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| 07:06.05 | jbevren | 65816 assembler in 240 lines of FORTH |
| 07:06.08 | jbevren | http://www.falvotech.com/content/kestrel/forth/target/65816.fs |
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| 08:42.46 | surfbuddy | what does it mean..when we say.. port the startup code to the GNU assembler ? |
| 08:43.32 | T0mW | uh, correct the syntax so that as won't choke? |
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| 13:22.11 | purl | pb_ <n=pb@2002:5165:89b3:1:a00:1fff:fe06:93c> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 16h 52m 11s ago, saying: 'zecke: okay. I still don't really understand what your aclocal.m4 file is about though.'. |
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| 13:32.49 | prpplague | T0mW: 332 pin bga in 14x14 |
| 13:33.03 | prpplague | T0mW: is that gonna be fun or what? |
| 13:39.53 | prpplague | T0mW: remind me to get your tracking number this afternoon |
| 13:41.50 | T0mW | prpplague: you're not the guy doing the pcb layout so don't worry about it, heh, somebody else's problem. |
| 13:43.41 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 13:44.20 | T0mW | prpplague: that littlechips board has lousy touchscreen electronics. |
| 13:45.35 | T0mW | prpplague: the Samsung S3C2410 processor has some nice features in the ADC for the touchscreen, IF, you follow their recommendations for the electronics. Littlechips went their own way to save a little $$$ and board space, then fscked it up. |
| 13:46.19 | prpplague | T0mW: oh? do tell? |
| 13:46.23 | prpplague | T0mW: we've not been using the TS support yet |
| 13:46.28 | prpplague | T0mW: so i'm curious |
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| 13:47.02 | T0mW | prpplague: I've some discrete P and N channel FETs on order. Once they get here I'll do surgery on the PCB and get the 4066 replaced with FETs. |
| 13:47.46 | T0mW | prpplague: You can use the ADC to read the touch panel, just not in a AUTO mode, you must manually bang bits then read the ADC. |
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| 13:48.36 | T0mW | prpplague: the ADC has a mode called AUTO_PST (IIRC), you start the operation, it resolves the X + Y of the touch panel and interrupts on completion. |
| 13:48.50 | prpplague | ahh |
| 13:49.05 | prpplague | i'll be sure and mention to my boss that the littlechips design has some issues |
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| 13:50.06 | T0mW | prpplague: if you look at the Littlechips schematic vs. the Samsung SMDK2410 schematic you can see what Samsung was referring to in the user manual for the S3C2410 ADC touch controller (discrete transistors, aka FET). |
| 13:50.56 | T0mW | prpplague: I can get fairly decent touchpanel operation, but it tends to jitter and repeat. |
| 13:51.02 | prpplague | ahh |
| 13:51.14 | prpplague | T0mW: well we are gearing up for either a 2440 or 2442 design |
| 13:51.26 | T0mW | prpplague: heh |
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| 13:51.31 | prpplague | T0mW: my boss is concerned about the pitch needed for the 2442's 332 pin package |
| 13:51.51 | T0mW | prpplague: did you tell him that you needed 128Meg of SDRAM on that new design? |
| 13:51.52 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:52.35 | T0mW | prpplague: I've got the xserver-kdrive running on the littlechips board with a USB mouse. |
| 13:52.37 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe no, why? |
| 13:52.53 | LyosNorezel2 | 0.o o.0... 332 pins?!?!?!?!? what're ye nuts? |
| 13:52.55 | prpplague | T0mW: yea we had that awhile back |
| 13:53.12 | T0mW | prpplague: just for giggles, I'll put firefox on the thing to see how it performs. |
| 13:53.16 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: uh, its not the number of pins per se, its the space |
| 13:53.23 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: 332 in a 14x14 package |
| 13:53.33 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: we have a few devices with 500+ pins |
| 13:53.42 | LyosNorezel2 | 0.o o.0 |
| 13:53.59 | T0mW | LyosNorezel2: yeah, with all the VIAs to get the BGA signals down to the inner layers. |
| 13:54.33 | prpplague | T0mW: but the thing is that the 2440 is 272 |
| 13:54.35 | LyosNorezel2 | damn... I have a hard enough time with packages that are 240 pins |
| 13:54.40 | T0mW | prpplague: 2..3mil holes, 4..5mil annular ring. 3..4mil traces. |
| 13:54.55 | prpplague | yea |
| 13:55.15 | T0mW | prpplague: definately will have that board burned by laser |
| 13:55.16 | LyosNorezel2 | oiy... BGA blows |
| 13:55.42 | T0mW | prpplague: who do you goto for your BGA boards? |
| 13:56.10 | T0mW | prpplague: just wondering, APC is set up for laser work. |
| 13:56.39 | prpplague | T0mW: we have a board house in the DFW area that does it |
| 13:56.45 | LyosNorezel2 | oiy... I bet those are expensive... so much for a design stage... |
| 13:56.46 | prpplague | T0mW: the have p-n-p system |
| 13:56.53 | prpplague | they |
| 13:57.28 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm just wonder "who" that is, the only board house that I've found that does decent quality stuff has been Advanced Printed Circuits. |
| 13:57.42 | prpplague | T0mW: i'll ask the boss today |
| 13:57.45 | T0mW | prpplague: do they do prototypes as well? |
| 13:58.08 | prpplague | T0mW: they do ours but only because we spend so much money with them |
| 13:58.20 | prpplague | T0mW: they do all our other production runs |
| 13:58.47 | T0mW | prpplague: well, prototyping is somewhat of a bread-n-butter thing for a production board house. You really cannot do one without the other. |
| 13:59.41 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, well, this place is more geared for qty production |
| 13:59.56 | prpplague | T0mW: i.e. 2-5k units at once |
| 14:00.05 | prpplague | T0mW: doing board and population |
| 14:00.31 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: what's the average cost per board? |
| 14:00.43 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: that depends on the board |
| 14:00.51 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: we do so many different designs |
| 14:01.06 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: proto's are always expesive |
| 14:01.34 | LyosNorezel2 | da... especially when you get into more than 4 layer boards |
| 14:01.37 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: an 8 layer board with 2 or 3 bga packages, and single sided components is about $4000USD for 10 units |
| 14:01.53 | T0mW | especially multi-layer, nothing is cheap when you go beyound two layers |
| 14:01.58 | LyosNorezel2 | 0.o o.0 |
| 14:02.41 | T0mW | prpplague: oh, that is if you don't ask for blind / buried vias. |
| 14:02.49 | prpplague | T0mW: i've been considering picking up a couple of those eten s3c2440 based phones |
| 14:02.54 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 14:03.05 | T0mW | prpplague: wow |
| 14:03.21 | T0mW | prpplague: that might be interesting to look at. |
| 14:03.59 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9228125055.html |
| 14:04.32 | prpplague | T0mW: i've got to do some changes to apex to support the s3c2440 at 400mhz and also boot from nand |
| 14:04.50 | T0mW | prpplague: wonder if they are unlocked GSM phones |
| 14:06.04 | T0mW | prpplague: which reminds me, my ham license is expired, I have to renew that. |
| 14:06.43 | prpplague | T0mW: doh |
| 14:07.33 | prpplague | T0mW: there is a handhelds.org wiki page with details |
| 14:07.58 | T0mW | s/ham/Ham/ |
| 14:08.34 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe i knew what you meant, just joking with you |
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| 14:09.19 | LyosNorezel2 | fecking hell... even in it's compressed state... fecking Solaris is HUGE |
| 14:28.21 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, only the U.S. Government would have this verbage: "Pay Via Plastic Card (PC) (ex: American Express, Diners Club, Discover, Mastercard, VISA)" |
| 14:28.43 | wmat | haha |
| 14:28.49 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 14:28.56 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm sure that was a heated 10 hour meeting to hammer out that idea properly |
| 14:29.08 | wmat | LyosNorezel2: you trying OpenSolaris? |
| 14:29.25 | T0mW | heh, "Select the "Continue with Plastic Card Payment" button to continue to the next step in the Plastic Card Payment Process. " |
| 14:29.31 | T0mW | lol |
| 14:30.19 | T0mW | I have more fun reading the fcc payment pages than I do from dailyWTF |
| 14:31.40 | prpplague | T0mW: you should try reading some of embassy web sites |
| 14:31.47 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:32.05 | T0mW | prpplague: no doubt |
| 14:32.10 | prpplague | chouimat: greetings |
| 14:32.29 | T0mW | prpplague: I guess the phrase "credit card" is not politically correct? |
| 14:32.49 | prpplague | T0mW: well, there are now a number of difference "cards" that can be used |
| 14:32.59 | prpplague | T0mW: i.e. debit, bank draft, check cards |
| 14:33.17 | T0mW | prpplague: oooh, ooh, I get it, we don't want to seem to be not having a "clue" |
| 14:33.26 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:34.13 | T0mW | bearucrats can be sooo sensitive |
| 14:36.11 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:37.59 | surfbuddy | will there be any differeence in the assembly instructions for Arm7 and Arm9 |
| 14:38.32 | prpplague | surfbuddy: there are some differences |
| 14:38.44 | prpplague | surfbuddy: but for the most part, its the same |
| 14:39.05 | prpplague | surfbuddy: if you have the ARM ARM or ARM System Developers Guide |
| 14:39.12 | LyosNorezel2 | wmat: ye... gonna put it on a spare machine |
| 14:39.15 | T0mW | yeah, just some nice new opcodes in ARM9 |
| 14:39.31 | prpplague | surfbuddy: you can check a command to see which opcodes are available with each core |
| 14:40.22 | T0mW | prpplague: arm9xx is armv5, correct? |
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| 14:41.03 | surfbuddy | prpplague, if both Philips and Atmel have ARM9 core, the assembly instructions would def would be the same ?? |
| 14:41.11 | prpplague | T0mW: some of the arm9 series is V4 and some V5 |
| 14:41.16 | surfbuddy | damn.. sorry.. i will reframe |
| 14:41.30 | prpplague | surfbuddy: depends on which arm9 core |
| 14:41.35 | T0mW | yeah, I think arm922 is armv4 |
| 14:42.20 | surfbuddy | basically, i want to know.. if both the microcontrollers have identical cores.. the assembly instruction would def not depend upon the manufacturer ? |
| 14:42.29 | prpplague | T0mW: yea 922 and 920 are armV4 , 926 is V5 |
| 14:42.34 | T0mW | pretty interesting how you get things done in ARM asm, I needed to sign extend a byte into a long |
| 14:42.42 | T0mW | lsl r0, r0, #24 |
| 14:42.47 | prpplague | surfbuddy: IF they have identical cores, the assembly would the same |
| 14:42.51 | T0mW | asr r0, r0, #24 |
| 14:43.15 | surfbuddy | does it mean , the startup code should also be the same ! |
| 14:43.25 | T0mW | surfbuddy: not necessarily |
| 14:43.37 | T0mW | surfbuddy: for the most part, yes |
| 14:43.58 | T0mW | surfbuddy: your startup code is to accomplish several things: |
| 14:44.12 | T0mW | 1. init any DRAM, SDRAM controller |
| 14:44.38 | T0mW | 2. copy any code from Flash, zero out the BSS data segment of the main app |
| 14:44.49 | prpplague | surfbuddy: the probability of the startup code being the same is slim to none |
| 14:44.49 | T0mW | 3. set various mode stacks |
| 14:45.25 | T0mW | e.g. set the IRQ stack pointer, set the USER stack pointer, set the SUPV stack... |
| 14:46.05 | T0mW | 4. then jump to the main app. Any other hardware setup is then done in the C code. |
| 14:46.42 | T0mW | surfbuddy: most times, you can find a startup file already written for a core. |
| 14:46.43 | surfbuddy | T0mW, hmm.. looks like quite a general setup... then the only difference should be the design of the microcontroller. |
| 14:47.14 | T0mW | surfbuddy: not really, the LPC2000 ARM7TDMI-S controllers all have the same startup crt0.S file. |
| 14:47.28 | T0mW | they vary widely as to flash + sram size. |
| 14:48.05 | T0mW | surfbuddy: write once, use many |
| 14:48.05 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:48.13 | chouimat | hehe |
| 14:48.14 | surfbuddy | T0mW, if the startup file is already written for the core, why do anyone has to write a startup atall ?? |
| 14:48.38 | T0mW | chouimat: what would that be "woum"? |
| 14:49.04 | T0mW | chouimat: as in "BIFF" "POWEE" "WOUM" |
| 14:49.14 | T0mW | surfbuddy: you don't |
| 14:49.43 | surfbuddy | T0mW, really ! does this startup file at all dependent on the compiler i am going to use ? |
| 14:49.53 | chouimat | T0mW: don't know |
| 14:50.09 | T0mW | surfbuddy: usually you have to make some minor mod to the RAM controller init to agree with the size of your RAM. for example there is 10bit vs 12bit column RAM. |
| 14:51.47 | T0mW | surfbuddy: the format of the file would be dependant upon the compiler/assembler. For example, gnu as uses ".text" and ".data" as a shorthand for ".section text" and ".section data", another development tool may use something like "PUBLIC SEGMENT 'text' code readonly" |
| 14:52.26 | T0mW | surfbuddy: same thing, just a different way of expressing it, in that case you would need to rewrite that directive into the gnu syntax |
| 14:52.59 | T0mW | surfbuddy: so, for the most part, your crt0.S can be re-used on another compiler, within considerations. |
| 14:53.04 | surfbuddy | T0mW, if i have one startup file... lets say crt0.s, is it posibble to assemble it with any goddamn compiler just by tweaking those directive into ( ASSEMBLER ) syntax.... |
| 14:54.03 | T0mW | surfbuddy: ahhhh, maybe. Some proprietary compilers will go out of their way to create an oddball opcode syntax, or object file format, so you are locked into them. |
| 14:54.40 | prpplague | surfbuddy: just a note, there are many professionals here that are at work, using IRC from work generally is a privilege, so please keep coarse language to min so the channel is not banned |
| 14:55.13 | T0mW | surfbuddy: for example, it would be possible to use spaces instead of commas between operands: "mov r0,#255" vs. "mov r0 #255" |
| 14:55.20 | surfbuddy | prpplague, aye, sorry ! |
| 14:55.57 | T0mW | surfbuddy: what specific issues are you having with the assmbly statements in your crt0.s ? |
| 14:56.57 | chouimat | T0mW: :) |
| 14:57.03 | surfbuddy | T0mW, i wanted to write a startup for Atmel AT91RM9200 ARM9.. ( dunno if it is armv4 or armv5 ) |
| 14:57.16 | chouimat | v5 |
| 14:57.26 | T0mW | surfbuddy: so, stick with armv4 syntax and it will run on armv5 |
| 14:57.27 | prpplague | surfbuddy: uh why? |
| 14:57.40 | prpplague | surfbuddy: there are plenty of bootloaders for the 9200 series |
| 14:58.07 | T0mW | surfbuddy: all armv5 has is additional opcodes, they didn't rewrite or discard the armv4 ops |
| 14:58.59 | T0mW | now, if you were had a file from armv3 and wanted to use it on a later arm, that could be a problem. IIRC, armv3 was only a 26bit addressing. |
| 14:59.30 | surfbuddy | T0mW, well, thats not at all a issue.. I am using GNU Assembler or rather GNU toolchain ( WINARM ) .. and I have a Keil startup code ( bootstrap.s ) for the same microcontroller ( AT91RM9200 ) |
| 14:59.37 | chouimat | T0mW: v1 to v3 were 26bits |
| 14:59.48 | T0mW | chouimat: nod |
| 15:00.03 | prpplague | surfbuddy: ugh, well their is alot of your problems already |
| 15:00.16 | T0mW | surfbuddy: keil is very good at vendor lockin. |
| 15:00.42 | surfbuddy | T0mW, are u sure... that keil and gnu are not compatible..??? |
| 15:01.09 | T0mW | I'm sure that is not the only problem you are going to have with porting keil code over to gnu. Keil has a lot of "extensions" to the C language. |
| 15:02.16 | surfbuddy | T0mW, //*- File source : Cstartup.s |
| 15:02.16 | prpplague | surfbuddy: and using winarm to do this dev is a mess as well |
| 15:02.17 | surfbuddy | /*- Object : Generic CStartup for KEIL and GCC No Use REMAP |
| 15:02.17 | surfbuddy | /*- Compilation flag : None |
| 15:03.18 | surfbuddy | T0mW, the above was an example from WinARM . |
| 15:03.49 | T0mW | surfbuddy: did you ask on the Atmel mailing list where you can get gnu startup files and linker scripts for your processor? Most people have no problem giving those out. |
| 15:04.49 | T0mW | I dev using the gnu gcc and bintools on a linux host. |
| 15:04.57 | surfbuddy | T0mW, till now, I was just reading and reading.. Looks a good option, if u say so. |
| 15:05.23 | surfbuddy | prpplague, anyways.. i already have a bootloader from UBoot, but how does it bypass the startup code ! |
| 15:05.28 | T0mW | surfbuddy: http://www.openhardware.net/Embedded_ARM/Toolchain/ |
| 15:05.39 | prpplague | surfbuddy: bypass startup code? |
| 15:05.46 | T0mW | surfbuddy: that is for a linux host but should work with cygwin |
| 15:06.19 | surfbuddy | prpplague, when i told, i wantd to write a startup...u answered ... |
| 15:06.20 | surfbuddy | <prpplague> surfbuddy: uh why? |
| 15:06.20 | surfbuddy | <prpplague> surfbuddy: there are plenty of bootloaders for the 9200 series |
| 15:06.44 | prpplague | yes, and? |
| 15:07.05 | T0mW | bootloader is not cstartup |
| 15:07.27 | prpplague | but a bootloader does contain startup code |
| 15:07.35 | T0mW | bootloader offers you other functions to the system: upload new code into Flash, run memory tests, etc. |
| 15:07.51 | prpplague | surfbuddy: what is it you are trying to do? |
| 15:08.25 | surfbuddy | prpplague, i am trying to build a Datalogger with the above said Microcontroller. |
| 15:08.41 | surfbuddy | prpplague, i am a student in Germany |
| 15:08.42 | prpplague | surfbuddy: ok, so what are you trying to do startup code? |
| 15:09.07 | prpplague | s/what/why |
| 15:09.24 | prpplague | surfbuddy: if you already have u-boot working, why are you bothering with it? |
| 15:09.40 | surfbuddy | prpplague, because, as T0mW said, the various things the startup code does..to jump off to the main() |
| 15:10.56 | surfbuddy | prpplague, well, the only thing I need in my project is USART drivers and SD /MMC drivers. |
| 15:11.28 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 15:11.30 | T0mW | surfbuddy: those you WOULD NOT initialize in cstartup (crt0.S) |
| 15:12.06 | surfbuddy | prpplague, will start afresh. ( this is worse than Gautemala Bay ) .. kidding |
| 15:12.07 | T0mW | surfbuddy: UARTs, SPI drivers, those get setup on your main() code. |
| 15:12.08 | prpplague | surfbuddy: load u-boot on your device, write your program in C, compile it, load it onto the device using u-boot and then execute it |
| 15:12.26 | chouimat | LyosNorezel2: hehe |
| 15:12.37 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:13.18 | chouimat | LyosNorezel2: there was one last week or the week before that was absolutely hilarious |
| 15:13.37 | prpplague | surfbuddy: let me ask you a simple question, what does a bootloader do? |
| 15:14.21 | T0mW | surfbuddy: I write code on ARM7TDMI-S systems, they don't need something like uboot. If you have an MMU in your system + tons of RAM, then something like uboot *could* be useful. But, on a single task, simple controller, especially a TDMI core, you don't need it. |
| 15:14.40 | LyosNorezel2 | chouimat: it's incredibly funny |
| 15:14.50 | LyosNorezel2 | gonna have to bookmark that |
| 15:15.05 | prpplague | T0mW: he's using a larger system, so using u-boot is the easiest way to do that |
| 15:15.11 | T0mW | ah |
| 15:15.34 | prpplague | T0mW: the at91RM9200 is fully linux capable |
| 15:15.36 | T0mW | funny, I never thought of the atmel arm cores as being "big" |
| 15:15.48 | T0mW | MMU? |
| 15:15.51 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 15:16.00 | *** join/#edev philv (n=philv@plasticnetworks.com) |
| 15:16.16 | surfbuddy | prpplague, a bootloader boots the PC and gives the control to the OS |
| 15:16.16 | prpplague | T0mW: even with your arm7tdmi chips, using a bootloader makes things easier for development |
| 15:16.22 | prpplague | surfbuddy: NO |
| 15:16.44 | philv | Morning all |
| 15:16.54 | T0mW | philv: oh yeah!? |
| 15:16.55 | prpplague | surfbuddy: a bootload initializes the basic components of a system in order to start a program at a given location |
| 15:17.02 | T0mW | philv: heh, morning |
| 15:17.11 | prpplague | surfbuddy: has nothing to do with PC or OS or control |
| 15:17.14 | philv | :) |
| 15:17.24 | chouimat | hi philv |
| 15:17.31 | philv | hey chouimat |
| 15:17.39 | philv | comment ca va? |
| 15:18.15 | surfbuddy | prpplague, and u mean those basic components which otherwise would have been initialisd by startup.S |
| 15:18.17 | chouimat | LyosNorezel2: allready read the one titled "The Joe Board"? |
| 15:18.25 | prpplague | surfbuddy: no |
| 15:18.36 | chouimat | philv: moyen |
| 15:19.36 | surfbuddy | prpplague, phew ! |
| 15:20.33 | prpplague | surfbuddy: have studied microprocessor architecture? |
| 15:20.39 | LyosNorezel2 | chouimat: don't think so... I'm reading the one titled "Smooth, Like a Factory" |
| 15:20.54 | chouimat | k |
| 15:21.32 | T0mW | dailyWTF, reminds me of the time I did a 'rm -rf *' while in the /dev dir |
| 15:21.32 | surfbuddy | prpplague, yes, ofcourse.. ! i hvent done a lot of projects though |
| 15:21.32 | surfbuddy | prpplague, lemme explain you my knowledge |
| 15:21.39 | prpplague | surfbuddy: what does a processor do when you power it on? |
| 15:21.47 | chouimat | T0mW: read the first one on the page |
| 15:21.51 | philv | chouimat: :( the morning does that to people D: |
| 15:22.14 | philv | I think I've designed what could be considered the most perverse SoC ever |
| 15:22.17 | philv | D: |
| 15:22.19 | surfbuddy | prpplague, the processor has some hard coded lines.. a memory location where it has a kump instruction stored. |
| 15:22.24 | T0mW | chouimat: you mean "It Must Have Been Using Those Files" |
| 15:22.25 | chouimat | philv: cool ... |
| 15:22.25 | T0mW | ? |
| 15:22.27 | surfbuddy | jump* |
| 15:22.29 | chouimat | T0mW: yes |
| 15:22.34 | prpplague | surfbuddy: correct |
| 15:22.36 | T0mW | chouimat: that's the one |
| 15:22.53 | surfbuddy | prpplague, and then it.....thinking.. |
| 15:22.54 | prpplague | surfbuddy: when a bootloader is stored at that location, the bootloader is run |
| 15:23.00 | surfbuddy | prpplague, waitttt |
| 15:23.09 | chouimat | T0mW: I think we all did something like this once |
| 15:23.16 | surfbuddy | prpplague, sorry..wait please |
| 15:23.20 | T0mW | chouimat: or the time I decided to put Stacker on my msdos system... without doing a backup first. |
| 15:23.53 | T0mW | Stacker choked about 80% done and blew the filesystem off the drive. |
| 15:24.00 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 15:24.03 | LyosNorezel2 | ouch |
| 15:24.11 | chouimat | T0mW: ouch ... I did something like this once ... |
| 15:24.14 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:24.21 | surfbuddy | prpplague, and then it runs the internal bootlader, the internal bootlader in ROM makes room to download the external bootloader in the flash memory |
| 15:24.29 | T0mW | who needs tape when you can mirror? |
| 15:24.34 | prpplague | surfbuddy: no |
| 15:24.47 | surfbuddy | prpplague, then ?? |
| 15:25.04 | prpplague | surfbuddy: generally there is no "internal" bootloader |
| 15:25.17 | prpplague | surfbuddy: it stricly reads the bootloader from whatever flash resource you have |
| 15:25.32 | prpplague | surfbuddy: but what i am pointing out is, that the bootloader is just a program that is run |
| 15:25.39 | prpplague | surfbuddy: nothing more nothing less |
| 15:25.53 | LyosNorezel2 | ^and that's on a dual P2 Winblows XP Pro server^ |
| 15:26.02 | prpplague | surfbuddy: in the bootloader, which is just a program, it DOES all of the system startup that is nessary |
| 15:26.02 | chouimat | T0mW: I keep my most important stuff on DVDs (basicly my ebook and mp3 collections) ... and my projects are all on zip100 disks |
| 15:26.10 | prpplague | surfbuddy: such as initialize the uarts |
| 15:26.11 | T0mW | LyosNorezel2: never! |
| 15:26.22 | LyosNorezel2 | ?? |
| 15:26.29 | T0mW | chouimat: yeah, I dump to dvd too |
| 15:26.30 | prpplague | surfbuddy: once the system is configured |
| 15:26.52 | chouimat | T0mW: oh I have backups on my 2 slugs ... |
| 15:27.00 | prpplague | surfbuddy: the bootloader allows you to load another program at a location and then jump to that location for execution |
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| 15:27.09 | surfbuddy | prpplague, ya. but it has to pass the control to something.. how does it know, which location it has to pass the control to ? |
| 15:27.11 | prpplague | surfbuddy: if you have a linux kernel at the location, then linux is started |
| 15:27.23 | T0mW | LyosNorezel2: I've recently been setting up raid 1 on all my systems. I haven't done any raid 5's though |
| 15:27.26 | prpplague | surfbuddy: you specify the location |
| 15:27.41 | prpplague | surfbuddy: for many devices a default address is used for things like linux |
| 15:28.06 | T0mW | LyosNorezel2: nothing like having a 200G drive getting iffy |
| 15:28.06 | surfbuddy | prpplague, u mean main() = linux |
| 15:28.17 | prpplague | surfbuddy: if you want to execute a program that is not linux, simply write your program, load it to the same location you normally put the linux kernel and then jump to it |
| 15:28.31 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: heh... da |
| 15:28.32 | prpplague | surfbuddy: that is correct, the linux kernel basically works as the main() |
| 15:28.53 | prpplague | surfbuddy: after all, the linux kernel is nothing more than just another C program |
| 15:29.20 | T0mW | prpplague: with some glorious complicated asm doing the MMU setup... |
| 15:29.35 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 15:29.43 | philv | T0mW: ever seen the TLB exception handler for MIPS? |
| 15:29.46 | philv | tlbex.c iirc |
| 15:29.53 | chouimat | T0mW: glorious complicated asm is that another way of say BLACKMAGIC ;) |
| 15:29.54 | philv | Highly recommended reading |
| 15:30.00 | surfbuddy | prpplague, I knew all these what u told me but i always thot that the bootloader passes the pointer to the startup code ... |
| 15:30.07 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: my home computer is a dual P3 with 1.5GB ram... with 4 HDs, 2 DVD +/-RWs, 1 DVD-ROM, and 1 Zip100 drive |
| 15:30.10 | T0mW | philv: naw, still chewing my way through ARM stuff |
| 15:30.15 | chouimat | philv: help you sleep at night ;) |
| 15:30.27 | philv | chouimat: more like give you nightmares. |
| 15:30.30 | philv | ths is scary D: |
| 15:30.38 | prpplague | surfbuddy: i think you are thinking of it incorrectly |
| 15:30.40 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: running FC6 |
| 15:30.51 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: all IDE btw |
| 15:31.05 | prpplague | surfbuddy: just think of a bootloader and linux kernel as just C programs that are executed |
| 15:31.11 | T0mW | LyosNorezel2: my main dev machine here at the house is an AMD X2 4800+, 4G DDR, and a terabyte (twin 500's) |
| 15:31.15 | chouimat | philv: I know ... I started to read the code of netbsd for my O2 kernel and I decided to stop |
| 15:31.42 | surfbuddy | prpplague, alrite... lemme try then. |
| 15:31.52 | T0mW | LyosNorezel2: I wanted to be sure that I didn't waste time during compiles (and OE builds). |
| 15:32.21 | T0mW | oh! I wanted to try firefox on this board... |
| 15:32.56 | philv | chouimat: I'm not sure how NetBSD does it, but in Linux the tlb exception handler is built on boot. 18 instructions max, optimized for that specific machine. I think someone did a PhD thesis on it or something like that |
| 15:33.13 | surfbuddy | prpplague, so..if i am using a GNU tool chain.... and write a main program, does the linker script should have any reference of the startup code / bootloader |
| 15:33.36 | surfbuddy | prpplague, or shoud it only have my main() and other dependancies.. |
| 15:34.09 | chouimat | philv: I have no doubt about it ... because iirc there 4 differents TLB implementations on mips |
| 15:34.20 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: all IDE btw <-- anyone care to guess how I did this? |
| 15:34.38 | prpplague | surfbuddy: the only reference you need, is the address at which the program will be executed from |
| 15:34.44 | prpplague | surfbuddy: and that would go in the linker |
| 15:35.03 | T0mW | LyosNorezel2: added a terciary controller? |
| 15:36.03 | surfbuddy | prpplague, could u elaborate ur last statement... for eg..the main() starts at 0xFF00 ...and thats where the bootloader passes the pointer to. |
| 15:37.09 | surfbuddy | prpplague, lastly.. why are there are so many compilers in this world.... when the machine code generated is the same for all of them |
| 15:37.29 | prpplague | surfbuddy: everyone wants to make a dollar |
| 15:38.05 | T0mW | or in Keil's case several thousand of them at once. |
| 15:38.29 | T0mW | prpplague: you ever price their dev tools? Like $6K |
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| 15:38.47 | surfbuddy | T0mW, , but an application code written for Keil can very well taken and compiled with GNU tooolchain ?? |
| 15:38.49 | prpplague | T0mW: no never did as i always use GNU tools for free |
| 15:39.05 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: WTF is a terciary controller? |
| 15:39.31 | T0mW | LyosNorezel2: heh, I meant a third IDE controller, one of the addon cards |
| 15:40.37 | T0mW | surfbuddy: yes, with work. lots of people on the LPC2000 mailing list convert code examples from keil over to gcc. It does take some effort as it cannot be used "as is" |
| 15:41.22 | surfbuddy | T0mW, why not !! its just a C code... how is it related to a compiler ? |
| 15:41.41 | prpplague | but if you start out just using gnu toolchain code, then you don't have to deal with the issues |
| 15:41.45 | T0mW | surfbuddy: they add new keywords to the language |
| 15:42.13 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: da... I added a SIIG card |
| 15:42.28 | LyosNorezel2 | all four of my HDDs are on that care |
| 15:42.36 | LyosNorezel2 | *card |
| 15:42.38 | surfbuddy | T0mW, and which only the own compiler understands... !! phew.. ! |
| 15:42.49 | philv | Man, a lot of good Xilinx gear is showing up on eBay, just so people know ;) |
| 15:43.01 | chouimat | :) |
| 15:43.06 | surfbuddy | T0mW, can u give me one example of this new keyword ? |
| 15:43.06 | T0mW | surfbuddy: for example, it gnu gcc C code, we add attributes to data: "typedef struct __attribute__((packed)) {" Same thing with keil, only they are more industrious on how many new ones they added. |
| 15:43.20 | T0mW | surfbuddy: "at" |
| 15:44.33 | chouimat | sound like a C++-like keyword |
| 15:44.49 | surfbuddy | prpplague, surfbuddy: the only reference you need, is the address at which the program will be executed from |
| 15:44.49 | surfbuddy | <prpplague> surfbuddy: and that would go in the linker |
| 15:45.09 | prpplague | surfbuddy: yea, just link your program and go |
| 15:45.22 | T0mW | surfbuddy: when we want to place code at a specific address, most compilers rely on the linker to do this. you create a linker definition which describes where various things are to be placed. In Keil C, you can specify that location when you define the function "void OverThere (void) at 0xf0000000" |
| 15:45.33 | surfbuddy | prpplague, can u please give me an example..considering... the main() is located at 0xFF00 |
| 15:47.46 | surfbuddy | T0mW, ok, then I definetly have to create a linker script if not a startup code . assuming the U Boot bootloader takes care of that |
| 15:48.25 | T0mW | surfbuddy: like I said before, go onto an atmel oriented mailing list and just ask for this stuff. |
| 15:48.47 | prpplague | surfbuddy: you always have to have a linker script |
| 15:48.51 | T0mW | surfbuddy: I don't think anyone here uses atmel processors |
| 15:48.57 | surfbuddy | T0mW, prima.. Danke sehr ( Thanks a lot ) |
| 15:49.40 | surfbuddy | prpplague, do u ... ...... :/ |
| 15:50.11 | surfbuddy | prpplague, thanks.. for all the answers... |
| 15:50.20 | surfbuddy | prpplague, see u all soon.. hehe |
| 15:51.09 | chouimat | T0mW: what is the problem with the z80 ... I know it's old and ugly but :) |
| 15:51.27 | philv | This is fun... I have 512 instructions and 512 words of stack space to initialize DRAM, CompactFlash, copy firmware from CF to DRAM, then jump to location in DRAM :D |
| 15:52.47 | lkm | hi, regards s3c2410 map_desc structure, must i convert physical to a page frame number address ? |
| 15:53.53 | lkm | must i use __phys_to_pfn ? |
| 15:55.25 | T0mW | lkm: I've got one of those s3c2410 systems here, what are you trying to do? |
| 15:56.33 | lkm | T0mW: .. i still looking why cs8900 does not works |
| 15:57.40 | T0mW | lkm: yeah, you have to map it, my code wouldn't work without that statement. |
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| 15:59.02 | lkm | T0mW: because if i set S3C2410_CS3 instead of __phys_to_pfn(S3C2410_CS3), reading from firtual address raise Ooops |
| 15:59.17 | T0mW | chouimat: the thing that always gets me about OE is that how much code a single line in a recipe can cause to be compiled. |
| 15:59.36 | lkm | T0mW: and in other boards examples physicall address is not converted |
| 15:59.53 | lkm | T0mW: but in yours patchs it is .. |
| 16:00.05 | T0mW | shrug, works |
| 16:00.05 | chouimat | T0mW: this one is so good ... http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/101329.aspx |
| 16:00.18 | T0mW | lkm: you have a JTAG there? |
| 16:00.19 | chouimat | T0mW: hehe |
| 16:01.31 | T0mW | lkm: you can use JTAG to debug the linux kernel or use the gdb stub for the kernel. prpplague I think uses a soft probe on his kernels. |
| 16:01.58 | T0mW | prpplague: what is that software thingy for debugging the kernel called? |
| 16:02.05 | lkm | T0mW: no, i have no. |
| 16:02.12 | T0mW | kdebug or something? |
| 16:02.41 | T0mW | lkm: of course, you can always printk the value |
| 16:02.46 | lkm | T0mW: printk ? |
| 16:03.07 | T0mW | lkm: certainly! printk is the kernel equivilant of printf |
| 16:03.38 | T0mW | lkm: you can printk("anything you want, or even variables %d", myvar); |
| 16:04.01 | T0mW | lkm: it then gets printed onto the booting console |
| 16:04.12 | lkm | T0mW: yes i use it .. |
| 16:04.16 | T0mW | ok |
| 16:04.47 | T0mW | try printing the value out for the __phys_to_pfn and see if it makes sense. |
| 16:05.20 | T0mW | lkm: if it is < 0xf0000000, you are in trouble |
| 16:07.23 | sjhill | i would like to go on record as saying that cross building 'hal' from source and satisfying dependencies is horrific |
| 16:07.29 | T0mW | chouimat: yeah, I saw that one. I was halfway through reading it and I was thinking of using what they came up with. Just something to wiggle the mouse. |
| 16:08.30 | T0mW | sjhill: I've had days like that. |
| 16:08.48 | prpplague | T0mW: there is kgdb and openocd |
| 16:09.03 | T0mW | ah, yeah, kgdb |
| 16:09.51 | lkm | T0mW: Yes, it shift by 12 |
| 16:10.05 | prpplague | brb |
| 16:10.41 | sjhill | w00t! |
| 16:10.47 | sjhill | it finally built! |
| 16:10.51 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 16:10.58 | sjhill | took all week to get here |
| 16:11.19 | sjhill | after testing, i'll check everything into buildroot |
| 16:11.31 | lkm | T0mW: actually address is 0x00018000 after that |
| 16:12.49 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 16:13.16 | sjhill | udev-101, dbus-1.0.0, dbus-glib-0.72, hal-0.5.8 |
| 16:13.16 | T0mW | sjhill: yeah, but the debug has only just started. :( |
| 16:13.27 | sjhill | yeah |
| 16:13.30 | sjhill | it will be a treat |
| 16:13.33 | T0mW | sjhill: dbus sux |
| 16:13.38 | sjhill | but at least i can 'strace' something now |
| 16:13.52 | T0mW | sjhill: you doing this in OE |
| 16:13.55 | T0mW | ? |
| 16:14.51 | prpplague | T0mW: buildroto |
| 16:14.53 | prpplague | root |
| 16:16.54 | T0mW | heh, roto-builder |
| 16:17.00 | T0mW | like the roto-rooter man |
| 16:18.01 | T0mW | I've got to stop wearing my sneakers in the house, now I've got these little bits of gravel in the rug. |
| 16:18.18 | T0mW | they hide from the vacuum |
| 16:42.37 | lkm | hyh, i made some tests know, actually i can map virtual addresses belong cs0 + 0x18000 and cs1 |
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| 17:04.38 | LyosNorezel2 | ok... now I'm really confused... have any of ya'll ever seen a power supply (computer)... |
| 17:05.01 | LyosNorezel2 | with the P4 connector... that refuses to work when the p4 connector is plugged in? |
| 17:31.48 | jbevren | LyosNorezel2: motherboard is shorted? |
| 17:32.13 | jbevren | afk |
| 17:40.48 | lkm` | T0mW: do you know how bank control registers are defined for different chip select ? |
| 17:47.12 | LyosNorezel2 | jbevren: no |
| 17:56.47 | wmat | prpplague: any good at creating graphics? |
| 17:56.57 | wmat | or anyone for that matter |
| 17:59.39 | LyosNorezel2 | heh... I wish |
| 18:00.08 | LyosNorezel2 | everything I draw/sketch/etc comes out looking like a 2 year old made it |
| 18:01.59 | prpplague | wmat: nope |
| 18:07.02 | wmat | heh |
| 18:07.13 | wmat | i'd like some original icons for the wiki |
| 18:07.23 | wmat | the gentoo wiki is using kde icons |
| 18:08.03 | sjhill | you're just challenged in general |
| 18:08.06 | sjhill | :P |
| 18:08.37 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 18:16.32 | LyosNorezel2 | *sigh* looks like no one is interested in hacking DLink routers |
| 18:17.39 | LyosNorezel2 | such a pity too... what a wonderful waste of a beautiful bit of hardware... |
| 18:18.02 | LyosNorezel2 | MIPS CPUs... SDRAM... Flash... MiniPCI... |
| 18:18.10 | LyosNorezel2 | oiy... prime hacking |
| 18:18.35 | wmat | screw it, I just used the gentoo-wiki icons for now |
| 18:18.42 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 18:18.53 | wmat | http://embeddedlinux.movial.fi/index.php/Main_Page |
| 18:19.07 | wmat | now I need some large icons for each of the subject portal |
| 18:21.57 | wmat | how about a rubber boot for boot time? |
| 18:24.27 | prpplague | wmat: well, if you are wanting my advice, and it seems you are |
| 18:25.28 | prpplague | wmat: keep the graphics to a min and just use some generic icons to indicate that the topic has more info available and such |
| 18:26.54 | wmat | prpplague: graphics will be kept to a minimum, i.e. likely only on the Main page |
| 18:28.35 | prpplague | wahoooooo |
| 18:28.40 | prpplague | it about freaking time |
| 18:28.41 | LyosNorezel2 | ??? |
| 18:29.09 | prpplague | s/vis/visa |
| 18:29.35 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 18:30.44 | sjhill | yay |
| 18:30.45 | prpplague | that will be 23 months to the day since we applied |
| 18:31.23 | wmat | wow |
| 18:31.23 | LyosNorezel2 | any idea on how to figure out what size resistor/capacitor is needed on a board that sustained some damage? |
| 18:32.25 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: uh thats a very vague question |
| 18:32.56 | LyosNorezel2 | my DLink AP sustained some minor damage... |
| 18:33.02 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: kinda like asking, any idea on what oil filter to use on a 4 wheeled gas engine vehicle |
| 18:33.35 | LyosNorezel2 | 3 resistors and 3 capacitors were somehow removed |
| 18:33.44 | LyosNorezel2 | looks like they broke off |
| 18:34.13 | LyosNorezel2 | and I ain't got a clue what the values were |
| 18:34.53 | LyosNorezel2 | all SMT/SMD btw |
| 18:36.30 | LyosNorezel2 | ideas on figuring out the values needed? |
| 18:39.57 | wmat | LyosNorezel2: find the original specs somewhere, or perhaps an identical board for reference |
| 18:40.25 | LyosNorezel2 | umph |
| 18:40.33 | LyosNorezel2 | that could be difficult |
| 18:40.46 | LyosNorezel2 | it's a DLink DWL-6000AP |
| 18:41.00 | LyosNorezel2 | so finding the specs would be near impossible |
| 18:42.21 | LyosNorezel2 | heh... |
| 18:42.28 | LyosNorezel2 | this is the only one on ebay |
| 18:42.30 | LyosNorezel2 | http://cgi.ebay.com/D-LINK-WIRELESS-ACCESS-POINT-DWL-6000AP_W0QQitemZ190048208409QQihZ009QQcategoryZ51164QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem |
| 18:42.40 | LyosNorezel2 | and it's untested with no cord |
| 18:43.15 | LyosNorezel2 | $22 USD delivered ain't bad though |
| 18:44.05 | prpplague | cute, seems like i had one of those once |
| 18:44.51 | LyosNorezel2 | do ye still have it? |
| 18:45.52 | prpplague | no, that was back in the days when i worked for abcsinc |
| 18:46.40 | LyosNorezel2 | damn |
| 18:48.08 | wmat | i'm guessing you can't tell from this: |
| 18:48.10 | wmat | http://www.nag.ru/goodies/foto/wireless/DWL-6000AP.jpg |
| 18:49.47 | LyosNorezel2 | no... close though |
| 18:49.53 | LyosNorezel2 | you see that heatsink? |
| 18:50.11 | LyosNorezel2 | and above it the black IC chip |
| 18:50.12 | LyosNorezel2 | ? |
| 18:50.19 | wmat | you can zoom in pretty good on that image |
| 18:50.36 | chouimat | wow the new maps.yahoo.com SUCKS |
| 18:50.51 | LyosNorezel2 | just underneath that second chip is a set of 4 resistors |
| 18:51.01 | LyosNorezel2 | side-by-side |
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| 18:52.35 | LyosNorezel2 | wmat: ye... but not quite good enough |
| 18:52.53 | wmat | oh well |
| 19:00.47 | LyosNorezel2 | oiy... fecking customs |
| 19:03.33 | prpplague | amen |
| 19:03.36 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 19:04.19 | LyosNorezel2 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320038829681 |
| 19:04.30 | LyosNorezel2 | I ordered those... on Nov 1 |
| 19:04.41 | LyosNorezel2 | it was mailed Nov 4 |
| 19:04.56 | LyosNorezel2 | and departed Hong Kong Nov 9 |
| 19:05.30 | LyosNorezel2 | it's now Nov 16... and I STILL haven't received my fecking items |
| 19:13.30 | wmat | chouimat: so I've been applying for jobs up north lately, so if I get lucky, I'll be back among a majority of french canadians very soon |
| 19:14.02 | wmat | and in related news, i've applied for my gun license ;) |
| 19:15.32 | LyosNorezel2 | wmat: what do you have to do to get a gun license in canada? |
| 19:16.05 | wmat | LyosNorezel2: not much really, fill out a form, provide references |
| 19:16.32 | LyosNorezel2 | no firing range? no safety test? |
| 19:16.54 | wmat | oh yeah, a gun safety certification course |
| 19:16.58 | wmat | which i haven't taken yet |
| 19:17.01 | LyosNorezel2 | ah |
| 19:17.51 | chouimat | wmat: I have a job interview next wednesday ... so I relaxing until then (don't want to get there pissed off) /me looks for some real wood :) |
| 19:17.51 | LyosNorezel2 | s/want/wants |
| 19:18.24 | wmat | chouimat: what's the interview? |
| 19:18.32 | wmat | i thought you had a decent job |
| 19:20.48 | prpplague | chouimat: when will you get it in your head, they aren't gonna hire you to be the "stud" in pr0n movies? |
| 19:21.04 | chouimat | wmat: self-employed and working on a project with a nutcase (which I didn't had news from for a week) and personaly I know that the project will fail and I'm tired of sharing the risk with this guys (lately out of 10 projects 4 somewhat succeded) I need something else in my life |
| 19:21.28 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: that's cold |
| 19:21.30 | prpplague | chouimat: a chia pet ? |
| 19:21.46 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: chouimat and i go back a long way, so we can joke around |
| 19:22.01 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 19:22.24 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: are you any good at SMD/SMT work? |
| 19:22.40 | chouimat | LyosNorezel2: I have to remind him (once a week) that Texans aren't human :) |
| 19:22.45 | prpplague | chouimat: http://www.chia.com/ |
| 19:22.50 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 19:22.51 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 19:23.03 | prpplague | chouimat: i bet you could succeded with that! |
| 19:23.11 | chouimat | prpplague: lol |
| 19:23.12 | prpplague | wait...... |
| 19:24.15 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm currently considering going out early to drink a few beers today |
| 19:25.34 | wmat | chouimat: I thought you went out everyday? |
| 19:25.53 | chouimat | wmat: no I stayed home ... |
| 19:25.57 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: are you any good at SMD/SMT work? |
| 19:26.36 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:27.11 | LyosNorezel2 | think you could do a bit of repair work for me? |
| 19:30.18 | LyosNorezel2 | ?? |
| 19:31.42 | chouimat | prpplague: btw the reason of the failure is not me ... but him (I guess a few of those failure can make really nice dailywtf stories ) |
| 19:33.13 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: uh no, it would cost you $300USD just to send the device to me, and by the time it clears customs, i'd be long gone to the states |
| 19:33.22 | prpplague | chouimat: i know, just teasing you |
| 19:34.06 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: and even assuming that i was here, it would then cost me atleast the same amount to send it back to you |
| 19:34.21 | LyosNorezel2 | $300 just to send it to ye? |
| 19:34.27 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: 6 months and $600 isn't worth it |
| 19:34.43 | LyosNorezel2 | for an item that barely weighs 2lbs? |
| 19:34.50 | prpplague | yep |
| 19:35.03 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: duties, taxes, bribes, shipping |
| 19:35.25 | LyosNorezel2 | heh... I've shipped things to canada before |
| 19:35.31 | chouimat | prpplague: I like this one ... "bribes" alway usefull to get things done ;) |
| 19:35.38 | LyosNorezel2 | and never had that kind of problem |
| 19:35.38 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: uh, i don't live in canada |
| 19:35.49 | LyosNorezel2 | where then? |
| 19:35.52 | LyosNorezel2 | mexico? |
| 19:35.52 | prpplague | barbados |
| 19:35.57 | LyosNorezel2 | ah |
| 19:36.22 | LyosNorezel2 | how long till yer back in the States? |
| 19:37.14 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: if everything goes well on the 4th, we will have plane tickets for either dec29, or jan12 |
| 19:37.36 | LyosNorezel2 | umph |
| 19:38.06 | prpplague | basically it that will be about 26 months since our adventure started |
| 19:38.19 | LyosNorezel2 | yow |
| 19:38.39 | LyosNorezel2 | anyone else here good at SMD/SMT? |
| 19:38.45 | prpplague | with a grand total of about $8132USD in fees |
| 19:38.54 | LyosNorezel2 | YOWZA |
| 19:39.02 | LyosNorezel2 | what a horrible place |
| 19:39.16 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: you'd probably have better luck getting someone in ##microcontrollers to do the repair |
| 19:39.25 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: the US? |
| 19:39.43 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: no... barbados |
| 19:40.03 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: uh are you refering to the amount of fees? |
| 19:40.10 | LyosNorezel2 | if it really takes all that just to get out of the country... I will never go there |
| 19:40.36 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: thats for us to GO to the US |
| 19:40.43 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 19:40.51 | chouimat | LyosNorezel2: no it's for getting back in the US ... to get him out of the Most Wanted list ;) |
| 19:40.58 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 19:41.00 | LyosNorezel2 | ROFL |
| 19:41.37 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: barbados is a nice place to go on holiday, not so nice to live there |
| 19:41.48 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 19:41.56 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: immigration for barbados too me all of 20 minutes and i was a citizen |
| 19:42.06 | LyosNorezel2 | hehe |
| 19:42.56 | LyosNorezel2 | one of these days... I'm going to buy a small island somewhere... and tell the US to go screw itself |
| 19:43.18 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: well, all i have to say to you is, try it first |
| 19:43.19 | LyosNorezel2 | hell... tell the world to go screw itself |
| 19:44.28 | chouimat | LyosNorezel2: no new the world and the US are currently doing it anyway :) |
| 19:44.44 | LyosNorezel2 | hehe |
| 19:45.25 | chouimat | ok why I typed new when I wanted to type need ??? |
| 19:45.44 | prpplague | chouimat: you tell us |
| 19:45.57 | chouimat | prpplague: probably "Low on beer" |
| 19:46.04 | wmat | if anyone is so incline, you can add IRC channels to the wiki here: http://embeddedlinux.movial.fi/index.php/ELinuxWiki:Irc |
| 19:46.41 | LyosNorezel2 | wmat: you can add #DLinkHacking if ye like... |
| 19:46.52 | LyosNorezel2 | <-- too lazy to do it himself |
| 19:47.01 | wmat | heh |
| 19:47.36 | prpplague | wmat: what? no #goatse.cx ? |
| 19:48.31 | wmat | haha, no shite ;) |
| 19:49.44 | prpplague | wmat: my humor is dry and weird i sometimes have to remind people that i am joking |
| 19:51.36 | wmat | haha, no worries, mine is similar |
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| 19:55.40 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 19:57.13 | LyosNorezel2 | *sigh* |
| 19:57.49 | LyosNorezel2 | can't anyone do a little bit of SMD/SMT repair work for me? |
| 20:03.04 | ccjoe | LyosNorexel2: what kind of repair work? |
| 20:05.28 | LyosNorezel2 | I need 6 parts replaced on a DLink Access Point board |
| 20:05.33 | LyosNorezel2 | 3 resistors |
| 20:05.38 | LyosNorezel2 | 3 capacitors |
| 20:06.48 | ccjoe | yea, we could do it |
| 20:12.22 | LyosNorezel2 | ccjoe: price? would you be willing to accept a trade? |
| 20:12.51 | ccjoe | will you supply the parts? |
| 20:13.26 | LyosNorezel2 | no... I have none available |
| 20:13.48 | ccjoe | I'll need to know what the parts are then |
| 20:14.11 | LyosNorezel2 | I have no idea as to the value of the missing/broken parts |
| 20:29.12 | LyosNorezel2 | ccjoe: ?? |
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| 22:55.13 | prpplague | who summons THE Plague? |
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