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13:48.48chouimatm orning
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14:03.25Chocobofinding information and tutorials on standalone ARM development on linux.   Most of them are how to run linux on arm.
14:04.12prpplagueChocobo: what is it you are wanting to do?
14:04.42Chocobobuild a tool chain, load code with jtag, debug, etc.
14:10.51prpplagueChocobo: those are very different things, and can be very platform specific
14:11.07prpplagueChocobo: building the toolchain is covered under either buildroot or openembedded
14:11.16prpplagueChocobo: jtag is a whole different story
14:11.48prpplagueChocobo: it took me ages to get going with jtag
14:11.51ChocoboWhy is that?  jtag can be used to load code, debug, in circuit emulation, etc.
14:12.07prpplagueChocobo: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JTAG
14:12.25prpplagueChocobo: because the actual usage is not widely explained in detail
14:12.40Chocoboahh, ok.
14:13.00prpplagueChocobo: you can also try looking at openocd( #openocd ), there is also an openocd forum on sparkfun.com
14:13.39ChocoboOk, thanks :)
14:14.17ChocoboSo if you dont use jtag to begin with...  what do you do to flash an ARM device?   I have only seen referenced to jtag.
14:14.56prpplaguei would venture to say that less than 1% of the embedded developers can effectively write code for jtag or actually know the specs of how the jtag is actually working
14:15.09prpplagueChocobo: most people "use jtag"
14:15.18prpplagueChocobo: they jsut don't how it works
14:15.54prpplagueChocobo: they basically depend on third party applications that are already written to do what they need
14:16.16prpplagueChocobo: many SoC vendors provide an application to do the initial flashing of the device
14:16.40ChocoboOh, well I wasn't planning on making my own jtag software, I would rather focus on the ARM code.   :/
14:18.04Chocoboperhaps I should start with a development board =P
14:18.06prpplagueChocobo: then openocd is probably what you are looking for
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14:35.56Chocobothanks for the help prpplague.
14:40.42prpplaguenp
14:41.06prpplagueChocobo: oh, and the channel for openocd support is #openjtag , not #openocd, my mistake
14:41.43Chocobook, thanks.
14:46.57CosmicPenguinwe're going to have to kick you if you keep giving people bad information
14:48.30prpplaguehehe
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19:36.38CosmicPenguinwhew - finally our paper is done
19:40.12prpplagueCosmicPenguin: out of toilet paper again?
19:41.12CosmicPenguincomedy!
19:47.39prpplagueCosmicPenguin: what paper?
19:48.37CosmicPenguinhttp://www.linuxsymposium.org/2007/view_abstract.php?content_key=45
19:50.09prpplagueholy cow
19:50.13prpplagueCosmicPenguin: congrads
19:50.33CosmicPenguinI'm just a sjhill wanna be
19:51.02prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you wanna be a crack baby?
19:52.44chouimatprpplague: probably more a Freedom Fighter ...
19:55.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hmm, not much interesting for OLS
19:55.52CosmicPenguinlots of embedded this year
19:56.02prpplagueoh?
19:56.30chouimatprobably because last year got too much Xen stuff
19:57.54prpplaguei only counted 6 embedded related
19:58.17CosmicPenguinthats a lot
19:58.22prpplagueor should i say embedded specific
19:58.42prpplagueseems like their have been more in the past
19:59.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: well congrads
19:59.13prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hope it goes well for you
19:59.21prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you getting a stipen?
19:59.40prpplaguestipend
19:59.45CosmicPenguinnah
20:00.00prpplagueCosmicPenguin: amd paying?
20:00.04CosmicPenguinyeah
20:00.08CosmicPenguinbut they would have paid anyway
20:00.13prpplaguethats cool
20:00.37prpplaguethats the only thing i have to complain about at AML, that they don't pay for conferences
20:01.09CosmicPenguinthats unexcusable in my mind - you have to pay for engineering conferneces
20:01.28prpplaguesmaller companies just don't think that way
20:02.04chouimator is they do they send a manager
20:02.09chouimats/is/if
20:02.15prpplaguechouimat: yea
20:02.21prpplaguechouimat: or sales people
20:02.34chouimatprpplague: or worse the boss
20:03.01prpplaguehehe
20:03.14prpplaguewell when i first started at ABCS they were paying for conferences
20:03.41prpplaguebut when the owner of the company fired all the department heads and replaced them from the sales department, all of that stop
20:03.50CosmicPenguinand then there was the strip club incident
20:03.54CosmicPenguinway to ruin it for everybody
20:04.42prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe
20:05.02chouimatprpplague: the only one I wasn't lucky was XAndros the others small company I worked for send programmers, engineers to conference and paid everything and then they could put that for the 1% of their salary mass they have to spend on training for their employees ... it's kind of a nice law
20:05.04prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i always pay cash a nudie bar, no trouble there
20:06.00prpplaguechouimat: yea, AML has a collegel tuition assitance up to $2000 per year, but they won't consider conferences for that
20:06.02chouimatprpplague: and it's also taxes deductible for them :)
20:06.24prpplaguechouimat: yea so is the $2k college assistance
20:06.39chouimatprpplague: that the beauty of this law ... it's "training" and it's vague ...
20:07.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: where you going to stay?
20:07.27chouimatprpplague: I'm usually able to put all the computer books I buy in a year on it :)
20:08.08CosmicPenguinI try to stay at the Westin
20:08.38prpplagueahh
20:08.56CosmicPenguinMy first year I tried to be all responsible about it
20:09.07CosmicPenguinthen I found out all the AMDers stayed at the Westin
20:09.46prpplaguehehe
20:10.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you really have settled in well at amd
20:10.25prpplagueshame amd got out of the mips processor market
20:13.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: this your 2 or 3 presentation?
20:13.49CosmicPenguinfirst OLS
20:13.51CosmicPenguin2nd overall
20:13.59prpplagueahh
20:14.03CosmicPenguinNot counting LUGs
20:14.09prpplagueCosmicPenguin: excited?
20:15.30CosmicPenguinsure
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20:28.16prpplagueCrofton|laptop:  heard anymore about the TI layoffs?
20:28.17Crofton|laptopnope
20:28.17prpplagueCrofton|laptop: i heard from the grape vine more of the software area for omap might get cut
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