| 00:33.48 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 00:42.20 | ccjoe | Has anyone here used the non-free versions of Eagle? What do they use as copy protection? |
| 00:49.59 | MonMotha | A dongle that requires a dedicated PCIe 16x slot, serial connection, ethernet connection with unfirewalled, public IP internet access, and a sacrificial goat |
| 00:50.09 | MonMotha | oh wait, I'm sorry, that's MATLAB |
| 00:50.23 | ccjoe | :) |
| 00:50.38 | ccjoe | you understand why I'm asking though |
| 00:51.35 | MonMotha | yes |
| 00:51.53 | MonMotha | in all honesty, there are tiems when copy protection dongles are legit. General purpose software isn't one of them |
| 00:52.03 | MonMotha | but as to what Eagle uses, no clue |
| 00:52.29 | MonMotha | heck, I'm not even sure what the single-user version of Cadence uses. I'm used to the network licensed version which, of course, uses the universally reviled FlexLM |
| 00:53.18 | ccjoe | my Mentor PADs uses a parallel port dongle and I am always having trouble with it |
| 00:53.40 | ccjoe | besides parallel ports are disappearing |
| 00:54.24 | MonMotha | most of the new copy protection dongles are USB |
| 00:55.02 | MonMotha | parallel port ones seem all but gone. RS-232 serial are still around |
| 00:55.28 | ccjoe | yup, I'm hoping I can convince Mentor to send me a USB one based on my latest troubles |
| 00:55.55 | MonMotha | or you could just download the no-dongle crack :) |
| 00:56.29 | ccjoe | very tempting, but I've never looked to see if one exists |
| 00:57.03 | MonMotha | PADS is popular enough that it probably does |
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| 02:06.26 | sunrunner20 | heh |
| 02:06.27 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 02:06.28 | sunrunner20 | generally |
| 02:06.35 | sunrunner20 | i say fuck you to companies that do that |
| 02:06.39 | sunrunner20 | and crack that protection |
| 02:07.03 | sunrunner20 | i'm too lazy to plug in a dongle >_> |
| 02:07.29 | sunrunner20 | not to mention |
| 02:07.33 | sunrunner20 | no parralel port |
| 02:09.29 | sunrunner20 | also |
| 02:09.30 | sunrunner20 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=SkNR47avNAM |
| 02:10.17 | MonMotha | there are times where some sort of copy protection hardware thingie is fine in my opinion. Any time where the hardware is sold as an integrated part of the system (even if it's PC based) |
| 02:10.25 | MonMotha | which tends to be very application specific |
| 02:13.56 | MonMotha | sunrunner20: I presume that's from the Dilbert episode bearing the same title |
| 02:14.05 | MonMotha | I've seen it. In fact, it's currently sitting in MythTV |
| 02:14.09 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 02:14.26 | sunrunner20 | anyway |
| 02:14.32 | sunrunner20 | the only one i'd support is USB |
| 02:14.49 | sunrunner20 | since its up to date, and every pc is stuffed to the brim with them |
| 02:14.57 | MonMotha | yes |
| 02:15.06 | sunrunner20 | our windows 95 machine had 2 usb 1.1 ports |
| 02:15.12 | sunrunner20 | think about that for a second |
| 02:15.16 | MonMotha | actually, one of my current projects is developing a USB protection dongle for some highly application specific software |
| 02:15.46 | sunrunner20 | (win 95 did not support usb) |
| 02:16.29 | MonMotha | yes it did |
| 02:16.31 | MonMotha | OSR2 |
| 02:16.41 | MonMotha | now, I didn't say it supported it WELL... |
| 02:16.41 | sunrunner20 | not initally |
| 02:16.46 | sunrunner20 | at least |
| 02:16.52 | sunrunner20 | wouldn't do shit.... |
| 02:16.55 | MonMotha | yeah, you needed OSR2 |
| 02:17.08 | MonMotha | and even then about all it supported was the most basic of the HID class |
| 02:17.19 | MonMotha | so mice, keyboards, and I think joysticks |
| 02:17.47 | MonMotha | of course, originally, that's what USB was pretty much targeted at: replacing the device specific ports for input devices |
| 02:18.36 | sunrunner20 | I'll be ordering my new laptop as soon as its aviable again |
| 02:18.44 | sunrunner20 | (toshiba is out of stock of core 2 duo |
| 02:18.46 | sunrunner20 | ) |
| 02:19.11 | MonMotha | bah, my next laptop is going to be a toughbook |
| 02:19.34 | sunrunner20 | tablet :p |
| 02:19.52 | MonMotha | I'm not a fan of tablets |
| 02:20.00 | MonMotha | mostly because the software for them is pathetically weak and hacked up |
| 02:20.09 | MonMotha | on both the commerical and OSS side of the fence |
| 02:20.14 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 02:20.22 | sunrunner20 | my tablet is wacom OEM |
| 02:20.24 | sunrunner20 | so |
| 02:20.26 | sunrunner20 | no hacks |
| 02:20.30 | sunrunner20 | best in the business |
| 02:20.33 | sunrunner20 | :) |
| 02:20.36 | MonMotha | I don't mean the hardware or drivers |
| 02:20.43 | MonMotha | I mean application softwaer |
| 02:20.45 | sunrunner20 | but yes, there is no OSS |
| 02:20.51 | MonMotha | try using Office with a tablet |
| 02:20.52 | MonMotha | SUCKS |
| 02:20.56 | sunrunner20 | heheh |
| 02:21.01 | MonMotha | it's all designed for keyboard/mouse |
| 02:21.01 | sunrunner20 | not what i'm using it for |
| 02:21.14 | sunrunner20 | its all graphics |
| 02:21.16 | sunrunner20 | but |
| 02:21.23 | MonMotha | want to put data in an Excel cell? bring up the virtual keyboard or recognizer input box. You can't just write directly into it |
| 02:21.29 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 02:21.30 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 02:21.32 | sunrunner20 | you can now |
| 02:21.37 | sunrunner20 | handwriting recognition |
| 02:21.39 | sunrunner20 | but |
| 02:21.44 | sunrunner20 | mine sucks too bad to be reconginzed |
| 02:21.46 | MonMotha | you can just write it DIRECTLY INTO A CELL? |
| 02:22.05 | sunrunner20 | i'd imagin you have to "click" the cell first |
| 02:22.07 | sunrunner20 | brb |
| 02:22.21 | MonMotha | last time I used this stuff (a few months ago), you had to bring up the OS recognizer input, write your data, hit the "do it" button, and it would insert th data into the cell, closing the recognizer |
| 02:22.41 | MonMotha | makes taking data pointless. It's quicker to write it in a physical notebook and type it in 'en masse' using a numpad later |
| 02:23.28 | MonMotha | you couldn't just make your cells big enough to write in them and write numbers directly in |
| 02:23.38 | MonMotha | which is how you'd want to use it if you were taking data. No mode/context switches |
| 02:23.47 | MonMotha | (user interface context, that is) |
| 02:23.59 | wmat | MonMotha: panasonic has a free toughbook trial program |
| 02:24.07 | wmat | unfortunately, it's only 3 days long |
| 02:24.58 | wmat | and it's for the W4 or Y4, at least in Canada |
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| 15:51.26 | T0mW | heh, looks like Digikey is offline. Their search engine is borked |
| 15:52.05 | T0mW | Another fine Microsoft installation bites the dust |
| 15:57.51 | chouimat | :) |
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| 16:44.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ping |
| 16:46.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pong |
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| 16:47.09 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: check the devel@laptop.org archives and join the on going discussion about the xbox adapter and its simularity to the wireless part on the OLPC |
| 16:47.16 | CosmicPenguin | not even Marvell thinks the firmware will work on the xbox part |
| 16:47.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, yea it shouldn't, but i did it get to work for a few times before it toasted the board |
| 16:48.40 | prpplague | the primary difference is the rf transceiver |
| 16:50.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats the thread subject? |
| 16:51.39 | CosmicPenguin | RE: Marvell 88W8388 driver (Was: OLPC Laptop - an opensource |
| 16:51.39 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.49 | prpplague | hehe yea, i had to tweak a bunch of the driver to get the firmware to load, but the main problem is that the xbox has a 88w8031 transceiver which is a/b/g |
| 17:35.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: who the hell is this marex guy, he's driving me nuts |
| 17:37.21 | CosmicPenguin | He just appeared |
| 17:37.52 | prpplague | he acts like he is 12 |
| 17:38.32 | prpplague | he's /msg'n me asking me to give him my driver even before the lawyers ok it.... its like "dood, i'd get fired!" |
| 17:40.27 | CosmicPenguin | thats normally why we don't give people like that the time of day |
| 17:42.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
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| 17:45.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: jeeze that guy must be 12 |
| 17:46.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he can't seem to understand that people get paid to do dev work |
| 17:57.22 | wmat | prpplague: who's that? |
| 17:57.29 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin prpplague wmat |
| 17:57.41 | prpplague | chouimat: greetings |
| 17:57.52 | wmat | chouimat: bonjour |
| 17:58.14 | prpplague | wmat: some guy nick'd Marex pestering me for a marvell driver source that my employer hasn't released yet |
| 17:58.26 | wmat | ah |
| 18:02.25 | chouimat | prpplague: another side effect of GPL ;) |
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| 21:44.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i have the 88w8385 sdio interface initializing |
| 21:44.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: close to gettting it running with the libertas stuff |
| 21:44.49 | CosmicPenguin | nice |
| 21:45.11 | prpplague | still a major question about the sdio interface as well as the firmware though :( |
| 21:45.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: currently i'm stripping the firmware from a winblows driver |
| 21:58.11 | prpplague | lordy lordy, too late on a friday to be having to debrick |
| 21:59.26 | CosmicPenguin | debricking is fun |
| 22:03.05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so, if I know how much current my board is drawing, there's an easy way to figure out how many watts that is |
| 22:03.11 | CosmicPenguin | but I forget how - do you know? |
| 22:03.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea you need to know the current and voltage |
| 22:03.52 | CosmicPenguin | Of the wall wart, you mean? |
| 22:04.30 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:04.38 | prpplague | or what its actually drawing |
| 22:05.02 | CosmicPenguin | The power source is doing 1.5A @ 12V |
| 22:05.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.the12volt.com/ohm/page2.asp |
| 22:05.15 | prpplague | but is that actually whats being pulled? |
| 22:05.21 | CosmicPenguin | the board is drawing .624 amps |
| 22:05.41 | prpplague | at 12v? |
| 22:05.45 | CosmicPenguin | but if I=P/E, then I'm good |
| 22:05.54 | CosmicPenguin | P=I*E |
| 22:06.10 | CosmicPenguin | useful website |
| 22:06.15 | prpplague | that'd be about 7.5watts |
| 22:06.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 22:08.30 | CosmicPenguin | ahh - sad |
| 22:11.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the power? |
| 22:11.53 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - we don't win much with dynamic ticks turned on |
| 22:12.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: our M5900 with a usb 802.11 dongle is doing about .180mA at 8.0v |
| 22:12.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which is 1.45 wattts |
| 22:13.36 | CosmicPenguin | 7.488 watts isn't too bad with a USB key plugged in and the screen turned up to full blash |
| 22:13.46 | CosmicPenguin | s/blash/blast/ |
| 22:13.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 22:14.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doesn't sound like your usb dongle is pulling that much |
| 22:14.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't suppose you can measure the current without the dongle |
| 22:15.55 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 22:18.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah - I could move over to the nand |
| 22:18.31 | CosmicPenguin | but this is a kernel from my private stash |
| 22:18.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh, its a usb thumb drive?\ |
| 22:18.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was thinking it was the marvell dongle |
| 22:24.11 | CosmicPenguin | Turning off the backlight saves a watt and a half |
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