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| 11:41.37 | The_Raven | hi all... |
| 11:42.12 | The_Raven | I'm having problems in compiling a toolchain for an ARM7TDMI which is MMU-less... |
| 11:42.30 | The_Raven | I'm using buildroot to build the toolchain... |
| 11:42.57 | The_Raven | the microcontroller is an LPC2468 by NXP... |
| 11:43.22 | The_Raven | I think the problems are ABI |
| 11:43.38 | The_Raven | what is the difference between EABI end OABI? |
| 11:43.55 | The_Raven | which one is better? |
| 12:00.32 | Crofton|laptop | I think EABI would be better, but I can't find a good description of the two |
| 12:22.45 | cbrake | The_Raven: this page has some information: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 12:23.20 | The_Raven | cbrake, thank you very much... |
| 12:23.36 | cbrake | The_Raven: there are also a few more links on this page: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OeFaq |
| 12:24.15 | cbrake | The_Raven: I don't think it matters a lot which one you use until you get into high end ARM processors with floating point, etc. |
| 12:24.31 | cbrake | The_Raven: for your processor, it probably does not matter too much. |
| 12:24.35 | The_Raven | I understand... |
| 12:24.47 | The_Raven | but I have problems in linking... |
| 12:25.13 | The_Raven | and I had to use readelf to see what was the problem... |
| 12:25.46 | The_Raven | in addition the readelf tool doesn't tell anything about OABI or EABI... |
| 12:25.54 | The_Raven | it shows... |
| 12:26.05 | The_Raven | Unix - System V... |
| 12:26.07 | The_Raven | or ARM |
| 12:26.20 | The_Raven | and so that's not too clear to me... |
| 12:27.13 | cbrake | The_Raven: what version of gcc are you using? |
| 12:27.22 | The_Raven | I would like to use 4.1.2 |
| 12:27.44 | The_Raven | but I have problems building that toolchain with uClibc |
| 12:28.46 | The_Raven | I have a working toolchain that uses gcc 2.95 |
| 12:29.32 | The_Raven | but it's very old and I would like to use something new... |
| 12:29.32 | The_Raven | =/ |
| 12:31.58 | The_Raven | thank you very much for the help... |
| 12:32.04 | The_Raven | now I have to go... |
| 12:32.14 | The_Raven | I'll come back tonight... |
| 12:32.19 | The_Raven | bye bye!!! |
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| 15:30.41 | ravehanker | hello, Is it possible to compile snapgear to run as an OS for my PC? |
| 15:42.16 | prpplague | ravehanker: hmm "compile snapgear" |
| 15:42.19 | prpplague | ravehanker: ?? |
| 15:42.48 | ravehanker | prpplague:- err, Sorry. Snapgear is a uclinux derived LInux distribution |
| 15:43.12 | prpplague | ravehanker: why would you want to run uclinux on a desktop pc? |
| 15:44.06 | ravehanker | prpplague:- I'm trying to make USB work on my network processor, but i need some additional hardware, I'm working on my under-grad project and i need to show a demo to my prof tomorrow |
| 15:44.21 | ravehanker | So, i was wondering if id be able to run it on my desktop and show the demo |
| 15:44.41 | prpplague | hehehehehe, not by tomorrow |
| 15:46.00 | ravehanker | prpplague:- not possible? or not easily possible? |
| 15:46.48 | ravehanker | prpplague:- If that is not possible, I'm also considering running it under qemu-arm, but i don't know what target machine to compile to |
| 15:50.24 | prpplague | ravehanker: d00d, you are going to be hard pressed to get something working at that level before tomorrow |
| 15:51.04 | ravehanker | prpplague:- Setting it up will take more than 24 hours? :D |
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| 16:01.52 | prpplague | ravehanker: yea |
| 16:02.20 | ravehanker | prpplague:- well, then i better get started now. Tell me what to do then ;) |
| 16:04.13 | prpplague | ravehanker: d00d, i got my own job to work on |
| 16:05.06 | ravehanker | prpplague:- heh, figured... any links/suggestion/key words that could help me out? |
| 16:05.40 | prpplague | ravehanker: http://www.google.com/linux |
| 16:05.51 | ravehanker | heh ok |
| 16:06.15 | prpplague | ravehanker: why aren't you using hardware that already has a usb host device available? |
| 16:10.08 | ravehanker | prpplague:- It has only a downstream USB port , which i was told that can't be used to connect other device |
| 16:10.25 | ravehanker | it can only apparently connect to hosts(PCs) |
| 16:13.24 | prpplague | ravehanker: right, so what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 16:14.46 | ravehanker | prpplague:- I'm trying to make my intel IXP425 network processor to read from a USB flash disk |
| 16:15.15 | ravehanker | The processor is an arm based one |
| 16:16.43 | prpplague | ravehanker: so again, why aren't you using a device that already has a usb host ? |
| 16:17.17 | ravehanker | prpplague:- It *doesn't* have a host port, It has a device only port |
| 16:22.21 | prpplague | ravehanker: hehe i know what the ixp425 has, i'm asking why you aren't using something that DOES have a usb host port |
| 16:22.53 | ravehanker | prpplague:- These boards are sponsored by Intel to our college, we weren't given a choice :) |
| 16:23.33 | ravehanker | prpplague:- Finally! Someone who's heard about IXP425! |
| 16:25.01 | ravehanker | prpplague:- I was just wondering, is it possible to connect external USB ports to the board, it has what are called minipci(i didn't know about all this, until now) and i've searched the whole of my city and couln't find a miniipci usb host interface |
| 16:25.48 | ravehanker | Even the people who sell stuff don't seem to have seen a minipci port |
| 16:28.32 | prpplague | ravehanker: you probably won't find a minipci card for usb host |
| 16:29.29 | ravehanker | prpplague:- I didn't find one over in the internet http://lists.soekris.com/pipermail/soekris-tech/2006-August/010863.html |
| 16:29.32 | prpplague | ravehanker: you could use something like the ISP1761 or SL811 |
| 16:32.03 | prpplague | ravehanker: why not use a sd/mmc interface, all you need is either a spi controller or 5 gpios |
| 16:32.41 | ravehanker | prpplague:- er, what's a sd/mmc interface? and what's spi and gpios :( |
| 16:33.16 | prpplague | ravehanker: hmm, and what is your major at the college? |
| 16:33.29 | ravehanker | prpplague:- Computer science |
| 16:33.48 | prpplague | ugh |
| 16:33.55 | ravehanker | prpplague:- as hard as it is for you, i am an engineering undergrad :( |
| 16:34.56 | ravehanker | prpplague:- I almost would have if it wasn't for the threats that i wouldn't be able to attend campus placements :) |
| 16:35.11 | ravehanker | prpplague:- Where did you do your college? |
| 16:35.18 | ravehanker | and what's your major? |
| 16:48.31 | prpplague | the two years of college i attended was a Louisiana Tech and it was Computer Engineering |
| 16:48.32 | Crofton|laptop | bah, you aren't even a grad slave |
| 16:51.03 | ravehanker | prpplague:- So, what do you do now? |
| 16:51.08 | CosmicPenguin | nothing |
| 16:51.14 | ravehanker | heh |
| 16:51.38 | ravehanker | freedom in another 3 months! |
| 16:53.33 | Crofton|laptop | what if you don't finish your project? |
| 16:53.44 | Crofton|laptop | what school ravehanker |
| 16:55.01 | ravehanker | Crofton|laptop:- Not much actually, I'll just end up with a lower grade. I don't think my profs would be so heartless to fail us our very last course |
| 16:55.15 | ravehanker | atleast hasn't happened yet :) |
| 16:55.51 | ravehanker | Crofton|laptop:- I'm doing my engineering in College of Engineering, Guindy in Chennai(India) |
| 16:55.52 | Crofton|laptop | heh |
| 16:55.56 | Crofton|laptop | ah |
| 16:56.05 | Crofton|laptop | Virginia Tech here |
| 16:56.45 | ravehanker | Crofton|laptop:- Nice to meet you :) which major and year? |
| 16:57.35 | Crofton|laptop | way to long MS |
| 16:59.09 | ravehanker | I see |
| 16:59.29 | ravehanker | http://cs.annauniv.edu/ |
| 17:26.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doing nothing AND getting paid for it |
| 17:26.18 | ravehanker | prpplague:- Nice! who's paying you? |
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| 17:30.35 | prpplague | http://www.amltd.com |
| 17:34.29 | LyosNorezel2 | ravehanker: I did find a miniPCI 4 port USB card once. I even bought one... was bout $60 after taxes and shipping |
| 17:34.40 | LyosNorezel2 | was very hard to find though |
| 17:34.49 | ravehanker | LyosNorezel:- Where are you from? |
| 17:34.57 | LyosNorezel2 | USA |
| 17:36.02 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: what chipset was it? |
| 17:36.25 | ravehanker | LyosNorezel:- I don't think i'ld be able to find it in Chennai then :| |
| 17:36.55 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: I forget... think it started with "N" though |
| 17:37.16 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: thats helpful |
| 17:37.22 | LyosNorezel2 | heh |
| 17:37.30 | ravehanker | LyosNorezel:- Was is NEC? |
| 17:37.38 | LyosNorezel2 | give me a few mins... I might be able to dig out the card |
| 17:37.53 | LyosNorezel2 | ravehanker: might have been |
| 17:38.18 | ravehanker | could have been this then http://www.necel.com/usb/en/product/upd720101.html |
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| 17:45.02 | LyosNorezel2 | if you can figure out when I discussed my DLink stuff in here... I posted a link to the card I bought |
| 17:45.58 | GPSFan | ravehanker: you might ask (nicely) in #nslu2-linux, that is where a lot of development of IXP42x kernel stuff has gone on. also check out the nslu2 itself and the GW2348-4 (IXP425 based). |
| 17:46.17 | GPSFan | ravehanker: nslu2 is a IXP420 |
| 17:46.31 | LyosNorezel2 | http://www.ieci.com.au/products/Product_Page2.asp?Product_ID=3530 |
| 17:46.52 | GPSFan | ravehanker: with an NEC USB2 host controller. |
| 17:47.17 | ravehanker | GPSFan:- yeah, I've heard about it. Its just that i feared that i'd end up being flamed for asking in the wrong channel. :) |
| 17:47.40 | ravehanker | GPSFan:- Oh, I didn't know there was a #nslu2-linux |
| 17:47.50 | ravehanker | I've only been to #nslu2 |
| 17:47.50 | LyosNorezel2 | http://www.neutronexpress.com/prod.cfm/374905/AAEON_SYSTEMS/PER-C20U-A10/MINI_PCI_4_PORT_USB_2.0_MODULE_WITH_NEC |
| 17:48.00 | LyosNorezel2 | ^that's the link^ |
| 17:48.06 | LyosNorezel2 | 55.00USD |
| 17:48.07 | GPSFan | ravehanker: then try one of the nslu2 user channels. the -linux one is only for developers. |
| 17:48.26 | ravehanker | GPSFan:- Thanks! |
| 17:48.39 | ravehanker | LyosNorezel:- That's the one i found too, Same Chipset |
| 17:48.46 | LyosNorezel2 | yeah |
| 17:48.58 | GPSFan | ravehanker: the irc logs are on line here: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ |
| 17:49.01 | ravehanker | but 55 USD is a LOT! That to in INR :) |
| 17:49.02 | LyosNorezel2 | doubt you can get it as fast as ye need though |
| 17:49.08 | ravehanker | GPSFan:- Thanks! |
| 17:49.47 | GPSFan | ravehanker: np... |
| 17:51.59 | prpplague | yea that chip is major power hungry |
| 17:53.04 | LyosNorezel2 | yep |
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| 18:21.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just got my sdio connection on the 88w8385 working |
| 18:21.57 | CosmicPenguin | ah - nice |
| 18:22.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not fully functional yet, but i got a init response |
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| 20:11.30 | The_Raven | does anyone of you know the toolchains provided by codesourcery? |
| 20:13.13 | prpplague | The_Raven: why not try codesourcery support? |
| 20:13.51 | The_Raven | I was looking at codesourcery FAQ... |
| 20:14.35 | The_Raven | but I can't finf the difference between ARM EABI and ARM Gnu/Linux |
| 20:14.36 | prpplague | The_Raven: ok, so what makes you think we will provide tech support on their toolchain work? |
| 20:15.00 | The_Raven | I think it is a general question... |
| 20:15.05 | The_Raven | about ARM and Linux... |
| 20:15.18 | The_Raven | not specific to codesourcery... |
| 20:15.25 | The_Raven | but I may be wrong... |
| 20:15.30 | The_Raven | so I'm asking... |
| 20:15.31 | The_Raven | =P |
| 20:15.38 | prpplague | The_Raven: that may be the case, but thats not what you asked |
| 20:15.46 | prpplague | <The_Raven> does anyone of you know the toolchains provided by codesourcery? |
| 20:15.50 | The_Raven | you're right... |
| 20:15.53 | The_Raven | I'm sorry... |
| 20:16.10 | The_Raven | the question had to be: |
| 20:16.59 | The_Raven | "Does anyone know the difference between the ARM EABI and the ARM GNU/Linux toolchains by codesourcery?" |
| 20:17.40 | prpplague | The_Raven: subtract the "by codesourcery" and you'd have a valid question, hehe |
| 20:18.04 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: smartarse ;-) |
| 20:18.08 | The_Raven | yes, sorry... |
| 20:18.33 | The_Raven | I need a toolchain for an ARM7TDMI... |
| 20:18.44 | The_Raven | I've tried to compile it myself... |
| 20:18.47 | prpplague | The_Raven: http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/ABI.htm |
| 20:18.47 | The_Raven | to use uClibc... |
| 20:18.58 | The_Raven | but I found a lot of problems... |
| 20:19.06 | The_Raven | so I am looking for a precompiled one... |
| 20:19.11 | prpplague | The_Raven: EABI is nothing more than the newer ABI |
| 20:19.26 | The_Raven | I read it... |
| 20:19.43 | The_Raven | but I read also that linux kernel 2.6.16 or newer... |
| 20:19.50 | The_Raven | supported that ABI... |
| 20:19.52 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: i have thing for companies like codesourcery who sell opensource code and then expect people to support it for free |
| 20:20.03 | The_Raven | so I was wondering where is the difference... |
| 20:20.12 | prpplague | The_Raven: it can support the old ABI or the newer one EABI |
| 20:20.46 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: heh |
| 20:21.05 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: I still say you're a smartarse ;-) |
| 20:21.29 | prpplague | The_Raven: EABI is specifically designed for Embedded |
| 20:21.40 | The_Raven | that's what I need... |
| 20:21.48 | The_Raven | ARM7TDMI has no MMU... |
| 20:21.53 | prpplague | ARM announced its EABI nearly four years ago, with the release of version 2.0 of its RealView compiler collection. Described as a "cross-platform standard developed by ARM, in collaboration with major OS and tools vendors," the EABI provides a standard way for programs and libraries to interact with processor hardware -- including ARM's VFP (vector floating point) coprocessor and Cirrus's Maverick Crunch floating point unit (FPU). |
| 20:22.04 | The_Raven | I'll use uClinux... |
| 20:22.24 | prpplague | you don't nessarilly have to have EABI for embedded |
| 20:23.16 | The_Raven | but as far as I know (as I read it on the web) the way to go is to use EABI... |
| 20:23.19 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: yea, well you work you ass off and see some other company get the money on your work, then you can comment |
| 20:23.27 | The_Raven | because that will be the new standard... |
| 20:23.35 | LyosNorezel2 | prpplague: heh |
| 20:23.56 | prpplague | The_Raven: "standard" really has no meaning in the world of embedded |
| 20:24.18 | The_Raven | I know it... |
| 20:24.36 | The_Raven | but I want to use linux because it is "more standard"... |
| 20:24.37 | The_Raven | =P |
| 20:25.21 | The_Raven | in addition RealView will use EABI... |
| 20:26.30 | prpplague | why use tools like RealView and Codesourcery? why not just use open source tools |
| 20:26.51 | The_Raven | I'm trying to use gcc... |
| 20:27.03 | The_Raven | I found codesourcery from here... |
| 20:27.16 | The_Raven | http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 20:27.26 | The_Raven | in the section EABI status... |
| 20:28.49 | prpplague | thats over a year old |
| 20:29.14 | The_Raven | That is another problem... |
| 20:29.25 | The_Raven | everything I find on the web is very old... |
| 20:29.46 | prpplague | The_Raven: that might give you a clue that it has been intergrated in |
| 20:29.46 | The_Raven | some of the tools don't compile on newer kernel... |
| 20:30.00 | prpplague | The_Raven: OE already has support for EABI |
| 20:30.11 | The_Raven | OE? |
| 20:30.55 | prpplague | openembedded |
| 20:31.59 | LyosNorezel2 | which is a carriage return in hex? 0D0A? or 0A0D? |
| 20:34.57 | prpplague | LyosNorezel2: neither, a CR is just 0x0D |
| 20:35.27 | The_Raven | 0x0A id LF (line feed) |
| 20:35.30 | LyosNorezel2 | hmmm |
| 20:35.30 | The_Raven | *is |
| 20:35.43 | LyosNorezel2 | CRLF? |
| 20:35.59 | The_Raven | CR LF = 0x0D 0x0A |
| 20:36.07 | LyosNorezel2 | ok |
| 20:39.23 | LyosNorezel2 | damn... I'd forgotten how _long_ hex made everything... |
| 20:39.42 | LyosNorezel2 | this 737kb file is 737 printed pages |
| 20:40.04 | The_Raven | =) |
| 20:42.20 | The_Raven | does anyone of you tried to compile a toolchain using buildroot? |
| 20:43.00 | The_Raven | *has |
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| 21:02.15 | prpplague | The_Raven: all the time |
| 21:03.02 | The_Raven | I have problems in compiling uClibc for the toolchain... |
| 21:03.29 | The_Raven | while it compiles, it configure it with wrong switches... |
| 21:03.40 | The_Raven | so I stop the make... |
| 21:04.07 | The_Raven | and use the make menuconfig by hand in the uClibc directory.. |
| 21:04.23 | The_Raven | when I try to continue using the buildroot system... |
| 21:04.40 | The_Raven | I get errors... |
| 21:07.07 | The_Raven | maybe I fixed it now... |
| 21:07.12 | The_Raven | =) |
| 21:42.35 | The_Raven | readahead.c:45: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'off64_t'readahead.c: In function 'readahead': |
| 21:42.35 | The_Raven | readahead.c:47: error: 'offset' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 21:42.35 | The_Raven | readahead.c:47: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 21:42.35 | The_Raven | readahead.c:47: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 21:42.46 | The_Raven | I get this error using buildroot... |
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| 21:51.45 | Albinotux | Hello, I am trying to comile ARM binaries on a pc, I'm having some issues with building. |
| 21:52.05 | The_Raven | what toolchain do you use? |
| 21:52.28 | Crofton | what is parking like atm? |
| 21:52.37 | Crofton | bother, focus |
| 21:53.18 | Albinotux | The first chain I tried was supplied by www.xbow.com platformx stargate |
| 21:54.40 | The_Raven | what is the compiler? |
| 21:54.53 | Albinotux | arm-linux-gcc |
| 21:54.59 | The_Raven | version? |
| 21:55.11 | Albinotux | 3.3.2 |
| 21:55.18 | The_Raven | ok... |
| 21:55.26 | The_Raven | and what is the problem? |
| 21:55.34 | Albinotux | The_Raven: /home/acsl/xxx/usr/local/arm/3.3.2/bin/../lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3.2/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find /usr/local/arm/3.3.2/lib/libc.so.6 |
| 21:56.01 | Albinotux | Now, I dont' have access to /usr/local/ |
| 21:56.14 | Albinotux | so I've placed everything in my home directory |
| 21:56.41 | Albinotux | and changed the makefile to look in the correct places for the include and lib |
| 21:56.52 | The_Raven | that's a problem... |
| 21:57.02 | The_Raven | ld looks in /usr/local |
| 21:57.08 | Albinotux | but ld doesn't seem to want to look in those files. |
| 21:57.11 | The_Raven | to link executables... |
| 21:57.13 | Albinotux | *foldrers |
| 21:57.38 | The_Raven | as far as I know the configuration of ld is done at compile time... |
| 21:57.57 | The_Raven | so I think that you have to recompile the toolchain... |
| 21:58.07 | Albinotux | This that difficult? |
| 21:58.24 | Albinotux | I mean, Is that difficult. |
| 21:58.27 | Albinotux | sorry. |
| 21:58.35 | The_Raven | I am trying to do that... |
| 21:58.35 | The_Raven | =P |
| 21:58.49 | The_Raven | I try to use gcc 4.1 |
| 21:59.03 | Albinotux | I have a copiled binary for that |
| 21:59.19 | The_Raven | ? |
| 21:59.37 | Albinotux | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/projects/toolchain |
| 22:00.48 | The_Raven | If you want to compile a toolchain that uses as a standard library implementation uClibc... |
| 22:00.54 | The_Raven | you may go to: |
| 22:01.00 | The_Raven | buildroot.uclibc.org |
| 22:01.18 | The_Raven | there you can find a tool to configure and build your own toolchain... |
| 22:02.10 | Albinotux | The only issue I have is that I don't know what all needs to be done for the "stargate" device, so I don't know what I'd need to include in the tool chain |
| 22:02.39 | The_Raven | I don't even know what is the "stargate" device... |
| 22:03.45 | Albinotux | http://platformx.sourceforge.net/Links/resource.html#BuildTools |
| 22:06.49 | The_Raven | I see... |
| 22:07.05 | The_Raven | maybe you can use chroot |
| 22:08.22 | Albinotux | nope |
| 22:11.11 | The_Raven | ? |
| 22:11.17 | The_Raven | uhm... |
| 22:11.31 | The_Raven | then I think the only solution is to recompile the toolchain... |
| 22:13.09 | The_Raven | from buildroot I get this error: |
| 22:13.11 | The_Raven | configure: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES. |
| 22:13.22 | The_Raven | make[2]: *** [configure-target-libstdc++-v3] Error 1 |
| 22:13.28 | The_Raven | any suggestions? |
| 22:16.11 | Albinotux | Zilch. |
| 22:51.58 | The_Raven | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 22:52.35 | The_Raven | does anyone know what can be the problem? |
| 22:55.28 | CosmicPenguin | your compiler can't create executables |
| 22:55.31 | CosmicPenguin | seems pretty straight forard |
| 22:55.36 | The_Raven | ok... |
| 22:55.48 | The_Raven | how can I make it create them? |
| 22:56.13 | CosmicPenguin | well - usually the reason is because the compiler you specified isn't really a compiler |
| 22:56.40 | CosmicPenguin | or its a cross-compiler and you didn't tell your configure script that you are cross compiling |
| 22:57.10 | The_Raven | it is a cross-compiler... |
| 22:57.36 | The_Raven | but the configure script is called by buildroot... |