the site for details -- esp. the bootloader. It would be nice to be able to put bsd on it too... |
| 18:00.37 | prpplague | cybertheq: hehe heck you can get 6 juicebox's for just $30USD |
| 18:03.53 | prpplague | oops they are sold out again, but they have 2 mega packs for $80 - http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=2106585 |
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| 18:12.25 | prpplague | isenbeck: whats the latest? |
| 18:12.36 | Crofton | on |
| 18:12.39 | isenbeck | jill is ignoring my calls |
| 18:12.42 | isenbeck | no kids |
| 18:12.47 | isenbeck | attorney is poised |
| 18:12.58 | prpplague | insanity thy name is woman |
| 18:13.23 | isenbeck | yes sir |
| 18:13.40 | isenbeck | prpplague, it looks like a done deal |
| 18:14.49 | cybertheq | prpplague: thanks, if I ever see a juicebox at GW I'll grab it... well, back to work... |
| 18:16.10 | isenbeck | prpplague, ignoring a problem makes it worse |
| 18:16.48 | wmat | isenbeck: trouble in paradise? |
| 18:17.47 | prpplague | isenbeck: yea |
| 18:18.16 | prpplague | isenbeck: so you gonna take a job in big D? |
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| 18:20.30 | isenbeck | wmat, the tale is unfolding |
| 18:20.49 | isenbeck | prpplague, people are standing over my screen ;) |
| 18:21.02 | wmat | isenbeck: is Jill a spouse? girlfriend? |
| 18:21.12 | isenbeck | wife of 13 years |
| 18:21.24 | prpplague | isenbeck: oops, sorry |
| 18:21.25 | wmat | wow |
| 18:21.35 | isenbeck | prpplague, np |
| 18:22.42 | isenbeck | prpplague, more than likely pursue a job in a larger market |
| 18:22.52 | isenbeck | but it will be after the divorce is final |
| 18:23.20 | wmat | that sounds pretty final |
| 18:23.41 | isenbeck | wmat, long time coming |
| 18:23.59 | isenbeck | I have reached the point that prpplague and all of my supporters told me i would |
| 18:24.48 | wmat | ah, well, i hope it works out for the best |
| 18:24.58 | wmat | if that's possible in these kinds of situations |
| 18:26.19 | isenbeck | wmat, thank you for your support |
| 18:26.42 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 18:27.23 | isenbeck | prpplague, I like "Life sucks and your wife won't" |
| 18:27.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:27.42 | chouimat | haha |
| 18:28.35 | wmat | weird, almost every hacker type I know is divorced |
| 18:31.02 | jbevren | hmm |
| 18:32.36 | isenbeck | wmat, it's a conspiracy I tell you |
| 18:32.46 | wmat | no doubt |
| 18:33.17 | wmat | i guess Linus isn't (yet) |
| 18:33.21 | prpplague | wmat: well, i find that non american women are much more understanding and accepting of geek/coder personalities |
| 18:33.40 | wmat | prpplague: that's an interesting idea |
| 18:34.03 | wmat | i bought my wife a book about "living with a geek" a long time ago ;) |
| 18:34.11 | prpplague | wmat: not just idea, fact in my book |
| 18:36.12 | philv | My wife to be is very accepting of it :D |
| 18:36.16 | wmat | prpplague: that's why i married a Canadian girl ;) |
| 18:36.30 | prpplague | wmat: when you tell a woman in the states what you do for a living they totally blank out |
| 18:36.32 | philv | Hehehe |
| 18:36.39 | chouimat | mine is long gone with some else ... thanks ;) |
| 18:37.19 | philv | Mine's a bit of a geek herself though |
| 18:37.23 | chouimat | prpplague: it's why I told them that I run my own business ... computer related ;) |
| 18:37.26 | prpplague | chouimat: thats because you are a beer guzzling, satan worshipping, nudie bar fanatic |
| 18:37.31 | jbevren | http://vidsearch.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1396240372 |
| 18:37.37 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 18:37.37 | jbevren | the greatest commodore hardware hack at work |
| 18:39.09 | wmat | philv: mine's not a geek at all |
| 18:39.10 | prpplague | philv: thats hard to find |
| 18:39.20 | chouimat | jbevren: supercpu? |
| 18:39.51 | chouimat | prpplague: speaking of satan worshipping ... time to get a nice coffee ;) |
| 18:40.35 | prpplague | wmat: i'm not the best looking guy, but overseas there are alot of places you'd think i was tom cruise with as much female attention i got |
| 18:40.37 | philv | prpplague: I find it's easy to find but hard to find it in a non-annoying package, hehe |
| 18:40.47 | prpplague | philv: hehe |
| 18:40.59 | jbevren | chouimat: yeah |
| 18:41.02 | jbevren | chouimat: I have one |
| 18:41.16 | jbevren | chouimat: the most amazing part is that they did it on a 2-layer pcb |
| 18:41.39 | wmat | prpplague: that's how tokyo is |
| 18:42.24 | wmat | i'm dead sexy though, so I'm not sure if it's just that ;) |
| 18:42.32 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:43.03 | chouimat | jbevren: what are those? ... true I didn't have a commodore but a (and still have) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Computer (the coco3) |
| 18:43.13 | prpplague | what always got me is a date in the states would be going really well untill the job question |
| 18:43.19 | isenbeck | I get an offer every now and again, but i don't take them |
| 18:43.26 | prpplague | once they realized i was computer geek, it was all over |
| 18:43.32 | jbevren | chouimat: 20mhz 65816 and local fast ram in a cartridge |
| 18:43.41 | chouimat | jbevren: nice ... |
| 18:43.43 | jbevren | chouimat: It bootstraps by pretending to be a game cartridge, then goes busmaster |
| 18:43.55 | jbevren | chouimat: My supercpu has 16M of linear ram |
| 18:44.09 | jbevren | once bootstrapped, the internal cpu is never seen again :) |
| 18:44.18 | chouimat | jbevren: with those old boxes you could do a lot of amazing things ... unlike PC this days |
| 18:44.19 | prpplague | isenbeck: guess i could have lied and said i was a tractor mechanic |
| 18:44.27 | jbevren | chouimat: indeed |
| 18:44.36 | jbevren | chouimat: It literally increases speed 21x |
| 18:44.45 | jbevren | the video DMA doesnt stall the processor in fast mode :) |
| 18:45.10 | chouimat | jbevren: my coco3 got updated with an hitachi 6309 and now had 16MB of ram, and a scsi-1 hdd |
| 18:45.20 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:45.43 | jbevren | my c64 (with its supercpu) has 64M CF storage (8gig ide drive max) and a 16-bit microkernel OS |
| 18:45.49 | chouimat | jbevren: and OS-9 was amazing ... a lot like unix |
| 18:45.50 | jbevren | pre-emptive multitasking, unixlike env |
| 18:45.59 | jbevren | Ive never worked with OS9 but heard lots about it |
| 18:46.14 | chouimat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-9 |
| 18:46.34 | philv | OS/8 is far cooler imo |
| 18:46.35 | jbevren | chouimat: is your addon cpu/ram/scsi internal? |
| 18:46.37 | philv | ;) |
| 18:47.54 | chouimat | jbevren: I found it on the net a few years ago ... took me some time to get the component .. |
| 18:48.02 | prpplague | isenbeck: did you get fc6 installed? |
| 18:48.23 | wmat | chouimat: you have a coco? |
| 18:48.37 | isenbeck | prpplague, yeah |
| 18:48.44 | chouimat | jbevren: I'm more a software guy than an hardware one ... since I suck a lot at soldering |
| 18:48.49 | chouimat | wmat: yup |
| 18:48.58 | prpplague | isenbeck: and? |
| 18:49.00 | isenbeck | prpplague, been using iT AS my workstION ON THIS 64 BIT ACER LAPTOP |
| 18:49.02 | prpplague | isenbeck: any problems? |
| 18:49.02 | wmat | chouimat: man, i wish I still had mine |
| 18:49.04 | isenbeck | ooops |
| 18:49.18 | isenbeck | prpplague, it has locked up once. |
| 18:50.04 | isenbeck | but I had it bowed up |
| 18:51.21 | isenbeck | prpplague, built is wifi has issues..so i am using the 'ol wavelan card from my abcsinc days |
| 18:51.21 | jbevren | chouimat: shame you dont have a supercpu |
| 18:51.21 | jbevren | I'd try to talk you into getting wings to compile from scratch |
| 18:51.22 | chouimat | wmat: and last time I checked it stopped working :( but MESS works :) |
| 18:51.22 | jbevren | there are dependancy issues all over the place and I have yet to get it to do so :) |
| 18:51.22 | jbevren | it builds fine if its been built before, so the tree's good |
| 18:51.41 | jbevren | the creator modified the LCC mips backend to generate code for the cpu |
| 18:51.54 | wmat | chouimat: when I think back to all the coco magazines, software, hardware etc. that I used to have, it makes me sad. I left all of it at a sisters place and she threw it out :( |
| 18:53.56 | chouimat | wmat: :( |
| 18:54.14 | chouimat | wmat: mine is at my mother's place |
| 18:57.10 | jbevren | I keep mine under close watch |
| 18:57.12 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:57.18 | jbevren | I have a few commodore models |
| 18:57.26 | jbevren | one is uncommon, the other is rare in the US |
| 18:58.21 | wmat | i actually gave a C64 away a few months ago |
| 18:58.35 | wmat | sometimes, one just has to let go ;) |
| 18:58.35 | jbevren | it's a good gift for someone that would use it |
| 18:59.21 | jbevren | UNIX: |
| 18:59.21 | jbevren | An operating system similar to OS-9, but with less functionality and |
| 18:59.22 | jbevren | special features designed to soak up excess memory, disk space and CPU |
| 18:59.23 | jbevren | time on large, expensive computers. |
| 18:59.27 | jbevren | grr sorry, I thought it was one line |
| 19:01.43 | jbevren | hm an OS9 port was used in philips' CD-i |
| 19:02.29 | chouimat | jbevren: hehe |
| 19:27.20 | isenbeck | prpplague, holy cats |
| 19:28.06 | prpplague | isenbeck: ?? |
| 19:28.14 | isenbeck | prpplague, did you see that Rums* stepped down ? |
| 19:28.21 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:29.30 | prpplague | isenbeck: rough days ahead with the dems probably in control of both house and senate |
| 19:30.15 | isenbeck | prpplague, better get my divorce before the laws are reformed |
| 19:30.27 | isenbeck | heh |
| 19:30.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:31.23 | prpplague | isenbeck: shame the dems weren't in charge when i need immigration help, as they are very forgiving about that, hehe |
| 19:31.55 | isenbeck | prpplague, so true |
| 19:32.16 | isenbeck | prpplague, i can image the strain on the economy |
| 19:32.24 | isenbeck | image=imagin |
| 19:34.38 | prpplague | isenbeck: "oh you poor illegals come over here to the US, we need all the help we can get since the US is broken...." |
| 19:36.31 | jbevren | Immigration to aliens: "Youre okay to live, work, get an eductation, and get loans here. Just dont try to do it legally and you're set." |
| 19:36.37 | prpplague | isenbeck: "we'll support you on welfare, especially since its america's fault you are poor anyway" |
| 19:36.50 | prpplague | jbevren: exactly |
| 19:36.55 | isenbeck | prpplague, I can't wait |
| 19:37.05 | jbevren | I'm really pissed that illegal mexicans can get college loans in california |
| 19:37.14 | jbevren | hell |
| 19:37.16 | jbevren | sneak in |
| 19:37.21 | jbevren | get a big-money education |
| 19:37.25 | prpplague | jbevren: heck they can get it free in texas |
| 19:37.26 | jbevren | leave the country without paying |
| 19:37.30 | jbevren | I'm set! |
| 19:37.33 | jbevren | free degree! |
| 19:38.48 | prpplague | i got to actually pay an income tax this year for basically "taking money out of the US economy" |
| 19:38.53 | isenbeck | jbevren, heh |
| 19:39.47 | chouimat | prpplague: nice ... |
| 19:41.21 | prpplague | so basically this is what they say "we don't want you, your wife, or kids in the US, but still have to pay taxes, oh and by the way, since you don't live in the states anymore, you have to pay extra" |
| 19:42.35 | chouimat | prpplague: my mother had to do the same when she was in switzerland ... she still has her house in canada and money in the bank etc etc etc ... |
| 19:43.27 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, but your mother chose to go to switzeland , correct? |
| 19:43.45 | chouimat | yes |
| 19:43.55 | prpplague | chouimat: big difference, we were forced to leave |
| 19:44.03 | prpplague | big difference |
| 19:44.19 | chouimat | prpplague: and the only way she had to not pay taxes in Canada was to sold everything she had in Canada |
| 19:44.50 | chouimat | prpplague: and btw I think you will had more fun in Switzerland than Barbados :) |
| 19:45.04 | chouimat | they have access to go beer :) |
| 19:45.45 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe yea, problem is neither my wife or i are from switzerland |
| 19:46.07 | chouimat | :) |
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| 20:10.54 | chouimat | prpplague: http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/100135.aspx |
| 20:14.59 | prpplague | oh this one is good |
| 20:15.01 | prpplague | Oh crap, I really screwed up this time. |
| 20:15.01 | prpplague | Err, did you break the test database again? |
| 20:15.01 | prpplague | No, no. I asked this girl I've been seeing for three weeks to move in with me. |
| 20:15.01 | prpplague | Aren't you married? |
| 20:15.01 | prpplague | Yeah ... |
| 20:15.12 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:15.19 | prpplague | that hilarious |
| 20:15.20 | chouimat | Code is breaking in bad an unpredictable ways. I do code review of threaded codebase: |
| 20:15.24 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.28 | chouimat | me: what are all these sleep()'s for? |
| 20:15.32 | chouimat | him: oh, i use them to reduce the chance of locking problems |
| 20:15.36 | chouimat | me: do you use locks? |
| 20:15.36 | chouimat | him: they are too difficult to use properly, so I use sleep() |
| 20:15.36 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.36 | chouimat | captcha: 37signals |
| 20:15.36 | chouimat | that one too |
| 20:15.57 | prpplague | doh |
| 20:16.31 | chouimat | and they are able to get a job ... |
| 20:18.33 | prpplague | and probably make more than you and i combined |
| 20:18.50 | chouimat | yup |
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| 21:20.19 | isenbeck | wmat, is it time to go home yet ? |
| 21:31.59 | wmat | isenbeck: almost |
| 21:32.15 | wmat | as soon as gdb finishes compiling, i'm gone |
| 21:33.26 | isenbeck | I gotta go meet with the attorney. |
| 21:33.32 | isenbeck | lovely |
| 21:33.38 | wmat | lucky you |
| 21:38.18 | isenbeck | I got a lot done today |
| 21:38.31 | isenbeck | my techs are in lazy mode |
| 21:38.40 | isenbeck | but so am i ;-) |
| 21:40.10 | wmat | and i'm gone, later |
| 21:40.19 | isenbeck | c-a |
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