| 00:03.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well, good luck |
| 00:10.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no luck needed, management has already can' |
| 00:10.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: canned the libertas, in favor of aethros with close source driver |
| 00:10.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: real shame though, marvell is loosing out imho |
| 00:16.18 | prpplague | hehe "cowboys" is on tv |
| 00:16.21 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe yea |
| 00:17.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just like so many other things these days |
| 00:17.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm surprised at your response though |
| 00:17.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the big biz culture of AMD starting to sink in? |
| 00:18.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or do i just whine to much? |
| 00:19.35 | prpplague | "cowboys" is only one of three movies that john waynes' character dies in the movie |
| 00:25.59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats really funny, but the truth of the matter is that you knew going in that Marvell didn't care about you |
| 00:26.00 | CosmicPenguin | or Linux |
| 00:26.20 | CosmicPenguin | all the Linux users in the world could go away tommorrow, and they wouldn't lose an minute of sleep |
| 00:27.34 | CosmicPenguin | But that only rates a too bad - you can't rage against the machine if the machine isn't interested in fighting back - just find another machine |
| 00:31.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed if you equate linux with free, we are paying customers |
| 00:31.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 30-40k units per year didn't even warrant a double look from marvell |
| 00:31.49 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 00:31.58 | CosmicPenguin | does that surprise you? |
| 00:32.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: actuall yes, since samsung, sharp and NEC all are pretty darn interested in our busines |
| 00:33.55 | CosmicPenguin | have you asked of them what you asked of Marvell? |
| 00:35.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: for enough data to properly implement the device they are selling? of course |
| 00:36.18 | CosmicPenguin | You are being too idealistic |
| 00:36.21 | CosmicPenguin | and you are taking it too hard |
| 00:37.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably true on both accounts |
| 00:37.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just frustrated with their attitude |
| 00:40.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but you think that its idealistic that a company trying to sell a product would want their potential customers to know how to use it? would you sell a dvd player without a manual? |
| 00:43.54 | chouimat | prpplague: yes ... if you can only play one zone and have only play/stop/fastforward/rewind/eject/power :) |
| 00:51.58 | CosmicPenguin | I think it is idealistic to expect that 30-40k units a year would even rate a warm body to talk to |
| 00:52.13 | CosmicPenguin | I think thats much more rare then you expect |
| 00:52.53 | CosmicPenguin | Thats not to say I agree with that - all companies who purport to make embedded devices should realize the size of their customers |
| 00:53.18 | CosmicPenguin | But thats not the way of the world - heck, even OLPC has trouble getting face to face time, and they'll supposedly buy 10 million units a year |
| 01:04.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: see i find that odd, since we always get face to face with companies like samsung and intel |
| 01:06.13 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but your company has been working with Intel for how long? 10 years? |
| 01:06.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 7 years |
| 01:06.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but samsung was fresh last year |
| 01:06.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: first usage |
| 01:07.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they were more than happy to go against intel and sharp in the small market |
| 01:17.29 | Crofton | Summary of link sent earlier: What upsets us, is that we do not know if it is a joke, or if they are serious |
| 01:17.50 | Crofton | I get this also from another freind of mine ... |
| 01:19.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you're almost answering your own questions - you have a company you've been with nearly since they started producing StrongARMs, and you have another company thats interested in making inroads into the market |
| 01:19.54 | CosmicPenguin | Marvell doesn't see the embedded market, because for them the embedded market doesn't exist - so you're just another NIC buyer |
| 01:22.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i see your point |
| 01:24.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the question is why marvell doesn't see the embedded market as a via market? |
| 01:44.14 | CosmicPenguin | probably because the numbers are so low |
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| 02:43.30 | flyback | yeah marvel will lift the nda's about the same time my hemmroids feel good |
| 02:44.45 | flyback | I hope philips, atmel, and samsung rape marvel to death |
| 02:44.51 | flyback | and then rape the dead corpse a few times |
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| 02:45.31 | *** kick/#edev [flyback!n=nobody@www.crouse-house.com] by CosmicPenguin (CosmicPenguin) |
| 02:48.30 | MonMotha | jeesh |
| 02:51.00 | prpplague | agreed |
| 02:51.19 | prpplague | took a whole 3 days for him to get kicked |
| 02:51.28 | MonMotha | yeah...I'm not sure where he gets it from |
| 02:52.17 | CosmicPenguin | He's mad at me because he think I kicked him for talking trash about Marvell |
| 02:53.35 | MonMotha | he doesn't seem to get it |
| 02:53.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe, i was typing the exact same words |
| 02:54.04 | CosmicPenguin | I told him if he had said "Marvell sucks!" or "Marvell would never change" - that it would be acceptable |
| 02:54.06 | CosmicPenguin | so much anger |
| 02:54.26 | MonMotha | I, as well, would not be sad if Marvell is either muscled out of the market or forced to change policies by the others |
| 02:54.32 | MonMotha | but his word choice... |
| 02:54.45 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:55.40 | MonMotha | the thing that Marvell doesn't seem to realize is that there are lots of embedded projects out there where only a few thousand or even hundred are going to be made |
| 02:55.57 | MonMotha | NXP, Atmel, Samsung, and even TI are fairly friendly to such projects |
| 02:55.59 | MonMotha | Marvell is...not |
| 02:57.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: not even that, there are vendors building modules based on marvells stuff like zcomax, problem is not even they can release the info for intergrating their own modules |
| 02:57.50 | prpplague | very frustrating situation |
| 02:57.55 | MonMotha | indeed |
| 02:58.05 | prpplague | later folks |
| 02:58.23 | MonMotha | gn |
| 02:58.34 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 14:17.41 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:41.07 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: ping |
| 14:41.23 | dfarnsworth | yo, prpplague |
| 14:41.32 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: hey, question |
| 14:42.04 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: socket's Go WiFi module, they list MV as having support for their module |
| 14:42.26 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: you know anything about that? its a mediatek MT5911 based 802.11 chip |
| 14:43.00 | dfarnsworth | I'd have to do some research to avoid making up an answer |
| 14:43.07 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: hehe |
| 14:43.14 | dfarnsworth | in other words: I'm clueless about that |
| 14:43.33 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: np, i thought maybe you might know |
| 14:43.45 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: seems like a nice product though |
| 14:49.43 | dfarnsworth | prpplague, Well, my search came up fruitless |
| 14:49.58 | dfarnsworth | of course, that doesn't mean much. :) |
| 14:50.18 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: yea, thanks anyway |
| 14:50.35 | dfarnsworth | np |
| 14:50.39 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: i keep seeing alot of references to MV and atheros, but i don't see anyone actually selling it |
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| 14:52.43 | dfarnsworth | prpplague, again, I really don't know. Lately, I spend all my time on bigger ppc boxes |
| 14:55.31 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: ahh ok |
| 14:55.34 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: thanks anyway |
| 14:55.54 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: wish i could find out who at MV does all the sdio work |
| 14:56.15 | dfarnsworth | heh |
| 14:56.17 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: i can't seem to connect up with anyone that is doing sdio work |
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| 15:49.41 | Crofton | CosmicPenguin, http://friendlyatheist.com/2006/12/01/shelley-the-republican-debunked/ |
| 15:51.52 | chouimat | Crofton cool ... |
| 15:53.04 | Crofton | Heh, did you see the Shelley on OLPC link from yesterday? |
| 15:53.22 | Crofton | I was pretty sure the site was BS, but there were nagging doubts ... |
| 15:54.30 | CosmicPenguin | It was hilarious and brilliant |
| 15:54.36 | chouimat | Crofton yup I saw I even commented :) |
| 15:55.17 | Crofton | I particularly enjoyed the bit tying SCOX to minix :) |
| 15:55.22 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 15:56.03 | Crofton | naybe I should submit it to /. |
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| 20:41.32 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 20:41.43 | prpplague | yet another day below $1 |
| 20:51.41 | Crofton | yay! |
| 20:55.25 | prpplague | Crofton: i wonder if they could total days or just business day |
| 20:55.53 | prpplague | Crofton: i.e. does it have to be 30 trading days or 30 days overall |
| 20:56.00 | Crofton | heh |
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| 21:00.31 | Crofton | how days (calendar) have they been below 1? |
| 21:02.19 | prpplague | Crofton: march 13 was the last time it was at $1 |
| 21:02.56 | Crofton | I would bet on the reverse split |
| 21:03.25 | Crofton | It is still a "20M dollar" company |
| 21:08.54 | prpplague | Crofton: yea, probably a 4 to 1 |
| 21:09.21 | prpplague | Crofton: that would keep their market cap high enough and give them another 6 months to a year |
| 21:47.52 | jbevren | hahaha |
| 21:47.53 | jbevren | omfg |
| 21:48.04 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.09 | jbevren | what retards |
| 21:48.55 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe yea, "what? you didn't purchase our product? obviously your are too stupid to make the right choice, we will get a judge to help you!" |
| 21:52.08 | jbevren | nod |
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| 22:22.01 | prpplague | max thruput of a standard pc parport is what? |
| 22:22.06 | prpplague | anyone know? |
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| 22:24.00 | MonMotha | prpplague: I've heard of people cycling them at 20MHz in SPP mode |
| 22:24.14 | MonMotha | EPP/ECP can achieve faster rates |
| 22:24.24 | MonMotha | it depends on the speed of the PC and how the parport is attached |
| 22:26.03 | prpplague | MonMotha: hmm |
| 22:27.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'm pretty sure i can toggle a gpio on a 200mhz arm pretty fast, say around 2ms |
| 22:45.23 | MonMotha | prpplague: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 22:46.21 | prpplague | MonMotha: i was just curious how fast i could bit bang a 8 bit gpios with a single gpio as a clock |
| 22:50.19 | MonMotha | prpplague: ah |
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