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| 14:34.53 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:05.32 | T0mW | well... |
| 15:05.52 | T0mW | I bricked the LCD / LCD controller somehow. :( |
| 15:06.06 | T0mW | $300 TFT down the toilet |
| 15:06.35 | agaffney | :/ |
| 15:06.41 | agaffney | how did you manage to do that? |
| 15:06.55 | chouimat | hi T0mW agaffney |
| 15:07.03 | agaffney | 'morning |
| 15:07.45 | T0mW | not sure, I pulled the dev board off the lcd to look the touch screen controller wiring over, then when I put it back on, when I was pressing the LCD header back into place, I heard a faint 'crack' |
| 15:08.14 | T0mW | I wasn't being rough on it, at least I thought not. |
| 15:09.08 | agaffney | the 'crack' is right up there next to the magic blue smoke release |
| 15:09.19 | T0mW | :/ |
| 15:14.26 | T0mW | so, I just had to advance the part of the project where the STN display is to be installed. |
| 15:45.35 | sfsd | i have a question.. does the IDE Metrowerks also support to build projects related to ARM Core |
| 15:46.35 | sfsd | or is it just for Freescale and 68K processors? |
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| 17:15.05 | prpplague | ade|desk: hey hey |
| 17:15.15 | ade|desk | what SoC systems are there that are extremely cheap and probably not ARM based ? |
| 17:15.33 | prpplague | ade|desk: uh |
| 17:15.41 | prpplague | ade|desk: that run linux? |
| 17:15.49 | ade|desk | i need a simple linux or uclinux SoC |
| 17:16.06 | prpplague | ade|desk: with the requirment that it not be arm? |
| 17:16.12 | ade|desk | and i guess nic capable |
| 17:16.36 | ade|desk | well ARMs are not so cheap, but it could be arm i guess |
| 17:16.54 | prpplague | hmm, arm7's are pretty darn cheap |
| 17:17.05 | prpplague | ade|desk: you want a dev board? |
| 17:17.25 | ade|desk | yeah just a simple one |
| 17:17.39 | ade|desk | no fancy crap |
| 17:18.01 | prpplague | ade|desk: what kind of ram/flash you need? |
| 17:18.05 | ade|desk | i dont need it to do the cooking or cleaning , nor start my car from 50 feet away |
| 17:18.27 | ade|desk | 4mb/2mb at most |
| 17:18.42 | prpplague | ade|desk: what kind of money are you looking to spend? |
| 17:19.13 | prpplague | ade|desk: 802.11b ok instead of ethernet? |
| 17:19.30 | ade|desk | less than 100 usd for the dev, and if the device goes ok , less than $15 for production i guess |
| 17:19.45 | ade|desk | no wlan just wired |
| 17:19.58 | prpplague | ade|desk: oh you want to prototype a production device? |
| 17:20.06 | ade|desk | yes |
| 17:20.20 | prpplague | ade|desk: then i would suggest the s3c44b0x design |
| 17:20.24 | prpplague | ade|desk: from samsung |
| 17:20.37 | prpplague | ade|desk: thats the same processor thats in the JuiceBox |
| 17:20.49 | ade|desk | good at sucking power or not ? |
| 17:21.35 | prpplague | ade|desk: juicebox runs on 3 AA batteries |
| 17:21.35 | ade|desk | oh yeah, that device was good, what bootloader was that ? |
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| 17:22.16 | prpplague | ade|desk: the juicebox uses a custom loader, but their is support for the s3c44b0x in u-boot and vivi |
| 17:22.19 | prpplague | ade|desk: apex could be adapted easy since it already supports the s3c2410 |
| 17:22.27 | prpplague | ade|desk: http://anyway.no-ip.org:8080/ep/44B0db/44B0db.htm |
| 17:22.29 | ade|desk | uboot seems ok to play with |
| 17:22.51 | prpplague | ade|desk: yea, i much prefer apex |
| 17:22.55 | prpplague | ade|desk: as it is very small |
| 17:23.02 | prpplague | ade|desk: average build is about 16k |
| 17:23.26 | prpplague | ade|desk: the s3c44b0x is a qfp package which makes for an easier board design and less production cost |
| 17:23.34 | ade|desk | doh 10mbit need 100. not that it will be passing much data at that speed |
| 17:24.07 | prpplague | ade|desk: you can use another rtl controller |
| 17:24.16 | prpplague | ade|desk: but that would give you the basic design |
| 17:24.33 | ade|desk | looks promising |
| 17:24.54 | ade|desk | fist time i've dipped into mmu-less ness |
| 17:24.59 | ade|desk | s/fist/first |
| 17:25.07 | prpplague | ade|desk: yea its not too bad as long as you choose properly |
| 17:26.15 | ade|desk | wow more features than i need on that, lol IDE, USB |
| 17:26.22 | ade|desk | buttons are useful |
| 17:27.14 | prpplague | ade|desk: you can add lcd as well if needed |
| 17:27.45 | ade|desk | hmm good point, i need to look into 2 line lcd screens |
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| 17:28.18 | prpplague | ade|desk: cheaper to just get a 160x160 these days |
| 17:29.31 | ade|desk | grr my google power are weak today, 17inch lcds but 160x160 ... nope |
| 17:29.42 | prpplague | ade|desk: for 10/100 ethernet you can use this - http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7831 |
| 17:29.49 | prpplague | ade|desk: hehe |
| 17:29.54 | mmp | Hello; does the ARM architecture have some kind of i/o address space (like x86 has), or it uses solely memory based i/o? |
| 17:31.05 | prpplague | ade|desk: http://www.microtipsusa.com/content/Products_graphicLCD.asp |
| 17:31.10 | prpplague | ade|desk: nice quality and cheap |
| 17:31.43 | prpplague | mmp: generally speaking most arm devices use a memory based i/o |
| 17:32.08 | prpplague | mmp: what is it that you are trying to do or have a question about |
| 17:32.25 | mmp | prpplague: I'm having problems with samcop chip found in some ipaq's; I'm trying to get working its OHCI block |
| 17:32.52 | prpplague | mmp: ahh, well all of the samcop folks are over in #handhelds.org |
| 17:32.54 | mmp | in other words, fix the driver to work with linux 2.6.16 kernel |
| 17:32.59 | ade|desk | i hate sites that don't give ballpark prices |
| 17:33.17 | mmp | prpplague: well, they didn't reply :( |
| 17:33.48 | prpplague | mmp: they might be busy with work and such |
| 17:33.54 | prpplague | mmp: simply ask and wait |
| 17:33.55 | prpplague | ade|desk: http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?Ntt=microtips |
| 17:34.17 | ade|desk | prpplague: damn your good! |
| 17:34.18 | ade|desk | tahnks |
| 17:34.22 | ade|desk | thanks even |
| 17:34.25 | mmp | prpplague: yes; maybe I just want all info ASAP:) Or I can use the old trial and error method as well:) |
| 17:35.04 | prpplague | ade|desk: hehe |
| 17:35.27 | mmp | prpplague: thanks:) |
| 17:35.39 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.39 | prpplague | T0mW: ping ping ping |
| 17:42.08 | prpplague | T0mW: ping^3 |
| 17:42.22 | prpplague | T0mW: pppiiinnnggg |
| 17:42.40 | prpplague | ~rot13 ping |
| 17:42.41 | purl | cvat |
| 17:42.44 | prpplague | T0mW: cvat |
| 17:46.34 | ade|desk | lol, wtf |
| 17:46.54 | ade|desk | prpplague get back to the US and ping from there |
| 17:46.59 | ade|desk | (by car) |
| 17:47.00 | prpplague | ade|desk: hehe |
| 17:47.15 | prpplague | ade|desk: my ping's bothering you? |
| 17:47.27 | prpplague | ~rot13 ade|desk |
| 17:47.27 | purl | nqr|qrfx |
| 17:48.20 | ade|desk | lol |
| 17:48.50 | ade|desk | hmm who are anyway tech ? |
| 17:49.11 | prpplague | ade|desk: uh what? |
| 17:49.33 | prpplague | ade|desk: oh you mean that s3c44b0x board? |
| 17:49.46 | prpplague | ade|desk: just a small electronics shop in tw |
| 17:49.53 | prpplague | ade|desk: i have two of their boards |
| 17:50.04 | prpplague | ade|desk: you can find some other s3c44b0x floating around on ebay |
| 17:50.12 | prpplague | ade|desk: but they tend to be a little more expensive |
| 17:51.22 | prpplague | ade|desk: ebay Item number: 230006714510 |
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| 18:00.49 | ade|desk | http://hackables.eu/product_info.php/products_id/33?osCsid=a5e20f217d9941c4eecd16eda3657327 |
| 18:01.24 | prpplague | ade|desk: yea, don't think i can access their site, the have restrictions for access outside of eu |
| 18:01.40 | prpplague | ade|desk: yea, but i know the ones you are refering too |
| 18:03.46 | prpplague | ade|desk: nice |
| 18:11.57 | ade|desk | prpplague: have you taken anything to production based on arm7 ? |
| 18:13.20 | prpplague | ade|desk: arm720t yes, nothing with an arm7tdmi |
| 18:13.31 | prpplague | ade|desk: of course, i've hacked the @#$@#$ out of the juicebox |
| 18:13.50 | ade|desk | it is not something i've ever done, i just got pissed off at work and thought i'd like a device that does what i want and nothing else, loads of other people in my line of work would too, sod it i'll make one and then sell the thing to other engineers |
| 18:14.23 | prpplague | ade|desk: yea |
| 18:16.31 | ade|desk | hmm maybe i should head to the pub and think this over, i have no business plan, no dev to production experience ... grr |
| 18:16.59 | prpplague | ade|desk: well, the easiest thing to do, is make a prototype of the hardware using off the shelf equipment |
| 18:17.40 | prpplague | ade|desk: the per unit cost will be higher initially, but your overall investment to get running will be much smaller |
| 18:17.56 | prpplague | ade|desk: if you need some help or questions, feel free to /msg me |
| 18:18.22 | prpplague | ade|desk: their might be something that already exists that has the exact hardware you need |
| 18:18.26 | ade|desk | prpplague thanks |
| 18:21.25 | prpplague | np |
| 18:21.55 | prpplague | ade|desk: this gonna be some sort of device for networking? |
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| 18:25.17 | ade|desk | yup |
| 18:25.48 | prpplague | ade|desk: might need to use a mips device instead |
| 18:25.56 | prpplague | ade|desk: they tend to have better networking performance |
| 18:26.38 | ade|desk | too many of us end up a ladder with one arm holding a laptop and the other hanging on for dear life, something small is needed |
| 18:27.09 | ade|desk | networking performane is not much of an issue, very very simple data needed |
| 18:27.37 | prpplague | ade|desk: ahh |
| 18:28.33 | prpplague | ade|desk: hehe, sounds like you could use a pixter-mm with an external network module |
| 18:29.36 | prpplague | ade|desk: has to support 10/100 ? |
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| 18:30.37 | prpplague | isenbeck: greetings |
| 18:30.54 | isenbeck | prpplague, salutations |
| 18:31.03 | ade|desk | prpplague yup, must be 10/100 10/100/1000 would be even better ;) |
| 18:31.08 | isenbeck | I hit a !@#$ deer last night |
| 18:31.15 | ade|desk | !!! |
| 18:31.17 | ade|desk | wow |
| 18:31.37 | prpplague | isenbeck: damm |
| 18:31.41 | prpplague | ade|desk: ahh |
| 18:31.59 | prpplague | ade|desk: gonna need something with a 32bit wide databus |
| 18:32.09 | isenbeck | prpplague, That just reaffirms what i already knew about deer hunters |
| 18:32.41 | isenbeck | they kill deer as revenge and as a preventative measure |
| 18:32.42 | ade|desk | ahhh weird film 'the deer hunter' |
| 18:33.08 | prpplague | ade|desk: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/PixterMultimedia |
| 18:33.17 | isenbeck | didnt get my lights.bu it put the fan clutch through the radiator |
| 18:33.25 | prpplague | ade|desk: something like that with a rj45 ontop for the ethernet? |
| 18:33.46 | prpplague | isenbeck: when it rains it pours |
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| 18:35.59 | wmat | isenbeck: did you keep the deer? mmmmmm, venison |
| 18:36.14 | chouimat|away | hehe |
| 18:36.16 | isenbeck | prpplague, !@#$ deer...not the only animal that will see you coming and wait until you are close to cross |
| 18:36.33 | isenbeck | wmat, the deer would have been inedible... |
| 18:37.07 | prpplague | wmat: when you hit it that way it releases alot of chemicals and the meat turns bad |
| 18:37.10 | ade|desk | prpplague: thats almost PDA size. i was thinking more like gumstix with a 2 line lcd |
| 18:37.43 | prpplague | ade|desk: ahh |
| 18:37.43 | prpplague | ade|desk: hehe |
| 18:37.50 | prpplague | ade|desk: you want it to run linux? |
| 18:37.57 | wmat | prpplague: yeah, that's true sometimes |
| 18:38.53 | chouimat|away | hehe I just got a letter saying that my rent is now going from 845 to 842.88 |
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| 18:39.33 | isenbeck | prpplague, wmat the only animal big enough to total a vehicle |
| 18:39.55 | prpplague | isenbeck: cow? |
| 18:40.03 | isenbeck | chouimat|away, sweet.....now you can get that operation you have been needing ;) |
| 18:40.16 | isenbeck | prpplague, not around here |
| 18:40.35 | chouimat|away | isenbeck: lol |
| 18:40.36 | isenbeck | wmat, I did take some deer out of the freezer to eat tonight |
| 18:41.05 | wmat | heh |
| 18:42.43 | jbevren | prpplague: Verify for me (if you remember).. are the 23128 OTP ROM and 27128 EPROM pin-compatible? |
| 18:42.46 | isenbeck | chouimat|away, I am a smart @!#$ I know |
| 18:43.42 | wmat | isenbeck: btw, a moose will flatten a vehicle |
| 18:44.41 | isenbeck | wmat, i'll bet. they are as big or bigger than a cow huh ? |
| 18:44.43 | prpplague | jbevren: sorry cant verify, don't remember off the top of my head |
| 18:44.47 | jbevren | hehe ok |
| 18:44.56 | jbevren | I think theyre supposed to be but cant remember for certain |
| 18:46.47 | wmat | isenbeck: what gets you with the moose is that they're very tall, unlike a cow |
| 18:47.44 | isenbeck | wmat, a lanky beast, a moose is |
| 18:48.15 | isenbeck | wmat, sorry, I watched a few star was episodes last night, i have yoda on the brain |
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| 19:22.16 | prpplague | hmm, anyone used a usb to ethernet adapter? |
| 19:23.10 | jbevren | just cdc_ether (gp2x) |
| 19:24.58 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:33.14 | prpplague | OMG |
| 19:33.16 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8025630336.html |
| 19:33.27 | prpplague | from the inventore of the internet |
| 19:33.38 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 19:34.08 | jbevren | no really. It has builtin decoding for four 16k banks |
| 19:34.10 | jbevren | oop |
| 19:54.57 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: ping |
| 20:57.15 | isenbeck | wmat, what is the command to list pci devices and the driver associated with them ? |
| 21:10.06 | wmat | isenbeck: do you mean lspci -vvv |
| 21:21.40 | isenbeck | wmat, yepper, I was having a blondism and could not remember |
| 21:21.48 | isenbeck | wmat, thnx |
| 21:30.11 | lkcl | http://hands.com/~lkcl/linux.phones.html - review appreciated! |
| 21:39.45 | LyosNorezel | how long ago did prpplague try to reach me? |
| 21:41.20 | jbevren | hour? |
| 21:41.47 | LyosNorezel | ok |
| 21:42.08 | LyosNorezel | I've been sleeping |
| 21:42.32 | LyosNorezel | trying to get over this blasted cold/flu/whatever the hell this shit is |
| 21:57.45 | chouimat|pub | LyosNorezel: haha |
| 21:58.04 | chouimat|pub | LyosNorezel: I'm not gone yet ... stuck on the phone :( |
| 21:58.16 | LyosNorezel | heh |
| 23:02.28 | prpplague^2 | T0mW: ping ping ping |
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| 23:31.54 | sunrunner20 | zomg :P |
| 23:32.17 | sunrunner20 | anybody need some cheap hosting? |
| 23:59.08 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: ping |
| 23:59.36 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: ping |