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| 01:33.49 | antics | can i assign static addresses based on MAC address using udhcp? |
| 01:34.07 | antics | i don't see a way in the docs but hopefully i just missed it |
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| 14:53.35 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:41.22 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 15:47.25 | T0mW | antics, you can associate MAC --> IP via arp. |
| 15:47.51 | T0mW | antics: 'man arp' |
| 15:48.32 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 15:49.28 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 15:49.41 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:50.13 | prpplague | well someone just sold 300,000 shares |
| 15:50.23 | prpplague | that means someone had to purchase it |
| 15:50.30 | T0mW | prpplague: somebody prolly wants the office furniture? |
| 15:50.33 | CosmicPenguin | Those 409,064 shares just didn't go to /dev/null |
| 15:51.07 | agaffney | they've essentially already lost |
| 15:51.12 | agaffney | to IBM |
| 15:51.19 | prpplague | agaffney: i guess someone who might think they still can hedge the stock value |
| 15:51.19 | CosmicPenguin | There's money to be made there for day traders and such |
| 15:51.27 | T0mW | agaffney: they prolly want some asset of the company, e.g. buildings, IP, etc. |
| 15:51.31 | agaffney | heh |
| 15:51.38 | CosmicPenguin | if you have 30,000 shares and it goes up .03 cents |
| 15:51.55 | T0mW | yeah, like that is going to happen soon |
| 15:52.14 | CosmicPenguin | There are lots of folks who make a living off of penny stocks |
| 15:52.19 | T0mW | trouble is, the stock may bump up a few cents, but then who do you sell it to? |
| 15:52.21 | prpplague | T0mW: well i has been swinging wildly during the day |
| 15:52.22 | agaffney | CosmicPenguin: then you make $9? :P |
| 15:52.36 | prpplague | lordy lordy lordy |
| 15:52.42 | T0mW | prpplague: beating your board(s) again, have you? |
| 15:52.52 | chouimat | prpplague: http://www.mantex.co.uk/samples/spell.htm |
| 15:53.13 | agaffney | heh |
| 15:53.14 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 15:53.18 | CosmicPenguin | I won't nmind making 900 bucks today |
| 15:53.18 | chouimat | T0mW: hehe |
| 15:53.36 | prpplague | T0mW: wish could, i'm so stressed about getting everything organized for this move |
| 15:53.37 | agaffney | CosmicPenguin: ok, so I assume you mean .03 dollars instead of .03 cents :P |
| 15:53.44 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:53.52 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - probably |
| 15:53.59 | agaffney | since the latter is only $9 on 30,000 shares :) |
| 15:54.03 | T0mW | prpplague: I paid someone $450 to show up with a box truck and a few guys, then they wiped my basement clean. Everything is now gone: webpals, tuxscreens, old computers, radio parts, the works. |
| 15:54.04 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 15:54.18 | prpplague | T0mW: what?????? |
| 15:54.21 | prpplague | T0mW: why? |
| 15:54.35 | T0mW | prpplague: I got tired of living in a salavage yard. |
| 15:54.35 | agaffney | T0mW: pfft, you could have given that stuff to us! :P |
| 15:54.50 | agaffney | we would have gladly taken it off your hands |
| 15:54.56 | chouimat | ya!! I would have take a tuxscreen |
| 15:54.58 | T0mW | too late, sorry. It got to be too much. |
| 15:55.30 | T0mW | chouimat: I did keep one, the 10Gig drive model + 64Meg DRAM. |
| 15:55.35 | chouimat | hehe |
| 15:55.48 | T0mW | I just couldn't part with that one. |
| 15:56.02 | chouimat | T0mW: :) |
| 15:56.07 | T0mW | Oh, and, I kept all the IR keyboards, heh |
| 15:56.33 | CosmicPenguin | stupid X |
| 15:56.41 | T0mW | anyone notice that lirc is shakey on the 2.6.17 kernel? |
| 15:57.36 | T0mW | the IR stuff was rock solid on the 2.6.11 kernel, on 2.6.17 it is really intermittant. |
| 15:59.38 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: heh, when people talk about how stable their linux box is, they are silently mentioning X as the exception. |
| 15:59.57 | CosmicPenguin | I'm currently re-writing the geode driver |
| 15:59.58 | CosmicPenguin | yay! |
| 16:00.50 | T0mW | chouimat: what happened to that place you had with the Pakistanis downstairs? Did they move or you did? |
| 16:01.15 | chouimat | they moved ... and it's -12C outside |
| 16:01.32 | T0mW | chouimat: maybe you should have followed them, heehee |
| 16:02.01 | CosmicPenguin | mmm... I could go for some Pakistani food |
| 16:02.28 | chouimat | T0mW: I just put the heat lower for the night ... I didn't expected the weather to be so low last night ... at least it's not -30C |
| 16:03.53 | CosmicPenguin | just say no to // line comments |
| 16:04.08 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: they are useful ... |
| 16:04.12 | CosmicPenguin | no - they aren't |
| 16:04.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: except for when you a debugging |
| 16:04.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i prefer to use // when commenting out stuff for testing |
| 16:04.56 | CosmicPenguin | Why not use VisualStudio while you're at it" |
| 16:04.59 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 16:05.07 | CosmicPenguin | Hold on - I'll get you the install DVD |
| 16:05.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 16:05.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you don't even agree with using // in debugging ? |
| 16:06.05 | chouimat | prpplague: // are C++ not C comment ... |
| 16:06.14 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 16:06.47 | philv | c is the only way to comment ;) |
| 16:07.01 | philv | That or |
| 16:07.06 | philv | -- this is a comment |
| 16:07.07 | philv | ;) |
| 16:07.13 | prpplague | hmm |
| 16:08.05 | prpplague | i just find having to do /* */ for a single line to be comment out for testing to be somewhat burdensome |
| 16:08.39 | chouimat | prpplague: I agree with this too |
| 16:08.48 | prpplague | i never leave them in production code |
| 16:09.05 | CosmicPenguin | Whats wrong with #if 0? |
| 16:09.57 | prpplague | 6 chars vs. 2 |
| 16:10.11 | philv | #if 0 |
| 16:10.14 | philv | #endif |
| 16:10.21 | philv | Actually, will that do for only one line? |
| 16:10.34 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 16:11.08 | CosmicPenguin | You guys can do whatever - /me sticks with /* */ |
| 16:12.37 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
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| 16:13.47 | philv | -- I've used a lot today... I never thought I'd actually ever use Ada outside of my own toy projects |
| 16:14.42 | chouimat | philv: ada is nice ... when you reread the code after 10 years ... can't say the same for C/C++ |
| 16:15.34 | philv | Hehe |
| 16:16.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: primary reason is that // is not valid with plain old C ? |
| 16:16.08 | philv | I think it's quite a nice language, yeah. Most purists think it has a vile syntax... but most purists prefer languages that will never be implementable in hardware |
| 16:16.41 | chouimat | philv: I hate SML/NJ and language like it |
| 16:17.10 | philv | Hahah ML |
| 16:17.21 | philv | Ruby is another one of those languages... |
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| 16:44.05 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 16:44.15 | Crofton | yay! |
| 17:14.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you catch that in #olpc? |
| 17:15.38 | jbevren | at what point does scox get delisted |
| 17:15.49 | jbevren | google's finance page shows it at <$1.00 |
| 17:16.16 | jbevren | http://finance.google.com/finance?q=SCOX |
| 17:16.36 | CosmicPenguin | it was a month, right, philv ? |
| 17:16.44 | philv | Yessir |
| 17:16.54 | CosmicPenguin | its a long process - google nasdaq delisting for details |
| 17:17.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, about keventd |
| 17:17.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats key |
| 17:18.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i suspect thats the same issue with the ralink and zydas drivers as well |
| 17:18.54 | CosmicPenguin | something to look into |
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| 17:44.10 | surfbuddy | what does Two On chip oscillator with Two Plls means ?? |
| 17:44.32 | surfbuddy | and besides that Enhanced Clock Generator ? |
| 17:46.10 | prpplague | surfbuddy: what does on board stability and control mean?? |
| 17:46.38 | prpplague | surfbuddy: well it sure depends what the hell you are talking about in the first place, airplane, car, train , space craft? |
| 17:46.49 | prpplague | s/place/plane |
| 17:47.13 | surfbuddy | prpplague, I think the PLLs and Clock Generator both have the same functionlaity |
| 17:47.26 | surfbuddy | functionality* |
| 17:47.32 | prpplague | surfbuddy: what device are we refering to ? |
| 17:47.59 | prpplague | surfbuddy: phased lock loop is not the really the same as a clock generator |
| 17:48.01 | surfbuddy | prpplague, a microcontrolle |
| 17:48.16 | prpplague | surfbuddy: what controller? |
| 17:48.50 | surfbuddy | prpplague, a general.. not specific...i dont rem where I saw |
| 17:49.16 | prpplague | surfbuddy: an oscillator moves at a specific frequency |
| 17:49.33 | prpplague | surfbuddy: you can divide that frequency down |
| 17:49.44 | surfbuddy | prpplague, ya..and PLLs ? |
| 17:49.50 | prpplague | surfbuddy: after dividing, whats left is provided as a PLL |
| 17:50.20 | surfbuddy | but a PLL internally has an oscillator ( for eg .. VCO ) |
| 17:50.32 | prpplague | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-locked_loop |
| 17:51.09 | surfbuddy | what i came to know from teh web..is that PLL generate synchronised signals. |
| 17:51.24 | surfbuddy | and so does a Clock Generator and an oscillator |
| 17:52.21 | prpplague | surfbuddy: difference is that a PLL gets feedback to continually match a clean signal |
| 17:53.32 | prpplague | surfbuddy: the whole purpose of using PLL over a generic clock generation circuit is that their is little variance, and due to the high frequencies is less sesiptable to rf noise |
| 17:54.05 | prpplague | surfbuddy: almost all modern microprocessors and SoC's utilized PLL's |
| 17:54.45 | surfbuddy | prpplague, so...PLL is not itself a signal generator. |
| 17:55.03 | surfbuddy | PLL has to have an input source.. ? |
| 17:55.21 | prpplague | surfbuddy: correct |
| 17:55.35 | prpplague | surfbuddy: an oscillator |
| 17:55.45 | surfbuddy | prpplague, and which signal would the input be. ? from the Clock Generator or the Oscillator ? |
| 17:55.46 | prpplague | surfbuddy: or some other source of clock generation |
| 17:56.00 | prpplague | surfbuddy: oscillator is a form of clock generation |
| 17:56.15 | prpplague | surfbuddy: you could also use something like pwm or a 555 timer |
| 17:57.12 | prpplague | surfbuddy: you are comparing what you think of a "crystal oscillator" with the base term of "oscillator" |
| 17:57.23 | surfbuddy | so..when the spec says --- 1. Enhanced Clock Generator and Power management contorller 2. Two On chip Oscillators "with" two PLLs. |
| 17:57.55 | surfbuddy | these two were under the heading for System Peripherals |
| 17:58.38 | surfbuddy | how do i interpret the spec ...? |
| 17:58.47 | prpplague | the "enhanced clock generator" is used to by taking the PLL's and then sub dividing them again for use with devices that need specific frequencies, such as sdram controller, lcd controller, rs-232 baud rate generation |
| 17:59.22 | prpplague | all of which need different clocks |
| 17:59.52 | surfbuddy | Clock Generator -> PLL -> various outputs ? |
| 18:00.22 | prpplague | main oscillator -> PLL -> Clock Generator -> various outputs |
| 18:01.29 | surfbuddy | when multiple clock signals can be achieved by 1 , why do one require two oscillators / PLL |
| 18:01.59 | prpplague | surfbuddy: can you generate every possible combination of frequencies from 12mhz that you'd need? |
| 18:02.47 | prpplague | surfbuddy: key word is division |
| 18:03.01 | surfbuddy | why not ? the clock generator i think is just a RC circcuit .. or in digital may be a opamp |
| 18:03.11 | prpplague | surfbuddy: doesn't work that way |
| 18:03.41 | prpplague | surfbuddy: you simply can not get all of the possibly need frequencies with any degree of acuracy with just one frequency |
| 18:04.57 | surfbuddy | u mean with one Oscillator .. running at a specific frequency ? |
| 18:04.57 | prpplague | surfbuddy: correct |
| 18:06.23 | prpplague | surfbuddy: if you are willing to compromise on some frequencies and use lower freqs that max, then you probably can get away with it |
| 18:06.50 | prpplague | surfbuddy: but simple fact is that if you want to have lots of peripheral devices, you probably going to need two oscillators |
| 18:07.23 | prpplague | surfbuddy: most common these days is one for the system, the other for usb2.0 |
| 18:07.53 | surfbuddy | prpplague, clears the picture now. |
| 18:08.09 | prpplague | surfbuddy: other use one for low speed devices, such as rs-232 and keyboard access, and another for the system with sdram and lcd |
| 18:08.54 | prpplague | surfbuddy: the s3c2410 actually has 4 PLL's |
| 18:09.16 | prpplague | surfbuddy: that can be used with dividers to generate a wide range of frequencies |
| 18:09.24 | surfbuddy | hmm |
| 18:09.57 | surfbuddy | prpplague, but in all the cases.. the processor clock is going to remain the same.. ? |
| 18:10.12 | surfbuddy | which might as well be derived from teh clock generator |
| 18:11.06 | prpplague | surfbuddy: not nessarilly, most modern processors have clock scaling to reduce power managment |
| 18:11.38 | prpplague | surfbuddy: such as our handheld, when after 45 seconds drops from 202.8 mhz to 101.4 mhz |
| 18:12.01 | prpplague | surfbuddy: then after 2 minutes of inactivity drops to 66mhz |
| 18:12.27 | prpplague | surfbuddy: still enough to respond when needed, but definetly a big drop in power consumption |
| 18:13.05 | surfbuddy | u mean the division is equally distributed. |
| 18:13.30 | surfbuddy | i mean hte various freq generated by the generator must also drop in the same proportion |
| 18:13.50 | surfbuddy | because they are from teh same oscillator - PLL - generator |
| 18:14.01 | prpplague | surfbuddy: nope, because if you are still running an rs-232 interface, that connection still has to have the correct frequency to produce the correct baud rate |
| 18:14.45 | prpplague | remember the "generator" may contain literally tens of different outputs |
| 18:14.52 | surfbuddy | prpplague, ah..so this processor clock generated by clock generator..might be going to the power mamagement..which would further do some divisions. |
| 18:15.28 | surfbuddy | and the rest of the others.. go directly to the peripherals. |
| 18:16.11 | prpplague | surfbuddy: picture the clock generator as a water distribution center, you have one fat pipe coming in, and lots of small facet knobs going out |
| 18:16.25 | surfbuddy | ya.. that is quite clear |
| 18:16.30 | prpplague | surfbuddy: you can adjust the knobs for each of the outgoing pipes independently |
| 18:16.49 | prpplague | surfbuddy: but you still have the same amount of water coming in |
| 18:17.05 | surfbuddy | prpplague, so the PMC might be closing the knob which generates Processor clock a lil more |
| 18:17.15 | prpplague | surfbuddy: exactly |
| 18:17.26 | prpplague | surfbuddy: but not changing the knob for the rs-232 |
| 18:17.37 | surfbuddy | i mean more division.... so..it is for the programmer to decide which knob must be tweaked iwth the PMC |
| 18:17.46 | prpplague | exactly |
| 18:17.58 | surfbuddy | and also..which PLL to be used... ( if there are 4 ) |
| 18:18.08 | prpplague | surfbuddy: and your division is limited to whole number division |
| 18:18.14 | prpplague | surfbuddy: exactly |
| 18:18.25 | prpplague | surfbuddy: usually an 8 or 10 bit number |
| 18:18.53 | surfbuddy | prpplague, i think the peripheral clock must be hard wired...to the generator.. ? or this is also usually SW ? |
| 18:19.42 | prpplague | surfbuddy: some are hardwired but most like spi, i2c, rs-232, lcd, and sdram all have seperate configurations |
| 18:20.03 | prpplague | surfbuddy: for instance, the spi interface on the s2c2410 |
| 18:20.04 | surfbuddy | so..when we say.. hte processor is 200 MIPS at 180 MhZ.. is the main oscillator ...running at 180 ? |
| 18:20.22 | prpplague | surfbuddy: probably not, most are simply 12mhz, which is common |
| 18:20.47 | surfbuddy | then wehat does 180 signify ? |
| 18:21.05 | surfbuddy | what* |
| 18:21.05 | prpplague | surfbuddy: the 12mhz is feed into the PLL which then is able to generate to a base frequency that is then feed into the clock generator |
| 18:21.35 | prpplague | surfbuddy: and depending on your configuration of the clock generator, then will run at 180 mhz |
| 18:22.04 | surfbuddy | which multiplies.. it ( opamps ) ... to 180..! that means.. 180/12 = 15 |
| 18:22.14 | prpplague | surfbuddy: in the case of the s3c2410, when you power on the device the PLL and clock generator default to a 1:1:1 ration, which means that it will run at 12mhz when you power it on |
| 18:22.26 | prpplague | surfbuddy: you have to tell the generator to change to the correct freq |
| 18:25.50 | surfbuddy | do u hve any ohter input frequency..other than 12 MHz ? |
| 18:26.51 | prpplague | surfbuddy: we have another for the usb and one for the rtc |
| 18:27.54 | surfbuddy | prpplague u mean..3 Main oscillators ? |
| 18:28.02 | prpplague | surfbuddy: yes |
| 18:28.23 | surfbuddy | means..3 PLLs ? |
| 18:28.32 | prpplague | three oscillators |
| 18:28.52 | prpplague | two of the oscillators have 4 pll's each |
| 18:28.53 | surfbuddy | prpplague,yes.. but u have to stablilse the phase and freq..u need PLL for that |
| 18:28.56 | prpplague | the rtc only has one |
| 18:29.17 | surfbuddy | thats confusing.. why would a oscillator need more than 1 PLL ? |
| 18:29.51 | prpplague | surfbuddy: to generate 4 different base frequencies |
| 18:30.47 | prpplague | surfbuddy: remember what i said about the divisor usually being a 8 bit numerb |
| 18:30.58 | prpplague | surfbuddy: that means 1 thru 255 |
| 18:31.35 | prpplague | surfbuddy: if the initial input frequency is too high, you will not be able to adjust the frequency with any accuracy with just a 8 bit number |
| 18:32.03 | prpplague | surfbuddy: for instance, the max most spi devices can run at is 25mhz |
| 18:32.28 | prpplague | surfbuddy: if you have one pll with 202.8mhz, you aren't going to get an acceptable frequency dividing by 2555 |
| 18:32.29 | prpplague | 255 |
| 18:32.32 | surfbuddy | prpplague, ya but a PLL has nothing to do with step up or step down...it just transfers the oscillator freqency forward... |
| 18:32.40 | prpplague | surfbuddy: no |
| 18:32.53 | prpplague | surfbuddy: the pll can also do step up and down |
| 18:33.03 | prpplague | surfbuddy: its not just about cleaning the signal |
| 18:33.42 | prpplague | surfbuddy: the feedback portion of the PLL often contains a frequency divider |
| 18:33.55 | surfbuddy | prpplague, so... PLL do much better rounding than the SW division. |
| 18:34.23 | surfbuddy | Oscillator - Hardware Division - Software division - Peripheral |
| 18:34.24 | prpplague | surfbuddy: yes you could think of it in that way |
| 18:34.52 | prpplague | surfbuddy: but you have to remember the "hardware division" as you refer to it, may also be contrable by software |
| 18:35.08 | prpplague | surfbuddy: for instance in the s3c2410, you can control the ratio |
| 18:35.16 | prpplague | surfbuddy: 1:1:1:1 is the default |
| 18:35.29 | prpplague | surfbuddy: which means all four pll's have the same value |
| 18:35.39 | prpplague | surfbuddy: or you can do something like 1:2:4:8 |
| 18:35.53 | surfbuddy | but still..i htink it would be not division.. perhaps a potentioemeter action.. |
| 18:36.16 | prpplague | surfbuddy: its actually divided |
| 18:36.18 | surfbuddy | because..otherwise.. the clock generator could have had the same...ratio |
| 18:36.49 | prpplague | surfbuddy: no, because, you need to base the clock generation off different scales |
| 18:36.58 | prpplague | surfbuddy: this gives you accuracy |
| 18:37.14 | surfbuddy | and each PLL -> each Clock generator ? |
| 18:37.26 | prpplague | surfbuddy: single units of 12mhz / 255 is alot more accurate than 202.8mhz/255 |
| 18:37.56 | prpplague | surfbuddy: each PLL then can be chosen by a clock generator to be the base frequency |
| 18:38.15 | prpplague | surfbuddy: say i need 9600 baud, i'd choose PLL 4, and divide by 212 |
| 18:38.24 | prpplague | surfbuddy: bogus numbers but you get the idea |
| 18:39.19 | surfbuddy | so u have one of the osc with 4 PLLs.. and how many clock generators ( because these are also hardware devices ) |
| 18:39.55 | surfbuddy | or all 4 PLLs -> 1 Clock.. ? its not imp.. ( i got a broader view ) .. |
| 18:40.06 | prpplague | surfbuddy: usually just one clock generator controller |
| 18:40.33 | surfbuddy | that must be having a lot of input output pins..i bet ? |
| 18:40.50 | prpplague | surfbuddy: generally thats all integrated in the SoC |
| 18:41.42 | prpplague | surfbuddy: in most cases you just connect your external oscillators to the SoC |
| 18:41.55 | prpplague | surfbuddy: then just configure your PLL's and clock generator |
| 18:42.41 | surfbuddy | System On Chip ? |
| 18:42.57 | surfbuddy | prpplague, SoC ? |
| 18:43.35 | prpplague | surfbuddy: yea |
| 18:43.48 | surfbuddy | prpplague, why would the Oscillator has to have an input ..though.. ? |
| 18:44.03 | surfbuddy | i mean teh main oscillator.. ( in your case there are 3 ) |
| 18:45.04 | prpplague | surfbuddy: what? |
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| 18:46.12 | surfbuddy | most of the mu c i have seen have 1 Xin and 1 Xout.. |
| 18:46.34 | surfbuddy | prpplague, one of these go to the PLLs .. and the other ? |
| 18:47.17 | prpplague | surfbuddy: yea alot of small micro's have internal osciallators, but most larger devices such as arm7 and arm9 device require and external osciallator |
| 18:47.55 | surfbuddy | a external device ? ( wave generator ) |
| 18:48.13 | prpplague | surfbuddy: a crystall oscillator |
| 18:48.54 | surfbuddy | prpplague , on board crystal oscillator |
| 18:49.26 | surfbuddy | ? |
| 18:50.40 | prpplague | surfbuddy: not onboard, it is not inside the SoC, its external from the SoC |
| 18:51.59 | surfbuddy | prpplague, ya..i mean.. for example in case of ARM7..there would be SAM series.. but they would have the OSCILLAtor on board |
| 18:52.20 | surfbuddy | which is still external to teh microprocessor chip |
| 18:52.52 | prpplague | surfbuddy: yea, the SAM series is considered extremely small arm chip |
| 18:53.15 | prpplague | surfbuddy: most larger items for things like pda's and such will require seperate external osc |
| 18:53.29 | prpplague | surfbuddy: http://www.simtec.co.uk/products/IM2440D20/back-full.jpg |
| 18:53.48 | prpplague | surfbuddy: at the top of this arm9 board you can see the 12mhz xtal and the 32.768 xtal |
| 18:53.59 | prpplague | surfbuddy: the 12mhz is for the system and the 32.768 is for the rtc |
| 18:55.10 | surfbuddy | seems like 1:1:1 |
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| 18:57.23 | prpplague | surfbuddy: 12mhz for the system clock is pretty standard for the s3c24xx series as it generates the best range of frequencies |
| 18:58.47 | MonMotha | surfbuddy: one of the reasons you see dedicated external clocks being used on the bigger stuff is that you get into more timing critical things like DRAM. That's especially evident if you're using a PLL to generate other clocks from a single source |
| 18:59.17 | MonMotha | most of the onboard oscillators ont he smaller micros aren't particularly stable. Many are just RC based and as such always have some temperature dependency |
| 18:59.53 | MonMotha | I've used the onboard oscillators on an AVR and I can tell you that they are a nightmare if you want something that's actually stable |
| 19:13.42 | surfbuddy | prpplague, the 12 Mhz looks like one on the left... |
| 19:16.26 | prpplague | surfbuddy: the 12mhz one is the square one on the right |
| 19:17.02 | prpplague | surfbuddy: the round one is the 32mhz |
| 19:18.00 | surfbuddy | prpplague, whats the clock inputs for USBs by the way ? |
| 19:18.12 | surfbuddy | I see for ARM9 it to be 48 MhZ |
| 19:19.30 | prpplague | yea, iirc |
| 19:20.18 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 19:20.21 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:20.26 | prpplague | Crofton: beat me to it |
| 19:20.35 | Crofton | still under 1 |
| 19:20.39 | prpplague | Crofton: yea |
| 19:21.07 | prpplague | Crofton: market cap just 10 days ago was 50mil |
| 19:21.11 | prpplague | Crofton: now just 20 |
| 19:23.32 | prpplague | Crofton: if it drops to .01 you could by the company for under a quarter mil |
| 19:23.38 | prpplague | buy |
| 19:23.56 | Crofton | heh |
| 19:24.24 | chouimat | prpplague: and do what? opensource their code? |
| 19:24.29 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe, it'd been nice to do like on the cat-in-the-hat movie and go do "your fiiiiiirrrrreeeeeed" on everyone |
| 19:25.28 | prpplague | chouimat: rent out the building to a companies that make restroom products |
| 19:25.39 | prpplague | chouimat: have water closets all of the building |
| 19:25.44 | chouimat | hehe |
| 19:26.14 | prpplague | chouimat: "for just $20 you too can take a dump in darl mcbrides office!" |
| 19:27.00 | chouimat | prpplague: you can make a fortune with this ... and you keep him in his office and charge 50$ ;) |
| 19:27.09 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:27.33 | prpplague | chouimat: you did see that article about the toilet paper company right? |
| 19:27.56 | chouimat | prpplague: and for 200 more you can dump on darl mcbrides in his office ... |
| 19:28.25 | chouimat | no i didn't saw this article |
| 19:28.54 | prpplague | chouimat: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=120093 |
| 19:30.44 | prpplague | chouimat: we can have a gift shop with a black brief case that is impossible to open, kinda like that one mcbride had |
| 19:31.07 | chouimat | hehe |
| 19:31.18 | prpplague | chouimat: or have toilet paper rolls printed with the SCO license for linux |
| 19:32.34 | prpplague | chouimat: we can immodium AD to sponser some stuff with, "Use our products when you don't just have diahrea of the mouth" |
| 19:32.47 | chouimat | prpplague: nortel did something like this when the share went from 120 to 0.69$ ... but it was used as wallpaper :) |
| 19:32.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:32.57 | chouimat | lol |
| 19:34.05 | prpplague | chouimat: oh, and don't forget the kids, we can have a game room with clasic games such as , whack the darl, and SCO invaders |
| 19:34.35 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 19:35.14 | chouimat | LOL |
| 19:35.57 | prpplague | chouimat: maybe even get nice version of "IP Pac Man" |
| 19:37.00 | chouimat | prpplague: maybe a nice version of braekout (sorry can't make a joke ) (but replace the ball by a picture of darl );) |
| 19:37.01 | prpplague | chouimat: i thought about having a small snack shop, but having themed sandwichs such as "Crow" and "Foot" just didn't sound that great of an idea |
| 19:38.00 | prpplague | chouimat: that might not have translated to french very well |
| 19:38.06 | prpplague | chouimat: slang terms i guess |
| 19:39.09 | prpplague | i thought i'd surely get a laugh out of Crofton |
| 19:39.27 | Crofton | sorry, actually trying to work :) |
| 19:39.35 | chouimat | prpplague: I was on the phone :) |
| 19:39.55 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe, no problem |
| 19:39.55 | prpplague | Crofton: taking a small break to focus |
| 19:40.44 | prpplague | hehe, scox is started to trade in fractions of cents |
| 19:42.05 | prpplague | wonder what people are gonna do when the find out their new ME, Inc. licenses from sco are worthless |
| 19:42.43 | philv | prpplague: sue? |
| 19:43.57 | prpplague | philv: sue who? sco will be dead, novell is already claming most of their assests |
| 19:44.31 | prpplague | i do hope that the management of sco will get some SEC attention |
| 19:45.11 | Crofton | I'd rather they be forced to get visa's to move back into the country |
| 19:45.26 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe |
| 19:46.22 | prpplague | Crofton: well i actually was talking to my wife about that last night, i personnaly think that the senators and representatives should be force to try getting a visa as if they were a non US citizen to see what its like |
| 19:46.31 | Crofton | yeah |
| 19:46.46 | Crofton | although most of their staph have a pretty good idea |
| 19:47.07 | prpplague | Crofton: yea, i've got a call in to senator kay bailey hutchinsons office now |
| 19:47.30 | Crofton | any change since the last request for bribes and prints? |
| 19:47.44 | philv | prpplague: true enough... I guess they'll just get upset and stomp around a bit ;) |
| 19:48.04 | prpplague | Crofton: naw, my wife is probably not going to be able to go with me at the end of december |
| 19:48.16 | Crofton | that sucks |
| 19:48.20 | prpplague | Crofton: they are saying that the fingerprints are gonna take 2-3 weeks |
| 19:48.25 | prpplague | Crofton: yea |
| 19:48.51 | prpplague | Crofton: she's gonna stay with her mother while i get this arranged in the states |
| 19:49.01 | prpplague | Crofton: its just one thing after another |
| 19:49.10 | Crofton | did you ask if she could visit her family for christmas |
| 19:49.15 | prpplague | Crofton: everytime we think its all done, they come up with some other excuse |
| 19:49.18 | Crofton | yeah |
| 19:49.46 | Crofton | I need to go watch some guy defend his dissertatoin\ |
| 19:49.49 | prpplague | Crofton: i'm sorry i did not understand the question about her family and xmas |
| 19:49.58 | prpplague | Crofton: okie dokie |
| 19:50.01 | Crofton | Go visit relatives in the US |
| 19:50.15 | Crofton | I asked him if I could bring my laptop though |
| 19:50.16 | prpplague | she only has her sister in the US |
| 19:50.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:50.57 | prpplague | Crofton: i get that from the strippers at the nudie bar all the time |
| 19:51.24 | chouimat | Whoever dies with the most toys wins. |
| 19:51.47 | prpplague | chouimat: well if its hackable toys, its gonna be me |
| 19:51.53 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 19:53.11 | prpplague | when i get to back to the states i'm going to "de-complicate" my life |
| 19:54.14 | chouimat | prpplague: be single again ? |
| 19:54.33 | prpplague | chouimat: well not that much of decomplication |
| 19:55.00 | prpplague | chouimat: finally going to get rid of that red hyundai that my ex-wife left me to pay for |
| 19:55.12 | prpplague | chouimat: much lower rent/mortgage |
| 19:55.21 | prpplague | chouimat: get a house closer to work |
| 19:55.44 | prpplague | chouimat: sign up for all automatic bill pay from bank account |
| 19:56.20 | chouimat | prpplague: 24 hours grocery stores ... |
| 19:56.36 | prpplague | chouimat: OH YEA |
| 19:56.52 | prpplague | chouimat: this open at 8:30 close at 5:30 sucks |
| 19:57.25 | prpplague | chouimat: and the clerks are terrible |
| 19:57.49 | prpplague | chouimat: stuff that in the states i'd demand to see the manager over, here they just don't even care, |
| 19:58.47 | prpplague | this 88w8385 2.6 driver is driving me nuts |
| 19:59.31 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm waiting for an answer for the last 3 jobs interview I had ... and technicaly they have a moral obligation to give me feedback any feedback ... |
| 20:00.02 | prpplague | chouimat: don't count on it |
| 20:01.00 | chouimat | prpplague: in canada most of the time they have to give you the news (you got it or you didn't got it) ... you can wait 6 months but you get it anyway ... |
| 20:01.26 | chouimat | prpplague: I mean after the second interview not the first one :) |
| 20:01.59 | prpplague | ahh |
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| 20:02.51 | prpplague | chouimat: here in barbados it usually takes 8-10 weeks to fire someone |
| 20:03.24 | chouimat | prpplague: nice :) |
| 20:04.52 | prpplague | chouimat: like the "at-will" policy |
| 20:05.00 | prpplague | chouimat: much better |
| 20:05.12 | CosmicPenguin | when you're the one doing the firing, not hte one being fired |
| 20:05.27 | chouimat | prpplague: I don't agree with it but in some case it could be useful ... |
| 20:05.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, no i agree with it from both ends |
| 20:05.55 | prpplague | but thats just me |
| 20:06.23 | prpplague | the only thing i wish was a little better about employement in the US was the amount of holiday time |
| 20:07.21 | prpplague | after 6 months of work here in barbados you get 3 weeks paid |
| 20:07.28 | prpplague | after 2 years you get 4 weeks |
| 20:07.35 | prpplague | after 4 years you usually get 5 weeks |
| 20:07.48 | prpplague | i can't even fathom having 5 weeks vacation |
| 20:08.47 | chouimat | prpplague: in switzerland my mother was getting 6 weeks paid ... the first year because the vacations work with your age not with the amount of year you worked for the company |
| 20:08.47 | prpplague | wow |
| 20:11.25 | chouimat | prpplague: if I ever get this I won't take more than 2 in a row :) |
| 20:13.51 | chouimat | ? |
| 20:14.46 | prpplague | wesley snipes and that guy off survivors all getting convicted of tax fraud |
| 20:16.00 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 20:17.04 | Crofton | almost 10% |
| 20:17.44 | prpplague | nasdaq folks can't be pleased |
| 20:17.55 | prpplague | thats really dragging down the numbers for the last week |
| 20:24.13 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 20:27.27 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 20:27.39 | prpplague | still dropping |
| 20:28.04 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder if people are finally calling in their shorts that they took back when it was in the high 7s |
| 20:28.05 | agaffney | wow |
| 20:28.11 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 20:28.21 | prpplague | hmm, back up |
| 20:28.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i suspect as much |
| 20:28.55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: in that case - there wouldn't be anybody that would _want_ to buy the shares |
| 20:28.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my guess is we will see some activity right before close |
| 20:29.01 | CosmicPenguin | they have to take them |
| 20:29.01 | chouimat | ~quote scox |
| 20:29.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, someone is buying |
| 20:29.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just can't figure out why |
| 20:29.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or why |
| 20:29.53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: on a short, they're just getting back the shares they loaned previously |
| 20:30.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahhh, gottcha |
| 20:30.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they borrow the shares, sell them, now they have to purchase them back to "return" them |
| 20:30.35 | CosmicPenguin | I think I would be in on the action if had the cash - .90 is bound to go up |
| 20:30.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you think? |
| 20:30.56 | CosmicPenguin | sure |
| 20:31.11 | CosmicPenguin | the market is funny like that - remember that most of the guys out there are just there to buy cash |
| 20:31.15 | CosmicPenguin | s/buy/make/ |
| 20:31.20 | chouimat | ~quote scox |
| 20:31.50 | prpplague | basically 30 minutes left of trading today |
| 20:32.30 | CosmicPenguin | at a price this cheap, a big buy will no doubt move the price |
| 20:33.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: all the big sells have made the price drop lately |
| 20:35.14 | Crofton | maybe we shoudl buy a few shares :) |
| 20:39.29 | prpplague | anyone know if the original command and conquer is still available? |
| 20:39.50 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure somehwere |
| 20:40.10 | prpplague | i wonder if i can get it running under linux |
| 20:40.32 | chouimat | prpplague: http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1 |
| 20:40.58 | chouimat | http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/comp_list.php?letter=C |
| 20:42.02 | prpplague | chouimat: dosbox? |
| 20:42.24 | chouimat | prpplague: it's a dos emulator ... they target games |
| 20:42.57 | prpplague | chouimat: for linux? |
| 20:43.02 | chouimat | yup |
| 20:43.23 | prpplague | chouimat: lovely |
| 20:43.56 | prpplague | chouimat: chandler would love c-n-c |
| 20:43.57 | chouimat | prpplague: I use it to play Darklands and Dune 2 ... |
| 20:44.04 | prpplague | chouimat: does it support networking? |
| 20:44.30 | chouimat | don't know |
| 20:45.56 | chouimat | prpplague: need sdl-net to compile so I guess it support it :) |
| 20:47.44 | prpplague | chouimat: interesting |
| 20:47.53 | prpplague | chouimat: i'll have to give it a try |
| 20:47.58 | prpplague | chouimat: i really like c-n-c |
| 20:48.19 | chouimat | :) |
| 20:49.06 | philv | ~quote scox |
| 20:49.40 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
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| 21:01.17 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 21:06.29 | philv | ~quote scox |
| 21:28.40 | chouimat|away | ~quote scox |
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