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| 01:48.46 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: doh, what'd I do? |
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| 01:49.12 | LyosNorezel | T0mW: you massacred the channel |
| 01:49.15 | LyosNorezel | ;-) |
| 01:49.48 | T0mW | shrug |
| 01:50.22 | LyosNorezel | hehe |
| 01:50.27 | T0mW | xchat kept wanting me to restart it again before changes to its config were done. |
| 01:50.34 | T0mW | stupid xchat |
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| 01:51.22 | T0mW | I got a copy of MicroSoft Vista yesterday |
| 01:51.43 | LyosNorezel | yack |
| 01:52.01 | T0mW | heh, it came pre-installed on the new box I bought. They won't remove it and give me a discount for not having it. |
| 01:52.34 | T0mW | I had to take it, however, I don't have to boot it or try it. heh. |
| 01:52.44 | LyosNorezel | hummm... time to break out Maestro |
| 01:53.08 | T0mW | ~maestro? |
| 01:53.18 | purl | [maestro] lil german dude who likes to party |
| 01:53.22 | T0mW | heh |
| 01:53.50 | LyosNorezel | it's a collection of software tools that allows low-level control of a computer |
| 01:54.04 | T0mW | oh, like ssh? |
| 01:54.06 | T0mW | ;) |
| 01:54.27 | LyosNorezel | including a low level format tool... that even NSA couldn't recover |
| 01:55.06 | T0mW | dosemu won't run on an x86_64 system. :( |
| 01:55.19 | LyosNorezel | heh |
| 01:55.23 | T0mW | I'll have to figure out another way to run the old dos based 8051 compiler |
| 01:55.38 | LyosNorezel | vmware? |
| 01:56.04 | T0mW | probably a 32bit install of linux inside a vmware machine, then put dosemu there |
| 01:56.04 | CP|too | ew |
| 01:56.17 | T0mW | yeah, seems like the only way. OOO! I could probably run it under VISTA! You think? |
| 01:56.26 | LyosNorezel | yack |
| 01:57.39 | T0mW | CP|too: one of the work computers died Saturday, so I bought a new HP box from Best Buy: AMD X2 4200. I did not think hard enough about hte 32bit apps ... |
| 01:57.51 | LyosNorezel | you might try qemu |
| 01:58.06 | CP|too | thats what you get for buying a AMD processor |
| 01:58.10 | T0mW | nope, won't work. I just was on #qemu and asked |
| 01:58.21 | T0mW | ~lart CP|too |
| 01:58.36 | T0mW | Lol! how appropriate! |
| 01:58.59 | T0mW | CP|too: that's waht you get for bad-mouthing AMD! heh |
| 01:59.06 | LyosNorezel | T0mW: you could look for a copy of MSDOS 6.22 |
| 01:59.08 | CP|too | Though I don't think the Intel clone can will do the x86 legacy mode either |
| 01:59.16 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: I have one |
| 01:59.19 | LyosNorezel | and install that in qemu/vmware |
| 01:59.48 | CP|too | s/legacy mode/virtual 8086/ |
| 01:59.58 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: yeah, but, I already have a dosemu solution that I've been using for about four years now. Why switch to qemu? |
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| 02:00.21 | LyosNorezel | CP|too: AMD is better than Intel |
| 02:00.29 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: agreed |
| 02:00.44 | CP|too | AMD is horrible - look at the people they hire |
| 02:00.48 | LyosNorezel | T0mW: qemu is a program like vmware... but not as fancy |
| 02:01.07 | T0mW | CP|too: yeah, real lackeys. Good marketing people though |
| 02:01.20 | CP|too | ~lart T0mW |
| 02:01.35 | T0mW | wheeeee! More! |
| 02:01.56 | LyosNorezel | I'll take 1 AMD CPU over any 100 Intel CPUs any day of the week |
| 02:02.09 | CP|too | Thats about the conversion rate |
| 02:02.36 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: well, all circuit-city had was intel boxen for sale. Seemed like best-buy only had amd-boxes |
| 02:03.03 | LyosNorezel | heh |
| 02:03.27 | T0mW | CP|too: I am determined to "be there" when they finally get an x86_64 linux distro to work properly. |
| 02:03.38 | LyosNorezel | isn't dosemu like wine but for dos stuff only? |
| 02:04.02 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: only runs via images, like partition images |
| 02:04.13 | LyosNorezel | ah |
| 02:04.48 | T0mW | LyosNorezel: I run the dosemu target filesystem inside the linux filesystem. |
| 02:04.50 | CP|too | Its a little bit different then qemu - dosemu uses a special x86 mode to run nearly native |
| 02:06.02 | CP|too | very basic hardware virtualization |
| 02:06.38 | T0mW | nod, that's what I basically got from their docs. which, btw, suck |
| 02:07.28 | T0mW | qemu docs talk a lot about command line switches, but they don't give you any real-world examples of how to run things. |
| 02:08.55 | T0mW | sigh, I've lost nearly two weeks with computer problems. That is why i bought the new HP box. Nice box btw. |
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| 02:09.47 | T0mW | can you hot-swap SATA drives? |
| 02:10.23 | LyosNorezel | depends on the drives |
| 02:11.43 | T0mW | just wondering. The HP box has a snap-off front panel that you can slide the hard drives out. I was wondering if they did that so you could hot-swap. |
| 02:12.27 | T0mW | maybe it is just a servicing thing. No screws to take out, just pull a latch and slide the drive out. |
| 02:17.28 | MonMotha | T0mW: it was my understanding that all SATA hard drives are hot swappable, but you need a controller that supports it and of course OS support to flush all the caches and such |
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| 02:18.50 | T0mW | MonMotha: cool |
| 02:19.49 | T0mW | on another subject. Some wanker has a bot that feeds spam to website html forms. I was getting over 100 messages a night from that wanker. |
| 02:20.18 | CP|too | I got a bad bunch of them last night - stupid spamassassin |
| 02:20.23 | T0mW | finally had to implement and image gen to see if there was a human there or not |
| 02:21.05 | T0mW | why would someone send you 60+ messages for hoodia ? |
| 02:21.45 | T0mW | heh |
| 02:22.21 | T0mW | MonMotha: controller has to "reset" the drive when swapped? |
| 02:22.33 | MonMotha | T0mW: they probably are looking for anything they can submit to in hopes that it makes it on a publicly visible page like a blog or web forum |
| 02:22.44 | MonMotha | there are bots out there that specifically target phpbb and can actually solve the stock CAPTCHA |
| 02:23.07 | MonMotha | T0mW: I believe they de-activate the data lines to prevent damage due to the lack of termination or something |
| 02:23.18 | MonMotha | since the overshoot can get pretty bad on those high speed, fast edge serial lines |
| 02:23.20 | T0mW | well that is why I left it monochrome instead of color, maybe it will be harder. |
| 02:23.41 | MonMotha | and WHY must XST be so slow? |
| 02:24.13 | MonMotha | synthesizing a simple single PPC core design with just some GPIO and a single custom peripheral (that isn't exactly complicated) takes nearly 20 minutes on my P4 laptop |
| 02:25.34 | CP|too | huh - spamd just up and died |
| 02:25.39 | CP|too | not exactly sure why |
| 02:25.41 | T0mW | ah, must be the Pentium four. |
| 02:26.03 | MonMotha | T0mW: that wouldn't surprise me, but even on our Athlon64 machines in the lab it takes about 6-8 minutes |
| 02:26.19 | MonMotha | it's probably having to downclock my P4, too. This laptop has terrible thermal management |
| 02:26.22 | T0mW | wow |
| 02:26.37 | MonMotha | XST generates good hardware, but boy is it slow to do so |
| 02:26.51 | MonMotha | munches on a lot of RAM, too |
| 02:27.11 | T0mW | heh, maybe you are deep into the swapfile then? |
| 02:27.12 | MonMotha | bitgen is actually worse |
| 02:27.21 | MonMotha | naw, the whole process fits in RAM |
| 02:27.35 | MonMotha | it does have to swap some other stuff out to make it fit, but even Windows seems to avoid thrashing on this one |
| 02:27.40 | MonMotha | it's mostly CPU and memory bound |
| 02:28.59 | T0mW | well, all the computers are now working (one hit the trash heap). So it must be time to catch some ZZZzzz's and let the gremlins attach the computers again. |
| 02:29.01 | T0mW | g'nite |
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| 05:02.41 | ravehanker | I'ce compiled a snapgear linux 2.4 kernel with SCSI support for an Intel IXP425 (arm-based) network processor, But when i plug in my usb device it doesn't even recieve power. What should i do? |
| 05:04.11 | CP|too | sounds like a hardware problem |
| 05:05.05 | ravehanker | CP|too:- could it be? I remember a similar thing happening when i used Red Hat on linux 2.4 a few years ago |
| 05:05.09 | ravehanker | No, sure though |
| 05:05.36 | ravehanker | s/No/Not |
| 05:07.47 | CP|too | The host controllers should be smart enough to turn on the power to the ports when they are enabled |
| 05:08.14 | ravehanker | CP|too:- So, it's probably a hardware problem> |
| 05:08.15 | ravehanker | ? |
| 05:08.21 | MonMotha | that's almost got to be a host problem |
| 05:08.28 | MonMotha | the port should always hav power on Vbus |
| 05:08.42 | MonMotha | 5V, the host is allowed to turn it off if you draw more than 100mA before enumerating |
| 05:09.01 | ravehanker | MonMotha:- What's ``before enumerating''? |
| 05:09.19 | MonMotha | as in before you pass your descriptors on to the OS. At that point you can ask for up to 500mA |
| 05:09.28 | MonMotha | you may or may not get it, but you can ask for it |
| 05:09.47 | ravehanker | MonMotha:- How do i pass descriptors, I merely plugged the thing in |
| 05:10.36 | MonMotha | that's the responsibility of the device |
| 05:10.45 | ravehanker | Ah, ok |
| 05:10.50 | MonMotha | basically what I'm saying is that when you first plug a device in, the port should have power on it |
| 05:10.59 | MonMotha | unless it's an unpowered OTG port, of course |
| 05:11.16 | MonMotha | (USB is amazingly complicated for how "simple" it ends up being for the end user) |
| 05:11.38 | ravehanker | MonMotha:- err, what's an unpowered OTG port? |
| 05:11.39 | CP|too | thats putting it lightly |
| 05:11.44 | ravehanker | heh |
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| 05:14.16 | ravehanker | CP|too:- MonMotha ok, One thing i know is that it's NOT usb 2.0 |
| 05:14.33 | ravehanker | MonMotha:- How do i power up and OTG port then? |
| 05:14.47 | CP|too | OTG is "on the go" - thats certainly not what you have |
| 05:14.59 | ravehanker | CP|too:- I see |
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| 05:22.11 | MonMotha | ravehanker: the way power is handled on USB didn't really change between 1.1 and 2.0 |
| 05:22.30 | MonMotha | the OTG addendum modified it, but you don't have one of those |
| 05:33.53 | MonMotha | oh, and who the hell at Xilinx decided to flip their busses around |
| 05:34.16 | MonMotha | there's a reason to write it as [31:0] instead of [0:31] |
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| 14:59.52 | isenbeck | wmat, you seen the plague in the last few days / |
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| 15:04.56 | prpplague | ~t0mw |
| 15:04.57 | purl | somebody said t0mw was at tom@openhardware.net, or has a website at http://www.openhardware.net |
| 15:04.57 | prpplague | ~seen t0mw |
| 15:05.22 | purl | t0mw <n=Tom@70.44.166.161.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 12h 36m 21s ago, saying: 'g'nite'. |
| 15:12.05 | wmat | isenbeck: I see him now |
| 15:12.34 | wmat | damn powersupply arrived broken from sparkfun yesterday! |
| 15:13.02 | isenbeck | wmat, yeah I found him |
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