| 00:08.05 | LyosNorezel2 | anyone awake? |
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| 02:05.23 | isenbeck | wmat, you around ? |
| 02:33.31 | wmat | isenbeck: i am now |
| 02:38.07 | isenbeck | wife got served with divorce papers |
| 02:38.15 | isenbeck | came by to harass me too |
| 02:38.38 | wmat | whoa, eventful day |
| 02:38.48 | wmat | did she know it was coming? |
| 02:38.51 | isenbeck | nope |
| 02:39.00 | isenbeck | all cocky and confrontaional |
| 02:39.04 | isenbeck | heh |
| 02:39.09 | isenbeck | kinda satifying |
| 02:39.14 | isenbeck | but |
| 02:39.27 | isenbeck | it's not like that for me |
| 02:39.34 | isenbeck | just closure |
| 02:40.06 | isenbeck | I got a netgear router to dissect today |
| 02:40.43 | isenbeck | prppl* has been trying to get me to try my hand at emb* for a while |
| 02:42.04 | wmat | well, glad to hear about the closure; and the router ;) |
| 02:49.38 | T0mW | isenbeck: as if there wasn't enough chaos in your life right now, Dave gets you into embedded programming, eh? |
| 02:50.29 | isenbeck | T0mW, chaos keeps the mind pure |
| 02:50.34 | isenbeck | heh |
| 02:50.40 | T0mW | yeah, Zen-like |
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| 02:55.38 | T0mW | isenbeck: there is money to made with embedded stuff. Recently a client asked if I knew of anyone that they could hire for embedded work (full time) and I had to tell them "no". It seems that most people are not interested in the time it takes to learn this stuff. |
| 02:57.26 | isenbeck | I have seen anders go from basic coding to supporting his family plus |
| 02:57.54 | wmat | with little travel? |
| 02:57.58 | isenbeck | T0mW, I see the potential.........not to mention enjoyable |
| 02:58.10 | isenbeck | T0mW, like putting a puzzle together |
| 02:58.18 | T0mW | wmat no travel here for me. |
| 02:58.35 | wmat | i don't think there's a lot of formal education happening around embedded, is there? |
| 02:59.03 | wmat | T0mW: do you have a local gig? |
| 02:59.37 | T0mW | no, you just "do it". Yeah, I live in Eastern PA and have a rather long term relationship with a company in NJ. |
| 03:00.05 | T0mW | I work from home, my daily commute is about 15feet. |
| 03:00.24 | wmat | nice! |
| 03:01.00 | T0mW | most times, I just don't have co-workers to BS with. |
| 03:01.24 | T0mW | that's the need that IRC fills for me. |
| 03:01.30 | wmat | heh |
| 03:01.45 | wmat | i'm surrounded by coworkers and that's still the need IRC fills for me ;) |
| 03:01.48 | T0mW | wmat: lots of BS going on on IRC, heh. |
| 03:02.09 | wmat | yeah, i'm usually good for half of it :) |
| 03:06.19 | T0mW | this is some of the stuff I've been building: http://www.openhardware.net/board.gif |
| 03:06.50 | T0mW | heh, it has 15 LEDs on it!!! |
| 03:06.56 | T0mW | :D |
| 03:09.15 | wmat | nice |
| 03:13.18 | T0mW | ARM7TDMI-S |
| 03:23.47 | chouimat|away | lalalalalalalala |
| 03:26.12 | wmat | chouimat: greetings |
| 03:35.22 | chouimat | wmat: just having fun reading some OBDII documentation ... |
| 03:36.15 | wmat | heh, enjoy |
| 03:36.28 | chouimat | wmat: can't be worse than CAN and CANOpen :) |
| 03:53.13 | LyosNorezel2 | anyone into hacking routers/Access Points? |
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| 05:19.55 | *** topic/#edev is #edev discussion for small embedded device development and hacking || http://www.elinux.org/wiki/ || http://www.hackaday.com || http://www.linux-hacker.net || buildroot now has a mailing list, please subscribe at http://buildroot.busybox.net |
| 06:00.28 | LyosNorezel2 | *YAWN* |
| 06:30.40 | LyosNorezel2 | anyone awake? |
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| 13:43.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey hey |
| 13:43.38 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day.. |
| 13:45.20 | GPSFan | prpplague: well it's one day closer to friday :>) |
| 13:49.42 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe yea |
| 13:50.04 | wmat | ouch, crappy |
| 13:50.05 | prpplague | nothing major, just kiss'd bumpers |
| 13:50.25 | prpplague | just was a pain in the ass to wait for the police and all |
| 13:50.59 | GPSFan | prpplague: ooof, you mean the police got there the same day? wow that'l make Island News.. |
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| 13:52.24 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe, an hour an half later |
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| 13:53.52 | lkcl | allo darlins |
| 13:54.24 | prpplague | wmat: lkcl is handling some of the greenphone community stuff |
| 13:54.40 | prpplague | wmat: he's interested in putting all the wiki info on the new wiki pages |
| 13:55.11 | lkcl | i wanted to get community interest in gp on the radar |
| 13:59.41 | wmat | excellent |
| 13:59.53 | wmat | however, the new wiki isn't ready for primetime yet |
| 14:00.19 | wmat | can we put it on eLinux for now and then I'll port it over? |
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| 14:10.50 | prpplague | wmat: i see no problems with just adding it as a sub set to elinux.org wiki |
| 14:11.02 | prpplague | lkcl: you want to just add to the current wiki? |
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| 14:27.19 | prpplague | wmat: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5201088922.html |
| 14:31.03 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:31.46 | Crofton | gm |
| 14:32.06 | Crofton | http://www.lyrtech.com/DSP-development/dsp_fpga/sffsdrdevelopmentplatform.php |
| 14:32.11 | Crofton | uuuummmmmm |
| 14:32.27 | Crofton | I have been drinking with the sales guy |
| 14:32.46 | Crofton | He is going to try and get me the ARM board so I can get LInux going on it |
| 14:33.06 | chouimat | wmat: http://qtopia.net/modules/devices/ |
| 14:46.45 | prpplague | Crofton: cool |
| 14:47.34 | Crofton | yeah |
| 14:47.39 | Crofton | well off to sessions |
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| 15:01.27 | wmat | chouimat: thx, that's the stuff |
| 15:04.34 | chouimat | wmat: np |
| 15:04.44 | prpplague | wmat: hey |
| 15:04.49 | prpplague | wmat: i gave a link tooo!!!! |
| 15:04.53 | prpplague | no thanks for me???? |
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| 15:05.49 | wmat | prpplague: perhaps if you were working for the greenphone marketing team ;) |
| 15:06.14 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 15:06.18 | wmat | haha, but thanks |
| 15:06.29 | prpplague | wmat: all you had to do is click on the "for more information" at the bottom, hehe |
| 15:09.06 | LyosNorezel2 | that's expensive for a phone |
| 15:10.33 | wmat | >$0 == too expensive in my household right now :) |
| 15:11.21 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 15:12.00 | LyosNorezel2 | my Motorola RAZR V3 only cost me 100USD (before the rebate) |
| 15:12.38 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: yea, most of the phones that are linux hackable or rather expensive at the momment |
| 15:12.46 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: i expect that cost to come down soon |
| 15:12.56 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: with alot more players out there |
| 15:12.59 | LyosNorezel2 | that's be nice |
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| 16:10.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 16:10.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: about time you showed up for work |
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| 17:16.20 | CosmicPenguin | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/B1_Pictures |
| 17:17.17 | CosmicPenguin | I'm dying - I can't wait to get mine |
| 17:18.51 | prpplague | wow wow wow |
| 17:19.38 | prpplague | man barbados needs to jump on getting those as well |
| 17:23.07 | CosmicPenguin | Does barbados have that kind of cash/ |
| 17:23.08 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 17:24.41 | sjhill | anyone know if there is a hal or hotplug channel? |
| 17:25.41 | CosmicPenguin | not sure |
| 17:26.01 | CosmicPenguin | some of the redhat guys that work on HAL hang in #olpc sometimes - but none of them are there now |
| 17:26.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, they spent something like $15M USD last year on USED pc's from the US |
| 17:27.03 | CosmicPenguin | heh - the pics? :D |
| 17:27.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hhehe, sorry thats $7.5M USD |
| 17:27.23 | prpplague | 15M barbados |
| 17:27.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: some major kick backs going on here |
| 17:28.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think they got most of the pc's for free, but the rest of the cost was for m$ os and apps |
| 17:28.19 | chouimat|away | ouch |
| 17:29.40 | prpplague | i need to brain storm some test applications and procedures for bringing up new board designs |
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| 17:45.21 | shirour | hi all! can anyone help me building buildroot for my arm system??? |
| 17:45.49 | prpplague | shirour: try starting with providing some basic information about what your are doing |
| 17:45.55 | shirour | ok! |
| 17:46.09 | shirour | i have arm 926j based machine, i wrote a bootloader and compiled kernel 2.6.15 |
| 17:46.13 | shirour | it is booting form the HD, fully working |
| 17:46.23 | shirour | i have console access and everthing is fine |
| 17:46.37 | shirour | now i want to use buildroot in order to build some more interesting stuff |
| 17:46.54 | prpplague | shirour: first try building one of the targets that is already on the system |
| 17:47.09 | prpplague | shirour: for instance, try compiling the LNODE80 target |
| 17:47.31 | prpplague | shirour: once you know you system is up and running, you can start by adding you custom configurations |
| 17:47.37 | shirour | how do i do that? |
| 17:47.45 | shirour | i've download the tarball and tried make menuconfig -> make |
| 17:47.50 | shirour | but it fails with all sorts of problems |
| 17:48.00 | shirour | *downloaded |
| 17:48.12 | prpplague | when you do make menuconfig, what options are you choosing? |
| 17:48.33 | shirour | what's LNODE80? where can i get it from? |
| 17:48.53 | prpplague | shirour: its a target already in buildroot |
| 17:49.08 | shirour | target: arm, arm926t, oabi |
| 17:49.23 | shirour | where can i find the configuration file? |
| 17:49.44 | prpplague | shirour: in menuconfig just choose lnode80 as the target |
| 17:50.27 | shirour | ? i don't have it |
| 17:50.57 | shirour | (btw, what's lnode80?) |
| 17:51.32 | prpplague | its a development board |
| 17:51.43 | prpplague | shirour: how old is your buildroot you downloaded? |
| 17:51.50 | prpplague | shirour: where did you download it from |
| 17:51.50 | shirour | snapshot from yesterday |
| 17:52.01 | shirour | http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/snapshots/ |
| 17:52.04 | prpplague | unless someone has removed it, it is there |
| 17:52.32 | shirour | very strange... where exactly..?? |
| 17:53.15 | prpplague | shirour: choose system type as arm, then go to board type and then choose lnode80 |
| 17:54.12 | shirour | ok. done. |
| 17:54.29 | shirour | arm, arm926t, oabi, LNode80 |
| 17:54.36 | prpplague | save the config, and then do a make |
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| 17:56.41 | wmat | prpplague: http://www.satirewire.com/news/jan02/geography.shtml |
| 17:56.50 | shirour | it has problems |
| 17:57.04 | prpplague | shirour: paste the errors to http://www.pastebin.ca |
| 17:57.12 | shirour | right at the beginning - "...build_arm/root/' is not a directory: No such file or directory" |
| 17:58.03 | prpplague | shirour: sounds like you have some permission problems |
| 17:58.18 | shirour | tried as root as well |
| 17:58.33 | shirour | it just doesn't create the root dir |
| 17:58.42 | shirour | i can create it manually but i dont' get why it doesn't work |
| 17:59.08 | prpplague | shirour: you need to paste the section of messages prior to the build |
| 17:59.26 | prpplague | wmat: thats about right |
| 17:59.26 | shirour | ok |
| 18:01.30 | shirour | http://pastebin.ca/249339 |
| 18:01.38 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 18:02.20 | prpplague | shirour: uh what command did you type for the make? |
| 18:02.26 | shirour | "make" |
| 18:02.29 | shirour | i have alias |
| 18:02.50 | prpplague | are you sure? |
| 18:02.53 | shirour | yep |
| 18:02.58 | shirour | doublechecked right now |
| 18:02.58 | prpplague | try just issing the command make instead |
| 18:03.03 | shirour | ok |
| 18:03.29 | wmat | prpplague: that made me laugh out loud |
| 18:03.51 | prpplague | wmat: can you join #openezx so we can talk about the new wiki? |
| 18:05.29 | shirour | prpplague: nop... the same |
| 18:06.08 | prpplague | shirour: ok i suspect either the snapshot is broken or when untar'd it you didn't install it properly |
| 18:06.21 | prpplague | shirour: what distro are you using? |
| 18:06.39 | shirour | ubuntu |
| 18:06.47 | shirour | i've redownloaded the snapshot a minute ago |
| 18:06.51 | shirour | still the same |
| 18:07.01 | prpplague | shirour: what command are you using to untar the ball |
| 18:07.05 | shirour | "tar xvf" |
| 18:07.14 | wmat | just grab it with svn |
| 18:07.45 | prpplague | shirour: looks like there were some directory changes about 10 hours ago in cvs |
| 18:07.58 | prpplague | shirour: you may need to try a snapshot a couple days earlier |
| 18:08.19 | shirour | ok. any good known version? |
| 18:08.36 | prpplague | shirour: i haven't updated mine in several months |
| 18:08.43 | prpplague | shirour: just try 10 days ago |
| 18:09.09 | shirour | ok. one minute |
| 18:11.11 | shirour | mmm... yep |
| 18:11.12 | shirour | that does it |
| 18:11.46 | prpplague | shirour: please be so kind as to post a bug report at http://buildroot.busybox.net |
| 18:12.04 | shirour | thanks! i will! |
| 18:13.42 | shirour | now after a while i get the following errors (but it continues): |
| 18:13.58 | shirour | ".../buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/bin/arm-linux-uclibc-gcc: No such file or directory" |
| 18:14.17 | shirour | ".../buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/bin/arm-linux-uclibc-gcc: Command not found" |
| 18:14.20 | shirour | etc' |
| 18:14.46 | prpplague | its normaly to see some during the build |
| 18:14.53 | shirour | oh ok... |
| 18:14.59 | prpplague | shirour: paste your log on pastebin.ca |
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| 18:18.58 | shirour | http://pastebin.ca/249356 - i've pasted only the part where the error begins |
| 18:19.13 | shirour | (but btw, it is still running) |
| 18:20.10 | prpplague | ~lart shirour |
| 18:20.17 | prpplague | shirour: thats fine |
| 18:20.25 | prpplague | shirour: it does some internal checks during the build |
| 18:20.35 | prpplague | shirour: it will completely stop if there is a problem |
| 18:20.36 | shirour | ok, thanks! |
| 18:21.00 | shirour | and what's the difference between the lnode80 and selecting nothing? |
| 18:21.21 | prpplague | shirour: the lnode80 has a working configuration |
| 18:21.25 | prpplague | shirour: its arm720t |
| 18:21.39 | prpplague | shirour: so once you've done a complete build you know your buildroot is working |
| 18:21.54 | prpplague | shirour: then you can do a make distclean, and start testing your configurations |
| 18:22.05 | prpplague | shirour: always start with a known good condition |
| 18:30.00 | shirour | but then i need to recompile it all? |
| 18:30.16 | prpplague | shirour: that is correct |
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| 18:30.20 | shirour | prpplague: ok, thanks..! |
| 18:30.20 | prpplague | shirour: np |
| 18:30.43 | prpplague | shirour: remember snapshots are copies of the current repo, so it may be broken at any given momemnt becuase people are always checking in code |
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| 20:03.33 | lkcl | pprplague: well, a static front-page would be nice. |
| 20:06.03 | prpplague | hehe went directly to movial |
| 20:09.39 | wmat | prpplague: yes, movial has been asked to help again |
| 20:12.09 | shirour | mmm... i'm having problems when it tries to compile busybox |
| 20:12.29 | shirour | it doesn't find the Rules.mak file |
| 20:14.59 | shirour | i've pasted my log: http://pastebin.ca/249454 |
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| 20:20.32 | prpplague | shirour: sorry can't help at the momment, gotta do the work that pays the bills |
| 20:21.20 | shirour | thanks anyway..! i've downloaded the file from svn. hope it'll work |
| 20:23.10 | shirour | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:47.45 | antics | has anyone thought about or care to hack the zune? |
| 20:48.17 | antics | it's got a pretty nice SoC in it but i'm not sure i want to spend the money just yet |
| 20:54.39 | shirour | which SoC? |
| 21:06.42 | antics | Freescale iMX31L |
| 21:09.40 | antics | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX31 |
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