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| 03:16.06 | kholz | Hey, anyone alive? |
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| 03:24.33 | wmat | kholz: just barely |
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| 13:32.16 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
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| 13:42.47 | wmat | prpplague: morning |
| 13:43.06 | prpplague | wmat: hey, quick question, i currently have small-linux.com |
| 13:43.23 | prpplague | wmat: i had planned to do something like the elinux wiki for small linux devices |
| 13:44.02 | prpplague | wmat: you think the celf folks would host the domain as a small linux device reference pages? |
| 13:44.30 | prpplague | wmat: or even redirect it to the new elinux wiki? |
| 13:44.50 | wmat | wouldn't that info be better suited to inclusion in the new wiki? |
| 13:45.36 | prpplague | wmat: i was thinking more of just a device reference, not really tech info, but yea, probably would |
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| 13:45.44 | prpplague | wmat: was just a thought |
| 13:45.56 | wmat | although, i tend to want to be biased towards including everything under the new wiki |
| 13:46.27 | wmat | for example, i'd prefer to see arch specific linux projects included as well, such as www.linux-sh.org |
| 13:46.45 | isenbeck | mornin' wmat |
| 13:46.48 | wmat | but, i'm still lobbying the SH maintainer ;) |
| 13:46.51 | wmat | isenbeck: morning |
| 13:47.31 | wmat | prpplague: i'd appreciate your help organizing the eLinux content into the new wiki when it comes time to port it, btw |
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| 13:49.04 | prpplague | wmat: yea, i'll be available for that |
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| 13:50.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings |
| 13:50.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: hows the farm? |
| 13:50.35 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day.. |
| 13:50.53 | GPSFan | just about ready for winter. |
| 13:51.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: good |
| 13:51.58 | wmat | GPSFan: server farm? ;) |
| 13:52.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:52.08 | prpplague | wmat: real farm |
| 13:52.18 | GPSFan | had several snows so far nothing much on the ground. |
| 13:52.27 | wmat | sorry, just an early morning bad joke :) |
| 13:52.32 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 13:52.37 | GPSFan | wmat: np, |
| 13:52.38 | prpplague | GPSFan is a geek farmer |
| 13:52.40 | wmat | GPSFan: where are you? i need some snow! |
| 13:52.57 | GPSFan | western colorado, 75 miles from Aspen |
| 13:53.43 | wmat | ah, nice, you must get a good amount of snow there |
| 13:54.40 | GPSFan | we are sort of in a bananna belt. really good fruit growing area, elev 6200', mtns 6 miles away to 12000' |
| 13:55.18 | wmat | ah |
| 13:55.44 | GPSFan | we get a gooda mount of snow too, but not too much. ;>) |
| 13:56.22 | wmat | I prefer the rock and bush of the north |
| 13:56.31 | wmat | i need to become a geek trapper |
| 13:56.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh cool, didn't know there were mennonite farms in CO |
| 13:56.45 | GPSFan | wmat: move to alaska |
| 13:56.54 | wmat | prpplague: no, in ontario |
| 13:57.07 | GPSFan | prpplague: that was wmat's area, but there are some here too. |
| 13:58.12 | wmat | GPSFan: Alaska eh? They probably wouldn't let me in. |
| 13:59.12 | prpplague | oh, didn't read well |
| 13:59.24 | GPSFan | wmat: ok Yukon then. ;>) |
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| 14:03.31 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: feeling less stressed today? |
| 14:06.08 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: not really |
| 14:06.31 | wmat | GPSFan: I've considered the Yukon, NWT and Nunavut actually |
| 14:06.38 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: bummer |
| 14:06.41 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: 1001 things to do |
| 14:06.47 | LyosNorezel | heh |
| 14:07.03 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: i don't like the "hurry up and wait" situation |
| 14:07.18 | LyosNorezel | hehe... |
| 14:07.36 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: then don't ever join the military |
| 14:07.40 | LyosNorezel | ;-) |
| 14:07.59 | prpplague | i know it all too well |
| 14:08.15 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: not so much of a problem when someone else is in charge |
| 14:08.23 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: big problem when i am in charge |
| 14:08.44 | LyosNorezel | I went through Marine Corps boot camp |
| 14:09.05 | LyosNorezel | I can't climb ropes... so they had to discharge me |
| 14:09.42 | prpplague | i was airborne |
| 14:09.49 | LyosNorezel | fun |
| 14:10.11 | LyosNorezel | I'd still be in there if I could climb ropes |
| 14:10.50 | LyosNorezel | heh |
| 14:10.55 | LyosNorezel | bbiab |
| 14:11.04 | LyosNorezel | <-- going to work |
| 14:12.20 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 14:30.42 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe, i went to see if i could find the house i lived at when i was at ft.knox |
| 14:30.46 | prpplague | isenbeck: on google maps |
| 14:31.02 | prpplague | isenbeck: but it seems the whole area has only so very vague images |
| 14:31.10 | prpplague | isenbeck: figured it was intentional |
| 14:31.15 | isenbeck | prpplague, yeah |
| 14:42.53 | prpplague | isenbeck: have to pack up my office soon |
| 14:42.56 | prpplague | isenbeck: probably next week |
| 14:44.22 | isenbeck | prpplague, wonderful |
| 14:44.29 | isenbeck | prpplague, I love moving......NOT |
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| 14:50.25 | LyosNorezel2 | hehe... I really like Atmel... |
| 14:50.32 | LyosNorezel2 | so generous |
| 14:51.51 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: they granted your samples request? |
| 14:52.29 | LyosNorezel2 | da |
| 14:52.37 | LyosNorezel2 | pretty much ALL of them |
| 14:52.49 | LyosNorezel2 | except a few memory parts |
| 14:53.02 | isenbeck | prpplague, i gotta go put in a phone system tonight |
| 14:53.18 | isenbeck | prpplague, crap.......if it wasn't 25 dllars an hour i wouldnt |
| 14:53.29 | T0mW | yeah, they treat you nice if you are designing new hardware. they know that if they don't feed the engineers, then their parts won't get used. heh |
| 14:53.41 | LyosNorezel2 | the most recent parts they sent me is a set of 10 ATF22V10CZ |
| 14:53.56 | T0mW | nice cpld |
| 14:54.25 | LyosNorezel2 | hehe |
| 14:54.56 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: they treat you nice if they THINK you are designing new hardware |
| 14:55.00 | LyosNorezel2 | ;-) |
| 14:55.16 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe |
| 14:57.25 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: never ever tell them differently, heh |
| 14:57.42 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: if you talk the talk, and walk the walk, ... |
| 14:58.02 | LyosNorezel2 | hehe |
| 14:58.26 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: oh don't get me wrong... I'll use everything I asked for |
| 14:58.46 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: I just don't have any company backing me up |
| 14:58.48 | LyosNorezel2 | ;-) |
| 14:59.05 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: just don't go spreading that samples thing around on mailing lists, ok? So far, they don't rigorously qualify individuals for approval. Merely knowing that you can ask/demand them, they give out samples. ;) |
| 14:59.50 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: honestly... how do you think I found out? |
| 14:59.59 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: well, if you know what to do with an ATF22V10, then I would say that you are not far from having a company sponsor your need for parts. heh |
| 15:00.31 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: actually I'm not sure what I could use it for |
| 15:00.39 | T0mW | prpplague: did you try that USB UDC (gadget) code for the s3c2410 yet? |
| 15:01.10 | LyosNorezel2 | except maybe for some glue logic in my 10 FPGA processor card I'm working on |
| 15:01.58 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: cpld's are great for when you need a few gates (and, or, nor, latch logic) to "glue" stuff together. Saves you the trouble & real estate on a PCB to interconnect devices to the CPU. |
| 15:02.26 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 15:02.26 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:02.41 | T0mW | chouimat: it is! |
| 15:02.43 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: pretty much what I figured |
| 15:02.58 | T0mW | chouimat: it is "light-time" outside, heh |
| 15:03.38 | chouimat | T0mW: Warm (-2C) and sunny outside |
| 15:03.45 | T0mW | :P |
| 15:04.04 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: hehe... I think the AT40K40AL's will come in very handy |
| 15:04.34 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: fecking thinks are huge though |
| 15:04.41 | T0mW | chouimat: yeah, it was the same when I woke up. I've got a new fur hat for this winter, so bring it on! |
| 15:04.47 | LyosNorezel2 | PCB will wind up being very large |
| 15:05.02 | chouimat | T0mW: hehe |
| 15:05.04 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: yeah, just to act as a heatsink for that part. |
| 15:05.34 | LyosNorezel2 | T0mW: I'm putting 10 of those on 1 PCB |
| 15:05.38 | LyosNorezel2 | ;-) |
| 15:06.21 | LyosNorezel2 | hmmm... how many gates does a mips64 need? |
| 15:10.34 | LyosNorezel2 | hmmm... each of the AT40k40's has between 40k and 50k useable gates... |
| 15:11.13 | LyosNorezel2 | so between the ten chips I have between 400k and 500k useable gates in which to implement a processor |
| 15:11.38 | LyosNorezel2 | think that'll be enough? |
| 15:12.29 | T0mW | yeah, I'm not much into programmable logics. I use the simpler CPLDs for glue and that is about it. Most of what I design is very low power and the higher density programmable logic just sucks up current! |
| 15:12.44 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 15:12.54 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: I work in the 10..60ma range for my boards. |
| 15:13.32 | T0mW | although, this s3c2410 CPU is definately going to bust that power budget! |
| 15:14.04 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 15:25.37 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, ours is working with no problems |
| 15:25.58 | prpplague | T0mW: you having troubles? |
| 15:26.11 | T0mW | prpplague: cool, you patched it or used the 2.6.18 sources? |
| 15:26.33 | T0mW | prpplague: I just patched 2.6.18.3 last night |
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| 15:26.52 | T0mW | prpplague: with the ln2410sbc stuff, but not for gadgets |
| 15:27.07 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm still running 2.6.16 for our release, but its patched with whats on the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 15:27.48 | T0mW | prpplague: ah, so it is "in there" with 2.6.18. I'll look around then and see what I have to do to get that running. |
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| 15:39.09 | lkm` | T0mW: hi, who made ln2410sbc wince port? |
| 15:39.20 | T0mW | prpplague: looks like drivers/usb/gadget/s3c2410_udc.c hasn't made it into the 2.6.18.3 source yet. I'll have to patch it in. |
| 15:39.43 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 15:39.46 | T0mW | lkm`: I don't know |
| 15:39.49 | prpplague | T0mW: sorry i was thinking it had |
| 15:39.54 | chouimat | shit I have a job interview tomorrow and today I have no voice ... |
| 15:40.00 | prpplague | T0mW: should be able to get it from rtp's repo |
| 15:40.10 | prpplague | T0mW: which gadget are you gonna use? |
| 15:40.11 | T0mW | prpplague: not yet, I have the 2.6.17 patches for the h1940 though |
| 15:40.35 | prpplague | T0mW: you'll have to be careful with the h1940 repo, iirc there are still some bugs in that one |
| 15:40.41 | T0mW | prpplague: uh, was thinking of getting bulk storage and ethernet working. |
| 15:40.55 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, those are good |
| 15:41.06 | prpplague | T0mW: i've mainly worked with the serial gadget |
| 15:41.15 | T0mW | prpplague: gimme the rtp URL again please? |
| 15:41.39 | T0mW | prpplague: I promise to bookmark this time |
| 15:42.07 | LyosNorezel2 | chouimat: that sucks |
| 15:42.19 | prpplague | http://git.rtp-net.org/ |
| 15:42.28 | T0mW | thanks |
| 15:42.32 | prpplague | np |
| 15:43.00 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.fluff.org/ben/linux-26/status.html |
| 15:43.06 | prpplague | T0mW: thats fluff's status page |
| 15:48.53 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe I should just start with his tree then. |
| 15:52.49 | CosmicPenguin | hah |
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| 16:00.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what are you "hah"'n about? |
| 16:00.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is it time for moose drool yet? |
| 16:01.02 | CosmicPenguin | probably pretty darn close |
| 16:01.26 | CosmicPenguin | Winter tour kicks off at old chicago tommorrow |
| 16:01.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 16:01.38 | CosmicPenguin | Frambozen... oh, I can taste it now |
| 16:01.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we could have thanksgiving with just beer |
| 16:02.02 | CosmicPenguin | 2 below, never summer, ebeneezer also on the list |
| 16:02.15 | CosmicPenguin | And the rouge christmas ale - I forget the name of it |
| 16:03.12 | isenbeck | CosmicPenguin, moose drool ? |
| 16:03.22 | CosmicPenguin | isenbeck: moose drool indeed |
| 16:03.39 | CosmicPenguin | from Big Sky Brewery in Montana |
| 16:03.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: |
| 16:04.31 | prpplague | http://www.ratebeer.com/Beer/big-sky-moose-drool-brown-ale/5554/ |
| 16:05.51 | CosmicPenguin | I would ranke it ahead of the dogfish head brown ale |
| 16:06.05 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the only one of the brown ales on the list that I've tried |
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| 16:09.56 | prpplague | http://news.com.com/2100-7351_3-6137372.html |
| 16:09.57 | CosmicPenguin | Burbon Barrel beers seem to rank high on ratebeer - that doesn't seem right to me |
| 16:10.10 | CosmicPenguin | its a gimmick |
| 16:10.26 | prpplague | i know that judge, he's totaly tech uneducated |
| 16:12.27 | prpplague | i'm just wondering when someone is gonna patent - "the use of oxygenated gas used for the purpose of sustaining organic activity in carbon based life forms" |
| 16:14.17 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: ROFL |
| 16:17.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: good question |
| 16:17.31 | chouimat | prpplague: nice patent |
| 16:18.54 | prpplague | chouimat: thanks, now give me my IP royality payments or stop infinging my IP! |
| 16:20.03 | chouimat | prpplague: I was talking the wifi one ... I like the tactics ... way a few years and see if the world will use it and the sue and make a truck load of money ... |
| 16:20.23 | prpplague | chouimat: yea |
| 16:22.18 | philv | Thank god I live in a country where the patent system is half-sane |
| 16:22.24 | philv | D: |
| 16:22.33 | prpplague | "GOD-A: hey you copied my idea of two sexes, female and male" "GOD-B: no i just reverse engineered them, so its free of IP concerns" "GOD-A: ahh that explains why their API is totally screwed up" |
| 16:22.40 | chouimat | how to succeed in the tech world .. patent succeed and wait ... and then sue ;) |
| 16:23.09 | chouimat | philv: and our legal system is also sane ... |
| 16:23.38 | philv | chouimat: that too |
| 16:23.59 | prpplague | hmm, no one thought my joke was funny :( |
| 16:24.14 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 16:24.44 | prpplague | hehe, well i thought it was funny, hehe |
| 16:25.54 | chouimat | prpplague: it was funny ... it's just I'm busy searching for my apartment keys ... |
| 16:27.35 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: sorry... I'm an atheist... so anything to do with religeon causes me to go elsewhere |
| 16:28.19 | philv | I thought it was amusing |
| 16:28.36 | philv | I'm a Pastafarian |
| 16:30.19 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 16:30.27 | LyosNorezel2 | SON OF A BITCH |
| 16:30.28 | chouimat | prpplague: ok found them ... they were on the nail beside the door ... I never put them there it's why I wasn't able to find them |
| 16:30.29 | CosmicPenguin | its unholy on some level for perl.org to require javascript |
| 16:30.46 | LyosNorezel2 | well... I found yet another reason to despise MicroShit |
| 16:31.10 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: please watch your language |
| 16:31.16 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 16:31.18 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: sorry |
| 16:31.35 | philv | You offended my horse :( |
| 16:31.39 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 16:32.05 | T0mW | git sux |
| 16:32.15 | philv | git is great >:( |
| 16:32.39 | CosmicPenguin | it has the unique ability to bring out the very worse in every human being it touches |
| 16:32.54 | philv | hehehe |
| 16:33.02 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: in Micro$hits Winblows XP operating system... there are hidden files that can not be revealed by the 'Show Hidden Files' option... |
| 16:33.12 | T0mW | this is the first time I've actually tried to use it and it is definately not an intuitive tool to interact with a repository. |
| 16:33.39 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: the only way to find them is to know that they're there |
| 16:33.53 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: don't use m$ |
| 16:34.07 | philv | Problem solved |
| 16:34.09 | Crofton | what is m$? |
| 16:34.12 | philv | ;) |
| 16:34.18 | philv | Microsoft |
| 16:34.25 | Crofton | what is that? |
| 16:35.12 | philv | You're joking I hope D: |
| 16:35.38 | prpplague | philv: hehe, making a point i would assume |
| 16:35.55 | philv | Oh okay |
| 16:36.05 | philv | I'm a little slow since I gave up coffee |
| 16:36.24 | prpplague | philv: yea, i the same after i gave up sniffing glue |
| 16:36.36 | LyosNorezel2 | heh... I don't typically use Winblows |
| 16:36.46 | philv | I knew I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue |
| 16:36.54 | LyosNorezel2 | but I have to stay current on it because I'm a tech |
| 16:37.06 | prpplague | philv: hehe, great movie |
| 16:37.14 | Crofton | grub has a pick called "Combat Mission Operating System" on my machine |
| 16:37.16 | LyosNorezel2 | a PC Repair Tech to be precise |
| 16:39.13 | T0mW | git just sits there, no verbose messages to tell you what it is doing, and no error message as to maybe I have the wrong address/path to the resource I want. |
| 16:44.03 | LyosNorezel2 | anyone remember what the old 80 pin cache chips were called? (the one's popular back in the P1 days) |
| 16:47.28 | philv | Pipelined Burst SRAM? |
| 16:48.03 | LyosNorezel2 | hmmm |
| 16:48.15 | LyosNorezel2 | there was a name for it... |
| 16:49.24 | LyosNorezel2 | for the stick... not the chips |
| 16:49.26 | philv | Dunno, I just bouth 40 units of it and am using it in a design, hehe |
| 16:50.02 | LyosNorezel2 | philv: you have the pinouts for that type of memory card? |
| 16:50.36 | philv | Not the stick, just the actual IC |
| 16:50.44 | philv | The pinouts for the ICs are generally freely available |
| 16:51.51 | LyosNorezel2 | hmmm |
| 16:53.34 | LyosNorezel2 | would ye happen to know the pinouts of a UM61L3232F chip? |
| 16:54.24 | philv | I'm sure google does |
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| 17:01.32 | silverpower | COAST. |
| 17:01.33 | silverpower | That's it. |
| 17:01.33 | silverpower | Assuming the parts were sourced from Pentium-era boards. |
| 17:01.34 | philv | Cache on a Stick? |
| 17:01.39 | silverpower | yes. |
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| 17:30.05 | prpplague | wow a dem support reinstating of the draft |
| 17:30.59 | wmat | wtf, you're kidding |
| 17:33.28 | prpplague | wmat: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/20/selective.service/index.html |
| 17:33.51 | prpplague | wmat: they have really beefed up the SS in the last year or so |
| 17:34.04 | prpplague | wmat: i even now have to report in once a month |
| 17:34.11 | prpplague | wmat: which is really funny |
| 17:34.13 | philv | SS = Secret Service, I hope |
| 17:34.45 | prpplague | wmat: because they don't want me and my family in the US, but i have to pay taxes and can be brought back into military service |
| 17:34.48 | prpplague | philv: yea |
| 17:35.14 | wmat | wow |
| 17:36.49 | philv | You wouldn't believe the hell I went through when my father started to work for the Defence Research Establishment :( |
| 17:36.53 | philv | Fucking CSIS |
| 17:37.10 | philv | They interviewed MY boss about me... and then interviewed me a few times |
| 17:37.14 | philv | It was ridiculous |
| 17:37.35 | wmat | philv: do you occasionally notice black helicopters hovering over your house? |
| 17:37.51 | philv | Haha, dunno, don't live at that house anymore 8) |
| 17:39.08 | prpplague | philv: yea, well my personal belief is, if you aren't living in the US because of some immigration issue with your family, you shouldn't have to pay taxes |
| 17:39.24 | philv | Dunno, never been in that scenario |
| 17:39.42 | philv | I just remember when we lived in Norway we had to pay Canadian taxes, but they sent us there |
| 17:40.42 | wmat | this is funny: Ballmer said Microsoft was motivated to sign a deal with SUSE Linux distributor Novell earlier this month because Linux "uses our intellectual property" and Microsoft wanted to "get the appropriate economic return for our shareholders from our innovation." |
| 17:41.04 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - if it wasn't for vfat, I would really be screwed |
| 17:41.05 | philv | There's something weird going on there |
| 17:41.19 | philv | Suffice to say, if I mulch my installation of SuSE at some point I'm not going to be reinstalling it D: |
| 17:42.04 | wmat | I highly doubt Linux (the kernel) uses any MS IP |
| 17:42.18 | wmat | and if it were determined that it did, it would be ripped out immediately |
| 17:42.33 | CosmicPenguin | indeed |
| 17:42.36 | wmat | isn't the MS IP stack essentially the BSD IP stack? |
| 17:42.45 | CosmicPenguin | The more guilty parties would be stuff like samba and imap |
| 17:42.50 | CosmicPenguin | tools |
| 17:42.57 | wmat | which are not Linux, per se |
| 17:43.04 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - but the world doesn't know that |
| 17:43.17 | CosmicPenguin | its easier for microsoft to wage war against a single term |
| 17:43.24 | wmat | true enough |
| 17:43.36 | CosmicPenguin | We do the same thing - is exchange server "windows"? |
| 17:43.57 | wmat | true enough again |
| 17:44.02 | CosmicPenguin | Its just easier for us because Microsoft is a single entity |
| 17:44.31 | CosmicPenguin | if you want to fight the samba folks, thats not the same person you would fight for thunderbird, to pull two examples out of my ass |
| 17:45.00 | agaffney | wmat: winsock 1.0 was the BSD TCP/IP stack |
| 17:45.07 | agaffney | winsock 2.0 fscked it up a lot |
| 17:45.17 | agaffney | and vista apparently has a completely new tcp/ip stack |
| 17:45.21 | agaffney | with all new bugs! |
| 17:45.28 | CosmicPenguin | They should stay away from Samba though - some of the samba leaders are quite familiar with being in court against Microsoft |
| 17:46.14 | agaffney | samba has actually *helped* microsoft |
| 17:46.58 | agaffney | reporting bugs in Windows's SMB/CIFS implementation, keeping people using windows servers since they can integrate their *NIX stuff into the network, etc. |
| 17:48.29 | wmat | I wonder if Ballmer is flinging these comments off the top of his head or if it's all orchestrated |
| 17:48.31 | philv | agaffney: new IP stack in Vista, o boy! |
| 17:48.39 | philv | I wonder where they pulled the design from this time |
| 17:48.46 | philv | wmat: I suspect he's blowing hot air |
| 17:48.51 | philv | He seems to do that often |
| 17:48.56 | wmat | yeah |
| 17:50.25 | prpplague | i don't know, it seems to me that m$ is getting ready to do "something" |
| 17:50.37 | agaffney | they're always getting ready to do "something" |
| 17:51.00 | agaffney | I knew it was going to happen |
| 17:51.10 | prpplague | i think m$ has been planning a long time, and that they used sco to take some heat off them for a little while and also to test some of their attack methods to see how well they worked |
| 17:51.32 | agaffney | I agree |
| 17:52.13 | CosmicPenguin | it doesn't make any sense for Microsoft to attack in the midst of a new OS release |
| 17:53.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: new OS available for all those supposed linux servers that will get migrated when people get scared of their linux distro of choice |
| 17:54.19 | CosmicPenguin | If that was the case, then the time to attack would have been last year |
| 17:55.01 | prpplague | i agree, but i think they were counting on the sco stuff being further along |
| 17:55.06 | CosmicPenguin | It takes time to build a solid case - especially in the post sco era |
| 17:55.15 | CosmicPenguin | Microsoft knows it can't make vague threats |
| 17:55.20 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:55.29 | philv | We now know that doesn't work, heh |
| 17:58.43 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 17:59.16 | philv | Oh |
| 17:59.28 | philv | My current project might be of interest to some people |
| 17:59.34 | philv | Skylark and I are building a clock :D |
| 17:59.51 | chouimat | doomsday clock? |
| 17:59.58 | philv | A network connected clock that uses the GPS PPS for timing |
| 18:00.09 | philv | And can act as a Stratum 1 NTP time source |
| 18:00.16 | philv | chouimat: haha |
| 18:00.39 | prpplague | i bet that would make a dandy egg timer |
| 18:00.45 | philv | Hehe |
| 18:00.55 | philv | Well, the fun part is it has this 10" EL display on it |
| 18:00.59 | philv | 640x400 |
| 18:01.14 | philv | And the whole thing is being done with a "soft" CPU core in a Xilinx FPGA |
| 18:01.18 | prpplague | philv: oh oh, you could do it with an xbox-360 and then you can cook the egg WHILE doing the timing |
| 18:01.24 | philv | 256k of RAM, 2 MB of flash |
| 18:01.33 | philv | prpplague: LOL |
| 18:37.51 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, I give up. Just how can I pull from rtp's git respository? Can you give me an example of how to clone anything from him? |
| 18:39.17 | T0mW | prpplague: I've tried "git clone git://git.rtp-net.org/projects/h1940", "git clone git://git.rtp-net.org/h1940", "git clone git://git.rtp-net.org/h1940.git" |
| 18:39.33 | T0mW | nothing but read errors (timeout?) |
| 18:39.49 | CosmicPenguin | I assume the repo pings? |
| 18:39.54 | T0mW | uh |
| 18:39.57 | CosmicPenguin | you behind a firewall? |
| 18:40.06 | T0mW | I can pull from xorg with git |
| 18:40.40 | T0mW | I can ping git.rtp-net.org |
| 18:41.47 | CosmicPenguin | does he have gitweb installed? |
| 18:42.26 | T0mW | he has an html page at http://git.rtp-net.org/ that comes up like the cvsweb does |
| 18:42.40 | CosmicPenguin | thats gitweb |
| 18:44.11 | T0mW | I can download individual files from that via http, but he has instructions there how to clone a project, since I want the 2.6.18 kernel sources that he has, downloading them via a browser will take a lot of work. |
| 18:44.53 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - it looks sick |
| 18:45.07 | T0mW | ok, so it appears to be broken? |
| 18:45.15 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - it timed out for me too |
| 18:45.22 | T0mW | thank God! |
| 18:45.54 | T0mW | Ok, I'll send him some mail to let him know then. Thanks! |
| 18:46.09 | CosmicPenguin | oh - wait |
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| 18:47.56 | T0mW | aw, crap, I have a doctors appointment in 10 minutes! |
| 18:48.12 | CosmicPenguin | No - I thought that adding projects/ woudl work, but it doesn't |
| 18:50.21 | prpplague | T0mW: let me ping rtp |
| 19:02.24 | prpplague | T0mW: git://git.rtp-net.org/h1940.git |
| 19:02.27 | prpplague | T0mW: try now |
| 19:30.45 | LyosNorezel2 | I'll be a son of a ...... |
| 19:31.10 | LyosNorezel2 | COAST was what those cache sticks were called |
| 19:31.47 | LyosNorezel2 | and it's no wonder it couldn't find anything on it... |
| 19:31.55 | LyosNorezel2 | I thought they had 80 pins |
| 19:32.06 | LyosNorezel2 | they actually have 160 pins |
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| 21:21.35 | philv | Well shit |
| 21:21.43 | philv | My father just got named an IEEE fellow |
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| 21:23.16 | wmat | philv: do you get free schwag with that? |
| 21:24.18 | prpplague | philv: i'm sorry |
| 21:24.31 | prpplague | philv: shall we have a wake for him? |
| 21:24.40 | wmat | speaking of schwag, I got a power.org t-shirt in the mail today that i don't recall ever asking for; weird. |
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| 21:25.58 | philv | prpplague: hmn? |
| 21:26.03 | philv | wmat: I sure hope so! |
| 21:26.07 | philv | I want free journal subscriptions. |
| 21:26.24 | prpplague | philv: old joke, that IEEE is a bad thing |
| 21:26.39 | philv | Oh, haha |
| 21:27.04 | wmat | now if it were the ACM, that'd be impressive ;) |
| 21:27.07 | philv | The shadow under which I live just grew quite a bit though D: |
| 21:28.29 | philv | Heh, if you're an EE this is about one of the highest honours you can be paid in North America, short of like Nobel Peace prizes and such |
| 21:28.37 | philv | Which is why I'm now feeling incredibly bad for me. |
| 21:28.41 | philv | Good for him though |
| 21:29.03 | wmat | philv: so which one is your dad? |
| 21:29.08 | wmat | http://www.ieee.org/web/aboutus/fellows/new-fellows.html |
| 21:29.29 | philv | Paris Vachon |
| 21:29.44 | philv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.45 | wmat | ah, neat name |
| 21:29.50 | philv | Defence R&D Canada . Ottawa |
| 21:29.50 | philv | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |
| 21:29.51 | philv | for contributions to operational marine applications of imaging radar |
| 21:30.19 | wmat | read: helps us find the bad guys better |
| 21:30.34 | wmat | from a boat ;) |
| 21:30.38 | philv | Haha |
| 21:30.41 | philv | Oh no |
| 21:30.44 | philv | From space |
| 21:30.54 | philv | He does a lot of work with the NRO D: |
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