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| 14:17.02 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 14:17.05 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:37.19 | T0mW | prpplague: hey |
| 14:37.56 | T0mW | prpplague: only 7 hours of work, but I have a good color palette now. |
| 14:40.27 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 14:40.47 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, I KNOW you've been there |
| 14:40.51 | prpplague | T0mW: one of my PM sections took almost 4 months to boil down to just 4 lines |
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| 14:41.38 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, next time it won't take you that long, you may forget where it has the problem, but at least you'll have a sense of where to start drilling down. |
| 14:41.56 | prpplague | T0mW: i started using a project log |
| 14:42.05 | prpplague | T0mW: writing down the problems and solutions |
| 14:42.13 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:42.14 | prpplague | T0mW: along with what i did for testing |
| 14:42.27 | prpplague | T0mW: basically following the scientific method approach |
| 14:42.47 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, and four years from now, with countless entries, I wonder how useful the log will be? |
| 14:42.50 | T0mW | ;) |
| 14:44.10 | likewise | prpplague: I am doing the same since a month or so. If only to show management of the issues involved. (And to get a better feeling about time schedules on hindsight) |
| 14:44.51 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i worried about the same issue, but i've organized them in such a way i can easily match the symptoms and techinies |
| 14:45.05 | prpplague | likewise: yea |
| 14:45.22 | prpplague | i need to find a good program to record the logs |
| 14:45.36 | prpplague | but i feel more comfortable writing down the issues as i work on them |
| 14:45.44 | likewise | prpplague: I use a wiki (TWiki), so it's not for the log alone. |
| 14:46.04 | prpplague | ahh yea |
| 14:46.08 | likewise | prpplague: instead of writing them down, I usually have one scratch page in edit mode. |
| 14:46.25 | likewise | prpplague: but still, paper works best for quick diagrams, etc. |
| 14:48.11 | T0mW | prpplague: FYI, the 12bit color palette gets set as BGR instead of RGB |
| 14:49.49 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 14:49.57 | prpplague | T0mW: you gonna submit a patch to rtp? |
| 14:50.49 | T0mW | prpplague: soon, I suspect that one of his framebuffer patches is causing Xfbdev to deadlock the kernel, I need to correct that first. |
| 14:51.41 | prpplague | T0mW: do small patches |
| 14:51.47 | T0mW | I did have Xfbdev working with the screwy palette code before I patched it with the rtp patch |
| 14:51.53 | prpplague | T0mW: don't try to do too many things in one patch |
| 14:51.59 | T0mW | :D |
| 14:52.06 | T0mW | aww, geee |
| 14:52.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:52.30 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 14:52.36 | T0mW | prpplague: ah, Arlene! |
| 14:58.10 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 14:59.02 | prpplague | pretty sure i can come up with that when we sell off everything before the move |
| 15:00.21 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:00.29 | T0mW | prpplague: garage sale, eh? |
| 15:01.19 | likewise | prpplague: where do you move to, more specificly (not that I know the states that well) |
| 15:02.10 | T0mW | likewise: you cannot know the state: Texas |
| 15:02.23 | T0mW | heehee |
| 15:02.39 | likewise | Never heard of :-) |
| 15:04.57 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:05.08 | prpplague | likewise: yea, got my wife's visa almost 100% complete |
| 15:05.15 | prpplague | likewise: we have one last interview on the 4th |
| 15:05.23 | prpplague | likewise: suppose to be mainly a formality |
| 15:05.49 | likewise | prpplague: good for you! |
| 15:06.25 | likewise | prpplague: you move this year? |
| 15:13.16 | T0mW | prpplague: I would think that the whole purpose of all the paperwork + interviews is to ensure that you really really REALLY want to come into the U.S. |
| 15:14.09 | prpplague | likewise: the 29th hopefully |
| 15:14.35 | prpplague | T0mW: no from what i gather, its more like they want to make you give up |
| 15:15.03 | prpplague | T0mW: make it so difficult that expensive, that you won;t try |
| 15:15.03 | T0mW | prpplague: exactly |
| 15:15.35 | T0mW | prpplague: it is political, don't remove the door, just glue it shut |
| 15:16.55 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 15:17.06 | prpplague | T0mW: the problem is that it forces people to come thru the window |
| 15:18.11 | prpplague | T0mW: i think alot of the people who are illegal would try to do it legally if they could |
| 15:18.18 | T0mW | prpplague: I *told* you so, goto Mexico and climb the fence! |
| 15:18.26 | T0mW | lol |
| 15:18.29 | T0mW | :P |
| 15:18.54 | T0mW | prpplague: wait a year, then claim your Green Card. |
| 15:19.04 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, no need, donna has a tourist visa, she could have come to the states for 30 days and just not gone home |
| 15:22.49 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, looks like the rtp patch deadlocks the kernel with an STN 12bpp |
| 15:23.02 | prpplague | T0mW: interesting |
| 15:23.13 | T0mW | prpplague: NO IT IS NOT! |
| 15:24.04 | T0mW | ok, small steps then. |
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| 15:35.48 | T0mW | I don't feel confortable with his change to the s3c2410fb_hw struct and adding a new field. That breaks the existing machine models. |
| 15:39.52 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, its not that big of a deal |
| 15:39.57 | prpplague | T0mW: i did the same for our stn stuff |
| 15:40.06 | T0mW | ok... |
| 15:40.16 | prpplague | T0mW: but i do think you need to talk to rtp |
| 15:40.24 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm sure he'd help you |
| 15:40.35 | T0mW | prpplague: I know it is not a big deal, but a uni-lateral change such as that causes bit-rot |
| 15:40.52 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 15:41.24 | prpplague | T0mW: but sometimes you have to do some tests, and once you know that the change is NEEDED , you can justify it to the maintainers |
| 15:41.43 | prpplague | T0mW: btw, did i tell you we found our EMI/EMF problem? |
| 15:42.01 | T0mW | prpplague: there was better way, IMHO, to have done that. he could have made a static var inside the s3c2410fb.c code and set it to the "type" inside the s3c2410fb_init code. |
| 15:42.18 | T0mW | prpplague: yes, on the EMI |
| 15:43.00 | T0mW | prpplague: using a static, there would not have been any impact and no bit-rot |
| 15:43.37 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, well the stn patch is already submitted and will probably be in either 2.6.19 or 2.6.20 |
| 15:43.50 | T0mW | patch the patch then, heh |
| 15:44.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:44.28 | prpplague | T0mW: not that bad |
| 15:44.57 | prpplague | funny you know people don't realize that there is no more INS |
| 15:45.18 | prpplague | when Department of Homeland Security took over, they created all new agencies |
| 15:45.43 | prpplague | now its ICE, Immigration Control Enforcement |
| 15:45.54 | T0mW | prpplague: hunph, same people, same building, new names on the doors. |
| 15:46.43 | prpplague | and the customs people at the airports and seaports are now, Border Control and Immigration Service, BCIS |
| 15:47.22 | prpplague | T0mW: and the people in charge of controlling customs and immigration are, US Customs and Immigration Services |
| 15:47.43 | prpplague | T0mW: and visas are actually issued by the department of states, or DoS |
| 15:47.58 | prpplague | T0mW: and all are supervised by the DoHS |
| 15:48.27 | prpplague | and whats funny, none of the agencies talk to each other |
| 15:48.55 | prpplague | ICE can only go by the paper I-94 form you get when entering the country |
| 15:49.06 | prpplague | they have no way to check computer records with the BCIS |
| 15:49.43 | prpplague | and USCIS has no way to check BCIS to see if a person has ever been refused entry, or to check with ICE to see if they have been deported before |
| 15:54.13 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:54.23 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 15:58.58 | prpplague | does anyone else think there is something wrong when a one way ticket is double the cost of a round trip ticket? |
| 15:59.33 | T0mW | prpplague: quantity discount? |
| 16:00.04 | T0mW | prpplague: the airlines have a 2 for 1 sale? |
| 16:00.10 | T0mW | hehe |
| 16:00.13 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, no |
| 16:00.39 | prpplague | T0mW: even with that, it would be the same price |
| 16:01.18 | prpplague | T0mW: if it were a 2 for 1 , then a one way would be the same price as a round trip |
| 16:02.29 | chouimat | prpplague: airlines and country want to get tourists ... so the 2 way is cheaper most of the time to attract them and since they (airlines) lost money on them they have to charge more for the 1 way ... and since Barbados is a nice spot to go in winter the 2 ways ticket is even cheaper so I guess for your 1 way ticket you're paying the regular price |
| 16:02.55 | prpplague | chouimat: yea |
| 16:03.11 | prpplague | chouimat: thats why i'm buying a round-trip, and just no using the other ticket |
| 16:03.16 | prpplague | s/no/not |
| 16:04.04 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, cash in unused portion of the ticket? |
| 16:04.39 | prpplague | 2 adult / 2 childeren round trip, $1809 , same but one-way, $4192 |
| 16:04.45 | prpplague | T0mW: not even gonna bother |
| 16:05.29 | prpplague | chouimat: actually i would agree with you 100% |
| 16:05.49 | T0mW | w00t! |
| 16:05.50 | prpplague | chouimat: but you line of reasoning would apply to people coming here from Canada or the US |
| 16:05.58 | prpplague | chouimat: we are leaving from here |
| 16:06.08 | chouimat | prpplague: I know ... |
| 16:06.38 | prpplague | and whats even funnier |
| 16:07.06 | prpplague | if i boot a single reservation for barbados->miami->dallas trip, its about $2400 |
| 16:07.28 | prpplague | but if i boot seperate flights from barbados->miami and then miami->dallas its about $1800 |
| 16:07.36 | chouimat | hehe |
| 16:07.58 | prpplague | and at the end of the online reservation system, you can choose to combine the reservation and you get the $1800 price, not the $2400 |
| 16:12.38 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 16:12.59 | prpplague | so much to worry about |
| 16:20.48 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, at our last interview, the consul asked me if i'd ever forced my wife to do prostitution, i nearly blew the coffee i was drinking on him |
| 16:21.54 | prpplague | T0mW: aparently with these new foreign bride laws, they have to find out if you are bringing women to the states for strip clips and such |
| 16:22.24 | chouimat | shit |
| 16:22.39 | prpplague | hehe, he also asked if i ever beat her |
| 16:23.07 | prpplague | like , righttttt, if i did, would i tell the truth at the consulate? |
| 16:23.18 | prpplague | makes no sense to me to even ask it |
| 16:23.27 | chouimat | wow ... stupids questions |
| 16:23.33 | prpplague | its not like a person who does that isn't gonna lie about it |
| 16:24.12 | chouimat | prpplague: true ... and it's like he received the "formation" to see if you lied anyway :) |
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