| 00:02.24 | prpplague | yea |
| 00:02.46 | prpplague | i could do this with atemga32 |
| 00:02.48 | prpplague | but still |
| 00:03.00 | prpplague | the cost of a atmega48 is worth the effort |
| 00:05.36 | prpplague | interesting, atmel makes an atmega64 with zigbee |
| 00:07.15 | prpplague | funny, bt embedded module is expensive, but the usb bt is cheap |
| 00:07.31 | prpplague | embedded zigbee is cheap, but the usb zigbee is expensive |
| 00:10.06 | MonMotha | the zigbee module is separate |
| 00:10.28 | MonMotha | the stack is included as a static AVR library, but if you wanted to write your own stack you could use it with e.g. an ARM |
| 00:10.31 | MonMotha | it's SPI interfaced, IIRC |
| 00:11.29 | MonMotha | on the upside, that means you could use it with any AVR, as long as their code fits |
| 00:12.28 | prpplague | ahh |
| 00:12.53 | MonMotha | I don't remember how big their code is, but you might be able to cram it onto like a 16k micro |
| 00:14.04 | prpplague | interesting thought, the xbee modules are pretty darn cheap |
| 00:14.07 | prpplague | $19 |
| 00:14.17 | prpplague | with rs-232 interface or usb |
| 00:16.03 | prpplague | MonMotha: got something cookin that will do pretty good sales |
| 00:17.32 | prpplague | Crofton: so my wife went for her final final final final interview today |
| 00:17.59 | prpplague | Crofton: they were going to give her visa, untill they realized her passport style photos were over 6 months old |
| 00:18.12 | prpplague | Crofton: so now she has to go back in 2 weeks with new photos of me and her |
| 00:19.09 | chouimat | prpplague: wow |
| 00:19.53 | prpplague | in another 35 days we will have been working on her visa for 3 years |
| 00:20.57 | chouimat | prpplague: hope for you it will be over soon |
| 00:28.23 | MonMotha | prpplague: $19? compared to the embedded zigbee stuff that's kinda pricey, actually |
| 00:30.04 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea? |
| 00:30.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: url? |
| 00:30.55 | prpplague | i'm figuring about $7 for a bt usb dongle and $35 for an embedded bt module |
| 00:31.14 | prpplague | about $42 for the set |
| 00:34.57 | MonMotha | $9.72 for digikey qty.1 (I wish Atmel would put 1ku prices on their website...) for the Atmel 64k AVR/ZigBee bundle |
| 00:35.12 | MonMotha | that includes the AVR |
| 00:50.46 | MonMotha | now, I guess you need to integrate the antenna and a few other components (caps, crystal) onto your board |
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| 01:20.41 | g1powermac_PB | hey prpplague |
| 01:20.57 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: haven't seen ya in awhile, was wondering what happened to ya |
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| 01:43.57 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: been pretty busy |
| 01:44.06 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: getting moved to the US |
| 01:48.20 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: what are you up to these days? |
| 02:00.05 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: ahh, nice, finally moving back to the US? |
| 02:00.46 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: nothing much really, been moving myself actually |
| 02:01.11 | g1powermac_PB | parents got a new apartment recently, finished up moving the house and also moving my office back to the new house |
| 02:02.07 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: oh yea? |
| 02:02.08 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: so you are living on your own? |
| 02:02.08 | g1powermac_PB | no, not yet :-) |
| 02:02.08 | prpplague | oh |
| 02:02.11 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: oh hehe |
| 02:02.21 | g1powermac_PB | that'll happen when I finally get an actual paycheck |
| 02:02.37 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: well you need to find some good IT job |
| 02:02.52 | g1powermac_PB | one day |
| 02:02.54 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: go wild and move to montana |
| 02:03.09 | g1powermac_PB | my goals have changed a bit |
| 02:03.40 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: hehe i can recommend some hotels in barbados that are in need of IT people, i.e. not locals who remind you of gilligan with their use of coconuts |
| 02:03.45 | g1powermac_PB | my parents and I are pretty much planning on building our business to the point where we sell it and a make a few dollars off of it :-) |
| 02:03.46 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: oh? |
| 02:03.55 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: ahh |
| 02:04.18 | g1powermac_PB | put in 10 years, make enough out of it to live to 30 years without working |
| 02:04.38 | g1powermac_PB | s/to// |
| 02:04.39 | prpplague | nice dream |
| 02:04.42 | prpplague | had the same one |
| 02:05.08 | g1powermac_PB | purl: I know, added an extra 'to' in there that completely threw off the meaning :-) |
| 02:05.39 | purl | You know, added an extra 'to' in there that completely threw off the meaning :-)? |
| 02:06.06 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: purl is a bot |
| 02:06.12 | g1powermac_PB | I just noticed that :> |
| 02:06.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:06.29 | g1powermac_PB | dang realistic bots these days ;-) |
| 02:06.35 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: hehe my housing area is so new its not even up on google maps yet |
| 02:08.00 | g1powermac_PB | but yea, between the business and other bit of money that will be inherited to me, I think I should be set to retire when I'm 30 :-) |
| 02:08.20 | g1powermac_PB | but nah,I could never retire in that sense |
| 02:08.22 | prpplague | hehe get it in writing |
| 02:08.29 | g1powermac_PB | it is. . . |
| 02:08.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:09.17 | prpplague | both my father and mother (divorce) will be leaving all of their fortunes to charitys and scholorships |
| 02:09.28 | g1powermac_PB | btw, speaking of moving to montana, one day I will move to middle of nowhere someday :-) |
| 02:09.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:09.57 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: oh, the person who is leaving her money to me is doing it for spite. . . |
| 02:10.03 | prpplague | just make sure they have broadband |
| 02:10.08 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:10.35 | g1powermac_PB | my grandmother hates her children and most of her grandchildren (we really think she has some mental issues) |
| 02:10.49 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:10.51 | g1powermac_PB | and she also doesn't believe in charities |
| 02:10.51 | prpplague | lovely |
| 02:10.55 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:11.13 | g1powermac_PB | she's one of those depression people who save every cent |
| 02:11.27 | prpplague | yea my grandparents were like that |
| 02:11.38 | prpplague | but they believed leaving money to their kids made them weak |
| 02:11.41 | g1powermac_PB | and also believes the money should stay in the family, and only the blood related part of the family |
| 02:12.07 | g1powermac_PB | she's really weird |
| 02:12.51 | g1powermac_PB | if she could, especially if there wasn't any grandchildren, she'd make sure that only her children got the money and not their spouses |
| 02:13.57 | g1powermac_PB | though anyway, it isn't much money anyway |
| 02:14.35 | g1powermac_PB | if she invested it better than leaving it in the bank, she'd actually be able to live a halfway reasonable life |
| 02:15.01 | prpplague | well my father designed a whole series of oil field tools http://www.acmc-corrosion.com |
| 02:15.15 | g1powermac_PB | nice |
| 02:15.26 | prpplague | i keep telling him to upgrade his web site, but he thinks the oil field like it ok |
| 02:16.41 | g1powermac_PB | but yea, my ultimate goal is to like build a log cabin of sorts on 20 acres of land out in the middle of nowhere :-) |
| 02:16.42 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: drink more beer |
| 02:16.49 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: hehe |
| 02:17.02 | g1powermac_PB | oh, and it must have a lab in it for myself :-0 |
| 02:17.05 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: not while I getting the invoices out and the accounting ... |
| 02:17.15 | g1powermac_PB | with a top500 cluster in it ;-) |
| 02:17.43 | g1powermac_PB | chouimat|tv: ahh, fun stuff :> |
| 02:18.04 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: i want to open a nudie bar with 101 beers on draft, and do embedded computer research and development in a bar room |
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| 02:18.16 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: haha |
| 02:18.29 | chouimat|tv | g1powermac_PB: I would go for a nice house (about 3000 to 4 000 squares feet) with a nice view ... and lot of computers so I won't need to heat the house :) |
| 02:18.56 | prpplague | 3000 square feet? |
| 02:18.59 | g1powermac_PB | chouimat|tv: now that isn't a bad idea, could hook that top500 cluster to the hvac system :-) |
| 02:19.00 | prpplague | thats huge |
| 02:19.19 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: you'd need atleast 2 or 3 ho's to clean that |
| 02:19.20 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: I'm fat so I need a lot of space |
| 02:19.23 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: not really, especially if you have a basement the size of the house |
| 02:19.53 | chouimat|tv | g1powermac_PB: computer lab in the basement ... with a HUGE soundsystem :) |
| 02:20.00 | g1powermac_PB | hehe |
| 02:20.10 | g1powermac_PB | for sure, don't forget the 108" tv :-) |
| 02:20.27 | chouimat|tv | and the pool table |
| 02:20.47 | g1powermac_PB | and the 30 ft antenna off the roof for the fun of it |
| 02:21.00 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: don't forget the stripper pole |
| 02:21.01 | chouimat|tv | nah will just get cable tv |
| 02:21.12 | MonMotha | bah, you need to go talk to Frank |
| 02:21.17 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: hehe ... that will be in the master bedroom :) |
| 02:21.17 | MonMotha | get a quote on his 2000" TV |
| 02:21.23 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:21.32 | g1powermac_PB | yea, but I have an obsession with antennas, so there has to be an antenna with at least some tin foil on it ;-) |
| 02:22.02 | chouimat|tv | g1powermac_PB: I thought tin foil was used to cover heads |
| 02:22.24 | g1powermac_PB | nah, its awesome for reception and the faraday cage built into the basement walls :-) |
| 02:23.34 | MonMotha | you can do some amazing things with metal foil |
| 02:23.53 | MonMotha | they make great ground planes |
| 02:23.55 | g1powermac_PB | yup |
| 02:25.07 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe i could tell you some amazing things i did with paper clips, 22gauge copper wire and duct tape when i was in the army, but then i'd have to kill you |
| 02:25.18 | jbevren | plague |
| 02:25.31 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, the other necessary thing, duct tape! |
| 02:25.49 | prpplague | jbevren: vren! |
| 02:25.54 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:25.58 | jbevren | hows things |
| 02:26.02 | jbevren | btw its bevren |
| 02:26.02 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: oh, you where in the military? |
| 02:26.06 | jbevren | the j menas jonas |
| 02:26.12 | prpplague | better, not perfict, but better |
| 02:26.19 | MonMotha | prpplague: I've heard of military radios being repaired int he field with chewing gum wrappers... |
| 02:26.20 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: army signal cor |
| 02:26.33 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: interesting |
| 02:26.52 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: my one friend is going in the navy |
| 02:26.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: my speciality was field repair and use of captured radios |
| 02:27.06 | chouimat|tv | g1powermac_PB: speaking of duct tape: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0286915/ |
| 02:27.25 | g1powermac_PB | hahah |
| 02:27.30 | prpplague | MonMotha: thought for awhile i was gonna get called back into active service |
| 02:27.31 | g1powermac_PB | bbiab |
| 02:28.01 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: red and green rock |
| 02:28.14 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: yup |
| 02:28.44 | prpplague | if women don't find you handsome, they should atleast fine you handy |
| 02:28.50 | prpplague | find |
| 02:29.28 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: another fine canadian movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0263734 |
| 02:29.51 | prpplague | i knew you were going to post that |
| 02:29.58 | prpplague | i didn't even have to look |
| 02:30.02 | chouimat|tv | haha |
| 02:30.04 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 02:30.55 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: hehe, did you know that dallas has a hockey team? |
| 02:31.11 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: yes I know |
| 02:31.42 | prpplague | hehe one of the former players got arrested the other day, the local news was making jokes |
| 02:32.06 | prpplague | "angry drunken hockey player" |
| 02:32.19 | prpplague | "we didn't know he was canadian" |
| 02:32.25 | chouimat|tv | bb in a few minutes ... time to go watch The Ventures Brothers on TV |
| 02:32.28 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: hehe |
| 02:32.53 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.03 | g1powermac_PB | anywho |
| 02:33.42 | prpplague | so.... |
| 02:34.04 | prpplague | i've been into buying dvd's of original movies before the remakes |
| 02:34.11 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 02:34.28 | chouimat|tv | 1.5GB to go .... *sigh* |
| 02:34.34 | prpplague | flight of the phoenix, posieden adventure |
| 02:34.40 | prpplague | war of the worlds |
| 02:34.45 | prpplague | stuff like that |
| 02:34.53 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: don't forget the remake of the remake |
| 02:34.59 | prpplague | and john wayne movies |
| 02:35.06 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yea |
| 02:35.15 | g1powermac_PB | some movies have been remade a half a dozen times |
| 02:35.35 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: war of the worlds the book is way better than any of the movies ... it take place in Victorian England so it's even more fun to read :) |
| 02:35.44 | prpplague | funny how the differences between the war of the worlds original movie and the latestest version with tom cruise |
| 02:35.54 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: |
| 02:35.58 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: yea |
| 02:36.24 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: my interest is where all references to God were removed from the latest version of the movie |
| 02:36.33 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 02:36.45 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: and the latest version of the time machine is a lot closer to the book |
| 02:37.05 | g1powermac_PB | the entertainment industry really doesn't want any controversy do they? |
| 02:37.15 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: that is true, but i find the hope in the earlier one much better |
| 02:37.24 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: H.G. Wells was pretty against any form of religions |
| 02:37.26 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: no and they copy every thing |
| 02:37.35 | g1powermac_PB | yup |
| 02:37.55 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: interesting how 300 has hit big , now all the studios want something similiar |
| 02:38.07 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: good? |
| 02:38.14 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: incredible |
| 02:38.16 | g1powermac_PB | btw, that is my stance as well, I'm pretty much against all organized religions. . . |
| 02:38.26 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: saw grindhouse? |
| 02:38.27 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: best movie i've seen since star wars episode 4 |
| 02:38.43 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: no not yet |
| 02:38.43 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: probably this weekend |
| 02:39.19 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: just because you personally are against it, you can't discount its influence in culture |
| 02:39.21 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: so 300 and grindhouse will go on my list then ... grindhouse is a double features ... seems a lot of people leave after the first one :) |
| 02:39.29 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: oh for sure |
| 02:39.31 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: you have imax there? |
| 02:39.39 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: it has a massive impact on culture |
| 02:40.03 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: I don't know ... the closest one is in montreal |
| 02:40.06 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: just that I'm not aligned with any religion |
| 02:40.07 | chouimat|tv | iirc |
| 02:41.32 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: wtf |
| 02:41.40 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: you have imax but no movies |
| 02:43.21 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: imax is in the Canadian Museum of Civilization |
| 02:43.44 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: http://www.tribute.ca/showtimes/showtimes_nowplaying_action.asp |
| 02:44.25 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: worth every freakin penny |
| 02:44.39 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: the nearest cinema is about 5 minutes walk from my apartment |
| 02:44.46 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: imax? |
| 02:44.53 | chouimat|tv | nope |
| 02:45.06 | prpplague | http://www.tribute.ca/synopsis.asp?m_id=14228 |
| 02:45.24 | prpplague | click on showtimes |
| 02:45.30 | prpplague | silvercity? |
| 02:45.56 | prpplague | SilverCity Gloucester |
| 02:45.56 | prpplague | 2385 City Park Drive Ottawa, ON K1G 1G1 (613) |
| 02:46.06 | prpplague | know that? |
| 02:46.13 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: it's far |
| 02:46.34 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=7ba6d35e-4c8d-4041-9a29-0f9413b3ccac |
| 02:46.36 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: i'm telling you, worth the bus far |
| 02:46.38 | prpplague | faiur |
| 02:46.40 | prpplague | fair |
| 02:47.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:47.25 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: how much would it cost you to get there? |
| 02:47.26 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/top10.aspx |
| 02:47.50 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: I have to check ... probably 6cad (round trip) |
| 02:48.48 | prpplague | oh jeeze |
| 02:49.00 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: well worth the cad |
| 02:49.05 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: trust me |
| 02:49.08 | chouimat|tv | ok |
| 02:49.33 | Crofton | is this the thing to get |
| 02:49.33 | prpplague | Crofton: ? |
| 02:49.33 | Crofton | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7834 |
| 02:50.50 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8278 |
| 02:50.51 | Crofton | do i need an adapter to connect to board, such as OSK |
| 02:50.58 | prpplague | better choice |
| 02:51.01 | prpplague | less cost |
| 02:51.21 | prpplague | Crofton: osk should have either a 2x7 or 2x10 jtag |
| 02:51.30 | prpplague | Crofton: you know which one? |
| 02:51.35 | Crofton | not off hand |
| 02:51.45 | Crofton | won'tuntil tomorrow am |
| 02:51.49 | Crofton | if they let us back on campus |
| 02:52.48 | Crofton | I'm just going to worry about this tomorrow |
| 02:53.03 | prpplague | Crofton: well arm supports both the 2x7 and 2x10 configuration |
| 02:53.03 | Crofton | I jsut got a back in staock message during the insanity |
| 02:53.26 | Crofton | no sense making a snap decisin |
| 02:53.27 | prpplague | Crofton: so if its 2x7 you might need to hack a cable |
| 02:53.41 | prpplague | Crofton: if its 2x10 you are ok |
| 02:53.58 | prpplague | the rest i made |
| 02:54.09 | Crofton | heh |
| 02:54.11 | Crofton | you are wise |
| 02:54.13 | Crofton | I am not |
| 02:54.25 | prpplague | hehe, not just persistant |
| 02:54.29 | prpplague | big difference |
| 02:54.38 | prpplague | s/not/no |
| 02:54.51 | prpplague | and close to being drunk |
| 02:54.56 | Crofton | heh |
| 02:55.06 | Crofton | I spent plenty of time building crap in my youth |
| 02:55.22 | prpplague | ha |
| 02:55.33 | prpplague | Crofton: you make it sound like tinkering is for the young |
| 02:55.49 | Crofton | well, it all depends on how you want to spend your time :) |
| 02:56.04 | prpplague | agreed |
| 02:56.40 | prpplague | Crofton: different cultures i'd guess, as you "grew up" in the college scene |
| 02:56.57 | Crofton | well, I have bult stuff as long as I can remember |
| 02:57.10 | Crofton | before college |
| 02:57.13 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:58.31 | prpplague | Crofton: time allocation |
| 02:58.40 | prpplague | Crofton: allocate time learning jtag schematics vs. buying one and getting the job done |
| 02:58.41 | Crofton | :) |
| 02:58.48 | prpplague | Crofton: know it all too well |
| 02:58.54 | Crofton | what do i really need to know |
| 02:59.11 | prpplague | Crofton: lets just put it this way............... |
| 02:59.26 | prpplague | J T A G , its not just any ordinary four letter word |
| 03:00.57 | Crofton | :) |
| 03:00.57 | prpplague | Crofton: if you aren't into the deep dark bits and pieces of the SoC, nothing other than what you can use |
| 03:01.50 | MonMotha | mmmm...JTAG |
| 03:02.27 | jbevren | heh |
| 03:05.38 | MonMotha | JTAG really is incredibly useful for more than just "oh shit, unbrick this thing" |
| 03:08.05 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, but it took me ages to get up to speed on jtag |
| 03:08.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: people treat it like black magic |
| 03:09.05 | MonMotha | it's really not THAT complicated... |
| 03:09.15 | MonMotha | basically just a giant shift register and state machine |
| 03:09.50 | prpplague | MonMotha: yes that is true, however the specs are written in such as way that makes it seem way more complicated |
| 03:09.55 | MonMotha | that's true |
| 03:10.10 | MonMotha | I've found that the various datasheets for the parts USING JTAG often do a better job of explaining it than the actual spec does |
| 03:10.14 | prpplague | MonMotha: and the ICE modes are not always documented and explained properly either |
| 03:10.26 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe true |
| 03:10.45 | MonMotha | well, yeah. ICE modes are rarely documented at all |
| 03:10.49 | MonMotha | they want to sell you THEIR JTAG pod |
| 03:11.01 | MonMotha | even Atmel does that, though they do document the protocol for talking to their JTAG pod |
| 03:11.15 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe, call me lame, but i consider mastery of arm jtag one of my crowning achievements |
| 03:11.43 | MonMotha | what's really annoying are the companies that keep their JTAG ICE interface secret AND don't document how to talk to their JTAG pod, so you have to use their debugger |
| 03:12.38 | prpplague | or don't implement a jtag boundy scan at all like ep series from cirrus |
| 03:13.18 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe, funny thing, timriker sent me one of the early omap kits, i had jtag all working with it |
| 03:13.45 | prpplague | Crofton: doh and then i got seperated from wife and she sold my pc with all the jtag code on it |
| 03:13.54 | prpplague | doh doh |
| 03:13.58 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: ouch |
| 03:14.21 | MonMotha | Cirrus seems out of touch |
| 03:14.37 | prpplague | Crofton: as far as i know i was the first person to get jtag routines working under linux for omap |
| 03:14.50 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea |
| 03:15.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: also sharp hence their complete loss of their arm division |
| 03:15.41 | g1powermac_PB | gnight all |
| 03:15.49 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: later, |
| 03:15.54 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: join any time |
| 03:16.05 | MonMotha | I'm curious what will happen to Marvell |
| 03:16.05 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: you are welcome here |
| 03:16.11 | g1powermac_PB | thanks |
| 03:16.27 | prpplague | MonMotha: people are droping xscale like it was a hot rock |
| 03:16.41 | g1powermac_PB | well, since xchat likes to rejoin to the same channels as I was on, I'll be here tomorrow morning :-) |
| 03:16.43 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 03:16.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: i probably get 100 emails a day for questions on the samsung s3c24xx series |
| 03:16.58 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: great |
| 03:17.02 | MonMotha | I'm curious if they'll figure things out and release documentation |
| 03:17.13 | prpplague | MonMotha: not likely |
| 03:17.14 | g1powermac_PB | anyway, gnight :-) |
| 03:17.18 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: later |
| 03:17.32 | MonMotha | yeah, everybody seems to be moving to Samsung, Atmel, TI, etc. |
| 03:17.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: they just joined a couple OSS groups |
| 03:18.02 | prpplague | MonMotha: marvells nda attidude is killing the small business man |
| 03:18.10 | prpplague | MonMotha: that was the thing about intel |
| 03:18.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: then sold either 100 or 100,000 |
| 03:18.25 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: btw I got news from the nutcase I had problem with last fall ... he's now official declared unfit and locked in a mental institution |
| 03:18.34 | prpplague | MonMotha: marvell isn't interested unless you have 100,000 |
| 03:18.38 | MonMotha | thing is, there's an awful lot of low-medium volume products out there |
| 03:18.46 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: no shiet? |
| 03:18.53 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: yup |
| 03:18.57 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea |
| 03:18.59 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: wow |
| 03:19.04 | MonMotha | if you get 1000 people building 1000 of something, that's more than 5 people building 100,000 |
| 03:19.23 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea marvell doesn;t seem to understand that |
| 03:19.25 | MonMotha | now, there's slightly higher overhead in support, but most of those type of people are used to simply utilizing documentation |
| 03:19.25 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: the problem is I still have some legal thing to do before being completely happy |
| 03:19.36 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: ?? |
| 03:19.58 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea |
| 03:20.11 | prpplague | MonMotha: we never need anything other than good docs |
| 03:20.28 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: he was put in there before I had the chance to get back a) money he owes me (I can say adios to it) or b) the right of the source code |
| 03:20.41 | prpplague | doh |
| 03:20.52 | MonMotha | I've only ever asked the Atmel AVR group 2 questions. One got resolved before they answered (though it took like 20 people to finally spot the bug!) and the other was a file that was outright missing from their website |
| 03:21.02 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: so last month was fun ... lawyers and rewriting the code :) |
| 03:21.13 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: lovelyt |
| 03:21.21 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, same with samsung |
| 03:21.31 | prpplague | MonMotha: we found more work arounds than they posted |
| 03:21.50 | prpplague | MonMotha: samsungs stuff has been really stable though |
| 03:22.10 | prpplague | our m5900 is really a nice platform |
| 03:22.28 | MonMotha | I've found Intel to have VERY good documentation, as well |
| 03:22.41 | MonMotha | though their application info is sometimes a bit lacking, actual data is usually pretty complete |
| 03:22.48 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: and one of the product the code he owns his the makefiles/scripts I don't use anymore to generate the product ... the new version (never released, also never left my development machine because it was an experimentation too) is based on OE |
| 03:23.26 | prpplague | MonMotha: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/M5900 |
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| 03:24.46 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: the S3C2410 is arm 7? |
| 03:24.52 | prpplague | arm9 |
| 03:25.19 | chouimat|tv | even better :) |
| 03:25.30 | prpplague | i've been considering pitching a contest of sorts with the boss |
| 03:25.49 | prpplague | basically offer 30 or 40 units to people doing business app dev |
| 03:25.53 | MonMotha | I'm so out of touch with ARM... |
| 03:25.58 | MonMotha | last time I really used it was SA1110! |
| 03:26.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:26.29 | MonMotha | that's, what, ARM4? |
| 03:26.31 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: sound interesting |
| 03:26.39 | chouimat|tv | MonMotha: 5 iirc |
| 03:26.49 | MonMotha | I thought PXA was 5 |
| 03:27.34 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea armv4 |
| 03:27.39 | chouimat|tv | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture |
| 03:28.39 | prpplague | MonMotha: xscale imho is a bastard |
| 03:29.42 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: do something similiar to circuit cellar with their contests |
| 03:32.02 | MonMotha | prpplague: I didn't really use xscale |
| 03:32.18 | MonMotha | I hacked on the ipaq and tuxscreen, then got into much smaller stuff (8-bit) |
| 03:32.24 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:32.45 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: the only one I'm playing with right now is the lpc2148 |
| 03:32.51 | prpplague | well even the strongarm is really bastard stuff, but intel pushed it so hard |
| 03:33.25 | prpplague | i need people who will develop business apps with our handhelds that are linux friendly |
| 03:33.54 | MonMotha | prpplague: what's the price point on that handheld? |
| 03:34.02 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: the kind that kind interface with something like tinyERP? |
| 03:34.24 | chouimat|tv | wow ... second kind is can ... starting to get sleepy |
| 03:34.26 | prpplague | MonMotha: about 25"% less than symbol |
| 03:34.29 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: yea |
| 03:34.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: batch unit about $900 |
| 03:35.02 | prpplague | MonMotha: wireless around $1500 |
| 03:35.17 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, that's something that the company I'll be working with might potentially have some use for. They do those kinds of things, and they use Linux |
| 03:35.17 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: need to talk to my business partner later this week |
| 03:36.42 | prpplague | i'm not in sales, but i see that our sales people aren't marketing to OSS people properly |
| 03:37.14 | prpplague | either of you want a test unit with sdk, you just drop me a /msg |
| 03:37.23 | MonMotha | prpplague: if you could get support included in one of the popular patch series for the kernel, that would certainly help |
| 03:37.43 | MonMotha | does the wireless version have zigbee support or 802.11? |
| 03:37.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe, support in what way? |
| 03:38.04 | MonMotha | support as in I can select the machine in make config |
| 03:38.05 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: I won't forget that ;) |
| 03:38.11 | prpplague | MonMotha: sdio 802.11g in the new release in about a month |
| 03:38.24 | chouimat|tv | sorry what is zigbee? |
| 03:38.45 | MonMotha | hum, I have an app where it might be useful, but Zigbee would be what I'd want, not 802.11 |
| 03:38.57 | MonMotha | chouimat|tv: a protocol based on top of the IEEE 802.15.4 PAN standard |
| 03:39.05 | MonMotha | has things like mesh networking |
| 03:39.25 | chouimat | interesting |
| 03:39.36 | prpplague | MonMotha: like this - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=3854/2 |
| 03:39.43 | MonMotha | IIRC, it also defines some standard device stuff similar to USB |
| 03:40.11 | MonMotha | prpplague: so it's in RMK? |
| 03:40.11 | prpplague | MonMotha: i have a bt support of course i;m finishing up |
| 03:40.19 | prpplague | MonMotha: ? |
| 03:40.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: its in the main tree approved by rmk |
| 03:40.50 | MonMotha | ok |
| 03:40.51 | MonMotha | that's handy |
| 03:41.07 | prpplague | plus 100% of the system is OSS |
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| 03:42.14 | MonMotha | gah, I'm really, really tired of school |
| 03:42.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:42.27 | MonMotha | I want to have time during the day to work, and time at home when I'm not freaking workin |
| 03:42.27 | MonMotha | g |
| 03:43.08 | prpplague | well, either of you guys are truely interested in moving devices, i'll arrange for freebies |
| 03:43.09 | chouimat | MonMotha: I'm starting a new company ... so I don't know what the expression "have time" mean anymore |
| 03:43.41 | MonMotha | chouimat: heh, yeah...starting your own company tends to do that |
| 03:43.43 | prpplague | plus you'll be in on the next devices |
| 03:43.50 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, I'll let you know if we have a use |
| 03:43.59 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm definitly interested, and that will fit well in one of our offering ... just need to think more on how to do it :) |
| 03:44.28 | prpplague | chouimat: okie dokie |
| 03:44.35 | prpplague | MonMotha: let me know |
| 03:44.37 | MonMotha | I've got a project I'm doing that it would be potentially useful with, but I just don't have the time right now |
| 03:45.15 | prpplague | what we are looking for is some press coverage of how OSS beats out the windows "box" |
| 03:45.37 | prpplague | if you got a good project, i'm sure i can swing the hardware for dev |
| 03:46.28 | MonMotha | prpplague: I presume that scans barcodes, not mag stripe cards? |
| 03:46.56 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea we don't support mag stripe |
| 03:47.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: but its doable if the qty is enough |
| 03:47.16 | MonMotha | oh, it wouldn't be |
| 03:47.24 | MonMotha | at least not on this project |
| 03:47.32 | MonMotha | I'd be lucky to need a dozen :) |
| 03:47.37 | prpplague | MonMotha: credit cards/. |
| 03:47.41 | prpplague | ? |
| 03:47.48 | MonMotha | prpplague: may I PM? |
| 03:47.52 | prpplague | sure |
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| 03:48.30 | chouimat | prpplague: I might be able to give you a msg late tomorrow afternoon ... after the long and boring meeting with some potential clients :( |
| 03:48.40 | prpplague | ok |
| 03:55.33 | chouimat|Zzzz | good night |
| 03:55.47 | MonMotha | gn chouimat|Zzzz |
| 03:56.14 | prpplague | chouimat|Zzzz: later |
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| 13:51.19 | prpplague | wow scox is up today |
| 13:51.23 | prpplague | sjhill: hey crack baby |
| 13:51.27 | prpplague | sjhill: whats cookin? |
| 13:51.33 | prpplague | sjhill: anything interesting? |
| 13:53.51 | Crofton | ~quote socx |
| 13:53.56 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 13:54.00 | Crofton | heh |
| 13:54.05 | Crofton | yikes |
| 14:01.46 | g1powermac_PB | time to buy some sco stock :-) |
| 14:05.38 | prpplague | only if you want some toilet paper |
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| 14:19.31 | CosmicPenguin | man, bluetooth-alsa is so damn cool |
| 14:49.48 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:50.11 | CosmicPenguin | When I turn on the headphones now, it automatically starts the music |
| 14:50.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: bt modules are so expensive though |
| 14:50.22 | CosmicPenguin | and all the buttons on the headphones just magically work |
| 14:50.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:50.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: eh? You showed me two $20 dongles the other day |
| 14:50.47 | prpplague | modules |
| 14:50.49 | CosmicPenguin | I think my dongle cost 10 bucks when I got it |
| 14:51.06 | CosmicPenguin | Oh - they can't be *that* bad though |
| 14:51.12 | CosmicPenguin | what - a few dollars at most? |
| 14:51.33 | CosmicPenguin | for the really sexy radios |
| 14:51.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: $35-$55 |
| 14:51.40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no way |
| 14:51.44 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:51.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: If they were $55 dollars, then these headphones would have been several hundred dollars |
| 14:52.24 | prpplague | again, i said modules |
| 14:52.32 | CosmicPenguin | components are components |
| 14:52.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: components are pretty cheap |
| 14:52.57 | CosmicPenguin | you could probably easily roll your own |
| 14:53.31 | prpplague | yea, probably will, just testing the waters first |
| 14:54.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pretty average prices - http://www.blueradios.com/orderinfo.htm |
| 14:55.15 | CosmicPenguin | heh - that sounds like somebody is taking advantage of drones that heard a buzzword.. :) |
| 15:00.03 | CosmicPenguin | grr - stupid gnome-osd - be xinerama aware! |
| 15:22.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, its seems to be the going rate for most modules |
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| 16:55.48 | Crofton | what is the difference between 7 pin and 10 pin JTAG? |
| 16:56.40 | CosmicPenguin | 3 pins |
| 17:01.21 | Crofton | somone just looked at my OSK and claims the JTAg connector has 13 pins? |
| 17:01.54 | Crofton | does this make any sense? |
| 17:03.40 | prpplague | Crofton: extra grounding |
| 17:03.48 | prpplague | Crofton: every other pin is ground |
| 17:03.52 | Crofton | hmm |
| 17:04.09 | Crofton | I am trying to figure out the easiest way to get a jtag working with the OSK |
| 17:04.35 | Crofton | I assume if I have 7 pins I can easily adapt to 10 and vice versa? |
| 17:05.07 | prpplague | Crofton: correct |
| 17:05.30 | Crofton | ok |
| 17:05.40 | Crofton | yu recommend cheap usb then? |
| 17:06.51 | prpplague | Crofton: the sparkfun stuff works well and is supported by openOCD |
| 17:08.31 | prpplague | Crofton: http://ccgi.rowley.co.uk/support/faq.php?do=article&articleid=19 |
| 17:09.13 | prpplague | Crofton: ahh even better - http://hri.sourceforge.net/tools/jtag_faq_org.html#_Toc63218715 |
| 17:09.56 | Crofton | that is openocd |
| 17:10.05 | prpplague | Crofton: as you can see between the two, they have the same exact signals, but the 20 pin has every other pin ground |
| 17:10.13 | Crofton | ok |
| 17:10.24 | Crofton | It is just annoying to try to think today |
| 17:10.42 | prpplague | Crofton: it was changed mainly to support high speeds of jtag interface without noise problems |
| 17:10.45 | Crofton | I am drinking beer with a guy who had to leave work yesterday running with his hands in the air |
| 17:10.49 | Crofton | ok |
| 17:11.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:11.10 | Crofton | so more recent boards have 10 pin jtag |
| 17:11.22 | prpplague | Crofton: oh yea? |
| 17:11.32 | Crofton | yeah |
| 17:11.36 | Crofton | he was in Norris |
| 17:11.42 | Crofton | 1'st floor thank god |
| 17:11.43 | prpplague | Crofton: thats not standard pinouts, but you do see it |
| 17:11.57 | Crofton | 10 not not standard? |
| 17:12.07 | prpplague | yea, atleast not with ARM |
| 17:12.20 | prpplague | Crofton: there are some 2x5's with MIPS |
| 17:12.27 | Crofton | 13 is what then? |
| 17:12.50 | prpplague | 2x7 (14) is a standard ARM configuration |
| 17:13.01 | Crofton | ok |
| 17:13.12 | prpplague | Crofton i assume you ment 14 |
| 17:13.27 | Crofton | maybe one is cut off |
| 17:13.42 | Crofton | they are out of http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8278 |
| 17:13.42 | prpplague | Crofton: thats possible |
| 17:13.43 | Crofton | now |
| 17:13.46 | prpplague | doh |
| 17:13.50 | Crofton | curse gun nuts |
| 17:14.06 | prpplague | wow they sold out quick |
| 17:14.52 | Crofton | yeah |
| 17:15.32 | prpplague | let me see what i can find for you after lunch |
| 17:15.39 | Crofton | heh |
| 17:15.47 | Crofton | the money isn't really an issue |
| 17:16.02 | Crofton | I should just order the more expenisive one b4 the sell out |
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| 18:21.21 | prpplague | Crofton: yea the more expensive one has several more features |
| 18:21.29 | prpplague | Crofton: it is a good buy |
| 18:21.45 | Crofton | ok |
| 18:22.15 | Crofton | still in stock |
| 18:22.29 | Crofton | I just called a reporter an asshole :) |
| 18:22.38 | Crofton | now, should I get a cable |
| 18:23.11 | Crofton | the 19.95 one converts from db9 to pin headers |
| 18:24.08 | Crofton | hmm, maybe not? |
| 18:26.24 | prpplague | Crofton: uh what? |
| 18:26.29 | Crofton | Looks like I can get by only getting the expensive one and it well let me start to figure out jtag |
| 18:26.49 | prpplague | <Crofton> the 19.95 one converts from db9 to pin headers |
| 18:26.56 | Crofton | yeah |
| 18:27.01 | prpplague | Crofton: url? |
| 18:27.06 | Crofton | related item at the bottom of the page |
| 18:27.33 | Crofton | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=275 |
| 18:28.47 | prpplague | Crofton: thats a parallel port version |
| 18:28.53 | Crofton | yeah |
| 18:28.55 | prpplague | Crofton: basically a wiggler clone |
| 18:29.05 | Crofton | ok |
| 18:29.18 | prpplague | low speed |
| 18:29.35 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe still not sure where you got the "db9 to pin headers" from |
| 18:29.36 | Crofton | I was trying to work out "how it was related" |
| 18:29.48 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:29.55 | Crofton | it looked big for a big db9 :) |
| 18:30.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:30.14 | prpplague | Crofton: yea thats low speed, but it does work with openocd |
| 18:30.16 | Crofton | I am also watching the service on campus |
| 18:30.20 | prpplague | Crofton: what are you looking to do? |
| 18:30.20 | Crofton | bah |
| 18:30.26 | Crofton | Figure out jtag |
| 18:30.35 | Crofton | and beat at OSK if needed |
| 18:30.45 | Crofton | also I may scrounge some davinci HW |
| 18:30.56 | prpplague | Crofton: debugging? or simply debricking? |
| 18:31.02 | Crofton | debricking |
| 18:31.19 | Crofton | but, I do not want to pinch pennies, given the amounts involved |
| 18:31.25 | prpplague | Crofton: then the cheap wiggler will do the trick, just not as fast |
| 18:31.30 | Crofton | ok |
| 18:31.56 | prpplague | Crofton: the more expensive one would be if you are doing some heavy debugging |
| 18:32.08 | Crofton | yeah |
| 18:32.16 | Crofton | I will get that one |
| 18:32.23 | Crofton | in case I have to figure out debugging |
| 18:32.27 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:32.41 | prpplague | Crofton: and sparkfun has a forum for usage with openocd |
| 18:32.57 | Crofton | cool |
| 18:32.58 | prpplague | http://forum.sparkfun.com/viewforum.php?f=18&sid=c398d628837a9f0b78583251c71a3fcd |
| 18:34.01 | chouimat | aRGGG |
| 18:34.28 | prpplague | ?? |
| 18:34.30 | prpplague | sold out? |
| 18:34.41 | Crofton | not yet ... |
| 18:34.47 | chouimat | prpplague: just exhausted |
| 18:34.57 | Crofton | too much pub time |
| 18:35.01 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:39.25 | Crofton | done |
| 18:39.28 | Crofton | thanks prpplague |
| 18:42.49 | chouimat | prpplague: this is so funny http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6559373.stm |
| 18:50.20 | prpplague | Crofton: np, glad to be of assitance, spreading the hard won knowledge of jtag |
| 18:50.34 | Crofton | heh |
| 18:51.03 | prpplague | uh - "tornado wash" flush |
| 18:51.04 | Crofton | The guy speaking atm on Tv was my fields prof when I was an undergrad a long time ago |
| 19:43.42 | chouimat | prpplague: I think this is went you put a motor in the toilet and it spins so fast that the content instead of going in goes on the walls :) |
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| 20:50.52 | Crofton | ok |
| 20:50.52 | Crofton | I have gone to school |
| 20:51.18 | Crofton | does the JTAG thing connect directly to the board, or willI need a short cable? |
| 20:51.21 | Crofton | hmm |
| 20:51.23 | Crofton | ah |
| 20:51.26 | Crofton | gootta run |
| 20:53.21 | prpplague | Crofton: you'll probably need a short cable |
| 21:08.35 | chouimat | prpplague: will you be around later tonight? |
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| 21:20.16 | prpplague | chouimat|away: yea |
| 21:20.19 | prpplague | probably |
| 21:27.41 | d-d-c | mmmmmm there is a "walnut" and a "dht-walnut" |
| 21:27.53 | d-d-c | and they are different but not so much |
| 21:27.57 | d-d-c | confusing a bit |
| 21:31.28 | d-d-c | this is the "ibm walnut" http://i11.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/8a/a6/1b83_1.JPG |
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| 22:30.14 | CosmicPenguin | Somewhere, my three remaining braincells remember a command line utility that you could feed a e-mail to and it would print out requested headers on stdout |
| 22:30.21 | CosmicPenguin | amd I full of it? |
| 22:30.24 | CosmicPenguin | s/amd/am/ |
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