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| 02:09.59 | ecornips | anyone here have any experience with compiling phoneME (J2ME jvm) on i686 w/ucblic? |
| 02:09.59 | ecornips | uClibc even |
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| 14:07.46 | d-d-c | i've tested pci-soundblaster-live |
| 14:08.07 | d-d-c | walnut OSS is not working |
| 14:08.10 | d-d-c | :'( |
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| 14:49.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning crack baby |
| 14:49.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you see 300 yet? |
| 14:52.39 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 14:52.48 | CosmicPenguin | the AV Club panned it |
| 14:53.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 14:53.09 | CosmicPenguin | was it any good? |
| 14:53.13 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:54.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not that my opinion counts for much, but personally, it was the best movie i've seen since star wars |
| 14:54.17 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 14:54.25 | CosmicPenguin | but here's a question for you - did you like Sin City? |
| 14:54.32 | prpplague | yea, i did |
| 14:54.33 | chouimat | prpplague: wow ... the critics said it was CRAP :) |
| 14:54.50 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, thats why it made $70 over the weekend |
| 14:55.02 | prpplague | $70million |
| 14:55.09 | CosmicPenguin | But we'll see what it does this weekend |
| 14:55.16 | CosmicPenguin | thats the real story - word of mouth |
| 14:55.37 | prpplague | yea, well every showing at the imax (8 shows a day) is sold out for the next 2 weeks |
| 14:56.20 | chouimat | prpplague: once you learn "how to watch or read" in university you loose the capacity to enjoy what you do |
| 14:56.29 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 14:58.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, if you can go to a movie tavern to watch it, you definetly want a good glass of beer to salute at the end |
| 14:59.47 | CosmicPenguin | Good advice |
| 15:00.08 | chouimat | prpplague: I dated a girl who was studying in cinema (critic) ... last 2 months ... she broke up because I wasn't able to enjoy quality movies ... most of them where so boring that I was sleeping after 20 minutes ... and I had another 2h30 to go ;) |
| 15:00.18 | chouimat | s/last/lasted |
| 15:00.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:00.30 | prpplague | btdt |
| 15:01.06 | chouimat | prpplague: it's too bad ... because she has a really nice butt :) |
| 15:03.00 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:03.25 | d-d-c | damn this damn DMA |
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| 15:53.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did you see the guy who fix X on a ROM with LInuxBIOS? |
| 15:53.14 | CosmicPenguin | s/fix/fit/ |
| 15:54.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i saw a brief mention of it, but haven't had time to check it out |
| 15:54.24 | CosmicPenguin | He |
| 15:54.42 | CosmicPenguin | is putting it into buildrom (http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=users/jcrouse/buildrom;a=summary) |
| 15:55.03 | prpplague | cool |
| 15:55.09 | CosmicPenguin | But the problem is that buildrom doesn't scale very well - I think we should start thinking about how buildroot and buildrom can complement each other |
| 15:55.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 15:55.40 | CosmicPenguin | Obviously, the simplest thing would be that buildrom just download buildroot and build a payload |
| 15:55.53 | CosmicPenguin | but we'll have some very nasty nested makefiles |
| 15:56.23 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, they could always build the payload separately and plug it into the buildrom |
| 15:57.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what kind of size did they end up with for the X? |
| 15:57.09 | CosmicPenguin | He fit it in a 2MB ROM |
| 15:57.17 | CosmicPenguin | But LinuxBIOS only takes about 32k of that |
| 15:57.22 | prpplague | interesting |
| 15:57.39 | prpplague | i'll have to have a look |
| 15:58.54 | d-d-c | is the walnut DHT being to be not interesting here ? |
| 15:59.41 | prpplague | d-d-c: there are a number of people here that have worked with the walnut, but they appear to not be available for discussion at the momment |
| 16:00.01 | d-d-c | who are they ? |
| 16:00.11 | d-d-c | i can leave a pvt message to them |
| 16:00.49 | CosmicPenguin | just relax and watch the conversation |
| 16:00.49 | prpplague | d-d-c: generally private messaging is not good etiquet |
| 16:00.59 | d-d-c | why not ? |
| 16:01.31 | d-d-c | ... also i'd like to show you a board i find googling |
| 16:01.34 | d-d-c | can i ? |
| 16:01.46 | prpplague | because there are probably other people who might want to ask the same questions |
| 16:02.09 | prpplague | d-d-c: sure just don't get cut and paste happy |
| 16:02.15 | d-d-c | https://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php |
| 16:02.33 | d-d-c | low price, good hw, i think |
| 16:03.15 | agaffney | heh, we know all about the efika |
| 16:03.21 | agaffney | many of us already have one of those, too |
| 16:03.38 | d-d-c | :) |
| 16:03.43 | agaffney | except we got our boards for free |
| 16:03.49 | d-d-c | :| |
| 16:03.51 | d-d-c | for free ? |
| 16:03.59 | agaffney | yes, developer program |
| 16:04.09 | d-d-c | could i do ? |
| 16:04.12 | agaffney | nope |
| 16:04.19 | agaffney | we had to sign up over a year ago |
| 16:04.29 | d-d-c | gosh |
| 16:04.37 | agaffney | and we got them a few months ago |
| 16:04.45 | d-d-c | 160 euro + shippung |
| 16:04.50 | d-d-c | not so expensive |
| 16:05.01 | d-d-c | the hw seems to be good |
| 16:05.02 | agaffney | yes, but it's more expensive than free :P |
| 16:05.21 | d-d-c | what do you want me to say ? |
| 16:05.27 | d-d-c | you are lucky ;) |
| 16:05.30 | agaffney | and yes, the hardware is decent |
| 16:05.46 | agaffney | 400MHz PPC603e (equivelant) |
| 16:05.54 | agaffney | 128MB RAM (iirc) |
| 16:06.15 | d-d-c | it could replace the use of this walnut |
| 16:06.37 | agaffney | yes, it's better than the walnut |
| 16:06.43 | agaffney | but they both have their uses |
| 16:06.52 | d-d-c | the walnut ? |
| 16:06.58 | d-d-c | the only use i can realize |
| 16:07.03 | d-d-c | is as NAS ! |
| 16:07.14 | d-d-c | everything else is not good |
| 16:07.14 | agaffney | then you don't have a very good imagination |
| 16:07.18 | agaffney | I have a few projects in mind |
| 16:07.24 | d-d-c | tell me ... |
| 16:07.31 | d-d-c | on the wiki i read |
| 16:07.32 | agaffney | a serial console server, a networked music player, etc. |
| 16:07.38 | d-d-c | no ! |
| 16:07.44 | d-d-c | music is not possible ! |
| 16:07.47 | d-d-c | we are discussing it |
| 16:08.04 | d-d-c | ipod use is trashed |
| 16:08.35 | d-d-c | or do you really want to use usb + usb-player ? |
| 16:08.48 | agaffney | eh? |
| 16:09.03 | agaffney | I'm talking about something that hooks to my stereo receiver and plays MP3s |
| 16:09.07 | d-d-c | there is no working pci soundboard |
| 16:09.09 | agaffney | that it reads across the network |
| 16:09.15 | agaffney | yes, but there is usb audio |
| 16:09.26 | d-d-c | and what i say you ? |
| 16:09.37 | agaffney | that's what *I* would do |
| 16:09.40 | agaffney | you don't have to do that |
| 16:09.46 | d-d-c | :) |
| 16:09.55 | d-d-c | personally i will close the box |
| 16:09.57 | agaffney | and the USB card I've got has an internal USB port |
| 16:09.59 | d-d-c | and use it as NAS |
| 16:10.09 | agaffney | I may plug it in internally and run extensions to the back of the case |
| 16:10.23 | d-d-c | mmmm this sound good |
| 16:11.44 | d-d-c | the pegaso has 2x USB ports and onchip sound |
| 16:11.45 | d-d-c | wow |
| 16:12.14 | d-d-c | with a matrox m1 on the pci bus, it could be used as thin X11 xterm |
| 16:13.15 | d-d-c | - |
| 16:13.30 | d-d-c | agaffney i've an other prject to listen to an mp3 broadcated on the net |
| 16:13.55 | d-d-c | i mean to use a little tini-jave (by dallas) that has a lan chip and i2c bus |
| 16:14.21 | d-d-c | on the i2c it could be plugged an hw chip that decodes an mp3 stream to sound |
| 16:14.34 | d-d-c | the total will costs $50 + $40 |
| 16:14.58 | d-d-c | and you could have an excuse to learn java |
| 16:15.50 | agaffney | I hate it |
| 16:15.56 | agaffney | it's an evil language |
| 16:16.09 | d-d-c | ok |
| 16:16.15 | d-d-c | you could swith to C |
| 16:16.24 | d-d-c | using SDCC package |
| 16:16.44 | d-d-c | this boad is supported by java and by C |
| 16:16.51 | d-d-c | you only have to choose |
| 16:16.52 | d-d-c | ;) |
| 16:17.19 | d-d-c | personally i will choose java (i hate it, too), but i think i'd better learn more |
| 16:18.27 | d-d-c | p.s. the tinijava board by maxim is equipped by a special version of 8051 microprocessor |
| 16:18.58 | d-d-c | it runs 40Mhz and it has LAN, 2 UART, 1MB addressable ram, i2c, 1wire |
| 16:19.10 | d-d-c | it sounds very good ! |
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| 17:46.11 | MonMotha | d-d-c: you talking about the 80C400? |
| 17:46.18 | MonMotha | that chip...kinda sucks |
| 17:46.42 | MonMotha | might as well just use a small ARM7TDMI like a NXP LPC or Atmel SAM series |
| 17:46.59 | MonMotha | faster and easier to program |
| 17:47.04 | MonMotha | and the documentation tends to be better |
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| 17:54.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: re crack baby |
| 18:15.33 | d-d-c | <MonMotha> yes |
| 18:15.47 | d-d-c | personally i've got the previous serie |
| 18:15.52 | d-d-c | the 390 |
| 18:16.27 | d-d-c | i like to make up an ethernet eprom emulator for a part of my university project |
| 18:16.41 | d-d-c | the on board java VM is perfect to do it easy |
| 18:16.57 | d-d-c | just to connect an external 1Mb addressable ram |
| 18:17.07 | d-d-c | and to write 200 java lines |
| 18:17.19 | d-d-c | and all will go as it must |
| 18:17.28 | d-d-c | - |
| 18:17.37 | MonMotha | I've just always found the documentation and resources for the Dallas chips to be lacking |
| 18:17.44 | MonMotha | ARM dev tools and library code are everywhere |
| 18:17.50 | d-d-c | ok |
| 18:18.12 | d-d-c | documentatione and dev tools are free |
| 18:18.20 | d-d-c | just install java or sdcc |
| 18:18.29 | d-d-c | and download the pdf books from dallas |
| 18:18.33 | MonMotha | I didn't say expensive, I said lacking |
| 18:18.47 | MonMotha | compared to gcc and glibc, sdcc is definitely lacking |
| 18:18.47 | d-d-c | lacking of what ? |
| 18:18.53 | MonMotha | now, i fyou move into the Java arena, it gets better |
| 18:18.59 | MonMotha | but slow |
| 18:19.06 | d-d-c | mmmm |
| 18:19.13 | d-d-c | i don't think so |
| 18:19.25 | MonMotha | compared to a 40MHz ARM, it's slow :) |
| 18:19.25 | d-d-c | it'faster as it should be |
| 18:19.31 | d-d-c | ok |
| 18:19.54 | d-d-c | is there an equivalent arm7 board ? |
| 18:20.15 | d-d-c | i mean cpu, lan, 1Mb addressable, uart, i2c ? |
| 18:20.36 | d-d-c | i need just these resorces |
| 18:20.53 | MonMotha | Olimex has tons |
| 18:21.02 | d-d-c | url ? |
| 18:21.42 | MonMotha | www.sparkfun.com sells them |
| 18:22.26 | MonMotha | The AT91SAM7X256 board I think meets your requirements sans the addressable flash (though it has an SD socket) |
| 18:23.00 | d-d-c | i need 1Mb addressable space |
| 18:23.10 | d-d-c | to connect a special circuit i made |
| 18:23.12 | MonMotha | Mb or MB? |
| 18:23.19 | d-d-c | Mbyte |
| 18:23.24 | MonMotha | that would be MB |
| 18:23.26 | MonMotha | there's a huge difference |
| 18:23.32 | d-d-c | 20pins of addresses |
| 18:23.40 | d-d-c | and 5v device |
| 18:23.53 | MonMotha | the SAM7X's IOs are 5V tolerant |
| 18:24.00 | d-d-c | perfect ! |
| 18:24.02 | MonMotha | now, I'm not sure how many they bring out on that board |
| 18:24.20 | d-d-c | :) |
| 18:24.42 | MonMotha | hum, I guess they're using them all for other things on that particular board |
| 18:24.45 | d-d-c | eprom emulator on arm7 board |
| 18:24.45 | d-d-c | it sounds good |
| 18:24.47 | MonMotha | they do have plain old header boards |
| 18:25.14 | MonMotha | just have to pick one with the ethernet interface onboard |
| 18:25.48 | MonMotha | Olimex unfortunately doesn't put those on most of the time, for whatever reason (I guess they don't want to pay for the PHY) |
| 18:26.02 | MonMotha | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8107 |
| 18:26.02 | d-d-c | d'oh |
| 18:26.21 | MonMotha | does just about everything you need, though the ARM it uses doesn't haev onboard ethernet (they used an external controller) |
| 18:27.12 | MonMotha | I'm not sure that the LPC series is available with an onboard ethernet MAC. That seems more popular with Atmel |
| 18:27.46 | d-d-c | :) ok i will consider this idea |
| 18:28.10 | MonMotha | there's the old RM9200 that everybody loved for a while. You can run full blown Linux on that one |
| 18:28.21 | MonMotha | if you've already got an 80C400 dev board that works, use it |
| 18:28.24 | MonMotha | I'm just not fond of the chip |
| 18:28.35 | d-d-c | i've got the 80C390 |
| 18:28.56 | d-d-c | and the project is ready and working |
| 18:29.10 | d-d-c | but ... it's interesting to consider other ideas |
| 18:29.11 | d-d-c | ;) |
| 18:29.39 | d-d-c | eprom emulator via lan |
| 18:30.04 | MonMotha | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8228 might work for you |
| 18:30.06 | d-d-c | is a good tool where you can't have jtag or lan to download your code |
| 18:30.07 | MonMotha | that's an ST arm |
| 18:31.13 | d-d-c | a lot of hw on this board, wow |
| 18:31.16 | MonMotha | if you're designing a custom board in the end, then I'd say go with the Atmel 91SAM7X64/128/256 or that ST |
| 18:31.34 | MonMotha | I like Atmel because they are usually very forthcoming with documentation and development info |
| 18:31.36 | d-d-c | no, i can't design |
| 18:31.41 | MonMotha | that and I know a sales rep |
| 18:31.48 | d-d-c | :) |
| 18:32.00 | d-d-c | ok, thank you for your ideas and suggestions |
| 18:32.18 | d-d-c | i have the dinner, now, let me say "thank you, and bye" |
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