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| 06:23.24 | d-d-c | about the dht-walnut who is the person posted about the jtag cable ? |
| 06:23.42 | d-d-c | i need to speak with him |
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| 10:33.13 | adrianmayer | is there any interesting hack for the apple newton ? |
| 10:33.21 | adrianmayer | it is an arm cpu machine |
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| 14:20.49 | g1powermac | yo prpplague |
| 14:20.54 | g1powermac | just got my first JB :-) |
| 14:20.58 | g1powermac | and ripped it apart |
| 14:21.07 | g1powermac | seems mine has both the cpu and the flash as CoB |
| 14:21.26 | g1powermac | and the qfp pads for the cpu are covered in soldermask, which is annoying |
| 14:22.48 | g1powermac | the revision is PVP-01 REV:02A |
| 14:23.33 | prpplague | yea, thats pretty standard |
| 14:24.22 | g1powermac | what a cool little platform though |
| 14:32.01 | g1powermac | prpplague, does that slide switch for the power generally not slide all the way over? |
| 14:32.38 | g1powermac | oh, can't turn it on when there isn't a cartridge. . . |
| 14:33.15 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:33.34 | g1powermac | btw, that cartridge it comes with isn't a cartridge it seems, just the casing :-) |
| 14:34.00 | prpplague | g1powermac: hehe, yea, about 3 years ahead of ya |
| 14:34.35 | g1powermac | hehe |
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| 14:49.50 | adrianmayer | g1powermac what a nice nick |
| 14:49.51 | adrianmayer | :) |
| 14:50.14 | adrianmayer | does G1 mean ppc601 ? |
| 14:58.55 | g1powermac | yup :-) |
| 15:28.29 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.linutop.com/shop/ |
| 15:28.32 | CosmicPenguin | for you euros |
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| 15:30.53 | g1powermac | wow, what a cool little thing now that I was able to power it up :-) |
| 15:31.37 | g1powermac | yea, the graphics absolutely suck to run video like that, but definitely a neat thing to run a linux or custom app on |
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| 15:40.56 | cbaird | I was looking into making a X Terminal a while back.. It was either something like a Lintop (pita to get in AU), or a WRAP board with a minipci video card.. Neither were a convincingly cheap option. :/ |
| 15:40.59 | g1powermac | prpplague, does your jb make noise when turned on but the volume turned off? |
| 15:41.18 | g1powermac | prpplague, mine kinda makes a high pitch hum |
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| 15:50.41 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:52.25 | g1powermac | ok, just wanted to make sure its normal :-) |
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| 15:55.02 | g1powermac | prpplague, was playing with the lcd test in the debug menu, that lcd is pretty darn nice, it can display texts and graphs really nicely |
| 15:55.59 | prpplague | yea, i liked it, kind of wish i could get some OEM for other projects\ |
| 15:56.12 | prpplague | but it seems it was OEM specifically for emsoft |
| 15:59.14 | g1powermac | yea |
| 16:01.26 | g1powermac | so thats microwindows running on there, ehh? |
| 16:01.35 | g1powermac | looks pretty good on the debug menu |
| 16:07.04 | g1powermac | btw, the link to the uclinux source on the juicebox is dead |
| 16:08.43 | CosmicPenguin | Its not microwindows, really, is it? |
| 16:08.44 | CosmicPenguin | thats sad |
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| 16:10.10 | g1powermac | I wonder if the source has program used to debug the cartridges when starting |
| 16:18.12 | g1powermac | interesting, they provide a bootloader too |
| 16:18.27 | g1powermac | man, I need to read about arm7 assembly |
| 16:21.23 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 16:21.35 | Crofton | ~quote armhy |
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| 16:49.14 | prpplague | Crofton: end of each day nasdaq posts a list of companies who are on probation |
| 16:49.20 | prpplague | Crofton: http://www.nasdaq.com/services/DelDefOpenReport.pdf |
| 16:49.35 | prpplague | Crofton: curious to see if scox is listed in todays report |
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| 16:55.01 | MonMotha | I think I've realized how much I prefer doing actual honest-to-goodness hardware design to firmware |
| 16:58.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe |
| 16:59.01 | MonMotha | prpplague: it coudl also be because this library code sucks |
| 16:59.10 | MonMotha | that's something I won't give Atmel high marks on... |
| 16:59.21 | MonMotha | then again, I have a very unique coding style, so that may also be partly to blame |
| 16:59.39 | g1powermac | MonMotha, no, atmel has issues with that stuff |
| 16:59.49 | MonMotha | ok |
| 16:59.53 | MonMotha | their hardware tends to be rather nice |
| 17:00.06 | MonMotha | and their documentation is very good (much better than, say, motorola) |
| 17:00.09 | g1powermac | yea, thats if you can get software to use it |
| 17:00.36 | MonMotha | oh yeah, the fpslic stuff is weird |
| 17:00.50 | MonMotha | the AVR series is nice because gcc targets them |
| 17:00.53 | g1powermac | I'd so love to use them |
| 17:00.59 | MonMotha | ARM of course is also targeted by gcc |
| 17:01.02 | g1powermac | but really can't |
| 17:01.16 | MonMotha | in all honesty, if you need an FPGA/uC, just insantiate a uC of your choice on a small spartan3 |
| 17:01.25 | MonMotha | the software for a spartan3 is free |
| 17:01.30 | MonMotha | at least for the small ones |
| 17:01.37 | g1powermac | yea, the spartans are the best for most things |
| 17:01.45 | g1powermac | however, atmel has really awesome fpga's though |
| 17:01.58 | g1powermac | especially partial and dynamic reconfiguration |
| 17:02.07 | g1powermac | thats the kind of stuff I like to play with |
| 17:02.49 | g1powermac | personally I wish there was an open fpga out there |
| 17:03.33 | MonMotha | yeah, Xilinx isn't as big on that |
| 17:03.39 | MonMotha | they tend to go for all-out speed and density |
| 17:17.14 | adrianmayer | who is good with altera ? |
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| 17:42.41 | adrianmayer | i bought a good altera flex10k board |
| 17:42.55 | adrianmayer | i uses the byteblaster inferface |
| 17:43.26 | adrianmayer | and i asked altera for a personal licence, as i'm a student |
| 17:43.42 | adrianmayer | so the quart and the max2 are licenced full time ! |
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| 17:51.10 | MonMotha | well, that's nicer than Xilinx, I guess |
| 17:51.23 | MonMotha | they gave me the academic price on a dev board, but wouldn't let me buy the software at a discount |
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| 18:01.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw, local store is STILL out of milkstout |
| 18:17.41 | g1powermac | hmmm |
| 18:20.12 | wmat | g1powermac: you have an electronics lab? |
| 18:20.12 | g1powermac | prpplague, btw, what program did you use for setting up JTAG for the JB? |
| 18:20.29 | g1powermac | wmat, I consider it a lab, with all the stuff I got |
| 18:21.09 | wmat | g1powermac: what bench ps do you use? i bought one recently but had to return it as it arrived damaged. SParkfun has since indicated that the one I bought is notoriously crappy, so I didn't accept a replacement. |
| 18:21.23 | g1powermac | thats one thing I really need to get |
| 18:21.37 | prpplague | g1powermac: hehe, all your answers are on the wiki |
| 18:21.37 | g1powermac | I've been using a boat load of power bricks |
| 18:21.55 | prpplague | g1powermac: hehe, i originally used jtager, but i now use openocd |
| 18:22.06 | g1powermac | prpplague, alrighty, thanks |
| 18:22.26 | wmat | prpplague: what wiki? |
| 18:22.35 | g1powermac | prpplague, also I'm thinking of getting an arm reference book, any suggestions? |
| 18:22.41 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBoxJTAG |
| 18:22.54 | wmat | oh, that's not new stuff right |
| 18:22.57 | prpplague | g1powermac: everything you ever wanted to know about JB |
| 18:23.09 | g1powermac | umm |
| 18:23.18 | g1powermac | I already know about the wiki :-) |
| 18:23.32 | g1powermac | just missed the jtag software part :-) |
| 18:23.58 | prpplague | http://www.amazon.com/ARM-System-Developers-Guide-Architecture/dp/1558608745/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-4565094-1466340?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177611817&sr=1-1 |
| 18:24.33 | g1powermac | prpplague, thanks :-) |
| 18:24.40 | prpplague | g1powermac: if you can come up with a question that isn't already answered on the wiki, i'll give you $5 |
| 18:25.18 | g1powermac | you didn't specify the type of question ;-) |
| 18:25.37 | g1powermac | you know I can go out and give you a question that isn't even remotely related to technology ;-) |
| 18:25.47 | prpplague | with regards to the JB |
| 18:26.32 | g1powermac | ahh, now thats better, here a question, what type of plastic is the top layer of the JB made out of, cause it feels weird? :-) |
| 18:26.34 | prpplague | g1powermac: here is the other arm book - ARM Architecture Reference Manual |
| 18:26.49 | prpplague | http://www.amazon.com/ARM-Architecture-Reference-Manual-2nd/dp/0201737191/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-4565094-1466340?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177611965&sr=1-1 |
| 18:27.27 | prpplague | g1powermac: i was told by a plastics guy that it was something called TPABS |
| 18:27.41 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 18:27.44 | g1powermac | cool |
| 18:29.25 | g1powermac | that first book looks nice |
| 18:29.51 | g1powermac | the second one I was already thinking of buying :-) |
| 18:32.29 | prpplague | yea, the first one is a really good reference, i use it much more than the arm arm |
| 18:36.58 | ds3 | you want uncovered questions ? }:-) |
| 18:39.11 | prpplague | ds3: about the JB? |
| 18:39.19 | ds3 | yeah |
| 18:39.33 | prpplague | ds3: what questions do you have that are not covered? |
| 18:39.45 | ds3 | mostly about the board layout |
| 18:39.55 | prpplague | ds3: what board layout? |
| 18:39.57 | ds3 | but that was on the page a while back |
| 18:40.26 | ds3 | the JB motherboard layout... there is some pad locations but at one pointed I was looking for some things and wasn't sure if it was taken to a pad |
| 18:40.52 | prpplague | such as? |
| 18:41.24 | ds3 | might have been other UARTs, let me look at the page and it'll jog my memory or should |
| 18:43.04 | ds3 | think that might have been it... I was trying to see if I can at least squeeze in a BT interface in addition to having a console |
| 18:44.18 | ds3 | also a BTW, for people that went to ESC '07 and attended the ADI talks, I think their serial cable can be used directly with the JB since it has an embedded '232 transceiver |
| 18:44.45 | prpplague | ds3: as long as it is 3.3v ttl |
| 18:45.15 | ds3 | AFAIK, the ADI ARM's are 3.3V TTL signals |
| 18:45.27 | ds3 | they are part of a eval board kit they gave away |
| 18:45.45 | prpplague | ds3: url? |
| 18:45.50 | ds3 | one sec |
| 18:47.58 | ds3 | http://www.analog.com/en/content/0,2886,762%255F%255F66633,00.html |
| 18:48.15 | ds3 | the minikit is what they gave away (last year they gave away the bigger system w/the full ICE) |
| 18:50.26 | prpplague | interesting |
| 18:50.54 | ds3 | the second talk was on the last day and the rep had a pile of those minikits so he unloaded 2 on everyone ;) |
| 18:55.08 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:56.36 | prpplague | ds3: that a 40-pin dip package? |
| 18:57.39 | ds3 | Yep! |
| 18:58.00 | ds3 | well, 40pin dip pattern; it doesn't come with pins, just plate through holes in a 40 pin dip |
| 18:58.01 | prpplague | price is nice, but i got that beat |
| 18:58.24 | ds3 | does your price include a serial cable w/transceiver on it? |
| 18:58.28 | prpplague | i have a arm920t with 32mb flash and 32mb sdram in a 40-pin dip |
| 18:58.49 | prpplague | with jtag dongle and dev board |
| 18:58.54 | ds3 | Oh that is nice |
| 18:58.59 | ds3 | good enough for full Linux |
| 18:58.59 | prpplague | dev board has the transceiver |
| 18:59.06 | prpplague | ships with full linux |
| 18:59.18 | ds3 | but their is on the cable so I can reuse it for other stuff |
| 18:59.24 | ds3 | what board is that? |
| 18:59.25 | prpplague | or let me qualify that, "will" ship with linux, when it ships |
| 18:59.34 | ds3 | Oh you are making them =) |
| 18:59.40 | ds3 | how much? |
| 18:59.48 | prpplague | $199 for the kit |
| 18:59.50 | ds3 | and do you have an OTG on there? |
| 19:00.11 | prpplague | ds3: you can do either 2 usb hosts or 1 host and 1 slave |
| 19:00.39 | ds3 | may I ask who makes that chip? I know the Xscale can do that |
| 19:00.52 | prpplague | s3c2410 samsung |
| 19:01.06 | ds3 | but if I can avoid the whole mess with the mini connectors on a gumstix, I'd be happy to do so |
| 19:01.16 | ds3 | oh I see |
| 19:01.21 | prpplague | yea, this is all .1" dip |
| 19:01.44 | g1powermac | prpplague, yea, whatever happened to that free one I was suppose to get? :-) |
| 19:01.48 | ds3 | got a web page for it yet? |
| 19:01.59 | prpplague | g1powermac: you are still on the list |
| 19:02.04 | g1powermac | k :-) |
| 19:02.15 | ds3 | gumstix is nice for the integration, but the connectors are irritating |
| 19:02.23 | g1powermac | ds3, yea |
| 19:02.32 | prpplague | yea, thats the major complaint from hobbists |
| 19:02.42 | prpplague | http://www.tincantools.com/ |
| 19:02.44 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:03.03 | ds3 | :P |
| 19:03.07 | g1powermac | ds3, I got a gumstix here, and never used it because of the connectors and the fact that it doesn't come in nice packages with the expansion cards (at least when I bought one) |
| 19:03.10 | ds3 | "Comming Soon" |
| 19:03.50 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea |
| 19:04.21 | g1powermac | though it looks like they finally came out with a new netcf case |
| 19:04.25 | ds3 | g1powermac: the packaging is not an issue; having to run to digikey to source connectors and fab board is irritating; at least they could just bring out to a raw pad connector like the mictor stuff |
| 19:04.37 | g1powermac | ds3, yea |
| 19:04.43 | prpplague | exactly |
| 19:05.00 | g1powermac | ds3, but I like my stuff cased or at least connected securely when I'm playing with it |
| 19:05.09 | ds3 | I prefer SMT pads; a little WW wire and a little iron and I am set |
| 19:05.13 | g1powermac | don't want to accidentally pull it apart when I'm working on it |
| 19:05.19 | ds3 | g1powermac: I have a hobby machine shop so ;) |
| 19:05.31 | g1powermac | ds3, ahh, well, that helps ;-) |
| 19:06.01 | ds3 | prpplague: when you get specs on the web site... it looks very interesting if you can supplant their new Vertex board |
| 19:06.38 | g1powermac | those new verdex ones look nice however. . . |
| 19:06.44 | ds3 | if you can draw up the case, we can probally do a trade.. |
| 19:07.51 | g1powermac | actually, I'd like to trade with anyone who wants a gumstix with netcf and the one breakout board |
| 19:08.08 | ds3 | w/BT? |
| 19:08.13 | g1powermac | think I got a connex 200xm |
| 19:08.14 | g1powermac | no |
| 19:08.19 | ds3 | Hmmm |
| 19:08.23 | ds3 | what do you want in exchange? |
| 19:08.34 | g1powermac | depends, what do you got? |
| 19:08.50 | ds3 | my piles go deep; you need to narrow it down |
| 19:08.58 | g1powermac | heh |
| 19:09.01 | ds3 | need JB's? w/MP3 kit |
| 19:09.04 | g1powermac | ok, what other kind of arm stuff? |
| 19:09.13 | ds3 | or WebPals |
| 19:09.21 | g1powermac | already got JBs, though no mp3 kit yet |
| 19:09.32 | g1powermac | got anything else? |
| 19:09.35 | ds3 | think I still got a sealed MP3 kit |
| 19:09.52 | ds3 | got an Atmel RM9200 board |
| 19:10.00 | g1powermac | hmmm |
| 19:10.04 | ds3 | ADUc devkits |
| 19:10.04 | prpplague | ds3: yea, i just did some of the hardware design and the linux port |
| 19:10.12 | prpplague | ds3: marketing is someone elses job |
| 19:10.34 | g1powermac | ds3, hmmm, got some stuff I got to do atm, I'll bbiab |
| 19:10.35 | prpplague | i have a couple of the units at home and they rock |
| 19:10.40 | g1powermac | dang deliveries |
| 19:10.48 | ds3 | prpplague: I see. it looks very very interesting, esp if you have the miniAB's on the board itself and can have a BT module on there |
| 19:10.55 | ds3 | s/looks/sounds/ |
| 19:11.25 | prpplague | ds3: miniAB's? |
| 19:12.08 | ds3 | the connectors |
| 19:12.23 | ds3 | for something that small, I assume you are not putting USB A and B connectors on there? =) |
| 19:12.26 | prpplague | what are miniAB connectors? |
| 19:12.28 | prpplague | oh |
| 19:12.37 | ds3 | the OTG connector with USB 2.0 |
| 19:12.52 | prpplague | the proto board has all the connectors |
| 19:12.56 | ds3 | doesn't need to support OTG to use it, just a nice convenient connector |
| 19:13.08 | prpplague | the cpu board is nothing more than a 40-pin dip package |
| 19:13.23 | ds3 | Oh |
| 19:13.38 | ds3 | so to get peripherals, how big is the entire setup? |
| 19:14.30 | prpplague | ds3: king of a vague question, depends on what you want to do |
| 19:14.44 | ds3 | Ohhhhhh think I get it... throught it was an all in one stick like the gumstix stuff |
| 19:15.18 | prpplague | ds3: all of the system is on one stick, just not the connectors |
| 19:15.45 | ds3 | how much longer before it is available? that might be the best way to figure it out |
| 19:16.04 | prpplague | 30-45 days is what i was told |
| 19:18.19 | ds3 | Hmmm |
| 19:18.45 | ds3 | and this is on a 0.060 thick PCB? |
| 19:19.35 | prpplague | yea 0.062 |
| 19:20.52 | ds3 | as long as they are willing to take regular CC's, they may have a sale =) |
| 19:23.13 | g1powermac | ds3, do you have any fpga stuff? |
| 19:23.38 | ds3 | g1powermac: don't think so or at least not that I can remember |
| 19:23.44 | g1powermac | ok |
| 19:24.07 | g1powermac | that atmel board looks nice though |
| 19:24.29 | ds3 | the fine print here is -- assuming I can find it in my piles =) |
| 19:24.36 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 19:24.45 | g1powermac | same here, have to find the gumstix ;-) |
| 19:27.38 | prpplague | ds3: yea, its my understanding they will have a online ordering system |
| 19:28.03 | g1powermac | ds3, that is a very nice board |
| 19:28.33 | g1powermac | and the nice part is the schematics are in the datasheet for the board |
| 19:28.42 | ds3 | g1powermac: which board? |
| 19:29.21 | g1powermac | ds3, the one you're thinking to trade with me for the gumstix :-) |
| 19:29.21 | ds3 | g1powermac: this is not hte one from Atmel; it is another eval board |
| 19:29.21 | ds3 | same proc |
| 19:29.22 | g1powermac | oh |
| 19:29.22 | g1powermac | dang |
| 19:29.26 | g1powermac | the atmel board looks really nice ;-) |
| 19:29.44 | ds3 | it is sort of a mistake on my part....mis read the dimensions, thinking it was the size of the gumstix |
| 19:30.36 | g1powermac | ds3, if you find it, let me know which company made the board |
| 19:31.39 | ds3 | *nod* |
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| 19:40.19 | g1powermac | ds3, got maybe an old linux running pda by any chance? |
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| 20:45.51 | g1powermac | prpplague, did anything ever come of the custom pcbs for the juicebox found here: http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=MJB&Post=86&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=1&Session= ? |
| 21:15.34 | ds3 | g1powermac: yes, I do have a Zaurus but that has more slots/etc then a gumstix ;) |
| 21:16.07 | ds3 | is that the PCBs Brad proposed? |
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| 21:37.54 | g1powermac | ds3, yea, but my gumstix comes with a netcf and a breakout board :-) |
| 21:38.05 | g1powermac | yea, thats the PCB |
| 21:41.34 | g1powermac | hmmm, tornado watch is in effect for this area and theres this really dark cloud getting closer to us. . . . |
| 21:42.06 | ds3 | it is impossible to do both SD and CF on the gumstix (at the same time) |
| 21:59.40 | prpplague | g1powermac: naw, too many differencing opinions |
| 22:03.27 | g1powermac | prpplague, seems that way |
| 22:03.55 | g1powermac | prpplague, I'll prolly be making my own board anyway, one with a nand flash chip and maybe a cpld on the spi lines |
| 22:04.54 | g1powermac | if anyone would like one, I'd be glad to sell them |
| 22:05.03 | g1powermac | but generally, it'll be for my own use |
| 22:07.01 | g1powermac | ds3, hmm, not sure about that |
| 22:19.36 | prpplague | MonMotha: you use eagle? |
| 22:20.31 | MonMotha | prpplague: OrCAD |
| 22:20.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: hmm, i have to start using orcad |
| 22:20.44 | prpplague | MonMotha: eagle is giving me a headache on the erd |
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| 23:41.20 | g1powermac | prpplague^2, btw, whats up with the not being able to use the nand flash and the sd interface at the same time? |
| 23:42.18 | g1powermac | prpplague^2, the guys who designed the board use the same pins from the cpu of the RxD and TxD lines and the CLE and nRDY lines? |
| 23:59.31 | prpplague^2 | yep |
| 23:59.41 | prpplague^2 | g1powermac: never intended for it to do both at the same time |
| 23:59.49 | prpplague^2 | g1powermac: they took alot of short cuts |