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| 13:59.03 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:59.59 | prpplague | chouimat: yea yea |
| 14:00.56 | prpplague | anyone think its funny that novell is already having problems with M$ ? |
| 14:06.54 | chouimat | prpplague [ot] What is the biggest problem for an atheist? No one to call during orgasm. |
| 14:07.23 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 14:08.47 | prpplague | chouimat: speaking of a supreme being....... |
| 14:09.02 | prpplague | oh lord please let me make it thru the end of january without going complete insane |
| 14:10.19 | isenbeck | prpplague, ooops too late |
| 14:10.26 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe |
| 14:10.31 | prpplague | isenbeck: almost done |
| 14:10.50 | prpplague | isenbeck: 12 days left before final interview |
| 14:15.12 | wmat | morning |
| 14:16.51 | wmat | sad: http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1946370,00.html |
| 14:17.55 | prpplague | isenbeck: dec 28th seems to be the magic date for travel |
| 14:18.07 | prpplague | isenbeck: got the tickets down to $324USD |
| 14:18.13 | prpplague | isenbeck: per person |
| 14:18.17 | isenbeck | prpplague, wooooo hooooo |
| 14:18.33 | isenbeck | I pick the kids up at noon today |
| 14:18.41 | isenbeck | isenbeck, at the sherifs dept |
| 14:18.47 | prpplague | isenbeck: hopefully the price holds till the 29th when i get paid |
| 14:18.54 | prpplague | isenbeck: lovely |
| 14:18.55 | wmat | at the sheriffs dept? |
| 14:19.01 | wmat | why? |
| 14:19.12 | prpplague | wmat: he's having problems with his big D and i don't mean dallas |
| 14:19.19 | wmat | ah |
| 14:19.48 | isenbeck | wmat, because my soon to be ex is being a byeoch |
| 14:20.19 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe |
| 14:20.22 | wmat | doesn't sound very considerate of the kids; to be dropped at the sheriffs, that is |
| 14:20.55 | isenbeck | wmat, she is not looking out for the kids |
| 14:21.20 | isenbeck | wmat, she is doing what her att tells her to do |
| 14:21.34 | wmat | att? |
| 14:21.41 | isenbeck | attorney |
| 14:21.44 | prpplague | isenbeck: http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Goin'-Through-The-Big-D-lyrics-Mark-Chesnutt/AE3AA39FA9BEE12B4825693D0014ABE2 |
| 14:21.46 | wmat | oh |
| 14:22.38 | wmat | you should read that Creationism Museum article, it's funny |
| 14:22.46 | wmat | and sad all at once |
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| 14:27.49 | prpplague | speaking of beer drinking fools |
| 14:27.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: good morning |
| 14:28.07 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 14:29.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you and your (jokingly) old lady been out beer drinking lately? |
| 14:30.01 | CosmicPenguin | she doesn't do beer |
| 14:30.18 | CosmicPenguin | sometimes she comes out with my buddies and I, but its hard since her work and our house is so far away from the bar |
| 14:30.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 14:30.47 | prpplague | <CosmicPenguin> she doesn't do beer |
| 14:31.06 | prpplague | oh well not every woman is perfect |
| 14:31.12 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 14:31.14 | wmat | my wife is waiting patiently for the breast feeding to end so she can have a few more glasses of wine than 2 |
| 14:31.28 | CosmicPenguin | my wife's drink is vodka |
| 14:31.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yikes |
| 14:31.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hard stuff |
| 14:31.49 | wmat | of course, her motherly guilt will stop her at 2 anyway |
| 14:32.19 | wmat | just like my fatherly guilt stops me knocking back beer when I fall asleep |
| 14:33.43 | wmat | good KHB topic this month on bug hunting |
| 14:36.13 | wmat | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300051023981 |
| 14:36.16 | wmat | haha |
| 14:36.59 | chouimat | LOL |
| 14:38.14 | prpplague | cute |
| 14:39.39 | isenbeck | wmat, she just called and decided that we should meet at the house |
| 14:40.10 | wmat | isenbeck: good, that's smarter |
| 14:40.19 | wmat | how old are the kids? |
| 14:41.23 | prpplague | wmat: actually thats not very smart, she's sneaky |
| 14:41.25 | isenbeck | 8 and 10 |
| 14:41.49 | isenbeck | wmat, I will take a sheriff's deputy just like last time, and a friend |
| 14:42.14 | wmat | wow, sorry to hear that things are such a mess |
| 14:42.48 | chouimat | isenbeck: wow ... friendly divorce I see :) |
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| 14:47.35 | chouimat | wmat: that museum is scary |
| 14:50.49 | wmat | chouimat: i think i'm going to become a religious zealot, life must be so easy to just blindly believe in one thing regardless of empirical evidence |
| 14:51.46 | isenbeck | chouimat, about as friendly as the marriage |
| 14:51.57 | chouimat | wmat: and they also stop thinking rationaly and questioning thing because they have people (or things) to do this for them ... how relaxing this must be :) |
| 14:52.01 | chouimat | isenbeck: ok |
| 14:53.09 | wmat | chouimat: and think of all the meth amphetamines and deviant sex everyone get to have ;) |
| 14:53.32 | chouimat | wmat: dude you want to join Rael |
| 14:53.46 | wmat | chouimat: oh, don't think I haven't considered it |
| 14:53.54 | chouimat | hehe |
| 14:54.03 | wmat | or the FSF |
| 14:54.11 | chouimat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rael |
| 14:54.33 | chouimat | wmat: hehe |
| 14:58.52 | T0mW | Now I believe in a Supreme Power, however, I think that guy Marsh should be closely watched. He sounds like the type of nut that can hurt people. |
| 14:59.21 | prpplague | T0mW: thats exactly what i tell people about the clintons, hehe |
| 14:59.27 | T0mW | yeh |
| 14:59.30 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:00.32 | chouimat | prpplague personaly anyone who want to become US president should be watched closely because they can hurt people ;) |
| 15:00.45 | T0mW | well, I was prepared today to put a board together, then found out I didn't order all the parts. :( |
| 15:00.58 | prpplague | T0mW: doh |
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| 15:01.40 | prpplague | chouimat: actually thats a quote from someone, paraphased "those who want to lead are usually the ones that are least capable of leading" |
| 15:01.41 | T0mW | yeah, I was thinking I had some DUARTs on hand but they were the wrong ones. Lesson: look in the packages, Tom |
| 15:01.57 | chouimat | prpplague :) |
| 15:02.22 | T0mW | prpplague: isn't that something like "everyone rises to their own level of incompetence"? |
| 15:02.28 | prpplague | chouimat: thats why texas politians only get paid as part time employees of the state |
| 15:02.36 | prpplague | T0mW: possibly |
| 15:02.45 | chouimat | prpplague interesting concept |
| 15:03.28 | T0mW | prpplague: your boss excluded, he is smart enough to know his own limitations, heh |
| 15:03.48 | chouimat | wmat: the museum website is very very scary :) |
| 15:04.16 | chouimat | T0mW: wow those are rare (or surrounded by incompetents) |
| 15:04.30 | T0mW | nod |
| 15:04.34 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i must saw, i've never heard of a more rounded management than whats at AML |
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| 15:05.29 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, I've a gadget udc compiled in there, ummm, how do you use those things? heh |
| 15:05.43 | CosmicPenguin | first step, get out of your chair |
| 15:05.50 | CosmicPenguin | second - run |
| 15:05.57 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, there is some doc info in the Documents dir |
| 15:06.01 | T0mW | prpplague: is that like a user app that manipulates the /dev/gadget/ ? |
| 15:06.37 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: cannot run, I have been in the chair too long |
| 15:06.44 | prpplague | T0mW: well like for the serial driver you get a char device i.e. /dev/ttyGA0 |
| 15:07.04 | prpplague | T0mW: but for like the usbnet you get an interface like USB0 |
| 15:07.21 | prpplague | T0mW: i've only used the mass storage device a couple of times |
| 15:07.49 | T0mW | ok, I've the URL for linux-usb.org |
| 15:08.06 | prpplague | T0mW: they are usually pretty easy to setup |
| 15:12.49 | wmat | prpplague: you on the celinux-dev list? |
| 15:13.30 | prpplague | wmat: don't think so, just been browsing the archive when i have time |
| 15:15.45 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I was a bit leery of doing anything with USB as I recall the nasty noise you were making about it a few months ago... |
| 15:16.59 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, it can be really nasty |
| 15:17.08 | prpplague | T0mW: i've learned alot more about debugging it |
| 15:17.25 | prpplague | T0mW: i find that 98% of the issues with both host and slave usb are hardware related |
| 15:17.28 | wmat | prpplague: ah, ok |
| 15:17.39 | prpplague | wmat: need me to look at something? |
| 15:17.53 | wmat | i just posted an idea for a monthly feature for the wiki that i was wondering whether it would be useful or not |
| 15:17.57 | prpplague | T0mW: the other 1.98% is usally issues with winblows drivers |
| 15:18.12 | wmat | basically, each month, a different topic relevant to embedded linux is featured |
| 15:18.38 | wmat | like the Kernel Hackers Bookshelf on LWN |
| 15:18.51 | prpplague | wmat: stuff like "hacking the wrt-54g while at the nudie bar - an excerise in concentration" |
| 15:18.53 | wmat | except, it could feature anything |
| 15:19.10 | wmat | prpplague: well, maybe not that specific ;) |
| 15:19.19 | chouimat | prpplague nice subject ;) |
| 15:19.20 | CosmicPenguin | Where do you get power at the nudie bar? |
| 15:19.30 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: you ask |
| 15:19.53 | CosmicPenguin | Not right now, sweet heart - i need to jtag this thign |
| 15:20.01 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:20.03 | wmat | haha |
| 15:26.36 | wmat | philv: so you're Dad giving you any IEEE Fellow attitude yet? |
| 15:27.50 | prpplague | wmat: "IEEE Fellow Attitude" ? that like his father telling him that specs and timming for his chores are in commitee now and will be decided upon sometime in the next 18-24 months? |
| 15:28.40 | philv | lol |
| 15:29.08 | philv | He gets a free IEEExplore account (!!!) |
| 15:29.13 | philv | I'm going to be abusing that |
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| 15:33.23 | wmat | prpplague: haha |
| 15:34.17 | philv | I don't think he actually sits on any IEEE committees |
| 15:58.30 | CosmicPenguin | I really wish my OLPC was here |
| 15:59.49 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
| 16:00.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you see the new color one? |
| 16:00.22 | CosmicPenguin | Its not about the software, its about the hardware |
| 16:01.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what aspect of the hardware do you find unique in the OLPC? |
| 16:01.13 | philv | One Linux Per Child |
| 16:01.16 | CosmicPenguin | the screen |
| 16:01.17 | CosmicPenguin | for one |
| 16:01.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the size and swivel functions? |
| 16:01.30 | CosmicPenguin | there is way more to explore there - we've just scratched the surface |
| 16:01.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: do tell |
| 16:02.37 | CosmicPenguin | We can switch from color to b&w by toggling a single bit |
| 16:02.55 | CosmicPenguin | We can also turn on and off anti-aliasing the same way |
| 16:03.00 | philv | CosmicPenguin: is the display entirely software driven in it? |
| 16:03.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: devils advocate here, what do those gain you? |
| 16:03.26 | CosmicPenguin | There is much more to investigate with switching to the DCON mode |
| 16:04.01 | CosmicPenguin | well - doing the color swizziling in hardware lets you go from indoor to sunlight mode without getting the software involved |
| 16:04.43 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:05.31 | CosmicPenguin | You're familiar with X - can you imagine the pain involved in switching from color to grayscale in sofwtare? |
| 16:05.46 | prpplague | yea that would be difficult |
| 16:05.55 | CosmicPenguin | Not to mention trying to teach gnome and its 13 thousand brain-dead libraries the same trick |
| 16:06.09 | prpplague | just never thought about the benefits in switching between bw and color |
| 16:06.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is there that much improvement in the readability? |
| 16:07.04 | CosmicPenguin | The screen is also neat in that when its in black and white and the back light is off, the more ambient light there is, the more reflecdtive it is |
| 16:07.18 | CosmicPenguin | so its pretty cool that i put the thing into sunlight mode, and I have to turn on my office lights to see it |
| 16:07.39 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:07.58 | prpplague | that would be a nice aspect for our forklift device |
| 16:08.15 | prpplague | the only thing that would be needed was some sort of sensor to indicate when to switch |
| 16:10.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nice points |
| 16:10.39 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - a switch sensor would be an easy thing to add |
| 16:10.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you should do a presentation |
| 16:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - its not my design |
| 16:11.12 | CosmicPenguin | I just help write the software |
| 16:11.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:11.54 | CosmicPenguin | We just found out last week that they snuck a hall effect sensor on the board, so we'll be able to tell when the laptop is being held in portrait mode |
| 16:12.02 | CosmicPenguin | so that will be neat - I need to get RandR finished |
| 16:12.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh nice |
| 16:12.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that also would be nice with some of our stuff |
| 16:12.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we are considering adding an accelerometer |
| 16:13.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we get alot of devices rma'd that have been dropped from great distances |
| 16:13.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i.e. 20 or 30 ft |
| 16:13.07 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - I was actually surprised - I thought we needed to go with an acceleometer or something more advanced |
| 16:13.32 | CosmicPenguin | http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/149567/ANPEC/APX9132ATI-TRL.html |
| 16:13.39 | CosmicPenguin | But thats what they stuck on there - its cheap and it does its thing |
| 16:13.57 | CosmicPenguin | though it can't detect if the laptop is being held by a left handed or right handed student |
| 16:14.05 | CosmicPenguin | though I guess we could put another sensor on there thats wired the other way |
| 16:14.09 | CosmicPenguin | look at both bits |
| 16:14.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea sparkfun has some nice devices for that kind of stuff |
| 16:15.20 | CosmicPenguin | The only sad thing is that they wired it up to the embedded controller, so we can only talk to these things via LPC |
| 16:15.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i pre-order 3 of the color vtech laptops |
| 16:15.29 | CosmicPenguin | I wish they had connected directly to one of the CS5536 GPIO lines |
| 16:15.37 | CosmicPenguin | but what are you going to do? |
| 16:15.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh that is a pain |
| 16:16.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: basically two directions, see if i can put linux on it, or yank the cpu board and replace with an arm9 board |
| 16:16.24 | CosmicPenguin | what processor does it ship with? |
| 16:16.25 | prpplague | probably the second option |
| 16:16.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't know for sure, but from the data diving i've done, its suppose to be 32-bit risc |
| 16:17.38 | CosmicPenguin | thats a wide net |
| 16:17.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: rumor has it that is a sharp processor, i.e. the lh79524 |
| 16:17.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but thats unconfirmed |
| 16:17.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 16:18.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my main concern really is the plastics and lcd |
| 16:18.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats more of what i want |
| 16:18.27 | CosmicPenguin | heh - yeah |
| 16:19.01 | prpplague | all the ones i've done so far, have been really nice |
| 16:19.15 | prpplague | plenty of room inside for shoving an arm board inside |
| 16:19.25 | prpplague | the only draw back has been the screen resolution and color |
| 16:19.45 | prpplague | they are getting much higher resolution grey scales now |
| 16:20.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the last one i did was 240x160 |
| 16:20.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which was plenty to do most of what i wanted |
| 16:20.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i.e. email, web, irc |
| 16:21.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i just wish someone like vtech or oregon scientific would make a version of their laptop cases for developers |
| 16:21.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: basically the same case, just places to mount standard pcbs |
| 16:22.07 | prpplague | it would be a hot hot item |
| 16:23.11 | prpplague | i'm still not sure why companies that make things like the zipit don't make development versions |
| 16:23.36 | prpplague | or even reencorporate the improvements back into the design |
| 16:24.47 | CosmicPenguin | well, they're not in that business |
| 16:24.53 | CosmicPenguin | companies like AMD should be in that business, though I think |
| 16:25.00 | CosmicPenguin | we need to make it easier for people to develop with our processors |
| 16:25.16 | CosmicPenguin | we do make it easier for companies to develop with our processors, we just need to make the same kits availalbe to the general public |
| 16:25.26 | CosmicPenguin | but thats a fight I've tried to fight for many years |
| 16:25.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed but, it would be so little effort to gain additional sales |
| 16:26.02 | CosmicPenguin | its not about extra sales - its about enabling the world |
| 16:26.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 16:26.19 | CosmicPenguin | so you take a loss or small gain, but you produce another thousand RDKs a year and give them to regular folks |
| 16:26.31 | CosmicPenguin | thats 1000 more processors that people are using |
| 16:26.53 | CosmicPenguin | i think thats important - the problem is, you can't quantify it with sales figures |
| 16:27.05 | CosmicPenguin | there is no spreadsheet entry for "goodwill" |
| 16:27.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh, sorry, yea we were talking two different things |
| 16:27.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea i agree on the goodwill |
| 16:29.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but see one of things i'm doing at aml, is that our next gen development boards, the ones we will be using to design our next product will be generic enough, that once our product is complete, we will already have a development board to sell |
| 16:29.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we have to do the development board for our product, might as well make it worth selling |
| 16:30.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we have stacks and stacks of sa-1110, lh79520 and s3c2410 dev boards |
| 16:31.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the whole design basically wasted since after we do the product they are no longer needed |
| 16:40.48 | prpplague | anyone picked up the remastered blade runner dvd? |
| 16:51.15 | prpplague | chouimat: guess you are prepared for any dates that might decide to come home with you |
| 16:51.51 | chouimat | prpplague hehe ... not really I have to clean the apartment ... |
| 16:52.42 | chouimat | prpplague I'm stressed like you can believe today ... job interview at 4pm |
| 16:52.53 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh |
| 16:53.00 | prpplague | chouimat: i can handle short term stress |
| 16:53.08 | prpplague | chouimat: i.e. less than 3 or 4 weeks |
| 16:53.20 | prpplague | chouimat: when we talk about 90 to 180 days |
| 16:53.26 | prpplague | chouimat: thats when i start loosing it |
| 16:54.42 | chouimat | prpplague me too but I applied for a position there and the interview is about another position that just opened (better suited for me according to the HR) and I can't remember what it is (ok linux related) but the specific I don't recall them ... so I'm a little bit stressed ... ok time for a coffee-cognac :) |
| 16:55.11 | T0mW | prpplague: ah, you just have to learn that there are things that you have no control over and to let events unfold themselves. Then hope for the best. |
| 16:55.26 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, thats a problem for my personality |
| 16:55.47 | T0mW | prpplague: you cannot control other people, so just accept it. |
| 16:55.57 | prpplague | T0mW: simply stuff like my wife asking "will you return this book to the library?" cause my brain to explode with questions |
| 16:56.34 | prpplague | 1) is library open tomorrow, 2) is the book over due 3) will it rain? so i need an umbrella 4) what time does the library open and close |
| 16:57.19 | T0mW | prpplague: nod, yeah I know what you mean. But, I found out that every thought that comes into my head doesn't necessarily need to be considered. 99% of the toughts I have are BS anyway, heh. |
| 16:57.34 | chouimat | prpplague and I have to take the bus to go there (it's ok) but the problem is I never been to this part of ottawa so ... |
| 16:57.37 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 16:57.46 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh, thats always fun |
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| 16:58.01 | prpplague | chouimat: for that kind of stuff, i always go a few days ahead of time to find out what i need |
| 16:58.37 | T0mW | prpplague: garbage in, garbage out. Some thoughts are not only unproductive but are pyscologically damaging. Like they say, "Fa-get about it" |
| 16:58.38 | T0mW | heh |
| 16:59.12 | T0mW | ok, got me some /dev/usb[0..2]'s |
| 16:59.36 | chouimat | prpplague I have looked the map and I'm currently looking at the octranspo trip planner ... so now I know which bus to transfert to |
| 17:01.45 | T0mW | huh, "dummy_hcd" |
| 17:03.39 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 17:04.10 | T0mW | hmmm, wrong kernel is in there: 2.6.18.3 instead of 2.6.18-rtp |
| 17:04.19 | T0mW | that could do it |
| 17:28.30 | Crofton | prpplague, you want to raise kids in TX? |
| 17:28.31 | Crofton | http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/11/17/17kidscount.html |
| 17:30.04 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe, yea, well, i don't find that information all that surprising |
| 17:31.26 | prpplague | Crofton: of course my family is full of geeks, so the amount of sex and drinking that was done as a teenager was pretty low |
| 17:31.41 | chouimat | prpplague http://www.citadel.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=133&Itemid=41 <--- interesting |
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| 17:49.44 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 17:49.59 | prpplague | T0mW: could be the description of my first marriage |
| 17:50.37 | prpplague | mallum: greetings |
| 17:50.47 | prpplague | mallum: hows the little ape doing? |
| 17:53.34 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:00.03 | mallum | prpplague: doing well |
| 18:00.11 | mallum | prpplague: whats up with you ? |
| 18:00.32 | prpplague | mallum: ssdd |
| 18:00.40 | prpplague | mallum: getting prepared to move back to the states |
| 18:43.27 | sunrunner20 | why move back prpplague? |
| 18:48.25 | prpplague | sunrunner20: because living on an island sucks |
| 18:49.29 | sunrunner20 | heh |
| 18:49.35 | sunrunner20 | good vacation, bad home? |
| 18:49.45 | prpplague | OH YEA |
| 18:49.50 | prpplague | especially for a geek |
| 18:51.43 | sunrunner20 | also |
| 18:51.48 | sunrunner20 | know any good project managment systems? |
| 18:52.19 | prpplague | sunrunner20: sorry nothing comes to mind, i've been kinda our of the PM area for about 3 years |
| 18:54.18 | sunrunner20 | i need a good setup for tracking stuff :s |
| 18:55.41 | wmat | prpplague: take a look at http://embeddedlinux.movial.fi/index.php/Main_Page |
| 18:55.54 | wmat | what additional Portals do we need? |
| 18:56.28 | prpplague | wmat: i'm not feeling very well today, so i'll just give it a quicky |
| 18:56.30 | wmat | i'm thinking: Hardware, Specs & Datasheets, Tools |
| 18:56.37 | wmat | prpplague: no worries |
| 18:56.50 | sunrunner20 | also |
| 18:56.56 | sunrunner20 | if ya'll need hosting for stuff... |
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| 18:57.57 | stuff121 | hello all |
| 18:58.08 | prpplague | wmat: need sections on board bring ups, porting , bootloaders, and a section on something like "getting linux on something that didn't ship with linux" |
| 18:58.31 | stuff121 | i am trying to compile a linux 2.4 kernel for arm and i get an error when i do make menuconfig |
| 18:58.48 | stuff121 | is this something that i am gonna just have to live with and do a make config? |
| 18:59.05 | LyosNorezel2 | stuff121: why are you trying to use an outdated kernel? |
| 18:59.33 | wmat | prpplague: thx |
| 18:59.54 | stuff121 | it has certian stuff in it that i have had time to foward port to my 2.6 branch |
| 18:59.55 | prpplague | wmat: also need an "interesting device" section |
| 18:59.57 | stuff121 | i mean haven't had time |
| 18:59.59 | wmat | prpplague: some of that may fit elsewhere, such as a General HOWTO's |
| 19:00.04 | prpplague | wmat: agreed |
| 19:00.09 | wmat | prpplague: I like that last suggestion |
| 19:00.12 | prpplague | wmat: just need to make sure its easily found |
| 19:00.22 | stuff121 | for a device driver |
| 19:00.26 | wmat | a kind of "we'd like to get Linux on x" section |
| 19:00.37 | prpplague | wmat: also need a common embedded device hardware section |
| 19:00.55 | prpplague | wmat: i.e. section for stuff like a comparison between NOR and NAND flash |
| 19:01.57 | prpplague | wmat: the thing to remember when someone goes to the wiki, its going to be one of two major questions |
| 19:01.57 | wmat | prpplague: excellent, thx |
| 19:02.19 | prpplague | wmat: 1) i have a device that i want to know about running linux on or getting linux running on |
| 19:02.45 | prpplague | wmat: 2) i have some aspect of an embedded device i need to know about working with |
| 19:03.18 | prpplague | wmat: with that in mind, the first page should easily allow someone to navigate to the answers to their question |
| 19:03.58 | prpplague | stuff121: what processor? |
| 19:04.53 | prpplague | wmat: btw , just my $0.02 , the icons are too close together, then need a LF between them |
| 19:05.06 | wmat | prpplague: those are just placeholders |
| 19:05.17 | prpplague | wmat: okie dokie |
| 19:06.18 | stuff121 | ixp |
| 19:06.24 | prpplague | wmat: a good place to get some idea of questions that are needing to be answered is on the linux-hacker.net forums for the juicebox |
| 19:06.56 | wmat | prpplague: there, i spaced the icons for you ;) |
| 19:06.57 | prpplague | wmat: you can see questions like what kind of jtag device do i need, whats the difference between sd and mmc cards, what is nand flash and nor flash |
| 19:07.02 | prpplague | wmat: thanks |
| 19:07.15 | prpplague | wmat: oh much better |
| 19:07.25 | wmat | heh |
| 19:09.16 | prpplague | wmat: if you remember that people will be visiting the page to answer a question, the quicker we can clear get them to the answer the more likely they are to return to the site for their next question |
| 19:09.33 | wmat | prpplague: agreed! |
| 19:11.15 | wmat | prpplague: so with that in mind, how do you feel about the Portals as they exist now? Are they valid as is? |
| 19:13.36 | prpplague | wmat: something isn't exactly right, but i can't put my finger on it |
| 19:14.47 | prpplague | wmat: can i think about it this evening and get with you tomorrow morning? |
| 19:14.51 | wmat | in terms of the content you mean? |
| 19:15.07 | prpplague | wmat: in the main dev portal arrangement |
| 19:15.15 | wmat | oh, in layout |
| 19:15.35 | prpplague | content is looking good |
| 19:15.58 | wmat | i think it's because the small icons and the portal icons do not line up |
| 19:16.21 | wmat | the monthly feature bit will also normally be larger, sometimes with a graphic in there, sometimes not |
| 19:22.36 | prpplague | wmat: have you converted any of the elinux.org wiki pages to the new wiki yet? |
| 19:22.40 | wmat | prpplague: dumb question, why is this channel so much more active than #elinux? has it always been this way? |
| 19:23.00 | prpplague | wmat: no it has not always been that way |
| 19:23.12 | wmat | prpplague: no, not yet, i'm working on the hundreds of celf wiki pages first |
| 19:24.13 | prpplague | wmat: #elinux was originally the result of the tuxscreen channel and project |
| 19:24.13 | prpplague | wmat: many of the original developers for the tuxscreen moved on to other things |
| 19:24.18 | wmat | I've converted all of the celf pages to mediawiki markup using a script, but the result is not as clean as i'd hoped, so every page has to be re-edited before being added |
| 19:24.56 | wmat | prpplague: i'll need a copy of the pages from the elinux wiki, as well as all of the grpahics and attachments |
| 19:24.57 | prpplague | wmat: CosmicPenguin might be able to provide a more objective history, but basically the environment of #elinux changed after awhile, kind of lost the spirit of dev, or atleast imho, of the original tuxscreen project |
| 19:25.18 | prpplague | wmat: ok, i'll see if i can do a backup and get that to you |
| 19:25.41 | wmat | prpplague: fair enough, i was simply wondering because as the new wiki will be at elinux.org, it seems natural for the irc channel to be #elinux |
| 19:25.48 | wmat | but i'm not that particular |
| 19:27.01 | prpplague | wmat: agreed and that is unfortunate |
| 19:28.16 | wmat | prpplague: the text directory from the moinmoin install is the one I mostly need, in order to run the conversion script |
| 19:28.29 | wmat | however, the whole site would be nice to have |
| 19:28.36 | prpplague | wmat: will do |
| 19:28.46 | wmat | thanks |
| 19:29.26 | prpplague | wmat: i apologize but i'm not feeling very well today, so the amount of feedback i can provide is somewhat limited |
| 19:29.35 | prpplague | wmat: hopefully feel better tomorrow |
| 19:30.18 | wmat | prpplague: ok, go lie down or something or kill the sick with rum |
| 19:31.35 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 19:31.49 | prpplague | wmat: i'm pretty sure its just stress |
| 19:31.57 | prpplague | wmat: too many irons in the fire |
| 19:35.05 | wmat | prpplague: understood |
| 19:39.04 | prpplague | later folks |
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| 20:14.06 | CosmicPenguin | did somebody mention my name? |
| 20:15.12 | sorphin | no, that would be blasphemous |
| 20:15.28 | CosmicPenguin | wow - out of nowhere |
| 20:15.29 | sorphin | "Thou shall not take the name of the penguin in vain" |
| 20:15.49 | CosmicPenguin | Whats happening? |
| 20:16.13 | sorphin | oh nothing, compemplating dropping my domain since i'm getting a steady stream of spam now |
| 20:16.28 | CosmicPenguin | aren't we all? |
| 20:16.30 | sorphin | someone forged a spam from my domain (not even relayed) to a mailing list, and some bots |
| 20:16.35 | sorphin | picked up the bogus address |
| 20:16.39 | CosmicPenguin | oh - ugh |
| 20:16.45 | sorphin | it's been happening for a while |
| 20:16.48 | sorphin | but since sunday night |
| 20:16.54 | sorphin | i've been auto nullrouting |
| 20:16.59 | sorphin | let's check the counter |
| 20:17.23 | sorphin | 2,959 null routes instated since sunday evening |
| 20:17.32 | sorphin | and still chugging |
| 20:17.36 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 20:17.40 | CosmicPenguin | Thats alot |
| 20:17.52 | sorphin | all aiming for dedbgf@captainrock.com which doesn't actually exist |
| 20:18.01 | sorphin | but because some spammer forged teh address |
| 20:18.13 | sorphin | i'm getting constantly nailed |
| 20:18.57 | sorphin | the RBLs are nailing some of it |
| 20:19.10 | sorphin | if i had a way to bulk submit to the rbls |
| 20:19.15 | sorphin | i have plenty of addresses |
| 20:19.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:19.21 | sorphin | most appear to be open relays |
| 20:19.45 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.crouse-house.com/spamstats |
| 20:19.52 | sorphin | and since it's my dsl and not a work box, i can't block it upstream |
| 20:19.58 | sorphin | because AT&T wouldn't do squat |
| 20:20.45 | sorphin | heh |
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| 20:21.01 | sorphin | those routes are strictly for this 'focus' |
| 20:21.12 | sorphin | none of the other spam i get is this persistant |
| 20:21.18 | sorphin | stupid bots |
| 20:21.34 | sorphin | i should run through the list, make sure none of it is XO space |
| 20:23.15 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: how's the crousehouse? |
| 20:23.47 | CosmicPenguin | same as it always is, I guess |
| 20:23.48 | CosmicPenguin | you? |
| 20:24.02 | sorphin | missy finishes her masters in a few weeks |
| 20:24.10 | sorphin | just got new furnace on monday |
| 20:24.11 | CosmicPenguin | sweet |
| 20:24.16 | sorphin | other than taht |
| 20:24.18 | sorphin | not much going on |
| 20:24.25 | sorphin | no family this turkeyday thankfully |
| 20:28.30 | CosmicPenguin | I should go home - absolutely nothing is going down today |
| 20:28.36 | sorphin | yeah |
| 20:28.41 | sorphin | hoping they let us out soon |
| 20:39.47 | sorphin | oh goodie |
| 20:39.52 | sorphin | some XO customers are spamming me |
| 20:39.55 | sorphin | this should be fun |
| 20:40.21 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:47.05 | sorphin | just submitted the IPs to our abuse dept, heh |
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