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| 04:17.10 | jbevren | The world has come to an end. |
| 04:17.13 | jbevren | In other news, |
| 04:17.15 | jbevren | The National Institute of Standards and Technology is going to recommend the decertification of all electronic voting machines that don't create paper records. |
| 04:17.22 | jbevren | (slashdot) |
| 04:19.58 | flyback- | yeah so? |
| 04:20.04 | flyback- | what's wrong with that |
| 04:22.10 | flyback- | if the voting machine makers won't release the source code for audit |
| 04:22.12 | flyback- | then fuck them |
| 04:22.15 | flyback- | provide a paper tape |
| 04:22.57 | jbevren | Its a good thing :) |
| 04:23.13 | flyback- | <jbevren> The world has come to an end. |
| 04:23.14 | flyback- | oh |
| 04:23.20 | flyback- | thought you were saying otherwise |
| 04:23.22 | flyback- | yeah it is |
| 04:23.22 | jbevren | I'm just noting that the world has ended because a federal institution is finally stepping in to help the people (or listen) |
| 04:23.29 | flyback- | oh heh |
| 04:24.06 | flyback- | hey DIBOLD |
| 04:24.11 | flyback- | BITE MY *CANUCK* |
| 04:24.20 | flyback- | God I hate those people |
| 04:24.47 | flyback- | they are so arrogant trying to do business in one of the most important aspects of this country and they showhow think they are above scrutinization |
| 04:25.43 | jbevren | diebold boxes have paper trails |
| 04:26.02 | jbevren | we're not safe from them just yet |
| 04:26.03 | flyback- | since when? |
| 04:26.38 | jbevren | since they always printed a paper tape at the end of election day |
| 04:26.48 | flyback- | I thought they fought that tooth and nail |
| 04:27.05 | flyback- | hey I heard while I been gone some people stepped up and came up with a bunch of new juicebox hacks :P |
| 04:27.56 | flyback- | I actually don't mind diebold making voter machines but sorry you have no right to confidentiality or privacy when you are making something that critical |
| 04:28.07 | flyback- | that's just the way it is, accept this or stay the hell otu of the market |
| 04:28.11 | jbevren | naw, they fought the idea that they were easily hackable tooth and nail |
| 04:28.14 | jbevren | see, they print the paper trail |
| 04:28.20 | jbevren | but its possible to fake that paper |
| 04:30.35 | jbevren | oh and in other news yet, SCO is f/cked. |
| 04:30.46 | flyback- | yeah I heard |
| 04:30.50 | flyback- | problem is I heard this before |
| 04:30.51 | jbevren | Kimball affirmed Wells' order, which tosses most of SCO's 'evidence'. |
| 04:30.58 | flyback- | also we have to wait another year for this to be dead for sure :/ |
| 04:31.34 | jbevren | SCO cant appeal it |
| 04:31.37 | jbevren | yeah |
| 04:31.42 | jbevren | but now they have to go with what little they have |
| 04:31.50 | jbevren | and I think its more than a year |
| 04:31.54 | jbevren | Novell gets dibs on SCO |
| 04:32.03 | jbevren | ~quote scox |
| 04:32.13 | jbevren | 40 cents down |
| 04:32.13 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:32.18 | flyback- | as much as I hate the democrats |
| 04:32.23 | flyback- | I hope they shaft the dmca |
| 04:32.26 | jbevren | I'm nonpartisan |
| 04:32.42 | jbevren | I do know I'm anti-oil heh |
| 04:32.47 | flyback- | why |
| 04:32.51 | jbevren | well think of it this way |
| 04:32.58 | jbevren | pre-bush Sr.: Avoiding conflict |
| 04:33.07 | jbevren | Bush Sr: Iraq |
| 04:33.20 | jbevren | Post Sr: Clinton cleans up (okay, he got a blowjob. big deal.) |
| 04:33.28 | jbevren | Bush Jr: Right back into Iraq |
| 04:33.31 | jbevren | the basis? Lies. |
| 04:33.33 | flyback- | clinton also let bin laden go |
| 04:33.35 | jbevren | yet we're still there |
| 04:33.43 | jbevren | Laden didnt do it :) |
| 04:33.48 | jbevren | He even said so. |
| 04:33.55 | flyback- | yeah if you say so |
| 04:33.56 | jbevren | I'd think |
| 04:34.00 | jbevren | that something that big |
| 04:34.03 | jbevren | if I'd managed to pull it off |
| 04:34.15 | jbevren | I"d be all over the place saying "Hell yeah! I did that shit!" (pardon language) |
| 04:34.32 | flyback- | m0000000000000000000000 |
| 04:34.35 | jbevren | We wont discuss that further hehe |
| 04:34.39 | flyback- | balsalmic vinegar |
| 04:34.43 | jbevren | but I somehow doubt laden was there |
| 04:34.45 | flyback- | strong soab but it's good |
| 04:34.48 | jbevren | oh yeah |
| 04:34.52 | jbevren | good vinegarette base |
| 04:35.00 | jbevren | Anyway. |
| 04:35.01 | flyback- | that's what I am eating :P |
| 04:35.04 | jbevren | Didnt laden do it? |
| 04:35.12 | jbevren | (assuming your belief is true) |
| 04:35.17 | jbevren | wy did we chase Saddam? |
| 04:35.25 | jbevren | why did we mess with iraq |
| 04:35.30 | jbevren | meanwhile bush lets laden run free. |
| 04:35.36 | flyback- | because we knew for yrs he was trying to make wmd |
| 04:35.40 | jbevren | bush lied to start a war |
| 04:35.41 | flyback- | even clinton said so and took shots at him |
| 04:35.47 | flyback- | bush lied about nothing |
| 04:35.49 | jbevren | there was never anything found |
| 04:35.55 | jbevren | where were the wmds? |
| 04:35.58 | jbevren | Korea made some |
| 04:36.00 | jbevren | they even said so |
| 04:36.01 | jbevren | yet |
| 04:36.03 | jbevren | bush ignored them |
| 04:36.03 | flyback- | dude we said we were going to invade for 6 months |
| 04:36.06 | jbevren | continued in the oil country |
| 04:36.11 | flyback- | my grandma could have moved all the wmd's by hand |
| 04:36.13 | flyback- | in 6 months |
| 04:36.13 | jbevren | Yeah |
| 04:36.19 | jbevren | we'll invade in 6 months |
| 04:36.24 | jbevren | unless you produce that which you dont have |
| 04:36.27 | jbevren | Meanwhile |
| 04:36.38 | jbevren | N.Korea has a public and active nuclear missile project |
| 04:36.46 | jbevren | and they get ignored while bush tantrums in iraq |
| 04:36.49 | jbevren | why? |
| 04:36.52 | jbevren | iraq doesnt have oil :) |
| 04:36.53 | jbevren | er |
| 04:36.55 | jbevren | korea doesnt. |
| 04:37.01 | flyback- | because china told korea to fuck off |
| 04:37.05 | flyback- | as did most of the UN |
| 04:37.07 | jbevren | Korea also didnt try changing their oil trade from the US dollar to the Euro |
| 04:37.11 | flyback- | so they are somewhat contained |
| 04:37.28 | jbevren | Iraq threatens to go euro with oil: We attack |
| 04:37.42 | flyback- | you aren't going to convince me sorry :P |
| 04:37.46 | jbevren | Iran threatens to go euro with oil: We suddenly notice their nuclear poer plants that theyve had for -years- |
| 04:37.51 | flyback- | but on a related note I been working on small scale windmills |
| 04:37.57 | jbevren | windmills are cool |
| 04:37.58 | flyback- | using old 3 phase brushless dc motors from floppy drives etc |
| 04:37.59 | flyback- | :P |
| 04:38.04 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:38.10 | jbevren | should be enough for simple battery charging |
| 04:38.11 | flyback- | if I get a watt or so I would be happy |
| 04:38.15 | flyback- | or xmas led show |
| 04:38.18 | flyback- | which is what I am going :) |
| 04:38.25 | flyback- | suffered a setback last week |
| 04:38.26 | jbevren | there are lots of sites on making a windmill btw, even on the cheap |
| 04:38.35 | flyback- | I had a major colon attack first time in over a yr |
| 04:38.40 | flyback- | spent few hrs screaming on the floor |
| 04:38.42 | jbevren | meh :( |
| 04:38.45 | flyback- | my dad had to run from his house at 5am |
| 04:38.48 | flyback- | to give me one of his meds |
| 04:38.49 | flyback- | to stop it |
| 04:38.50 | jbevren | my worst is a bad knee |
| 04:38.58 | flyback- | I was bouncing off the floor |
| 04:39.01 | flyback- | I was shaking so bad |
| 04:39.14 | flyback- | at least they can fix those now :) |
| 04:39.21 | flyback- | they still don't know wtf the problem is with me |
| 04:39.33 | flyback- | but I suspect it's genetic, grandpa had the same problem when he was alive |
| 04:39.41 | jbevren | ah |
| 04:39.42 | flyback- | mom had colitius decades ago |
| 04:39.46 | jbevren | some of those things are impossible |
| 04:39.52 | flyback- | grandma has a crappy colon and so does most of the family |
| 04:39.54 | flyback- | on my mom's side |
| 04:40.05 | jbevren | mom smoked for decades |
| 04:40.08 | flyback- | ick |
| 04:40.08 | jbevren | died of colon cancer heh |
| 04:40.14 | flyback- | how? |
| 04:40.18 | flyback- | they can usually remove it |
| 04:40.20 | jbevren | well actually |
| 04:40.23 | flyback- | and you can live on a bag |
| 04:40.24 | jbevren | she died of acidosis |
| 04:40.29 | flyback- | sucks but better than death I guess |
| 04:40.31 | jbevren | onset as a result of chemo |
| 04:40.34 | flyback- | OH chemo |
| 04:40.43 | flyback- | that is so freaking crappy |
| 04:40.46 | flyback- | I hope chemo is banned someday |
| 04:40.47 | jbevren | they didnt discover it until stage 4 |
| 04:40.54 | jbevren | grapefruit sized :X |
| 04:40.57 | flyback- | yeah I know for now it's the best thing but half the time it kills the patient first |
| 04:41.17 | flyback- | they have some research going on with some bacteria in pond scum etc |
| 04:41.19 | jbevren | she wouldnt go in until she couldnt go and was puking urea |
| 04:41.28 | flyback- | seems they like to infect cancer cells first |
| 04:41.34 | flyback- | most cells shrug them off |
| 04:41.40 | flyback- | but cancer cells are like jabba the hats |
| 04:41.41 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:41.41 | flyback- | huts |
| 04:41.47 | jbevren | gluttons as it were |
| 04:42.44 | jbevren | she was on chemo as a precaution |
| 04:42.47 | jbevren | but twas ok |
| 04:42.52 | flyback- | yeah I made that mistake too |
| 04:42.54 | flyback- | waiting too long\ |
| 04:42.56 | jbevren | she got to see 15 grandkids |
| 04:43.00 | flyback- | good |
| 04:43.01 | flyback- | :) |
| 04:43.05 | jbevren | none from me tho heh |
| 04:43.28 | flyback- | i've seriously thougt about getting sterialize |
| 04:43.35 | flyback- | the defect gene pool needs to stop here |
| 04:43.40 | jbevren | shrug |
| 04:43.43 | jbevren | tis up to you |
| 04:43.49 | jbevren | me, I'm just uninterested |
| 04:43.52 | jbevren | my genes arent bad per se |
| 04:44.10 | jbevren | and given appropriate opportunity, I wouldnt attempt to avoid it |
| 04:44.28 | flyback- | I want to get married |
| 04:44.28 | jbevren | I just dont go looking or people to marry heh |
| 04:44.45 | jbevren | I doubt anyone would put up with my flipfloppyness |
| 04:44.58 | flyback- | yeah I avoided dating for 32 yrs for that very reason |
| 04:45.06 | jbevren | *scream at computer and smash keyboard* *turn around and lovingly greet wife* |
| 04:45.07 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:45.19 | flyback- | there's a girl out there for you |
| 04:45.23 | flyback- | me too I am convinced now |
| 04:45.27 | jbevren | hopefully she's not like me heh |
| 04:45.30 | jbevren | I'd not tolerate it |
| 04:45.31 | flyback- | if I can keep my body running long enough |
| 04:45.48 | jbevren | I'm higly intolerant of blatant stupidity |
| 04:46.03 | jbevren | even when I do it |
| 04:46.03 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:46.08 | jbevren | some days I just hate myself :) |
| 04:46.31 | flyback- | I know the feeling |
| 04:46.36 | flyback- | same |
| 04:46.41 | flyback- | you don't have aspergers do you? |
| 04:46.52 | jbevren | nope |
| 04:46.56 | jbevren | I'm likely bipolar |
| 04:47.03 | jbevren | undoubtedly depressed (clinically) |
| 04:47.19 | jbevren | but normally I keep it in check |
| 04:47.24 | jbevren | figured out how a few years back |
| 04:47.41 | flyback- | go checked and get meds bro |
| 04:47.45 | flyback- | or even try a natural herb |
| 04:47.48 | flyback- | no reason to just suffer |
| 04:47.53 | jbevren | fund my checkout and meds for me :) |
| 04:48.00 | jbevren | I dont really suffer much anymore |
| 04:48.03 | jbevren | relatively, its awesome |
| 04:48.04 | flyback- | might be able to get some disability funding for that |
| 04:48.19 | jbevren | I spent years believing the collapse of my parents' marriage was my fault |
| 04:48.36 | jbevren | alas, kids are stupid like that |
| 04:49.19 | jbevren | I could pile on all sorts of other things, but thats all stuff to be forgotten hehe |
| 04:50.08 | flyback- | did prpp move yet? |
| 04:50.53 | jbevren | unknown, I dont think so though |
| 04:51.12 | jbevren | iirc theyre getting a few headaches from INS again, but paperwork is filled and theyre in a waiting game |
| 04:51.27 | jbevren | thanks to legalized prejudice |
| 04:51.49 | flyback- | legalized prejudice? |
| 04:51.52 | jbevren | something about barbados allowing higher levels of anonymity than the INS likes |
| 04:52.00 | flyback- | yeah so? |
| 04:52.01 | jbevren | so anyone from barbados is delayed/stalled to death |
| 04:52.05 | jbevren | because who knows |
| 04:52.07 | flyback- | this is the reality of post 911 |
| 04:52.08 | jbevren | maybe theyre terrorists |
| 04:52.13 | jbevren | see |
| 04:52.21 | jbevren | those that did the 911 attack |
| 04:52.23 | jbevren | they won. |
| 04:52.25 | jbevren | :) |
| 04:52.25 | flyback- | these assholes aren't beyond using retarded children as sucide bombers |
| 04:52.32 | flyback- | they did that in iraq during the elections |
| 04:52.33 | jbevren | actually |
| 04:52.38 | jbevren | dont use 'retarded'. Thats unfair |
| 04:52.42 | flyback- | no |
| 04:52.42 | jbevren | theyre programmed. |
| 04:52.46 | flyback- | he was really retarded |
| 04:52.48 | jbevren | and many are far smarter than me |
| 04:52.50 | flyback- | how shameless is that |
| 04:53.00 | jbevren | Think of it this way |
| 04:53.04 | flyback- | retarded child in a wheelchair |
| 04:53.14 | flyback- | I am a firm believer of multiple levels of hell |
| 04:53.19 | flyback- | everyone suffers and burns |
| 04:53.25 | flyback- | but the really sick fucks get extra treatement |
| 04:53.36 | jbevren | I believe there are powers |
| 04:53.51 | jbevren | but I doubt there's a single God with omniscience and omnipotence |
| 04:54.00 | jbevren | fi there is, the god is complacent |
| 04:54.29 | jbevren | I was raised to be Christian On Sunday(TM) |
| 04:54.52 | jbevren | which means you do whatever you please during the week, even if its not christianlike |
| 04:54.58 | jbevren | and you behave on sunday heh |
| 04:55.22 | flyback- | well I am not a good example :P |
| 04:55.24 | jbevren | Ive since defined my own definition of good behavior |
| 04:55.31 | jbevren | and I attempt to follow it every day |
| 04:56.02 | jbevren | I like to distance myself from churchgoers, becuase those are the ones that most often are the least 'christian' |
| 04:56.17 | jbevren | and after reading enough history, Ive decided that Religion in general is bad. |
| 04:56.23 | jbevren | look at the crusades |
| 04:56.29 | flyback- | bah they are all rotting in hell |
| 04:56.32 | jbevren | killing millions mercilessly and needlessly heh |
| 04:56.37 | jbevren | and those that kill for Allah |
| 04:56.44 | jbevren | (who by the way is a very cool prophet) |
| 04:56.48 | flyback- | yeah trust me they got their ass handed to them |
| 04:56.56 | jbevren | sadly, Allah sends those suicide bombers to hell |
| 04:57.06 | flyback- | no they twisted their religion to believe that |
| 04:57.16 | jbevren | they twist the religion yeah |
| 04:57.27 | jbevren | and teach children from onset of memory to believe that twist |
| 04:57.46 | jbevren | Ive seen videos of kids 9 years old saying they dream of being a suicide bomber |
| 04:57.50 | flyback- | yeah it's sad |
| 04:58.22 | flyback- | back to my windmill stuff |
| 04:58.28 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:58.36 | flyback- | did you see the stuff about the f&P washing machine motors |
| 04:58.40 | flyback- | I wish they used them in us |
| 04:58.43 | jbevren | so youre using a stator (I think thats the type of motor) for generating juice |
| 04:58.43 | flyback- | brushless motors |
| 04:58.54 | flyback- | they are so good |
| 04:58.56 | flyback- | there is this company |
| 04:59.02 | flyback- | that has a whole product business |
| 04:59.06 | jbevren | I read an article on a magnet seller on using rare earth PMs and custom windings |
| 04:59.07 | flyback- | out of salvaged motors |
| 04:59.10 | flyback- | even with cracked in the base |
| 04:59.16 | flyback- | they just slap in new bearings and go |
| 04:59.17 | jbevren | nod, the wire for these is often salvaged |
| 04:59.25 | flyback- | rifraf bought one |
| 04:59.30 | flyback- | $25 for a junked washing machine |
| 04:59.33 | jbevren | the challenge for those of course is keeping one winding energized |
| 04:59.36 | flyback- | should do 200-400 watts |
| 04:59.39 | flyback- | depending on speed |
| 04:59.45 | flyback- | power output |
| 04:59.47 | jbevren | I'm in a flat part of Iowa |
| 04:59.52 | flyback- | lot of wind? |
| 04:59.58 | jbevren | one of the nation's largest windfarms is in planning for the area |
| 05:00.02 | flyback- | cool |
| 05:00.07 | jbevren | 500-600 megawatts I think |
| 05:00.08 | flyback- | I was going to do savonius |
| 05:00.18 | flyback- | but now I am thinking darrius with a savonius starter |
| 05:00.20 | jbevren | but there are windfarms all over Iowa |
| 05:00.35 | flyback- | verticle axis aren't as efficient as propeller type they max out quicker |
| 05:00.38 | flyback- | bvut for smaller scale |
| 05:00.42 | flyback- | they can tap slow speed wind |
| 05:00.49 | flyback- | and they are always pointed in the wind direction |
| 05:00.50 | jbevren | there's a restaraunt on I35 just south of us thats been using wind power for as long as I can remember |
| 05:00.53 | flyback- | can you see flash videos ? |
| 05:00.59 | jbevren | yeah, I'm on my gamebox atm |
| 05:01.05 | flyback- | hang on |
| 05:01.06 | jbevren | oh, btw, flash9 for linux is out :) |
| 05:01.18 | jbevren | it fixes the audio sync issues in videos |
| 05:01.22 | jbevren | so youtube works bettah |
| 05:01.27 | flyback- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXYUBNpa4Hg |
| 05:01.32 | flyback- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz9yKQj18Fs |
| 05:01.42 | flyback- | I am just waiting for better nullsoft video/vp6/winampTV support |
| 05:01.49 | flyback- | before I switch most of my machines back to linux only |
| 05:01.54 | flyback- | they are close |
| 05:02.14 | jbevren | ah vertical axis |
| 05:02.16 | jbevren | cool stuff |
| 05:02.29 | flyback- | my problem is the spacial part of my brain is basically non existant |
| 05:02.37 | flyback- | trying to drill a centered whole etc = HUH? |
| 05:02.41 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:02.43 | jbevren | thats easy |
| 05:02.46 | jbevren | want a pointer? |
| 05:02.59 | flyback- | only reason I can do a windmill now is this dc brushed motor from hp series inkjets just happens to fit a old fan blade perfectely |
| 05:03.08 | flyback- | and it's dual shaft so I might chain 4 m,otors together |
| 05:03.12 | jbevren | cool |
| 05:03.13 | flyback- | yeah I know I need to buy a caliper |
| 05:03.17 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:03.20 | jbevren | surpluscomputers.com |
| 05:03.21 | jbevren | $5ish |
| 05:03.27 | flyback- | I need digital :P |
| 05:03.28 | jbevren | Mine's digital readout, .5mm accuracy |
| 05:03.52 | flyback- | did you watch both videos/ |
| 05:03.55 | flyback- | and is .5mm pretty good? |
| 05:03.57 | jbevren | I'm watching a third atm |
| 05:04.01 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.14 | flyback- | whoa nice |
| 05:04.27 | flyback- | also someone said I can get these univeral shaft coupler things |
| 05:04.33 | flyback- | that's my #1 stopping problem right now |
| 05:04.38 | flyback- | trying to make 2 pieces go together |
| 05:04.40 | jbevren | ah |
| 05:04.41 | flyback- | I got tons of stepper and dc motors |
| 05:04.43 | flyback- | btw I found out |
| 05:04.45 | jbevren | go to a farm store |
| 05:05.23 | flyback- | coreless motors are worth shit for gens |
| 05:05.23 | jbevren | they'll have your shaft coupler |
| 05:05.23 | flyback- | at least at lower speeds |
| 05:05.23 | jbevren | depending on what resistance you can accept, you can also couple with nylon tubing |
| 05:05.24 | flyback- | and I canucked up my dmm |
| 05:05.24 | flyback- | I didn't know you can't hook to the source |
| 05:05.24 | flyback- | for amp teching |
| 05:05.27 | flyback- | even if it has a amp testing setting |
| 05:05.30 | flyback- | I guess you have to put a load in it |
| 05:05.37 | flyback- | but I think I only poped the fuse |
| 05:05.40 | jbevren | ah |
| 05:05.42 | jbevren | yeah, theyre fused |
| 05:05.54 | jbevren | in fact, there's probably a spare fuse inside it :) |
| 05:05.57 | jbevren | open it up some time and look |
| 05:06.01 | flyback- | btw another good solution is trendmill motors they are brushed dc usually because ac is too damn hard to do speed control |
| 05:06.10 | flyback- | heh last time I opend it to charge the batteries |
| 05:06.20 | flyback- | the battery holder wire broken and I spent 2 hrs and melted it trying to get it back on |
| 05:06.28 | jbevren | doh :( |
| 05:06.29 | flyback- | and you guys wonder why I never want to actually do anything |
| 05:06.36 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:06.53 | flyback- | I have the coordination of a fish stick |
| 05:06.53 | jbevren | I just keep missing the obvious |
| 05:06.53 | jbevren | I did get a personal milestone done with my xilinx board |
| 05:06.53 | flyback- | you should build a windmill due |
| 05:06.56 | flyback- | one of the small $5-$20 ones |
| 05:07.00 | jbevren | I'm attempting to do a custom video framebuffer |
| 05:07.02 | flyback- | run some leds or mcu's for fun |
| 05:07.03 | flyback- | whoa |
| 05:07.05 | flyback- | beyond me :P |
| 05:07.06 | jbevren | and the board is actually generating proper sync :) |
| 05:07.15 | flyback- | too many points to think about something like that :P |
| 05:07.15 | jbevren | its pretty simple actually |
| 05:07.26 | jbevren | You know parallel to serial conversion right? |
| 05:07.32 | flyback- | sorta yeah |
| 05:07.36 | jbevren | thats the basis |
| 05:07.38 | jbevren | mine is 1bpp |
| 05:07.41 | flyback- | ah |
| 05:07.42 | jbevren | black/white, on/off |
| 05:07.46 | jbevren | so you grab a byte |
| 05:07.46 | flyback- | I guess that would be easy there |
| 05:07.48 | jbevren | convert it to serial |
| 05:07.53 | jbevren | this goes to the video input :) |
| 05:07.56 | jbevren | grab another, convert |
| 05:07.58 | flyback- | what do you need a framebuffer for though |
| 05:08.00 | jbevren | do this 64 times per line |
| 05:08.07 | jbevren | a custom computer I"m bujilding |
| 05:08.08 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.11 | flyback- | lcd? |
| 05:08.14 | jbevren | 65816 cpu |
| 05:08.20 | flyback- | isn't that coldfire |
| 05:08.21 | jbevren | naw, those accept parallel input, and dont need much sync |
| 05:08.27 | jbevren | naw, 816 is older |
| 05:08.36 | jbevren | coldfire is 680x0 or ppc depending on which core you want |
| 05:08.44 | flyback- | ah |
| 05:08.48 | jbevren | 65816 is a descendant of 6502 |
| 05:08.48 | flyback- | I thought all the other ones were dead |
| 05:08.53 | flyback- | oh 8 bit |
| 05:08.53 | jbevren | which you'd know from atari 2600 |
| 05:08.57 | jbevren | or apple2 |
| 05:09.01 | flyback- | yeah btw |
| 05:09.03 | jbevren | the 816 was used in the SNES |
| 05:09.15 | flyback- | I have a ibm pc jr with monitor, apple IIc with monitor and decmate III with monitor |
| 05:09.17 | jbevren | its 16bit(ish). Its 8bit data, 24bit addr |
| 05:09.20 | flyback- | know anyone looking for these |
| 05:09.23 | flyback- | cause I don't want them |
| 05:09.27 | jbevren | a decmate3 eh? heh |
| 05:09.40 | flyback- | yeah it had the daisywheel printer too but I trashed it for motors |
| 05:09.45 | flyback- | didn't think it was worth keeping |
| 05:09.46 | flyback- | huge |
| 05:09.52 | flyback- | decmate III is the last pdp8 |
| 05:09.55 | jbevren | ohh |
| 05:10.11 | jbevren | its a rainbow-family system juding by the image I see |
| 05:10.15 | flyback- | http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=468 |
| 05:10.22 | jbevren | http://simh.trailing-edge.com/photos/decmate_iii.jpg |
| 05:10.24 | flyback- | no rainbow was their patetic x86 atrtempt wasn't it? |
| 05:10.36 | flyback- | btw mine has the z80 board installed |
| 05:10.42 | jbevren | I have a friend that has two rainbows |
| 05:10.49 | jbevren | both have a z80 and 8088 in them |
| 05:10.57 | flyback- | yeah this is pdp8 on a chip |
| 05:11.00 | flyback- | + z80 board |
| 05:11.01 | jbevren | the cpu's dont run concurrently, but they can be swapped during runtime |
| 05:11.05 | flyback- | i really don't have a use for it |
| 05:11.18 | jbevren | do you have the floppy mechanism? |
| 05:11.19 | flyback- | I just tossed the last of 8 broken crt's |
| 05:11.20 | flyback- | yep |
| 05:11.25 | flyback- | so does the pcjr and the apple |
| 05:11.42 | jbevren | some decmates had a tape drive in the cpu unit, and floppy in an external chassi |
| 05:11.43 | jbevren | s |
| 05:11.53 | jbevren | do you have the kbd? |
| 05:11.57 | flyback- | i'm about 1 hr from pittsburgh if you know anyone looking for this stuff |
| 05:11.58 | flyback- | yes |
| 05:12.06 | flyback- | all 3 things are intact pretty much |
| 05:12.08 | jbevren | is it a LK200 series? :) |
| 05:12.13 | flyback- | LK200? |
| 05:12.19 | jbevren | LK201 or LK401 |
| 05:12.21 | jbevren | kbd model |
| 05:12.21 | flyback- | ? |
| 05:12.24 | flyback- | oh lemme check |
| 05:12.25 | flyback- | hang on |
| 05:12.25 | jbevren | dec used those on everything |
| 05:12.31 | jbevren | even their serial tty's |
| 05:12.56 | jbevren | the image on old-computers.com looks like an earlyish LK201 |
| 05:13.38 | flyback- | LK201 |
| 05:13.46 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:13.52 | jbevren | if the kbd's in good shape, it'll sell |
| 05:13.58 | jbevren | that keyboard works on a lot of dec hardware |
| 05:13.59 | flyback- | why? |
| 05:14.01 | flyback- | they hackable? |
| 05:14.04 | flyback- | ah |
| 05:14.06 | jbevren | they -are- rs232 :) |
| 05:14.08 | jbevren | but, |
| 05:14.11 | flyback- | WHOA |
| 05:14.19 | jbevren | they work on VT models from the 220 to the 520 |
| 05:14.24 | jbevren | most of the vaxstations |
| 05:14.30 | jbevren | all of the rainbow/decmate series |
| 05:14.31 | flyback- | yeah it attaches to the monitor |
| 05:14.34 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:14.37 | flyback- | and the monitor is powered from the video card :P |
| 05:14.41 | jbevren | the monitor sends/recieves kbd data via the video cable |
| 05:14.49 | jbevren | yep |
| 05:14.56 | jbevren | that way there's one cable between the display and cpu box |
| 05:15.02 | jbevren | dec's attempt at organizing the desktop |
| 05:15.02 | flyback- | that must have been some good smoked shit back then |
| 05:15.06 | flyback- | I want some of those drugs |
| 05:15.17 | jbevren | its a good design :) |
| 05:15.24 | jbevren | many computers powered their displays |
| 05:15.25 | flyback- | yeah I guess |
| 05:15.36 | flyback- | I mean the keyboard thru the monitor |
| 05:15.37 | jbevren | the monitor is probably only like 20 watts |
| 05:15.40 | jbevren | oh |
| 05:15.42 | jbevren | technically :) |
| 05:15.51 | jbevren | iirc, the keyboard's wires are just sent through the cable |
| 05:15.52 | flyback- | I have noticed from this channel and some forums |
| 05:16.03 | jbevren | the KBC's actually on the video card, not in the monitor |
| 05:16.04 | flyback- | that pc keyboards are the worst for hacking onto non pc stuff |
| 05:16.09 | jbevren | whyso? |
| 05:16.13 | jbevren | theyre synch serial |
| 05:16.21 | flyback- | I guess the protocol you need a mcu translater etc |
| 05:16.26 | jbevren | naw |
| 05:16.29 | jbevren | mcu's just make it easier |
| 05:16.34 | flyback- | where as some pda keyboards etc you just need serial i/o |
| 05:16.35 | flyback- | hmm |
| 05:16.48 | jbevren | one of the homebrewers for 6502 hooked their PS/2 kbd up via a parallel port |
| 05:17.00 | flyback- | nice |
| 05:17.17 | jbevren | you need 2 wires. Clock, data (iirc) |
| 05:17.22 | jbevren | the rest is keycode translation |
| 05:17.29 | flyback- | i'm done with crt's except for large 19inch+ displays |
| 05:17.45 | jbevren | heh. I still use my three 19" suns upstairs |
| 05:17.52 | flyback- | lcd is so much easier to deal with |
| 05:17.54 | flyback- | well like I said |
| 05:17.58 | flyback- | 19 inch and up I still do |
| 05:17.58 | jbevren | my homebrew project is to fit inside a mac SE |
| 05:18.02 | flyback- | my main is 19 |
| 05:18.02 | jbevren | 512x342 1bpp |
| 05:18.08 | jbevren | thus the custom video IC :) |
| 05:18.08 | flyback- | and I just put a 17 in this bedroom pc |
| 05:18.10 | flyback- | yeah that's fine too |
| 05:18.15 | flyback- | legacy or special retrofit |
| 05:18.20 | flyback- | but otherwise lcd is just easier to do |
| 05:18.26 | jbevren | yep |
| 05:18.29 | flyback- | small cell phone ones are cheap |
| 05:18.32 | flyback- | and many are easy to drive |
| 05:18.45 | jbevren | I have a 320x240 reflective lcd in the basement |
| 05:18.48 | jbevren | brand new $2 |
| 05:18.48 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:18.59 | jbevren | its not vga or anything, it'd need a lcd chip |
| 05:18.59 | flyback- | I still think a simple soldered rom on the juicebox that turns it into a serial lcd would be one of the smartest apps |
| 05:19.11 | flyback- | yeah controllerless ones suck |
| 05:19.20 | jbevren | this one is somewhat controller'd |
| 05:19.25 | jbevren | depends on how smart you want it to be |
| 05:19.28 | flyback- | well unless like you, you can do fpga controller in 10 mins :P |
| 05:19.32 | jbevren | You can feed it bytes and it'll go to the panel |
| 05:19.33 | flyback- | i can't :P |
| 05:19.40 | jbevren | lol |
| 05:19.45 | jbevren | it took me about 4 hours to get sync signals |
| 05:19.49 | jbevren | I dont know HDL well enough |
| 05:19.54 | flyback- | I wish I could get ajkroll on here |
| 05:19.56 | jbevren | then they were 8x too slow |
| 05:20.00 | flyback- | but he has problems |
| 05:20.02 | jbevren | cause I was counting the clock wrong lol |
| 05:20.05 | flyback- | he's like a mix of all you guys |
| 05:20.14 | flyback- | he was doing 16 ports on ide when they came with 1 port |
| 05:20.21 | flyback- | hacking isa cards to share interrupts etc |
| 05:20.26 | jbevren | IDE is really just a bus extension |
| 05:20.34 | jbevren | isa irq sharing is a pita |
| 05:20.34 | flyback- | yea I know that now :) |
| 05:20.35 | jbevren | but Ive done it :) |
| 05:20.37 | flyback- | but still cool |
| 05:20.47 | jbevren | the problem is that most cards are badly designed |
| 05:20.55 | flyback- | I seen that too :( |
| 05:21.10 | flyback- | man I seen ide hacks for all kinds of non pc stuff |
| 05:21.14 | flyback- | even a 8 bit one for xt's |
| 05:21.14 | jbevren | irq sharing should be possible in all cases, but cheap cards use the wrong outputs on the irq line |
| 05:21.21 | flyback- | you could run compact flash to ide on a 8088 |
| 05:21.22 | flyback- | :P |
| 05:21.23 | jbevren | here's a cool IDE hack I saw |
| 05:21.25 | jbevren | I dont have a link for it, |
| 05:21.32 | flyback- | it's ok I have seen tons |
| 05:21.34 | jbevren | but a raid system I had used an ide port for lcd interface |
| 05:21.44 | flyback- | whoa |
| 05:21.49 | jbevren | basically they used the ide port to decode the IO address for the LCD controller |
| 05:21.56 | jbevren | so the lcd controlle rplugged into the second IDE port |
| 05:22.16 | jbevren | if you just use PIO, its simple to apply a small IO device to an ide port |
| 05:22.16 | flyback- | btw some guys in france claim to have a solution for driving lvds laptop panels |
| 05:22.36 | jbevren | they can drive LVDS :) |
| 05:22.40 | flyback- | basterd |
| 05:22.45 | jbevren | and they were discontinued 8-10 years ago |
| 05:22.48 | flyback- | can they drive laptop lvds though |
| 05:22.56 | jbevren | with a level translator, sure |
| 05:23.07 | flyback- | I have 1 tft panel that's pre lvds |
| 05:23.11 | flyback- | so I can do the vesa feature hack |
| 05:23.13 | jbevren | technically, theyre OpenLDI, but you just have to program them for the other sync style, and single-channel |
| 05:23.14 | flyback- | and get 16 colors |
| 05:23.21 | jbevren | ah cool |
| 05:23.31 | flyback- | and i Just trashed 2 dell pII 300 laptops |
| 05:23.32 | jbevren | I think matrox's cards still have the feature connector |
| 05:23.36 | flyback- | washed down the parts |
| 05:23.39 | flyback- | going to combine into 1 working |
| 05:23.43 | flyback- | and the other into a lcd projector |
| 05:23.49 | jbevren | Save at least one, you never know when you'll need a serial terminal |
| 05:23.52 | flyback- | it blew it's backlight so it's pefect |
| 05:23.57 | flyback- | I have a 486-100 mb + lcd for that :P |
| 05:23.58 | jbevren | a floppy with DOS and Telix will serve that purpose nicely |
| 05:24.01 | flyback- | yep |
| 05:24.17 | flyback- | most cards till like 1-2 yrs ago still had the vesa feature connector |
| 05:24.20 | jbevren | or as I built for a previous employer, linux kernel+initrd with minicom |
| 05:24.22 | flyback- | if you just need 16 colors it's a easy hack |
| 05:24.37 | flyback- | technically might be possible to get 256 but that's the interface limit |
| 05:24.42 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:25.05 | flyback- | but I am getting rid of some stuff around here soon I don't have the patience or health/time for it anymore |
| 05:25.07 | jbevren | A friend and I used pcjr graphics (4bpp fb) to run four displays |
| 05:25.08 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:25.08 | flyback- | and I could use some cash anyways :P |
| 05:25.15 | flyback- | hahaha |
| 05:25.23 | jbevren | we buffered the sync signals |
| 05:25.31 | jbevren | and sent r/g/b/i each to a different display |
| 05:25.36 | flyback- | and just used chip select? |
| 05:25.38 | jbevren | some proof of concept images were done |
| 05:25.38 | flyback- | basically? |
| 05:25.41 | jbevren | nono |
| 05:25.42 | jbevren | like |
| 05:25.45 | jbevren | the red bit was display 0 |
| 05:25.49 | jbevren | green was display 1 |
| 05:25.51 | jbevren | they were all b/w |
| 05:25.52 | flyback- | oh so 1 color each |
| 05:25.56 | flyback- | yeah that would work |
| 05:25.59 | flyback- | I seen recent hacks fo rthat |
| 05:26.03 | flyback- | vga cards to drive old tv's etc |
| 05:26.09 | jbevren | so you just encode each color nybble for the monitors |
| 05:26.26 | jbevren | yeah, there was a greyscale hack for vga |
| 05:26.32 | jbevren | using r/g/b on three displays |
| 05:26.59 | jbevren | Vaxes used to do the reverse |
| 05:27.07 | jbevren | you install one framebuffer and you have 8bit greyscale |
| 05:27.14 | jbevren | install 3 framebuffers and you get 24bit rgb |
| 05:27.22 | flyback- | whoa |
| 05:27.34 | jbevren | install 6 to get two monitors |
| 05:27.35 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:27.48 | jbevren | THats "planar" graphics, where each color has its own memory area |
| 05:27.58 | jbevren | PCs now use "chunky" where the colors are interleaved in ram |
| 05:28.05 | flyback- | sounds painful for x coders |
| 05:28.17 | jbevren | not really |
| 05:28.29 | jbevren | see, in chunky graphics, you have to do a lot of math |
| 05:28.40 | jbevren | red+green*256+blue*65536 -> memory |
| 05:28.57 | jbevren | planar is simpler: red -> mem, green -> mem2, blue -> mem3 |
| 05:29.16 | flyback- | pl |
| 05:29.18 | flyback- | ok |
| 05:29.19 | jbevren | its somewhat complex in that you have to manage three image blitters (if theyre present) |
| 05:29.30 | jbevren | but iirc vaxen didnt have 2D acceleration |
| 05:29.37 | flyback- | ouch |
| 05:29.41 | jbevren | their bus was fast enough that you dont really notice |
| 05:29.44 | flyback- | hey did you see those chips yrs ago |
| 05:29.49 | flyback- | dammit I can't remeber what they were |
| 05:29.54 | flyback- | but like crt drivers for mcu's etc |
| 05:29.58 | flyback- | usb crt driver etc |
| 05:30.07 | jbevren | like my HP 735/100. It has no 2D/3D acceleration, yet it can do a bouncing wireframe soccerball with no flicker |
| 05:30.11 | jbevren | yeah |
| 05:30.14 | jbevren | linux supports one |
| 05:30.22 | jbevren | its basically what you describe |
| 05:30.30 | jbevren | usb->micro->SiS vga chip |
| 05:30.57 | jbevren | My sun CG3 framebuffer is 8bit no acceleration. Just a memory decoder, ramdac, and video ram |
| 05:31.02 | jbevren | but it doesnt show |
| 05:31.15 | jbevren | mind you, it displays like 1M ram |
| 05:31.25 | jbevren | my system upstairs displays 6 megs of active video memory per panel |
| 05:31.31 | jbevren | so it'd need 2d accel :) |
| 05:31.33 | flyback- | heh you need any parts for a ss2 class machine |
| 05:31.39 | flyback- | before I toss the mb, psu and video |
| 05:31.48 | jbevren | might be able to use the sbus stuff |
| 05:31.48 | flyback- | never found a use so I already tossed the rtest |
| 05:31.49 | jbevren | woah |
| 05:31.51 | jbevren | spooky |
| 05:31.57 | jbevren | my laptop's fans just all turned off |
| 05:31.59 | flyback- | it has a sbus cg3 and a postscript card |
| 05:32.02 | jbevren | and the hdd's spun down |
| 05:32.08 | jbevren | 'postscript'? |
| 05:32.12 | flyback- | yeah |
| 05:32.18 | flyback- | postscript printer driver card |
| 05:32.18 | jbevren | I dont know sbus periphs that well |
| 05:32.19 | flyback- | don't asl me |
| 05:32.22 | jbevren | curious |
| 05:32.23 | flyback- | ask |
| 05:32.26 | flyback- | no idea :P |
| 05:32.34 | jbevren | I can put a CG3 in my ultra1e and have a second head |
| 05:32.36 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:32.41 | flyback- | I just found out too late that < ss5 is too canucked by design to use |
| 05:32.44 | jbevren | it has four sbus slots |
| 05:32.51 | flyback- | wasted $30 on the damn battery |
| 05:32.54 | jbevren | :( |
| 05:32.59 | flyback- | I kept it though :P |
| 05:33.00 | jbevren | my U1e's both work ok |
| 05:33.08 | flyback- | anything ss5 and up is usuable |
| 05:33.11 | flyback- | so ultra's for sure |
| 05:33.17 | jbevren | one has SOlaris 9 in 64bit mode (which I hear is a hack) |
| 05:33.21 | flyback- | but ss4 and below are sparc v7 |
| 05:33.22 | jbevren | the other runs openbsd |
| 05:33.28 | flyback- | which has so many mmu bugs the linux guys gave up |
| 05:33.28 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:33.32 | jbevren | really |
| 05:33.41 | jbevren | but the ipx's work |
| 05:33.50 | jbevren | my ss voyager does (sun4m) |
| 05:33.55 | jbevren | thats um |
| 05:34.00 | jbevren | not ultrasparc.. whats the other |
| 05:34.01 | jbevren | micro? |
| 05:34.01 | flyback- | yeah but 4m is v8 cpu |
| 05:34.06 | jbevren | Ohhhhh |
| 05:34.09 | jbevren | these are sun3 seris? |
| 05:34.14 | jbevren | (confused) |
| 05:34.14 | flyback- | no |
| 05:34.17 | flyback- | sun3 is m68k |
| 05:34.30 | jbevren | but anyway, I'll trust your word. :) |
| 05:34.31 | flyback- | sparc v7 was their first one and it doesn't even have hardware mul or div |
| 05:34.35 | jbevren | Ohhhh |
| 05:34.38 | flyback- | so it blows chunks on things like ssl |
| 05:34.39 | jbevren | I think I remember now |
| 05:34.45 | jbevren | lol like my mac quadra |
| 05:34.49 | jbevren | scp at 100k/sec |
| 05:34.49 | flyback- | it was pretty bad |
| 05:34.59 | flyback- | I didn't know at the time I bought it |
| 05:35.00 | jbevren | but if you use the 'none' cypher it gets a full 1M/sec (10T nic) |
| 05:35.14 | jbevren | 25mhz 68040 in that box |
| 05:35.22 | jbevren | the 16mhz 040 is even worse :) |
| 05:35.25 | flyback- | 68040 is better than v7 sparc :P |
| 05:35.26 | jbevren | er 16mhz 030 |
| 05:35.28 | flyback- | I bet |
| 05:35.32 | jbevren | probably, its much newer |
| 05:35.41 | jbevren | didnt the 3s use 68000 and 68020? |
| 05:35.54 | jbevren | brb |
| 05:37.10 | flyback- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-3 |
| 05:42.12 | flyback- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-3 |
| 05:42.14 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:42.16 | jbevren | crazy thing |
| 05:42.21 | jbevren | they sued their own MMU |
| 05:42.33 | jbevren | motorola has a perfectly suitable one for the 020 |
| 05:42.58 | jbevren | My friend has 8 polaris boards in a VME box |
| 05:43.56 | flyback- | polaris board? |
| 05:44.01 | jbevren | sun/3e |
| 05:44.06 | jbevren | a single-board sun |
| 05:44.13 | jbevren | fits in a sunVME slot |
| 05:44.20 | flyback- | ah |
| 05:44.24 | jbevren | You can multiprocess using multiple boards in one frame |
| 05:44.31 | jbevren | 020/20mhz |
| 05:44.37 | jbevren | I think we counted 4M ram on the boards |
| 05:44.40 | jbevren | never powered em up |
| 05:45.37 | jbevren | I repaired two.. they had wire jumpers that were torn off |
| 05:46.40 | jbevren | ah, yous are sun4 |
| 05:46.44 | jbevren | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-4 |
| 05:47.51 | flyback- | I can't find info on why v7 sparc sucks so bad |
| 05:48.27 | jbevren | my friend also has a handful of sparcstation IPx'es, and one working 3/110 |
| 05:48.28 | agaffney | perhaps it has something to do with the lack of hardware division (and possible multiplication)? :P |
| 05:48.37 | jbevren | the sun3 is faster than you'd expect at 16mhz :) |
| 05:48.44 | agaffney | v7 sucks goat nuts |
| 05:48.53 | flyback- | agaffney yes but there was other bugs |
| 05:48.56 | flyback- | like the mmu is canucked |
| 05:48.59 | jbevren | agaffney: youre telling me? |
| 05:49.06 | flyback- | the linux kernel guys were like "the hell with this" |
| 05:49.06 | jbevren | I program on an 8bit cpu with a single accumulator |
| 05:49.10 | jbevren | which has no mul/div :) |
| 05:49.13 | agaffney | heh |
| 05:49.15 | flyback- | heh dude those are more useful |
| 05:49.16 | flyback- | sadly |
| 05:49.27 | jbevren | flyback-: ad actually, theyre fun to program |
| 05:49.29 | agaffney | debian's sparc stuff is slow as molasses |
| 05:49.33 | agaffney | because they target v7 |
| 05:49.38 | flyback- | ugh wtf for |
| 05:49.41 | agaffney | so all their mul/div is in software |
| 05:49.43 | jbevren | agaffney: that explaisn a lot |
| 05:49.47 | agaffney | even on chips that support it |
| 05:49.53 | flyback- | UGH |
| 05:49.53 | jbevren | flyback-: universalness :P |
| 05:49.58 | flyback- | screw that |
| 05:50.01 | flyback- | master another cd |
| 05:50.03 | agaffney | gentoo ftw :P |
| 05:50.07 | flyback- | it's not hard |
| 05:50.07 | jbevren | best for sparc is gentoo yeah |
| 05:50.13 | flyback- | 2 builds big deal |
| 05:50.14 | jbevren | actually, best for (insert nonx86 here) is gentoo |
| 05:50.20 | flyback- | only thing that changes is gcc flag |
| 05:50.25 | agaffney | jbevren: indeed :P |
| 05:50.37 | flyback- | e4ven netbsd and openbsd |
| 05:50.40 | flyback- | split off the v7 |
| 05:50.41 | agaffney | gentoo's non-x86 support is better than any other distro out there |
| 05:50.42 | jbevren | agaffney: Gentoo on my origin 200, HP J5600, HP 725/50 |
| 05:50.43 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:50.53 | flyback- | I want linux on my palm |
| 05:50.57 | flyback- | palm os is just dead end |
| 05:50.59 | jbevren | flyback-: suffer :) |
| 05:51.03 | flyback- | suffer? |
| 05:51.05 | jbevren | palmos does what I need tho, |
| 05:51.07 | flyback- | I suffer now |
| 05:51.08 | jbevren | so I'm ok with it |
| 05:51.10 | flyback- | I fart and it crashes |
| 05:51.11 | agaffney | jbevren: gentoo on my Octane, HP C3600, HP 715/75, dual G4, and Sun Netra t1125 :P |
| 05:51.13 | flyback- | you can't do web |
| 05:51.17 | flyback- | you can't do multitasking |
| 05:51.20 | jbevren | ahh c3600 |
| 05:51.21 | flyback- | you can't do pdf viewing really |
| 05:51.27 | flyback- | cause of os memory issues |
| 05:51.39 | jbevren | flyback-: Nod. I only have like 3 third-party apps on mine |
| 05:51.45 | jbevren | remember, I have the old IIIxe |
| 05:51.59 | flyback- | oh yeah palm os is perfect for those |
| 05:52.04 | flyback- | that's fine |
| 05:52.06 | agaffney | jbevren: the 715/75 has been in the closet for ~2 years since I got the C3600 ;) |
| 05:52.12 | flyback- | but os 5 which is for arm devices |
| 05:52.13 | agaffney | but it's got a gentoo install on it :) |
| 05:52.16 | flyback- | with the idea of multitimedia |
| 05:52.21 | flyback- | is still made around m68k cpu |
| 05:52.24 | flyback- | so they don't have mmu, etc |
| 05:52.56 | jbevren | agaffney: My 715/50 has been in the garage for some time |
| 05:53.04 | jbevren | agaffney: I was impressed; it can play 320kbit mp3's without skipping |
| 05:53.09 | jbevren | 50mhz. |
| 05:53.12 | jbevren | thats some FPU :) |
| 05:53.15 | flyback- | 715/50 ? |
| 05:53.18 | agaffney | pa-risc |
| 05:53.22 | flyback- | I wish my webpal could do mp3 |
| 05:53.28 | flyback- | it has a fpu but no one supports it |
| 05:53.30 | jbevren | flyback-: Pa7100LC (iirc) |
| 05:53.36 | flyback- | I would install in in my car like now |
| 05:53.54 | jbevren | my J5600 is like two of Agaf's C3600s |
| 05:54.02 | jbevren | theyre basically the same, but mine has two cpus |
| 05:54.02 | flyback- | yeah wonder if hp is sorry yet they dumped pa risc for itanic |
| 05:54.11 | agaffney | jbevren: I had an old powermac 8100 that ran at 66MHz or something like that. it could play 192Kbps MP3s without skipping while compiling |
| 05:54.22 | jbevren | agaffney: nice |
| 05:54.33 | agaffney | jbevren: doesn't it have 4 drive bays as well? |
| 05:54.43 | jbevren | the J5600? yeah |
| 05:54.45 | jbevren | 4 sca bays |
| 05:54.51 | jbevren | it has like 8 pci slots |
| 05:54.53 | agaffney | so it's basically double the c3600 in every way |
| 05:54.54 | jbevren | double-wide chassis |
| 05:55.01 | jbevren | 4 pci buses |
| 05:55.17 | agaffney | I don't run my c3600 often |
| 05:55.20 | agaffney | it puts out too much heat |
| 05:55.22 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/j5600/ |
| 05:56.01 | jbevren | I started the trend of using matroxes in the pci HPs |
| 05:56.05 | jbevren | everyone told me it wouldnt work :) |
| 05:56.11 | jbevren | I worked out how to get it working |
| 05:56.18 | jbevren | sadly, that was to completely disable acceleration |
| 05:56.35 | agaffney | GMsoft in #gentoo-hppa has been telling people to use matrox cards in hppa boxes for at least 3 years |
| 05:56.37 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/j5600/dscn1661.jpg |
| 05:56.42 | jbevren | flyback-: note the power bars. |
| 05:57.01 | flyback- | heh |
| 05:57.03 | jbevren | agaffney: interesting, I started using a matrox in my J5600 about 2.5 years ago :) |
| 05:57.04 | flyback- | wtf for |
| 05:57.06 | flyback- | all the draw or heat> |
| 05:57.12 | jbevren | flyback-: Current draw |
| 05:57.15 | flyback- | wow |
| 05:57.15 | flyback- | ouch |
| 05:57.17 | agaffney | the only thing I don't like about the c3600 is that the LCD stays on when you turn it off |
| 05:57.23 | jbevren | flyback-: the psu is 2400w |
| 05:57.26 | agaffney | does the j5600 do that as well? |
| 05:57.26 | flyback- | ouch\ |
| 05:57.36 | flyback- | agaffney can't you just rig up a small chip |
| 05:57.40 | jbevren | agaffney: No. The LCD stays active, but the backlight is off |
| 05:57.41 | flyback- | loss of signal = cut power to the lcd |
| 05:57.41 | jbevren | (iirc) |
| 05:57.46 | flyback- | even I could handle that |
| 05:57.54 | agaffney | jbevren: yeah, that's what I get |
| 05:57.58 | agaffney | it's just...weird :P |
| 05:58.15 | agaffney | it wouldn't be so bad if the machine was somewhat usable in the powered-off state |
| 05:58.25 | jbevren | flyback-: you know those 8oz soda cans? |
| 05:58.26 | agaffney | such as remote power-on via serial |
| 05:58.35 | jbevren | agaffney: nod |
| 05:58.51 | agaffney | I usually have the c3600 unplugged because of that damn LCD :P |
| 05:59.00 | jbevren | your backlight stays on? |
| 05:59.00 | agaffney | I've left it plugged in but powered off the last 2 weeks, though |
| 05:59.05 | agaffney | no, backlight is off |
| 05:59.07 | jbevren | ah |
| 05:59.15 | agaffney | it's just....weird to me |
| 05:59.20 | agaffney | :P |
| 05:59.25 | jbevren | My netfinity is similar |
| 05:59.28 | jbevren | its display is VFD |
| 05:59.32 | jbevren | but it likewise never turns off |
| 05:59.37 | agaffney | VFD? |
| 05:59.47 | jbevren | vaccuum flourescent display |
| 05:59.51 | jbevren | 2x16 |
| 06:00.00 | jbevren | it displays a text string you set in the bios |
| 06:00.05 | agaffney | ah |
| 06:00.11 | jbevren | or startup progress during boot |
| 06:00.22 | jbevren | sadly, I havent found any info on changing the display in linux :( |
| 06:00.35 | jbevren | I'd like to.. its not a bad box |
| 06:00.36 | agaffney | there's support in the kernel for the lcd on the c3600 and friends |
| 06:00.42 | jbevren | dual p3/xeon 550 |
| 06:00.48 | agaffney | unfortunately, it's only the top line of the display |
| 06:00.54 | jbevren | nod |
| 06:01.33 | agaffney | but then, there's a heartbeat indicator on the bottom line |
| 06:01.39 | jbevren | yep |
| 06:01.52 | jbevren | I like my 725's LEDs more |
| 06:01.56 | flyback- | <jbevren> flyback-: you know those 8oz soda cans? |
| 06:01.57 | flyback- | ? |
| 06:02.07 | jbevren | flyback-: do you know their size in general? |
| 06:02.11 | flyback- | ok |
| 06:02.12 | jbevren | its for reference :) |
| 06:02.18 | jbevren | the cpu heatsinks are just slightly smaller |
| 06:02.23 | jbevren | here: |
| 06:02.25 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/j5600/dscn1663.jpg |
| 06:02.28 | jbevren | thats the psu |
| 06:02.32 | jbevren | where it says pci expansion etc |
| 06:02.33 | flyback- | bah I seen p4 heatsinks that big |
| 06:02.43 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/j5600/dscn1664.jpg |
| 06:02.46 | jbevren | yes, but are they quiet :) |
| 06:02.50 | flyback- | ooo panflo fans! |
| 06:02.53 | flyback- | for teh win! |
| 06:02.56 | jbevren | hehe |
| 06:03.02 | jbevren | these come up to full speed over about 120sec |
| 06:03.06 | jbevren | then go back to minimal noise |
| 06:03.06 | agaffney | the c3600 is already pretty damn heavy |
| 06:03.11 | agaffney | I'd hate to life the j5600 |
| 06:03.13 | jbevren | agaffney: this is around 80lbs |
| 06:03.22 | jbevren | needs two people minimum |
| 06:03.34 | jbevren | I used to keep it on a wheeled cart until I put the netfinity on i |
| 06:03.34 | jbevren | t |
| 06:03.57 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/j5600/dscn1667.jpg |
| 06:03.59 | jbevren | LCD :) |
| 06:04.06 | jbevren | I'd been playing with the lcd /proc drdiver |
| 06:04.06 | jbevren | :) |
| 06:04.38 | agaffney | I wrote a small program to scroll a message across the LCD |
| 06:04.38 | flyback- | I been learning about lcd hacking lately |
| 06:04.39 | flyback- | I love it |
| 06:04.41 | agaffney | using the /proc interface |
| 06:04.48 | flyback- | you can get so many small lcd's for free or cheap |
| 06:04.51 | flyback- | old cell phones etcx |
| 06:05.04 | jbevren | flyback-: yep |
| 06:05.10 | agaffney | I've got a busted c3600 sitting by my front door waiting to go to the trash |
| 06:05.17 | agaffney | one day, it just stopped booting |
| 06:05.27 | agaffney | when it powers on, all the blocks on the LCD light up and nothing else happens |
| 06:05.35 | agaffney | I should rip the LCD off of it |
| 06:05.40 | agaffney | before I actually take it out |
| 06:05.56 | jbevren | :( |
| 06:06.16 | jbevren | I keep my systems just to have a small slice of computing history |
| 06:06.33 | jbevren | people like my nieces/nephews that had no idea there was ever a non-intel system |
| 06:06.35 | jbevren | heh |
| 06:06.56 | agaffney | I'm only tossing it because I've got another c3600 :P |
| 06:07.27 | jbevren | I'll probably be moving soon, which means I'll be parting with an origin 2000 |
| 06:07.31 | jbevren | I dont want to move it again :) |
| 06:08.19 | agaffney | heh, I bet |
| 06:08.34 | agaffney | I don't want to move my C3600 or netra :P |
| 06:08.34 | jbevren | the 200's heavy enough at 40-50lbs/node |
| 06:08.42 | jbevren | (two nodes) |
| 06:08.55 | jbevren | that one was Geoman's fault hehe |
| 06:09.00 | jbevren | they were $75/node |
| 06:09.08 | jbevren | 270mhz R12 cpus |
| 06:09.22 | agaffney | ah, you know geoman |
| 06:09.27 | jbevren | yep |
| 06:09.35 | agaffney | he grew up ~5 miles from where I live |
| 06:09.35 | jbevren | long before I showed up on linux-mips |
| 06:09.39 | jbevren | ah cool |
| 06:09.45 | jbevren | I know him from a telnet chatter |
| 06:09.49 | agaffney | he's in virginia now |
| 06:09.54 | jbevren | yeah |
| 06:10.03 | jbevren | I still see him online from time to time |
| 06:10.05 | agaffney | with his beloved rocks :P |
| 06:10.12 | flyback- | keep them clean |
| 06:10.16 | flyback- | I take older stuff into the sink |
| 06:10.18 | flyback- | monitors even |
| 06:10.23 | flyback- | and wash them down with orange clean and water |
| 06:10.36 | flyback- | then rinse them with distilled water and a finaal spray down with 91% alochol |
| 06:10.39 | agaffney | jbevren: most of the time now, he uses the nick spbecker |
| 06:10.41 | flyback- | and rig up a hair dryer to warm dry them |
| 06:10.55 | flyback- | will help get the heat down a bit |
| 06:10.56 | jbevren | agaffney: Yep |
| 06:11.02 | jbevren | agaffney: I mean on the telnet chatter though |
| 06:11.10 | jbevren | where he has the same name he's had for knee-high to 10 years |
| 06:11.18 | agaffney | ah |
| 06:12.14 | agaffney | small world :P |
| 06:14.26 | jbevren | indeed |
| 06:14.36 | jbevren | Geoman got me into the freenode network via my origin 200 |
| 06:14.45 | jbevren | Back when the patches -barely- worked |
| 06:14.48 | jbevren | heh |
| 06:15.05 | flyback- | I saw this article on keeping boards clean |
| 06:15.12 | flyback- | someone send a server psu back to place for repair |
| 06:15.15 | flyback- | 100% blocked |
| 06:15.20 | flyback- | i'd fire the admin on the spot |
| 06:15.48 | jbevren | *blink* |
| 06:16.01 | flyback- | even not turning it off and using a can of compressed air |
| 06:16.05 | flyback- | will cut that in half at least |
| 06:16.09 | flyback- | there's just no excuse for that crap |
| 06:16.55 | jbevren | that said |
| 06:16.58 | jbevren | where'd all the crap come from |
| 06:17.09 | flyback- | dust over the yrs |
| 06:19.44 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/img/dscn1229.jpg <- my favorite sun box (no, thats not me in the picture, its a coworker visiting after anime saturday) |
| 06:19.56 | jbevren | note the lcd and fanless design :) |
| 06:19.57 | flyback- | anime mmm |
| 06:20.03 | flyback- | currently watching bleach on/off via winampTV |
| 06:20.06 | flyback- | I love it |
| 06:20.12 | flyback- | cool sun |
| 06:20.18 | flyback- | I wouldn't mind one of those |
| 06:20.28 | jbevren | You'd be fortunate to find one |
| 06:20.31 | jbevren | very. fortunate. |
| 06:20.32 | jbevren | :) |
| 06:20.39 | jbevren | SparcStation Voyager |
| 06:20.43 | jbevren | highly uncommon |
| 06:20.58 | jbevren | I use mine quite a bit. It's pretty slow so I just use SLXT on it |
| 06:21.16 | jbevren | its a sun4u box using a fujitsu hypersparc |
| 06:21.32 | jbevren | CG3 framebuffer, 1024x768 lcd |
| 06:21.41 | jbevren | I had to repair the backlight psu |
| 06:21.42 | jbevren | :( |
| 06:21.55 | flyback- | those aren't hard to fix |
| 06:22.06 | flyback- | why don't you just run nomachine on it |
| 06:22.14 | jbevren | it doesnt have a harddisk? |
| 06:22.17 | jbevren | whats nomachine? |
| 06:22.23 | agaffney | flyback-: bleach rocks |
| 06:22.29 | jbevren | nod |
| 06:22.35 | agaffney | I've already watched all the available subbed episodes |
| 06:22.37 | jbevren | but I fear DB might drop bleach like they did naruto |
| 06:22.38 | agaffney | up though 102 |
| 06:22.43 | jbevren | agaffney: 110 |
| 06:22.45 | flyback- | agaffney dude |
| 06:22.48 | flyback- | 90 was the best |
| 06:22.54 | agaffney | what was 90? |
| 06:22.56 | flyback- | when that subhuman piece of trash bounto |
| 06:23.02 | agaffney | I'm sure it was one with the bounto |
| 06:23.04 | flyback- | that was using his power to torment people to death |
| 06:23.10 | flyback- | when his doll turns on him and crushes him |
| 06:23.17 | flyback- | that squishing sound was better than porn! |
| 06:23.20 | agaffney | haha |
| 06:23.27 | flyback- | I felt 20 yrs of computer rage, etc vent off me |
| 06:23.36 | jbevren | the Bound (bounto) are a stupid addition to the series imho |
| 06:23.37 | jbevren | heh |
| 06:23.41 | flyback- | na I like them |
| 06:23.45 | agaffney | jbevren: yeah, I agree |
| 06:23.56 | flyback- | watching that one dude get owned |
| 06:24.00 | agaffney | but they had to go somewhere with it after they saved Rukia |
| 06:24.06 | flyback- | the last guy in soul socienty ichigo fights |
| 06:24.07 | flyback- | was awesome |
| 06:24.12 | flyback- | I love KON |
| 06:24.14 | flyback- | KON is the best |
| 06:24.19 | jbevren | agaffney: indeed |
| 06:24.21 | agaffney | Kon rocks |
| 06:24.22 | flyback- | I was pissing myself laughing last night watching youtube clips |
| 06:24.29 | flyback- | "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?" |
| 06:24.29 | jbevren | agaffney: I wonder if theyre going to end the series after they kill Karyia |
| 06:24.32 | flyback- | I fell out of my chair |
| 06:24.58 | agaffney | jbevren: well, they still have to finish up the storyline with those 3 captains |
| 06:25.06 | jbevren | agaffney: http://www.jbevren.net/img/geoman_autolevel.jpg <- geoman :) |
| 06:25.11 | flyback- | I tell you another good series |
| 06:25.13 | flyback- | I have not finished |
| 06:25.18 | flyback- | black lagoon |
| 06:25.24 | flyback- | haven't finished series 1 and there is a 2 series |
| 06:25.26 | jbevren | flyback-: You want a good mental handjob? |
| 06:25.27 | agaffney | jbevren: yeah, I've met him. he's freakishly tall |
| 06:25.36 | jbevren | flyback-: Higurashi no naku koro ni. |
| 06:25.37 | flyback- | also haven't seen the ova version of hellsing yet |
| 06:25.42 | flyback- | or the ova2 hellsing |
| 06:25.48 | flyback- | the origional rocked |
| 06:25.53 | jbevren | agaffney: That was taken with a test driver for the SGI Indy VINO chip |
| 06:26.01 | agaffney | heh |
| 06:26.02 | flyback- | did you guys see full metal panic fuumfuu |
| 06:26.08 | agaffney | nope |
| 06:26.12 | flyback- | nm then |
| 06:26.28 | agaffney | more bleach, damn it! |
| 06:26.36 | jbevren | agaffney: dattebayo has 110 out |
| 06:26.43 | flyback- | elfen lied is about as canucked up as I have seen so far |
| 06:26.47 | agaffney | I get mine from bleachportal.net |
| 06:26.54 | flyback- | the gayest series yet according to me are |
| 06:26.54 | jbevren | elfen leid is simple |
| 06:26.58 | agaffney | either of you seen lain? |
| 06:27.00 | flyback- | evangelon |
| 06:27.03 | flyback- | lain was gay too |
| 06:27.04 | jbevren | agaffney: Lain didnt suit me |
| 06:27.11 | flyback- | evangelon sucked |
| 06:27.13 | jbevren | NGE was too fatalist |
| 06:27.18 | agaffney | eva made complete sense compared to lain |
| 06:27.22 | flyback- | yeah plus the author is a pedophile |
| 06:27.28 | flyback- | you can tell |
| 06:27.31 | jbevren | flyback-: welcome to japan. |
| 06:27.32 | agaffney | the only good thing to come from Eva was Kom Susser Tod |
| 06:27.36 | flyback- | I have to admit |
| 06:27.39 | flyback- | black lagoon |
| 06:27.43 | flyback- | made by genono |
| 06:27.45 | flyback- | makes up for eva |
| 06:28.00 | jbevren | agaffney: haibane renmei? |
| 06:28.04 | flyback- | sakasano started cool but then went off into a anti war rant |
| 06:28.07 | agaffney | jbevren: eh? |
| 06:28.12 | jbevren | agaffney: find/watch it |
| 06:28.17 | flyback- | jbe na dude I can tollerate like comical loss of clothing etc |
| 06:28.22 | jbevren | and watch it until you understand who the lead character is :) |
| 06:28.23 | flyback- | but 2 15 yr old's grinding |
| 06:28.27 | flyback- | sorry that's pedophile shit |
| 06:28.30 | flyback- | and that shit was in eva |
| 06:28.45 | jbevren | flyback-: I didnt say I agreed to it |
| 06:28.47 | agaffney | jbevren: just added it to my netflix queue :P |
| 06:28.49 | jbevren | I just said welcome to japan :) |
| 06:28.54 | jbevren | agaffney: its worth it |
| 06:28.57 | jbevren | agaffney: but again, |
| 06:28.59 | flyback- | wait agaffney |
| 06:29.02 | jbevren | make sure you understand who the story isa bout :) |
| 06:29.03 | flyback- | you too jbevren |
| 06:29.04 | flyback- | hang on |
| 06:29.16 | jbevren | I'd love to say more but cant :) |
| 06:29.21 | agaffney | heh |
| 06:29.23 | flyback- | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=black+lagoon&search=Search |
| 06:29.37 | jbevren | agaffney: that series sparked some -very- long discussions about religion and afterlife |
| 06:29.40 | flyback- | weird how a lot of the stuff in anime |
| 06:29.45 | flyback- | I have dreamed up since I was like 5 |
| 06:29.50 | flyback- | like the whole magical girl theme |
| 06:30.00 | flyback- | never having seen any anime btw till my 20's |
| 06:30.02 | flyback- | :P |
| 06:30.14 | flyback- | some of my favorites |
| 06:30.17 | flyback- | scrapped princess |
| 06:30.18 | flyback- | gto |
| 06:30.21 | flyback- | initital-d |
| 06:30.25 | flyback- | full metal panic |
| 06:30.32 | flyback- | chobits |
| 06:31.03 | jbevren | chobits is pedophilic |
| 06:31.06 | jbevren | good series tho |
| 06:31.20 | flyback- | na it was just perverted not really pedophilic |
| 06:31.20 | jbevren | the lead, Chii, is modeled after a 9 year old girl |
| 06:31.26 | flyback- | hmm |
| 06:31.29 | ohsix | i know the guy that fansubbed that series |
| 06:31.37 | jbevren | ohsix: which group |
| 06:31.40 | flyback- | I know the guy fansubbing bleach |
| 06:31.43 | flyback- | timecop, he's an asshole |
| 06:31.59 | ohsix | just one guy |
| 06:32.16 | jbevren | ohsix: My chobits series collection was done by two groups |
| 06:32.48 | ohsix | mine is 90% my budd and the first few eps are by some other fellow i think |
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| 06:34.21 | flyback- | the ending of scryed was stupid too |
| 06:35.04 | jbevren | I didnt watch that series |
| 06:36.29 | jbevren | flyback-: http://www.jbevren.net/img/sara-gnome--shin.jpg <- name the series :) |
| 06:37.58 | flyback- | not seen it |
| 06:38.06 | flyback- | really only seen a lot of anime since 2003 |
| 06:38.09 | flyback- | when I discovered winampTV |
| 06:38.09 | jbevren | heh |
| 06:38.15 | jbevren | macross zero |
| 06:39.05 | ohsix | heh coincidentially, the ircd i oper on, the admin runs almost all of those channels with anime on them |
| 06:39.06 | flyback- | ah |
| 06:39.19 | flyback- | desync? |
| 06:39.48 | jbevren | flyback-: here's my voyager in its current home |
| 06:39.49 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/img/workstation.jpg if youre curious |
| 06:40.02 | flyback- | nice |
| 06:40.13 | flyback- | what's the caseless unit |
| 06:40.19 | jbevren | its nicely protected behind a sheet of plate glass :) |
| 06:40.20 | flyback- | btw I Just tossed all my AT and non standard cases |
| 06:40.23 | jbevren | its one of the bgmicro boards |
| 06:40.31 | flyback- | oh |
| 06:40.34 | flyback- | mine still in package :/ |
| 06:40.37 | jbevren | matrox vga+usb |
| 06:40.39 | flyback- | nice |
| 06:40.51 | ohsix | yep |
| 06:40.53 | jbevren | the RH display has two inputs. Its currently displaying the bgmicro |
| 06:41.05 | ohsix | i get to see nuggets like this messaged to me all day [18:24] <flyback-> DO YOU LIKE PACKETS BITCH? |
| 06:43.34 | flyback- | uhh |
| 06:43.36 | flyback- | not to you |
| 06:43.43 | jbevren | anyway |
| 06:43.47 | jbevren | I should sleep |
| 06:43.47 | flyback- | I either typoed or you were a moron spamming a channel |
| 06:43.57 | flyback- | and I didn't realized you were a channel reg screwing aroundf |
| 06:44.05 | flyback- | I only threaten to packet spammers and trolls |
| 06:44.33 | flyback- | wonder if he has me on ignore |
| 06:44.40 | ohsix | 22:44 flyback- [n=darn@c-67-165-88-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] requested CTCP PING from ohsix: 1164955460 |
| 06:44.45 | flyback- | yeah |
| 06:44.46 | ohsix | are you trying to packet me right now? |
| 06:44.47 | flyback- | ignore test |
| 06:44.53 | flyback- | dumbass |
| 06:45.00 | flyback- | geez |
| 06:45.08 | jbevren | ohsix: dont be paranoid :) |
| 06:45.13 | jbevren | a ctcp ping is hardly a flood :) |
| 06:45.27 | flyback- | my friend I call on to packet people |
| 06:45.31 | flyback- | only packets trolls who won't leave |
| 06:45.36 | flyback- | so you have nothing to worry about ohsix |
| 06:45.41 | ohsix | i think threatening ddos is against freenodes TOS |
| 06:45.57 | flyback- | so is trollspam |
| 06:47.21 | flyback- | in fact last |
| 06:47.33 | flyback- | person I mesdssages was spaming a porn sight |
| 06:47.35 | flyback- | care to explain |
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| 06:48.42 | dongs | hi @ all |
| 06:49.21 | time_cop | orly. |
| 06:49.34 | jbevren | tc! :) |
| 06:49.44 | time_cop | yeah. |
| 06:49.51 | time_cop | i was summoned here by teh intarweb. |
| 06:50.00 | time_cop | unlucky for me, jewnode thinks 'timecop' is not a valid nick. |
| 06:50.07 | jbevren | wtf |
| 06:50.09 | jbevren | shrug |
| 06:50.13 | time_cop | not joking. |
| 06:50.26 | ohsix | it's not a great movie either |
| 06:50.39 | time_cop | your mom disagred |
| 06:50.44 | time_cop | +e |
| 06:50.45 | flyback- | so either you are lying |
| 06:50.49 | flyback- | I typed the wrong nick |
| 06:51.00 | flyback- | or someone jacked your nick and left as I messaged them after a porn spam |
| 06:51.08 | ohsix | my mom likes jackie chan movies, likely |
| 06:51.15 | time_cop | flyback, my favorite mental patient |
| 06:51.20 | jbevren | I just like Chan's outtakes |
| 06:51.33 | flyback- | time_cop don't even start |
| 06:51.34 | ohsix | yea, i like the guy, the movies get thin though |
| 06:51.41 | ohsix | it's not like a bruce lee movie :) |
| 06:51.46 | flyback- | mr threaten to packet me if I pasted another kramer url on youtube |
| 06:51.51 | time_cop | uh |
| 06:51.54 | flyback- | freaking psycho |
| 06:51.57 | time_cop | mr threaten to packet for any other dumb reason |
| 06:52.00 | time_cop | thats my line. |
| 06:52.02 | jbevren | enough namecalling :) |
| 06:52.05 | time_cop | (the psycho one) |
| 06:52.07 | jbevren | lets be adults |
| 06:52.10 | flyback- | jbe we go way way back |
| 06:52.12 | jbevren | so I dont have to kick someone :) |
| 06:52.21 | time_cop | pick flyback- for the kick. |
| 06:52.30 | flyback- | he's half the reason I don't take shit from opers |
| 06:52.30 | jbevren | time_cop: sadly, we have many times |
| 06:52.34 | flyback- | cause he used to torment me |
| 06:52.39 | jbevren | in fact, he'd be banned if prpplague was awake |
| 06:52.43 | ohsix | seems we're all rather familiar with everyone |
| 06:52.49 | flyback- | uhh apprentely not jbevren |
| 06:52.53 | flyback- | because he must have unbanned me |
| 06:53.06 | jbevren | flyback-: I think the bans auto expire |
| 06:53.14 | jbevren | flyback-: shrug |
| 06:53.49 | flyback- | that's his choice, I don't have the desire to even care anymore |
| 06:54.11 | jbevren | flyback-: I dont mind as long as you dont fall into a foul mood heh |
| 06:54.53 | flyback- | na I just toss stuff that pisses me off anymore |
| 06:54.54 | flyback- | I had enough |
| 06:55.15 | ohsix | enough lithium? |
| 06:55.17 | jbevren | flyback-: thats a pretty good mentality though |
| 06:55.24 | jbevren | thats one of the tricks I learned myself |
| 06:55.46 | flyback- | yeah well I had to learn the hard way |
| 06:55.52 | flyback- | after my health was fucked beyond repair |
| 06:57.05 | flyback- | I still don't think I messaged you ohsix |
| 06:57.10 | flyback- | so you were using another nick or something |
| 06:57.28 | jbevren | time_cop: Btw, what group do you work with? I see your nick a lot in fansubs |
| 06:58.26 | flyback- | night |
| 06:58.30 | ohsix | the walls have ears |
| 06:58.43 | ohsix | best to not sling about baseless threats, people might think you're a kook |
| 06:58.55 | jbevren | heh |
| 06:58.55 | flyback- | I am a kook |
| 06:58.56 | flyback- | :) |
| 06:59.00 | jbevren | I take most things FB says with some salt |
| 06:59.21 | ohsix | that much salt isn't good for your ticker |
| 06:59.30 | jbevren | ohsix: lol |
| 06:59.52 | flyback- | good then I need to eat more |
| 07:00.17 | jbevren | I need to eat more (vegetables) myself |
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| 07:04.49 | time_cop | jbevren: define 'a lot'. if youre seeing it now, its probably old stuff. |
| 07:04.57 | jbevren | fairly old |
| 07:09.21 | jbevren | z's. |
| 07:09.25 | jbevren | tc: nice to run into you. |
| 07:09.26 | jbevren | see ya |
| 08:00.03 | time_cop | indeed |
| 08:00.16 | time_cop | -!- timecop_ Erroneous Nickname |
| 08:00.18 | time_cop | lol. |
| 08:00.25 | time_cop | fuckign nazis. |
| 11:38.03 | *** mode/#edev [+b *!*n=darn@c-67-165-88-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] by prpplague |
| 11:38.04 | *** kick/#edev [flyback-!n=dave@72.22.153.248] by prpplague (prpplague) |
| 11:47.10 | prpplague | time_cop: please refrain from using vulgar language here, this channel is often visited by people at work, and we'd like the channel to remain unbanned from proxy blocks |
| 11:54.46 | time_cop | i'm not using a proxy. |
| 11:54.50 | time_cop | so if you want me gone, just say so. |
| 11:55.20 | prpplague | time_cop: but other people are using their access via a proxy |
| 11:55.35 | prpplague | time_cop: irc from work is a privilage, not a right |
| 11:55.58 | prpplague | time_cop: when business's see foul language and bad behavior they tend to block the channel |
| 11:56.55 | prpplague | time_cop: this is NOT some gee wiz channel on efnet, we have rules of behavior |
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| 13:04.13 | prpplague | i bet scox trades below $1 today |
| 13:09.01 | sjhill | good morning prpplague |
| 13:09.04 | sjhill | why is that? |
| 13:09.31 | prpplague | sjhill: two serious blows to their case in just two days |
| 13:10.16 | prpplague | sjhill: judge threw out almost all of their expert witness testimony |
| 13:14.35 | sjhill | prpplague: ah, that |
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| 13:58.26 | isenbeck | prpplague, it is colder than a witches titty in a brass bra |
| 13:59.01 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe |
| 13:59.03 | prpplague | isenbeck: snowing? |
| 13:59.23 | isenbeck | negative |
| 13:59.23 | wmat | cold and raining here, seriously miserable |
| 13:59.29 | isenbeck | prpplague, clear and COLD |
| 13:59.35 | isenbeck | to my standards anyway |
| 13:59.40 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe |
| 14:00.08 | isenbeck | wmat, would most likely walk out for the morning paper in his underwear in this weather |
| 14:00.29 | isenbeck | chouimat|Zzzz, too i bet |
| 14:00.38 | prpplague | 28F in longview |
| 14:00.42 | isenbeck | yeah |
| 14:00.57 | wmat | isenbeck: I did just that this morning :), the neighbours love me |
| 14:01.09 | isenbeck | wmat, i bet.........yikes |
| 14:02.00 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe, i sent my boss a bear creek ham for xmas |
| 14:02.23 | prpplague | isenbeck: think ol' scott will get any of his employees sending him anything? hehe |
| 14:07.00 | isenbeck | prpplague, most likely not |
| 14:09.01 | prpplague | isenbeck: hehe, maybe from hoku |
| 14:09.26 | *** join/#edev lkm` (n=c@gated.datecs.bg) |
| 14:10.40 | prpplague | lkm`: greetings |
| 14:11.12 | wmat | prpplague: you zip up elinux.org for me yet? |
| 14:11.38 | prpplague | wmat: not yet, i've been trying to contact timr about it |
| 14:11.48 | lkm` | prpplague: hi, do you know, when i mapp some virtual address to physical, how can i read word from virtual ? |
| 14:11.52 | prpplague | wmat: since he's been getting things ready to move, he's closed off my access |
| 14:11.53 | lkm` | prpplague: using inw ? |
| 14:12.15 | wmat | prpplague: ok, keep me posted |
| 14:12.28 | wmat | I'm still working on the celf content right now anyway |
| 14:12.32 | prpplague | lkm`: why not describe what you need to accomplish |
| 14:12.39 | wmat | mediawiki is already annoying me |
| 14:12.46 | prpplague | lkm`: there is probably a better way of doing what you are asking |
| 14:12.58 | prpplague | wmat: yea, i much prefer the moin wiki |
| 14:13.30 | wmat | i'd prefer a CMS actually, I'm not sure a wiki is the best solution; but time will tell i guess |
| 14:18.05 | lkm` | prpplague: i try to bring up my ethernet, so i try to find out where is the problem. Now i'm map 1MB of firtual address space to CS3 and just curious if i must use inw to read from that address |
| 14:18.47 | prpplague | lkm`: why do you have to do a virtual memory space? |
| 14:19.13 | lkm` | prpplague: because cs89x0 driver use such :) |
| 14:21.02 | prpplague | lkm`: what problem are you having with your cs8900 driver? |
| 14:21.15 | prpplague | lkm`: this the littlechips board? |
| 14:21.46 | lkm` | prpplague: no, little chip board has eth on cs1, my is on cs 3 |
| 14:22.10 | prpplague | lkm`: so what problems are you seeing? |
| 14:22.26 | lkm` | prpplague: and trying to read chip base address + 0x300 retuns me every time different result. |
| 14:22.55 | prpplague | lkm`: you using devmem2 to check it? |
| 14:23.54 | lkm` | prpplague: no |
| 14:24.12 | prpplague | lkm`: you need to grab a copy of devmem2 to use |
| 14:24.35 | prpplague | lkm`: thats the best method for check physcial memory locations for devices you are debugging |
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| 14:25.36 | *** mode/#edev [+o GPSFan] by ChanServ |
| 14:25.36 | prpplague | lkm`: http://lartmaker.nl/lartware/port/devmem2.c |
| 14:25.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: greeeeeetings |
| 14:25.59 | GPSFan | prpplague: morning.. |
| 14:27.10 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:27.29 | isenbeck | chouimat, GPSFan mornin' |
| 14:27.36 | prpplague | chouimat: hey frenchy |
| 14:28.12 | chouimat | prpplague: hi |
| 14:28.12 | GPSFan | prpplague: was it you that saie you missed snow? |
| 14:28.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
| 14:28.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: got some to spare? hehe |
| 14:29.29 | GPSFan | well we got almost 2 feet, and todat there is a heat wave of 12F (up from -5F yesterday) |
| 14:30.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe |
| 14:30.19 | GPSFan | prpplague: spare time? maybe a bit in another 2 weeks.. |
| 14:30.22 | prpplague | GPSFan: fun fun |
| 14:30.23 | chouimat | prpplague: don't worry with the screwed up weather we have this winter you will have some left in Dallas :) |
| 14:31.13 | GPSFan | i could do with a bit of "global warming" about now.. |
| 14:31.21 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:36.43 | prpplague | lordy lordy lordy, please let me make thru monday without going totally out of my mind |
| 14:41.22 | isenbeck | good luck with that one |
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| 15:12.47 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 15:12.58 | prpplague | wheeee |
| 15:13.28 | prpplague | dropping like a rock |
| 15:25.09 | prpplague | hehe, someone dumped 46000 shares |
| 15:25.09 | Crofton | yay |
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| 15:28.26 | sjhill | Jordan! |
| 15:28.51 | prpplague | aka crack-baby |
| 15:28.56 | CosmicPenguin | hey all |
| 15:28.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: good morning |
| 15:29.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fb+geode |
| 15:29.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you did a bunch of that code right? |
| 15:29.33 | chouimat | hi sjhill |
| 15:29.40 | CosmicPenguin | two great tastes that go well togther |
| 15:30.07 | sjhill | hey chouimat |
| 15:30.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: our new forklift terminal is using a geode, but they are having problems with the fb |
| 15:30.43 | chouimat | sjhill: some one gave me a nice O2 but since it has a R10K I can't do much with it :( |
| 15:31.11 | sjhill | ah, yeah Linux doesn't work to well on that |
| 15:31.15 | sjhill | what's the processor speed? |
| 15:31.18 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 15:31.27 | prpplague | still dropping |
| 15:31.31 | chouimat | sjhill: 150 or 175 ... |
| 15:31.35 | sjhill | k |
| 15:31.43 | sjhill | i was just curious |
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| 15:32.13 | chouimat | sjhill: I'm currently reading the books ... about the assembly |
| 15:32.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you're pulling my leg, right? |
| 15:32.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, no, why? |
| 15:33.21 | CosmicPenguin | its probably using an sc1200? |
| 15:33.52 | sjhill | smbd = 4520512 bytes |
| 15:33.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not exactly sure, i'm not in on this particular project |
| 15:33.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but i can find out |
| 15:33.59 | sjhill | nmbd = 1489956 bytes |
| 15:34.14 | sjhill | Samba consumes half of my root filesystem |
| 15:34.21 | sjhill | unreal |
| 15:35.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: gx533 |
| 15:35.45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah - I'm am very familiar with that framebuffer |
| 15:35.50 | CosmicPenguin | In fact, one night..... |
| 15:36.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seems they are having trouble when switching back and forth between console and X |
| 15:36.56 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... yeah, thats a problem |
| 15:37.05 | CosmicPenguin | can I ask a crazy question? |
| 15:37.10 | prpplague | sure |
| 15:37.14 | CosmicPenguin | _Why_ are they switching back and forth from console to X? |
| 15:37.34 | prpplague | different modes of operation |
| 15:37.38 | sjhill | Sony has discontinued it's game magazine |
| 15:37.42 | CosmicPenguin | ah |
| 15:37.42 | CosmicPenguin | ok |
| 15:37.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is that a known problem? |
| 15:38.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah - X sucks |
| 15:38.09 | prpplague | i see |
| 15:38.17 | CosmicPenguin | No - the thing is, that the handoff between X and the FB can get hairy |
| 15:38.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: any work arounds? |
| 15:38.43 | CosmicPenguin | From a kernel framebuffer standpoint, X is like a 10 thousand pound gorillia |
| 15:38.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe yea |
| 15:39.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well - they have to be using the int10 module - thats almost mandatory at this point until I get the X driver working better |
| 15:39.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but you might want to ask yourself - why are they using the kernel framebuffer in the first place? |
| 15:39.30 | CosmicPenguin | Are they using a vesa resolution? |
| 15:40.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: like i said, i'm not in on this particular project, would you mind terribly to email my coworker on this? |
| 15:40.05 | CosmicPenguin | not at all |
| 15:40.10 | CosmicPenguin | make the intromductions |
| 15:48.23 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 15:48.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: e-mail sent |
| 15:48.39 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 15:48.40 | prpplague | dumping stock like crazy |
| 15:48.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks |
| 15:48.54 | jbevren | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061201/ap_on_hi_te/storing_e_mails |
| 15:48.59 | jbevren | welcome to the facist states of america |
| 15:49.09 | chouimat | jbevren: :) |
| 15:49.29 | prpplague | jbevren: hey, that guy time_cop, i didn't follow all of what was going on, but was he being a troll ? |
| 15:49.45 | jbevren | prpplague: He was trollign our favorite troll |
| 15:49.48 | jbevren | shrug |
| 15:49.51 | jbevren | imho he's cool |
| 15:49.55 | jbevren | but I dont know him well |
| 15:49.57 | CosmicPenguin | so two wrongs made a right? |
| 15:50.03 | chouimat | jbevren: trolling fly* ? |
| 15:50.16 | jbevren | A little trolling between friends? heh |
| 15:50.31 | Crofton | fly == fishhead? |
| 15:50.38 | prpplague | not sure what happened to the banlist |
| 15:50.39 | chouimat | Crofton: yup |
| 15:50.49 | prpplague | when i checked it this morning it was empty |
| 15:50.51 | Crofton | who is he? |
| 15:51.00 | Crofton | every now an dthen he seems rational |
| 15:51.03 | jbevren | Crofton: A guy with a social disorder |
| 15:51.11 | jbevren | (really. No joke) |
| 15:51.25 | prpplague | Crofton: banned on just about every channel on every irc network |
| 15:51.34 | chouimat | jbevren: a little one imho ;) |
| 15:51.37 | Crofton | ever hear off Jesus monroy? |
| 15:52.24 | prpplague | jeeze, someone dumped 21000 shares at one time |
| 15:52.24 | chouimat | nope |
| 15:52.37 | chouimat | prpplague: having fun ? |
| 15:52.47 | prpplague | chouimat: yea |
| 15:52.55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the thing about that is - somebody is buying those shares |
| 15:53.00 | prpplague | chouimat: its taking my mind off the monday interview stuff |
| 15:53.02 | CosmicPenguin | So what does that mean? |
| 15:53.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed, someone is buying up stock, and control of the company |
| 15:53.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its also could be sco management selling them off and m$ flunkies buying it |
| 15:53.48 | CosmicPenguin | there's not nearly ehough stock out there to take over the company, is there? |
| 15:53.58 | CosmicPenguin | isn't most of that toilet paper held by the insiders? |
| 15:54.00 | Crofton | http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2001-01/0540.html |
| 15:54.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, after all of the baystar stuff, there is now |
| 15:54.23 | Crofton | should we buy some? |
| 15:56.40 | prpplague | man they dumping like crazy, total volume is at 176k now |
| 15:56.50 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 15:57.45 | prpplague | someone just dump 100k shares |
| 15:57.50 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 15:57.59 | chouimat | Crofton: sound like a nice guy ;) |
| 15:58.17 | Crofton | he had some wacked newsletters |
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| 15:59.53 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 16:00.02 | Crofton | wow |
| 16:00.04 | chouimat | wooohooo |
| 16:00.34 | Crofton | http://finance.google.com/finance?q=SCOX |
| 16:01.33 | prpplague | i think they are getting into automated sell offs now |
| 16:01.46 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 16:01.59 | Crofton | holding |
| 16:02.07 | prpplague | yea, but lots of volume |
| 16:02.18 | prpplague | thats 4 times the normal volume |
| 16:02.22 | Crofton | yeah |
| 16:02.36 | Crofton | ay idea what the actual value of the company is? |
| 16:03.28 | prpplague | Crofton: well you have a marketcap value, at 28.4 million |
| 16:03.37 | Crofton | yeah |
| 16:03.39 | prpplague | Crofton: but thats likely to be not very accurate, |
| 16:03.56 | Crofton | likely more like 20 atm |
| 16:03.57 | CosmicPenguin | The book value might be somewhere in that area though |
| 16:04.01 | CosmicPenguin | 28 million is nothing |
| 16:04.04 | prpplague | Crofton: as there are still the novell owed fees, and the possibilty of legal fees due in the ibm case |
| 16:04.44 | Crofton | <acormier> what is sco? |
| 16:04.44 | Crofton | <acormier> i bet obot could tell me |
| 16:04.48 | Crofton | kids today ..... |
| 16:04.53 | chouimat | haha |
| 16:05.38 | chouimat | Crofton: they don't read and they don't teach history anymore ;) |
| 16:06.18 | prpplague | Crofton: price seems to have rebounded a little, |
| 16:06.26 | Crofton | <obot> Somebody said SCO is an IP litigation company not a new product company, Phelps_Lab |
| 16:06.30 | prpplague | Crofton: but the volume of trading is still going up |
| 16:06.37 | Crofton | the bot was also told to ignore him :) |
| 16:06.41 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 16:06.56 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:07.01 | jbevren | $1.38 |
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| 16:09.11 | Crofton | google looks like it updates the market cap dynamically |
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| 16:09.45 | prpplague | Crofton: yea, i noticed that as well |
| 16:09.47 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 16:10.01 | prpplague | Crofton: i suspect there is about to be another round of sell offs in a few minutes |
| 16:10.09 | Crofton | why? |
| 16:10.16 | chouimat | Crofton: in which channel this come from? |
| 16:10.29 | Crofton | #ossie, out local channel |
| 16:10.33 | Crofton | for SDR work |
| 16:10.50 | prpplague | Crofton: looking at the bid price vs. the asking price |
| 16:11.00 | prpplague | Crofton: asking price is slowly droping |
| 16:11.45 | jbevren | the value graph reminds me of my favorite childhood sledding hill |
| 16:11.53 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
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| 16:12.25 | prpplague | mallum: greetings |
| 16:12.35 | chouimat | Crofton: k |
| 16:12.39 | mallum | hey prpplague |
| 16:13.04 | prpplague | mallum: how's the future PotA fan doing these days? |
| 16:13.07 | Crofton | chouimat, mostly grad students, occasionally others stop by |
| 16:13.39 | prpplague | mallum: btw, we're watching the scox price drop like a rock today, hehe |
| 16:13.40 | mallum | prpplague: good good though dont get so much nowadays |
| 16:14.14 | prpplague | lovely |
| 16:15.33 | prpplague | mallum: i see the rumors of a new nokia device are out floating again |
| 16:15.50 | Crofton | hmm |
| 16:15.59 | Crofton | what does this one do? |
| 16:16.11 | prpplague | Crofton: 770 rev 2 |
| 16:16.16 | prpplague | Crofton: or the rummor has it |
| 16:16.20 | Crofton | cool |
| 16:16.24 | mallum | prpplague: I know nothing |
| 16:17.39 | prpplague | mallum: hehe, i wasn't asking for confirmation if thats what you were thinking, just hope'n it means some work for ya |
| 16:18.01 | Crofton | hmm scox looks stable for a bit |
| 16:18.05 | mallum | prpplague: :) |
| 16:18.11 | prpplague | Crofton: yea |
| 16:18.19 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: have you played with sugar recently? |
| 16:18.27 | Crofton | I'm peaking into the "future" |
| 16:19.04 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe, i'm still betting it will be below $1 at close |
| 16:19.19 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: no, I have heard it rumoured I may get such a device to play with it on soon. I *really* hope such rumours are true ;) |
| 16:19.19 | Crofton | we should try shorting some |
| 16:19.26 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I'm still waiting too |
| 16:20.14 | prpplague | Crofton: "when you play with @#$@#, you should expect some get on your hands" |
| 16:20.19 | jbevren | I have a pepperpad heh |
| 16:20.24 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:20.30 | jbevren | need to get the serial port wired up though |
| 16:20.33 | jbevren | so I can change the kernel etc |
| 16:20.53 | jbevren | the only real shame is that it has no X11 acceleration (besides Xvideo) |
| 16:20.54 | CosmicPenguin | too bad those lazy bastards at amd haven't released a LX framebuffer driver yet |
| 16:21.06 | CosmicPenguin | jbevren: it has X11 acceleration |
| 16:21.08 | CosmicPenguin | trust me |
| 16:21.10 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: for alchemy or ? |
| 16:21.14 | jbevren | the pepper pad? |
| 16:21.16 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 16:21.21 | jbevren | no it doesnt |
| 16:21.23 | jbevren | it uses kdrive |
| 16:21.35 | jbevren | the arm-based one, not the geode one |
| 16:21.43 | CosmicPenguin | ahh |
| 16:21.47 | CosmicPenguin | the crappy one then |
| 16:21.50 | jbevren | nod |
| 16:21.56 | jbevren | the was-on-sale-for-way-cheap one |
| 16:21.57 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:22.01 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:22.05 | jbevren | it plays mpeg4 like there's no tomorrow |
| 16:22.07 | CosmicPenguin | my bad |
| 16:22.10 | jbevren | as long as you mplayer >/dev/null |
| 16:22.13 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:22.27 | jbevren | they dont have a fbcon driver though |
| 16:22.27 | jbevren | sux |
| 16:22.50 | jbevren | it has bluetooth, but only supports kbd/mice :X |
| 16:22.51 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:23.01 | prpplague | Crofton: back down to 1.30 |
| 16:23.07 | jbevren | sux to be scox |
| 16:23.22 | jbevren | I think investors should sue for misrepresentation hehe |
| 16:23.22 | Crofton | prpplague, 20 minutes in the future 1.25 |
| 16:23.38 | prpplague | Crofton: clock ticking |
| 16:23.59 | prpplague | Crofton: 11:43am est |
| 16:24.36 | Crofton | you are looking at delayed quotes :) |
| 16:25.07 | prpplague | Crofton: oh, you have real-time stuff? |
| 16:25.26 | CosmicPenguin | heh - etrade, my man |
| 16:25.34 | Crofton | fidelity :) |
| 16:26.04 | Crofton | I can get real time quotes |
| 16:26.10 | Crofton | normally I do not bother looking |
| 16:26.48 | Crofton | just be careful if we start offering you bets about the closing price :) |
| 16:29.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:30.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've been over my paperwork for monday about 100 times already this morning |
| 16:31.22 | Crofton | including the prostitution records? |
| 16:31.24 | CosmicPenguin | you'll do awesome |
| 16:31.55 | prpplague | Crofton: yea, i included my tax returns where claimed the profits as "tips" |
| 16:32.16 | Crofton | You need to be honest with them |
| 16:32.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:32.37 | Crofton | Be sure to go over the colours of the rooms in your house |
| 16:32.57 | prpplague | Crofton: oh? |
| 16:33.34 | prpplague | Crofton: thats one i had not heard anyone say they had been asked |
| 16:33.59 | Crofton | A friend of mine heard an interview where it was asked |
| 16:34.07 | Crofton | apparently the interviewer was suspicious |
| 16:34.18 | Crofton | my friend and his wife's interview must have been strange |
| 16:34.27 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 16:34.30 | Crofton | they where married but not living together :) |
| 16:34.47 | prpplague | Crofton: oh |
| 16:35.22 | prpplague | man thats alot of volume for scox |
| 16:35.41 | Crofton | he was in grad school here, she was working in Birmingham |
| 16:35.51 | Crofton | or going to school or something |
| 16:35.57 | jbevren | prpplague: man, I thought sco was going to be a great investment |
| 16:35.59 | jbevren | (teehee) |
| 16:36.01 | philv | People are duming scox |
| 16:36.04 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 16:36.19 | prpplague | Crofton: ahh, yea that could look a little funny |
| 16:36.36 | Crofton | yeah :) |
| 16:36.45 | Crofton | apparently they told a good enough story |
| 16:36.53 | Crofton | now he is in DC and she is in raleigh |
| 16:37.03 | prpplague | Crofton: and still married? |
| 16:37.04 | Crofton | They are over educated |
| 16:37.08 | Crofton | yes |
| 16:37.17 | prpplague | but don't live together? |
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| 16:37.30 | Crofton | He was going to quit, but found out he had to wait until janury to get vested in his current 401K |
| 16:37.33 | prpplague | convience marriage? |
| 16:37.35 | Crofton | no |
| 16:37.43 | prpplague | Crofton: oh |
| 16:37.44 | Crofton | a very inconvenient one :) |
| 16:38.12 | Crofton | He has a PHD in EE, focus on antennas |
| 16:38.44 | prpplague | Crofton: ahh interesting |
| 16:38.57 | prpplague | Crofton: i wish i could have gotten more college |
| 16:39.22 | prpplague | Crofton: i like the academic life, but have to pay bills |
| 16:39.34 | jbevren | agreed |
| 16:41.19 | chouimat | ok I must be sick ... I want some KFC for lunch ... |
| 16:41.34 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 16:41.47 | chouimat | prpplague: or pregnant ;) |
| 16:41.55 | prpplague | chouimat: only two chain restaurants on the island, KFC is one of them |
| 16:42.11 | prpplague | chouimat: and they are on every corner |
| 16:42.12 | Crofton | Hmmm, a friend of mine does food safety for KFC |
| 16:42.22 | jbevren | prpplague: and the other is mcdonalds? |
| 16:42.23 | Crofton | I wonder if she has inspected those |
| 16:42.31 | prpplague | Crofton: he;d have a nervous breakdown if he inspected these |
| 16:42.54 | Crofton | She |
| 16:43.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: looks like your boy figured out his problem |
| 16:43.09 | prpplague | jbevren: no the other is a trinidadian chain called "chefette" |
| 16:43.39 | prpplague | jbevren: mcdonalds was here for just one year, and then lost their license, they didn't want to comply with the local work regulations |
| 16:43.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, he just messaged me |
| 16:44.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seems the lcd he was using doesn't like vga resolution |
| 16:44.38 | CosmicPenguin | to be expected |
| 16:45.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm trying to stay out of it |
| 16:45.15 | CosmicPenguin | nod |
| 16:46.59 | prpplague | Crofton: scox still stable around $1.27 ? |
| 16:50.23 | chouimat | prpplague: 1.28 |
| 16:50.25 | Crofton | yeah |
| 16:50.34 | chouimat | Vol: 504,837.00 |
| 16:50.55 | Crofton | how many shares are there |
| 16:51.04 | prpplague | by my calculations, scox has lost a little over $15million in value since opening bell this morning |
| 16:51.28 | philv | ~quote NT.TO |
| 16:51.44 | philv | Grumble |
| 16:51.51 | philv | I woke up this morning and saw the price per share and danced a bit |
| 16:51.59 | chouimat | ~quote scox |
| 16:52.00 | philv | Then I realized that I actually now own only 25 shares rather than 250 |
| 16:52.03 | philv | :< |
| 16:52.20 | chouimat | philv: :( |
| 16:52.49 | philv | Hopefully they can hyperinflate the value per share again |
| 16:52.59 | chouimat | philv: haha |
| 16:53.10 | philv | So I can cash out |
| 16:53.59 | chouimat | philv: wait a little bit and you will have enough for a PS3 ;) |
| 16:54.13 | philv | Haha |
| 16:54.23 | philv | If it goes up to 100 dollars per share... |
| 16:54.41 | chouimat | philv: hehe |
| 16:54.50 | philv | (in technicolour) |
| 16:54.58 | prpplague | Crofton: based on past sell off's i doubt there will be much more change until about 45 minutes till the closing bell |
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| 17:46.42 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 17:47.05 | prpplague | go baby go |
| 17:47.15 | Crofton | burn baby burn! |
| 17:47.30 | CosmicPenguin | much pain in Provo today |
| 17:47.57 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, I feel pain every time I'm just driving through |
| 17:51.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: over the scox stock? |
| 17:51.34 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 18:00.45 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 18:05.02 | wmat | oh, it's on a comeback ;) |
| 18:05.16 | prpplague | close to a million shares trading hands today |
| 18:05.57 | prpplague | i sure hope there is some SEC investigation on SCOX |
| 18:09.26 | prpplague | Crofton: three more hours |
| 18:09.39 | prpplague | Crofton: think it will drop below $1 by close? |
| 18:10.10 | prpplague | Crofton: it looks like a pretty steady sell off to me (but then i'm not expert) |
| 18:10.43 | Crofton | yeah |
| 18:10.46 | Crofton | we can only hope |
| 18:10.59 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 18:11.18 | prpplague | i wonder how long they have to be below $1 to be delisted |
| 18:12.21 | prpplague | Crofton: i wonder if the stock hits a certain point, that some of their loans and such will be called in |
| 18:13.09 | philv | I think 50 cents or something |
| 18:13.20 | philv | Depends on the exchange I suppose |
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| 18:16.17 | CosmicPenguin | my perl skills are weakening |
| 18:16.24 | CosmicPenguin | they have to be a year below $1 |
| 18:16.29 | CosmicPenguin | to be considered |
| 18:16.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really? |
| 18:16.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i would have thought it alot less than that |
| 18:16.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: more like 3 months |
| 18:17.14 | CosmicPenguin | I'm pretty sure its a year - SGI just went through that |
| 18:17.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 18:17.53 | philv | One month for delist from NASDAQ |
| 18:17.59 | prpplague | need to add a "review counter" hehe |
| 18:18.02 | philv | One month below a dollar -> delist NASDAQ |
| 18:18.04 | CosmicPenguin | one month under a dollar? |
| 18:18.06 | CosmicPenguin | please |
| 18:19.03 | CosmicPenguin | oh - heh |
| 18:19.05 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, he's right |
| 18:19.38 | CosmicPenguin | but there's a 3 month grace period following the inital month |
| 18:19.54 | CosmicPenguin | and if they beat a dollar for 10 consequitive days within that grace period then they are good |
| 18:20.28 | CosmicPenguin | actually - the grace period was extended to 180 days if the company meets certain criteria |
| 18:20.34 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.perkinscoie.com/content/ren/updates/corp/delisting.htm |
| 18:21.09 | prpplague | interesting |
| 18:21.38 | prpplague | http://www.investopedia.com/articles/02/032002.asp |
| 18:22.23 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 18:22.37 | prpplague | first time in 5 years that a million shares have traded |
| 18:24.08 | prpplague | oops wrong, just 2 years |
| 18:24.19 | prpplague | 1 million were traded in july of 2004 |
| 18:25.00 | prpplague | in august of 2001 scox was trading for $140 a share |
| 18:29.55 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 18:37.05 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 18:37.32 | Crofton | We should change the topic to "SCOX deathwatch" |
| 18:37.40 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:39.08 | chouimat | lol |
| 18:40.07 | prpplague | hehe - http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/news/stories/_11252006__MomBiker.html |
| 18:40.18 | prpplague | one of the roughest bars in east texas |
| 18:40.37 | chouimat | prpplague: thanks ... I won't go there then :) |
| 18:40.42 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 18:40.56 | prpplague | chouimat: did you read the page? |
| 18:41.20 | chouimat | prpplague: still waiting for it ... I have a couple of torrent downloading so my connection is a little slow |
| 18:42.02 | prpplague | chouimat: oh |
| 18:43.18 | CosmicPenguin | I hate web stuff |
| 18:43.23 | CosmicPenguin | I hate it, hate it, hate it |
| 18:43.44 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:48.01 | chouimat | prpplague: interesting article |
| 18:49.39 | prpplague | chouimat: yea |
| 18:50.58 | prpplague | chouimat: funniest thing, alot of the people that hang out at that bar are sooo rough, but when it comes to stuff like toys for xmas, they are the first ones stepping up to help |
| 18:52.25 | chouimat | prpplague: ouch ... |
| 18:52.47 | chouimat | yay ... freezing rain .... |
| 18:53.49 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe the whole place looks like 10 or 15 of those wooden garden sheds put together, hehe |
| 18:57.09 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
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| 19:03.31 | prpplague | Crofton: approaching record volume |
| 19:03.46 | prpplague | Crofton: last time there was this much trading was back in 200 |
| 19:04.10 | prpplague | 2000 |
| 19:04.10 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 19:04.38 | prpplague | Crofton: 70,000 shares just dumped |
| 19:04.44 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 19:05.07 | Crofton | The question is: "Who is buying?" |
| 19:05.14 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:05.24 | prpplague | and the price seems to be going up |
| 19:08.11 | prpplague | Crofton: i think its gone as low as its going to go today |
| 19:08.24 | prpplague | Crofton: somewhere between 1.18 and 1.25 for close |
| 19:09.47 | prpplague | man look at the volume, another 30k shares |
| 19:14.33 | prpplague | Crofton: http://www.forbes.com/markets/2006/12/01/sco-linux-ibm-markets-equity-cx_sr_1201markets03.html |
| 19:14.37 | prpplague | Crofton: just posted |
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| 19:48.13 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 19:48.30 | prpplague | another 1.5 hours |
| 19:51.38 | prpplague | Crofton: wow wonder if it will break 2million trades today |
| 19:51.58 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 19:52.24 | Crofton | slowing down some |
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| 20:09.53 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 20:10.43 | prpplague | Crofton: really looks to have stabilized for the day |
| 20:11.09 | Crofton | so sad |
| 20:12.43 | prpplague | Crofton: i was sure looking forward to going home after seeing that $0.99 mark |
| 20:13.07 | CosmicPenguin | heh - you know its probably going to rebound |
| 20:13.17 | CosmicPenguin | the fate of SCO won't be decided in the market |
| 20:13.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: true, but its fun to watch |
| 20:51.04 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 21:11.46 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 21:21.27 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 21:21.46 | Crofton | nope, over $1 and under 2 million volume |
| 22:13.36 | T0mW | tornado coming |
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