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| 00:46.03 | flyback | now that I just got a $8 mp3 player |
| 00:46.05 | flyback | that kicks ass |
| 00:46.14 | flyback | like 10x over juicebox's shit software |
| 00:46.20 | flyback | even as good as my $400 palm |
| 00:46.29 | flyback | I have no real reason to keep 5-6 juiceboxes |
| 00:46.32 | flyback | even for hacking |
| 00:46.41 | flyback | so I will probably start selling them off probably to people here |
| 00:46.47 | flyback | I will let you know in a few weeks |
| 00:46.50 | flyback | they are all 8 meg units |
| 01:07.52 | kRutOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.05 | CosmicPenguin | kRutOn: you were already told thats a copyright violation - whatever you do on your own time is your own business, but don't do here in public |
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| 01:21.44 | flyback | kRutOn? |
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| 03:27.40 | sunrunner20 | http://img.postmortemdepression.com/view/School/Tennis/IMG_0154.JPG.html |
| 03:28.58 | T0mW | So, UPS finally delivers a 2nd Day package @ 8:41PM... |
| 03:29.10 | wmat | heh |
| 03:29.30 | flyback | CANUCK |
| 03:29.32 | flyback | CANUCK |
| 03:29.33 | flyback | CANUCK |
| 03:29.43 | wmat | ouch |
| 03:30.06 | flyback | that was for william shatner's greatest hits |
| 03:30.13 | flyback | and other acts of canadian terrorism |
| 03:30.24 | T0mW | I wish the PCB house would offer shipping via USPS-Priority & USPS-Express mail. It gets here faster then UPS, arrives always before noon, and they even will deliver on Saturday for no extra charge |
| 03:30.29 | wmat | subtle terrorism |
| 03:30.51 | flyback | man this little $8 mp3 player is awesome |
| 03:30.59 | flyback | so I am selling off my juiceboxes |
| 03:30.59 | T0mW | OH, and USPS is CHEAPER than UPS! |
| 03:31.48 | flyback | T0mW |
| 03:31.52 | flyback | u are in us right? |
| 03:33.35 | T0mW | UPS is getting pretty bad on their delivery service in the past 2 years. It is taking them longer to move shipments from DigiKey, and others. It is almost two days longer for their ground service from Michigan. I used to get them in two days if shipped in the AM. Now, it usually takes 4 days. |
| 03:34.48 | T0mW | I just got a shipment from Las Vegas via USPS, it was shipped Thursday afternoon and was here Monday morning. |
| 03:35.38 | T0mW | it must be that UPS has to drive through Chicago to make that delivery from Michigan, that's it. |
| 03:35.52 | T0mW | </rant> |
| 04:11.00 | jbevren | T0mW: it doesnt go to chicago via truck |
| 04:11.06 | jbevren | it goes there via train |
| 04:12.10 | jbevren | flyback: how many times have you been banned for blatantly using canuck as an insult after being told not to? |
| 04:12.52 | flyback | dude I am banned here anyways |
| 04:12.55 | flyback | so why should I give a fuck |
| 04:13.14 | jbevren | personally I'm ok with you being here as long as you dont blatantly ignore our simple request for a mild containment :) |
| 04:13.25 | flyback | yeah well that asshole thinks overwise |
| 04:13.29 | flyback | so it's a moot point |
| 04:14.00 | jbevren | it's not a moot point atm. I'm not going to bother with the kick though. Just thought I'd rile you up about it |
| 04:15.18 | jbevren | on another note, I misflashed a walnut today :X |
| 04:15.25 | jbevren | now I get to build a jtag cable for it :) |
| 04:15.25 | flyback | :/ |
| 04:15.29 | flyback | heh |
| 04:15.42 | flyback | dude this $8 mp3 player is awesome |
| 04:15.48 | jbevren | cool |
| 04:15.49 | jbevren | what kind? |
| 04:15.54 | flyback | uhh mp3 vbr |
| 04:15.59 | flyback | shows title |
| 04:16.01 | flyback | lcd |
| 04:16.02 | flyback | backlight |
| 04:16.08 | flyback | even does lyrics with a song if encodedf |
| 04:16.11 | flyback | also does wma |
| 04:16.11 | jbevren | I have four that do that :) |
| 04:16.14 | flyback | firmware updates |
| 04:16.27 | flyback | you have to supply a sd/mmc but :) |
| 04:16.34 | jbevren | thats not so bad |
| 04:16.36 | flyback | http://cgi.ebay.com/jWIN-JX-MP88-MP3-Player-Digital-Audio-Up-to-2GB-SD-CARD_W0QQitemZ5881649459QQcmdZViewItem |
| 04:16.42 | jbevren | my favorite is stuck with 128M flash |
| 04:16.47 | flyback | yeah my point being is the juiceboxes just lost any redeeming quality |
| 04:16.49 | flyback | so they are done |
| 04:16.51 | jbevren | but it has a builtin fm transmitter so it gets used most |
| 04:16.52 | flyback | selling them |
| 04:16.56 | flyback | mabye keep 2 for hacking but that's it |
| 04:17.08 | flyback | yeah I bought another fm transmitter for my car |
| 04:17.14 | flyback | 3rd one hopefully won't cook this one |
| 04:17.23 | flyback | I bought this mp3 player fo the car didn't think it would bve very good |
| 04:17.31 | flyback | now thinking of using it all the time to keep the wear off my palm |
| 04:17.48 | flyback | only thing the palm does better is ogg and some other formats |
| 04:18.18 | flyback | with my full time job and the fact I can afford stuff now |
| 04:18.22 | flyback | just not worth fighting with |
| 04:18.37 | flyback | unless someone comes up with a 5 min $2 hack to turn juiceboxes into serial graphical lcd terms |
| 04:18.52 | flyback | all mine are 8 meg units |
| 04:18.58 | flyback | 2 new in package 3 beat up, one needs soldering |
| 04:19.59 | flyback | I got major problems now anyways |
| 04:20.03 | flyback | I have internal roids |
| 04:20.11 | flyback | so I lost a lot of patience dealing with stuff |
| 04:20.34 | flyback | so i'll sell off the jb's and move onto something more interesting |
| 04:20.42 | flyback | mabye trade them for stuff I want or for favors |
| 04:20.45 | flyback | like soldering work |
| 04:21.22 | flyback | dude |
| 04:21.24 | flyback | compgeeks |
| 04:21.26 | flyback | had |
| 04:21.32 | flyback | nicd/nimh charger |
| 04:21.36 | flyback | does AA or AAA 2 or 4 at once |
| 04:21.43 | jbevren | neat |
| 04:21.44 | flyback | $8.99 with four AA 2000ma |
| 04:21.47 | flyback | but get this |
| 04:21.50 | flyback | IT'S A SMART CHARGER! |
| 04:21.51 | jbevren | sparkfun has 2700mah aa's |
| 04:21.53 | flyback | DELTA DT |
| 04:21.58 | flyback | err dv |
| 04:22.02 | flyback | err -dv |
| 04:22.11 | flyback | dude I can't even get shit walmart timer chargers that cheap |
| 04:22.14 | flyback | so I got 2 units :) |
| 04:22.30 | flyback | they are back to $11.99 now which is still a steal |
| 04:22.36 | flyback | and the mp3 player is back to $14 from $8 |
| 04:22.53 | flyback | got some cheap but decent 256mb flash drives for my uncle and aunt |
| 04:22.55 | flyback | xmas gift |
| 04:23.01 | flyback | just need to finish testing them then hand them over |
| 04:23.12 | flyback | and I got my dad a smart lead acid battery charger for xmas |
| 04:23.18 | flyback | been borrowing it the last week though |
| 04:23.25 | flyback | used to to get some batteries working again on the new job |
| 04:23.27 | flyback | ups batteries |
| 04:23.31 | flyback | it has a desulfate mode |
| 04:24.16 | flyback | it's been like 3 hrs though why haven't both chargers turned off |
| 04:28.07 | flyback | man I love this little mp3 player |
| 04:28.17 | flyback | I might get one for my sister for bday and one for my mom for her's |
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| 14:26.06 | LyosNorezel2 | ya'll... TI is frigging awesome |
| 14:26.22 | sjhill | ? |
| 14:26.22 | LyosNorezel2 | last night at 6pm I requested samples from TI (Texas Instruments)... this morning at 9:05am the sample I requested are in my hands |
| 14:26.29 | sjhill | must be a fluke |
| 14:26.38 | sjhill | TI took 4 months to get me developer boards |
| 14:26.40 | sjhill | i hate TI |
| 14:26.44 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 14:27.30 | LyosNorezel2 | damn... that's about 15 hours... from the time of the request to the time of the delivery |
| 14:27.42 | LyosNorezel2 | holy crap they're fast |
| 14:29.26 | Crofton | sjhill, at least you get boards :) |
| 14:29.34 | LyosNorezel2 | pity they only allow 5 of each sample |
| 14:34.22 | wmat | sample what? they free? |
| 14:35.25 | LyosNorezel2 | wmat: da |
| 14:35.39 | LyosNorezel2 | I got 5 each of 3 chips... |
| 14:35.48 | LyosNorezel2 | PCI2050BPDV |
| 14:35.58 | LyosNorezel2 | PCI2250PGF |
| 14:36.01 | wmat | request link? |
| 14:36.07 | LyosNorezel2 | PCI2060ZHK |
| 14:37.35 | LyosNorezel2 | wmat: one sec |
| 14:38.11 | LyosNorezel2 | http://focus.ti.com/paramsearch/docs/parametricsearch.tsp?family=analog&familyId=382&uiTemplateId=NODE_STRY_PGE_T¶mCriteria=no |
| 14:56.20 | LyosNorezel2 | how difficult do you think it would be to interface a processor directly to a 2 wire serial bus? |
| 15:08.33 | wmat | LyosNorezel2: not hard, via the I2C 2-wire serial bus |
| 15:09.39 | LyosNorezel2 | wmat: heh... |
| 15:10.00 | LyosNorezel2 | I'm not sure you're getting my full meaning... |
| 15:10.28 | LyosNorezel2 | basically I want to interface the whole of a processor's logic... to a serial bus |
| 15:12.42 | wmat | heh |
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| 15:43.41 | antics | i need some help talking to a i2c device from userspace in uclinux |
| 15:44.01 | antics | i'm using a pcf8574 on a blackfin. |
| 15:44.21 | antics | but the bigger issue is i'm not seeing any traffic on the i2c bus |
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| 17:35.56 | jbevren | do ppc/uboot provide firmware calls for its services (such as disk and console IO)? |
| 17:42.27 | dfarnsworth | jbevren, uboot doesn't |
| 17:42.33 | jbevren | I was unsure |
| 17:42.38 | jbevren | so I asked :D |
| 17:42.51 | jbevren | I got the bright idea of running an OS-less cpu emulator on the walnut |
| 17:43.02 | jbevren | but I'd use the ppcboot firmware (if possible) to provide console/disk |
| 17:43.29 | jbevren | I suppose I could just jump into the right spots (by way of linking against or into the ppcboot code) |
| 17:43.45 | dfarnsworth | serial console is easy, disk less so. :) |
| 17:43.49 | jbevren | nod |
| 17:43.57 | jbevren | well, PIO-mode ide is easy on the thing I guess |
| 17:44.03 | jbevren | other than locating the chip |
| 17:45.34 | dfarnsworth | my walnuts sit idle on a shelf |
| 17:46.11 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:46.14 | jbevren | mine too |
| 17:46.21 | jbevren | one gets used is all |
| 17:47.11 | dfarnsworth | Sometimes I think: when I retire, I'll have all this obsolete hardware to play with. :( |
| 17:48.39 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:48.53 | jbevren | a friend and I are working on a handmade cp/m system |
| 17:49.03 | jbevren | since I'm strapped for cash, I figured a software solution would be cool enough |
| 17:49.08 | dfarnsworth | now, that's retro |
| 17:49.13 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:49.20 | jbevren | he has a vector timeslice system |
| 17:49.28 | jbevren | it's amazing (for its day) in concept |
| 17:49.33 | jbevren | one z80 cpu, four tty's |
| 17:49.41 | jbevren | each tty has its own ram, and runs its own copy of cp/m |
| 17:49.52 | dfarnsworth | yep, that's pretty good |
| 17:49.54 | jbevren | the cpu is rotated between the tty boards |
| 17:50.07 | jbevren | the disk bios runs on the cpu board, which runs a 5th copy of cp/m |
| 17:50.31 | jbevren | a 5MB harddisk is sliced 5 ways to avoid fs concurrency issues |
| 17:50.40 | jbevren | so what you have is a mini mainframe |
| 17:50.48 | jbevren | (miniframe?) |
| 17:50.54 | jbevren | personally, I think it's genius |
| 17:51.43 | jbevren | currently, however, we have no tty's (theyre not serial), and the system manager serial port outputs nothing |
| 17:52.22 | jbevren | I just need to build an ascii keyboard (easy) and find a display compatible with the tty board's output (havent checked sync frequencies yet) |
| 17:52.22 | dfarnsworth | once I worked for a corner of Motorola that sold multiuser 6809 systems with 56K of ram. They even had a native cobol compiler. |
| 17:52.30 | jbevren | nod |
| 17:52.33 | jbevren | I have cobol on my c64 |
| 17:52.35 | dfarnsworth | yes, that rotation sounds neat |
| 17:52.57 | jbevren | I've seen a similar concept on the commodore 64 |
| 17:53.04 | jbevren | but it involves a hardware hack to up the ram to 256k |
| 17:53.18 | dfarnsworth | Now, I believe it was true that one had to kick other users off to run the cobol compiler |
| 17:53.28 | jbevren | the 64k drams are pulled, and 256k ones put in their place. The extra address lines are then sent to a GPIO chip |
| 17:53.56 | jbevren | so you could run 4 unoptimized sessions |
| 17:54.31 | jbevren | or with a proper OS, more (since it was paged at 16k segments) |
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| 17:56.18 | dfarnsworth | it was fun, but I don't want to go back. :) |
| 17:56.31 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:56.44 | jbevren | I like toying with old systems |
| 17:56.51 | jbevren | the buses are slow enough that you can get away with murder on em |
| 17:57.04 | jbevren | like running address lines across random wires from GPIO chips :) |
| 17:57.22 | jbevren | the 256k expansion with paged virtual mapping was pretty cool imho |
| 17:58.19 | dfarnsworth | I agree it was cool to expand machines well beyond their planned capabilities |
| 17:58.30 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:58.34 | jbevren | like the plus/4 from commodore |
| 17:58.40 | jbevren | 6507 cpu (6502 derivative) |
| 17:58.49 | jbevren | it came with 64k, but one guy expanded his to 4megs |
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| 20:50.23 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 20:50.32 | prpplague | sdram always seems to be a problem for me :( |
| 20:50.54 | MonMotha | how so? |
| 20:51.00 | MonMotha | I thought USB was your problem :) |
| 20:52.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:52.40 | prpplague | that too |
| 20:52.55 | prpplague | MonMotha: new board bringup |
| 20:52.55 | MonMotha | what's your sdram doing now? |
| 20:53.02 | MonMotha | though I'll admit I know a lot more about USB than SDRAM |
| 20:53.36 | prpplague | MonMotha: just not responding, and all the settings should be correct as we have used this sdram chip with the same cpu before |
| 20:53.42 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'm guessing hardware |
| 20:53.54 | MonMotha | probably |
| 20:54.02 | MonMotha | I'd say get a scope out and play |
| 20:54.22 | MonMotha | termination issues perhaps? |
| 20:54.35 | MonMotha | especially on DDR RAM, that can cause MAJOR problems and is often overlooked or just plain not done correctly |
| 20:55.18 | prpplague | possible |
| 20:56.49 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, a scope should show that in most cases |
| 20:56.55 | MonMotha | at least if it can sample fast enough |
| 20:59.35 | MonMotha | prpplague: some no-talent board layout guy probably routed one data line directly and the other around the edge of the board 5 times :) |
| 21:08.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'll make sure i don't forward that comment to my boss, hehe |
| 21:08.48 | prpplague | MonMotha: specially since he laid out the board |
| 21:10.30 | MonMotha | heh |
| 21:10.32 | MonMotha | most layout people are aware that such a layout would be bad |
| 21:10.39 | MonMotha | even if it works fine, the EMI will be terrible from the one line |
| 21:12.50 | prpplague | yea, this is a pretty small board |
| 21:13.02 | prpplague | we've already found a couple of layout issues |
| 21:15.49 | MonMotha | eh, you always do |
| 21:27.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: yep, just that this is a REALLY small board |
| 21:27.55 | MonMotha | that makes layout errors even more likely if it's at all complex (and SDRAM implies a certain level of complexity) |
| 21:28.03 | MonMotha | probably >4 layers? |
| 21:32.25 | LyosNorezel2 | anyone know of a good software program that'll help with board layouts if you have 4 to 8 layers? |
| 21:33.07 | MonMotha | "help"? |
| 21:33.16 | MonMotha | what are you using to do layouts as it is? |
| 21:33.37 | LyosNorezel2 | ExpressPCB |
| 21:33.42 | LyosNorezel2 | at the moment |
| 21:34.11 | MonMotha | oh, their software? |
| 21:34.13 | MonMotha | can't help you |
| 21:34.18 | MonMotha | that stuff is hella proprietary |
| 21:34.31 | LyosNorezel2 | I said at the moment |
| 21:34.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: its 8 layer |
| 21:34.58 | LyosNorezel2 | I need software that can do more layers than expresspcb can do |
| 21:35.39 | MonMotha | how many layers can eagle do? |
| 21:35.49 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah, with that many layers, you're going to find some problems |
| 21:40.30 | MonMotha | LyosNorezel: I use Cadence OrCAD, but that's not cheap |
| 21:40.45 | MonMotha | it goes up to like 12 layers, though, and Allegro (the successor to the old OrCAD suite) can go even higher |
| 21:40.57 | MonMotha | Allegro also has a usable autorouter |
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| 22:00.19 | LyosNorezel2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.33 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 22:00.44 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe, been over the specs like 12 times already |
| 22:01.13 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: can you create multilayer PCBs? |
| 22:01.36 | MonMotha | most PCB design software supports up to at least 4 layers |
| 22:01.48 | MonMotha | going above that usually costs $$$ |
| 22:01.58 | LyosNorezel2 | hmm... |
| 22:02.01 | MonMotha | and there is unfortunately very little in the way of free/opensource PCB design software |
| 22:02.04 | MonMotha | it's a complicated thing |
| 22:02.14 | MonMotha | especially if you want DFM check |
| 22:02.15 | LyosNorezel2 | ExpressPCB does 4 layers... |
| 22:02.27 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: me personally, no, my employeer yes |
| 22:02.29 | LyosNorezel2 | if you want a power and ground layer internal |
| 22:03.01 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: are you allowed to create PCBs for your own use? |
| 22:05.58 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: yea if i need to |
| 22:07.52 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: do you have to pay for it? or does the company cover it? |
| 22:10.18 | wmat | any tech specs ov the iphone yet? |
| 22:11.56 | wmat | i see it's running some version of os x |
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| 22:30.00 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: normally i can get stuff free |
| 22:30.13 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: i'm sure if i was doing some expensive stuff i'd have to pay |
| 22:30.22 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: or lots of qty |
| 22:30.57 | LyosNorezel2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.09 | LyosNorezel2 | that makes sense |
| 22:39.54 | MonMotha | most companies will likely let you use their software for hobbyist stuff, but expect to buy your own boarsd |
| 22:40.04 | MonMotha | fortunately, boards aren't THAT expensive |
| 22:40.19 | MonMotha | do it off the clock, obviously, too |
| 22:58.26 | LyosNorezel | yeah |
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