| 00:04.34 | g1powermac | dang thats annoying |
| 00:05.00 | g1powermac | thats it, time to replace the mobo ;-) |
| 00:05.26 | g1powermac | anyway, bbiab |
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| 00:37.25 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 00:37.38 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: settled into your new cubicle? |
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| 01:44.33 | chouimat | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 02:06.47 | MonMotha | prpplague^2: OrCAD has its quirks, but it usually works reasonably well |
| 02:06.49 | MonMotha | it's kinda pricey |
| 02:08.09 | MonMotha | the autorouter that's built in sucks, but apparently Specctra is nice |
| 02:08.13 | MonMotha | the DRC is also very good |
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| 03:00.28 | prpplague^2 | MonMotha: yea, work will pay for the orcad, we use PADS for the layout |
| 03:00.42 | MonMotha | ah |
| 03:00.49 | MonMotha | you just talking about the schematic editor, then? |
| 03:01.13 | prpplague^2 | yea |
| 03:01.17 | MonMotha | tried gschem? |
| 03:01.29 | MonMotha | it was actually amazingly stable when I last tried it |
| 03:02.36 | prpplague^2 | naw, but since the rest of the engineers use orcad at the office, they kind of what me to use it |
| 03:02.45 | MonMotha | ah |
| 03:02.57 | MonMotha | using orcad just for the schematic editor seems very, very dumb |
| 03:03.06 | MonMotha | it's nothing special, and rather expensive |
| 03:03.37 | MonMotha | you use the orcad schematic editor because it integrates well with orcad layout |
| 03:08.22 | prpplague^2 | yea its just a kind of "system" that has developed over the years at aml |
| 03:08.56 | prpplague^2 | hard for me to make the changes when i'm relatively a newbie to with EE work |
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| 07:48.20 | d-d-c | The Wiggler is a parallel port interface for either JTAG or BDM debugging. Slower than a Raven, it is however a stable, easy to use device and is fully compatible with all of our Windows software. The Wiggler does not currently work with Linux. |
| 07:48.20 | d-d-c | The Wiggler is a low-cost interface used in the design, debug, and programming of microprocessor and microcontroller based embedded systems. One side of the Wiggler interfaces to the parallel port of a host IBM compatible PC and the other side connects to an OCD (On-Chip Debug) port of the target system. This port may be JTAG, E-JTAG, OnCE, COP, BDM, or any of several other types of connections. |
| 07:48.20 | d-d-c | Macraigor OCD Commander is a simple JTAG debugger with MIPS support, OCD Flash programmer DEMO version. Requires Wiggler probe or clone. |
| 07:48.23 | d-d-c | - |
| 07:49.28 | d-d-c | could i hope for a successful wiggler-home-made-clone experience ? |
| 08:05.04 | d-d-c | i did http://www.amelek.gda.pl/rtl8181/jtag/wiggler.gif |
| 08:05.15 | d-d-c | but it is not working for the dht-walnut |
| 08:06.09 | d-d-c | (with the right h20-pins connector, offcourse) |
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| 11:53.12 | jbevren | be less vague than "it doesnt work" please. |
| 12:09.16 | d-d-c | mmmm |
| 12:09.23 | d-d-c | what have i to say ? |
| 12:10.30 | d-d-c | the OCD program says there is an issue with data |
| 12:10.39 | d-d-c | the jtag chain is reporting an error about this |
| 12:11.58 | d-d-c | also i only know somebody uses the bdi2000, that is much more advanced than a wiggle clone |
| 12:12.57 | d-d-c | this wiggle clone is working with an other ppc405GP board, so there is something wrong in the dht-walnut |
| 12:14.03 | d-d-c | the board where it is working uses a simple and documented jtag interface |
| 12:25.37 | Ifaistos | comparing bdi2000 to the wiggle is like comparing the Eurofighter to 1st WW bi-blanes |
| 12:26.59 | Ifaistos | bdi2000 supports the other debuging protocol for ppc's (can't remember the name know) |
| 12:27.12 | Ifaistos | not just jtag |
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| 12:29.09 | d-d-c | mmmm i'm not comparing |
| 12:29.17 | d-d-c | i only report what i know |
| 12:29.36 | d-d-c | the dht-walnut has the jtag |
| 12:29.57 | d-d-c | a guy here had success reprogramming it with the OCD+BDI2000 |
| 12:30.08 | d-d-c | the OCD supports the wiggle |
| 12:30.18 | d-d-c | the wiggle is working on an other ppc board |
| 12:30.30 | d-d-c | unfortunatly it fails with the DHT |
| 12:30.46 | d-d-c | and i wander why |
| 12:31.29 | d-d-c | the jtag machine is implemented inside the ppc405gp |
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| 12:59.30 | d-d-c | GPSFan: you are the guy of the ram-uboot, what did you use to install it ? bdi2000 ? |
| 13:00.11 | d-d-c | (dht-walnut) |
| 13:04.21 | GPSFan | I used a wiggler clone. I found several schematics on the web, and made up several varients. I used OCD commander under windows. I only succeeded with the help of jbevren and agaffney, who did a lot of macro work, and testing. Read the wiki, and do some experimenting. |
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| 13:05.01 | g1powermac_PB | hey prpplague |
| 13:08.12 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: hey |
| 13:13.22 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:16.39 | d-d-c | well, i used http://www.amelek.gda.pl/rtl8181/jtag/wiggler.gif |
| 13:28.32 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: should have my second JB today :-) |
| 13:29.34 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: do you have any standard JB cartridges I could buy off by any chance? |
| 13:29.56 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I want to see the nand flash circuit |
| 13:30.11 | wmat | g1powermac_PB: given my dyslexia, i am jealous of your JB |
| 13:30.27 | GPSFan | that should work if you use the 16 pin pinnout for the powerpc405 from http://www.etoolsmiths.com/target-jtag-connector-pin-out.html |
| 13:31.12 | d-d-c | i did |
| 13:31.21 | d-d-c | it is not working |
| 13:31.53 | d-d-c | it reports error in the jtag chain |
| 13:32.37 | d-d-c | is this schematic what you have used ? |
| 13:34.52 | agaffney | GPSFan: how does stuff like that keep getting attributed to me? |
| 13:34.59 | agaffney | I haven't done anything :P |
| 13:36.36 | GPSFan | agaffney: IIRC you did help during the DHT bootloader effort, which I am very grateful for. |
| 13:36.47 | agaffney | just a bit of testing, iirc |
| 13:36.58 | GPSFan | indeed. ;>) |
| 13:37.02 | agaffney | it's been a while...I don't recall :P |
| 13:37.26 | d-d-c | GPSFan is my url the schematic you have used ? |
| 13:37.50 | GPSFan | ah, memory is the first thing to go, .... or is it the second? |
| 13:38.06 | d-d-c | dunno |
| 13:39.30 | d-d-c | all people here seems to have worked on the dht 1 year ago |
| 13:39.42 | d-d-c | so doh |
| 13:40.14 | g1powermac_PB | bbiab |
| 13:40.16 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: no, but there are usually some on ebay |
| 13:40.35 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: k, just wondering, as I'd rather give the money to you :-) |
| 13:40.42 | g1powermac_PB | cya |
| 13:40.50 | d-d-c | well, this schematic is not working, i dunno what is wrong |
| 13:43.35 | prpplague | d-d-c: what software are you using with the wiggler? |
| 13:44.03 | d-d-c | the OCD on windows |
| 13:44.25 | prpplague | d-d-c: and you have the ocd application configured for the wiggler? |
| 13:44.31 | d-d-c | yes |
| 13:44.39 | d-d-c | i test everything |
| 13:44.49 | d-d-c | ibm ppc405GP wiggle |
| 13:45.00 | d-d-c | amcc ppc405GP |
| 13:45.05 | d-d-c | nothing working |
| 13:45.15 | d-d-c | also the jtag inspector says |
| 13:45.23 | d-d-c | "error on the jtag chain" |
| 13:45.46 | d-d-c | i think it is an hw problem |
| 13:45.59 | d-d-c | i think there is something missing/wrong in the schematic |
| 13:46.05 | d-d-c | for example the resistors |
| 13:46.37 | prpplague | d-d-c: schematic is correct |
| 13:46.47 | d-d-c | mmmm |
| 13:46.54 | d-d-c | have you used it ? |
| 13:47.38 | prpplague | yes with arm devices |
| 13:47.47 | d-d-c | arm are different machines ! |
| 13:47.58 | prpplague | but jtag is the same |
| 13:48.00 | d-d-c | i'm talking about dht-walnut ! |
| 13:48.01 | d-d-c | no ! |
| 13:48.06 | prpplague | jtag is jtag is jtag is jtag |
| 13:48.14 | d-d-c | this cable is perfectly working with the original walnut |
| 13:48.24 | d-d-c | while it is not working with the dht ! |
| 13:48.26 | d-d-c | also |
| 13:48.40 | d-d-c | if you look in the jtag pinout |
| 13:48.46 | d-d-c | you will se 2 extra pins |
| 13:48.46 | prpplague | d-d-c: then that should tell you there is nothing wrong with the schematic |
| 13:48.54 | d-d-c | well |
| 13:49.00 | d-d-c | it is not working with dht |
| 13:49.13 | d-d-c | it could be an impedence problem |
| 13:49.28 | prpplague | possible, but not probable |
| 13:49.39 | d-d-c | for example the wiggle doesn't work with my dlink-mips jtag |
| 13:49.49 | d-d-c | i MUST remove the 100 ohm resistors |
| 13:49.55 | d-d-c | then it works |
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| 13:50.21 | prpplague | d-d-c: then the dlink-mips device is not jtag compliant |
| 13:50.28 | d-d-c | yes it is |
| 13:50.44 | d-d-c | if you read the comment |
| 13:50.49 | d-d-c | "mips wiggle" |
| 13:51.23 | prpplague | d-d-c: i do not under stand what you are saying |
| 13:51.32 | d-d-c | uff |
| 13:51.48 | d-d-c | i'm telling that |
| 13:51.49 | g1powermac | dang, 11 juiceboxes on ebay for $20 atm. . . . |
| 13:52.12 | g1powermac | in the original cases |
| 13:52.57 | GPSFan | I have use the same cable on my DHT's and the A3000 (ppc 8245). Mine would not work without the 100ohm resistore. I used a 74VCH244 for the buffer. |
| 13:53.10 | d-d-c | as i did |
| 13:53.54 | d-d-c | also i power feeded the 244 with a 3V |
| 13:53.59 | d-d-c | it is well working |
| 13:54.13 | d-d-c | it may be a noise not filtered in the pcb |
| 13:54.14 | prpplague | so whats the problem |
| 13:54.16 | prpplague | ? |
| 13:54.19 | d-d-c | :D |
| 13:54.22 | prpplague | you know the cable works |
| 13:54.28 | d-d-c | no |
| 13:54.47 | prpplague | "I have use the same cable on my DHT's and the A3000 (ppc 8245). Mine would not work without the 100ohm resistore. I used a 74VCH244 for the buffer." |
| 13:54.50 | prpplague | yes |
| 13:55.09 | d-d-c | bah ... |
| 13:55.20 | d-d-c | memory is back again to him |
| 13:55.27 | d-d-c | let me work alone |
| 13:55.29 | d-d-c | bye |
| 13:56.39 | prpplague | d-d-c: for someone who needs help from professionals who do embedded development every day, you sure seem not very interested in letting them help you |
| 13:57.20 | d-d-c | there is no help in this channel |
| 13:57.24 | d-d-c | by the way |
| 13:57.31 | d-d-c | i will fix by my own |
| 13:57.35 | d-d-c | thank you and bye |
| 13:57.49 | prpplague | d-d-c: what do you think i was trying to do? |
| 13:57.53 | prpplague | g1powermac: http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?page=proframe&prod_id=2192839&IID=prod2192839 |
| 13:59.28 | GPSFan | all I can say is that I have built several jtag cables. some were a little more difficult to get working than others. all have worked in the end. OCD commander works well (for a windows app) as do some of the other open source alternatives. |
| 14:00.21 | prpplague | and i've not only built from, BUT designed more than 10 jtag interfaces |
| 14:01.00 | chouimat | prpplague: have fun :) |
| 14:01.07 | GPSFan | I'd love to have a bdi2000 like T0mW. |
| 14:01.14 | GPSFan | bbl |
| 14:01.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: keep an eye on things, if you know what i mean |
| 14:01.24 | d-d-c | i'd like to trash my dht |
| 14:01.26 | d-d-c | i hate it |
| 14:01.33 | GPSFan | prpplague: yep I nkow ...wink..wink... |
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| 14:02.25 | g1powermac | prpplague, not bad, but I think the stuff on ebay is cheaper |
| 14:03.47 | d-d-c | prpplague you are good in jtag, feel free to suggest me |
| 14:16.48 | GPSFan | d-d-c: did you bypass the 244 right at the pins? and where did you get a VHC244? they are not very common. |
| 14:33.44 | d-d-c | i used HC |
| 14:33.52 | d-d-c | HC is able to work at 3V |
| 14:34.52 | d-d-c | it should be fine |
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| 14:42.04 | GPSFan | what about the bypass cap? |
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| 14:51.29 | prpplague | GPSFan: the bdi2000 is good, but you can get almost the same performance from a ft2232 based device with openocd |
| 14:52.42 | GPSFan | prpplague: that's true, but openocd doesn't support anything but arm IIRC. |
| 14:52.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: true |
| 14:53.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: should be easy enough to add other arch's |
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| 14:54.25 | GPSFan | I really hated to use OCD commander under windows, but i needed something that worked (right away), and didn't have time or desire to hack apart openocd to add ppc. |
| 14:54.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: debugging or just flashing? |
| 14:55.05 | GPSFan | debugging and flashing. |
| 14:55.19 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:55.47 | g1powermac | hum bug, no second juice box today |
| 14:55.51 | GPSFan | setting breakpoints in the kernel startup code and dumping out registers/memory to find out what was getting screwed up. |
| 15:01.11 | g1powermac | prpplague, is the lcd on the juicebox usable in other projects? |
| 15:07.05 | prpplague | g1powermac: yep, pretty standard interface |
| 15:07.23 | g1powermac | prpplague, nice |
| 15:07.44 | g1powermac | prpplague, think the LCDs and the ram alone in them would be nice for other projects |
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| 15:09.49 | d-d-c | <GPSFan> what about the bypass cap? |
| 15:09.52 | d-d-c | i added it |
| 15:10.25 | d-d-c | i'm testing a new cable |
| 15:10.43 | g1powermac | prpplague, the casing is so nice too, somedays I wonder one day I might just make a mobo replacement with more ram and a faster arm chip :-) |
| 15:10.56 | d-d-c | also i added 100ohm resistors serially |
| 15:11.55 | g1powermac | prpplague, stick a bluetooth module directly on the board and you'd have a lot of people wanting the mobo replacement :-) |
| 15:14.54 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea |
| 15:15.08 | prpplague | g1powermac: go with a s3c2410 instead of the 44b0x |
| 15:15.56 | g1powermac | prpplague, was actually thinking about one of the atmel chips |
| 15:16.09 | g1powermac | they make pretty nice arm chips |
| 15:39.27 | prpplague | too small |
| 15:45.44 | Crofton__ | ~quote scox |
| 15:51.04 | Ifaistos | Crofton__ : You have SCOX stock ? :) |
| 15:52.19 | Crofton__ | no |
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| 15:52.32 | Crofton__ | wondering if they will get delisted :) |
| 15:56.15 | Ifaistos | Crofton__ : hehe |
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| 16:09.46 | prpplague | Crofton__: they aren't on the official probation list yet |
| 16:10.05 | prpplague | Crofton__: i think they have until monday to let their shareholders know before they go on the official list |
| 16:10.49 | Crofton | Yeah, I saw that |
| 16:10.50 | Crofton | Do we know any shareholders? |
| 16:12.43 | Crofton | nothing in the investor relations section |
| 16:13.41 | g1powermac | but for $0.92, maybe I'll buy a share ;-) |
| 16:14.22 | chouimat | still too expensive |
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| 17:27.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how does this compare to the XO? - http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS2929854481.html |
| 17:27.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hardware wise |
| 17:29.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: at $799, i'd be interested in purchasing one of those |
| 17:29.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'd expect that you could get linux running on it without too much trouble |
| 17:34.58 | wmat | prpplague: i just picked up a Neuros OSD :) |
| 17:35.51 | prpplague | wmat: thats why they tell people to wear condoms |
| 17:36.03 | wmat | heh |
| 17:38.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've played with that particular device |
| 17:38.27 | CosmicPenguin | its alright |
| 17:38.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh yea? |
| 17:38.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: worth $799 for the portability? |
| 17:38.57 | CosmicPenguin | nope |
| 17:39.03 | prpplague | hmm |
| 17:39.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what aspect did you not like about it? |
| 17:40.28 | g1powermac | ds3, do you have JB cartridges you'd like to sell for maybe a few dollars for a batch? |
| 17:40.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just out of curiosity would it be a good platform to do XO dev if you didn't have an XO? |
| 17:40.29 | prpplague | g1powermac: i'll dig around at the house and see if i can find a few spares |
| 17:40.47 | g1powermac | prpplague, oh cool, thanks |
| 17:41.12 | g1powermac | the prices on ebay are just outrageous for just the cartridge |
| 17:41.32 | g1powermac | yea, they maybe $1 or 2 for the cartridge, but then like $5 for shipping |
| 17:41.56 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea, thats why on almost all of mine i just yanked the connector and replaced it |
| 17:42.36 | g1powermac | prpplague, interesting |
| 17:42.57 | g1powermac | prpplague, you use a connector that would connect to a pcb that has a more standard thickness? |
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| 17:43.20 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea |
| 17:43.40 | prpplague | g1powermac: right angle .1" headers |
| 17:43.50 | g1powermac | now that isn't a bad idea. . . . |
| 17:44.03 | g1powermac | might do that to my JBs |
| 17:48.55 | g1powermac | prpplague, I'm thinking, my one pcb fab house could do the cartridge and even the mobo for dirt cheap if they were both the standard thickness |
| 17:48.59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: right now, the best XO like product would probably be this: http://www.linutop.com/shop/ |
| 17:49.13 | CosmicPenguin | There are a few RDKs out there that are more flexible, but they are harder to get |
| 17:49.15 | g1powermac | prpplague, http://www.pcbfabexpress.com/preview_specs.jsp |
| 17:49.41 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea thats the main problem with it |
| 17:49.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but thats not really a laptop style device |
| 17:50.02 | g1powermac | prpplague, they really don't care too much how the outline of the pcb is, just as long as it isn't curved, could be a bit of a problem for the cartridges, but from what I'm seeing, not an issue with the mobo |
| 17:50.10 | CosmicPenguin | there are no readily available laptop devices |
| 17:50.28 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:50.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i was just curious |
| 17:50.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw, weird weird thing with marvell |
| 17:51.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they release the 8686 linux driver under gpl |
| 17:51.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which appears to be basically identical to the 8385 sdio driver, which is not under gpl |
| 17:51.30 | g1powermac | prpplague, just use the casing and lcd, and replace everything else with a more decent arm chip and more ram and reprogrammable onboard flash |
| 17:51.41 | prpplague | g1powermac: YEA |
| 17:51.43 | prpplague | oops |
| 17:51.48 | prpplague | sorry caps key got hit |
| 17:52.02 | g1powermac | prpplague, thats alright, but that would be an awesome project |
| 17:52.34 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea, you could shove a s3c2410 in their pretty darn easy |
| 17:52.56 | prpplague | g1powermac: main problem is you'd have to use high mAh AA's to run it |
| 17:53.02 | g1powermac | if it wasn't a bga, I would've used it |
| 17:53.50 | g1powermac | yea, power might be an issue with other arm chips too |
| 17:53.51 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea you can get the cpu module with ram and flash pretty cheap these days |
| 17:54.16 | prpplague | pb has some non-rohs boards he's interested in selling cheap |
| 17:54.45 | g1powermac | prpplague, hmmm, could maybe get a chip with ram and flash built in |
| 17:54.59 | g1powermac | would save on routing complexity and maybe even power |
| 17:57.40 | prpplague | http://www.armkits.com/Product/mini2410_II.asp |
| 17:58.13 | g1powermac | prpplague, well, now thats an option |
| 17:59.09 | g1powermac | wonder if the JB has enough clearance between the mobo and the lcd for that |
| 18:01.15 | g1powermac | that would be the only issue I see if we use a processor card like that |
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| 18:57.59 | prpplague | http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS3494274188.html |
| 18:58.03 | prpplague | zipit on steroids |
| 19:05.48 | g1powermac | prpplague, http://www.sharpsma.com/Page.aspx/americas/en/part/LH79525/ |
| 19:05.54 | g1powermac | now thats a chip I can work with |
| 19:06.22 | g1powermac | it has a nice lcd controller, ethernet controller, usb device, mmu and other neat stuff |
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| 19:07.48 | g1powermac | even has a touch screen controller. . .wonder if you can get a touch screen pad on the 2.7" lcd of the JB. . . |
| 19:08.51 | g1powermac | all on a 176 lqfp chip |
| 19:09.00 | prpplague | g1powermac: too bad its discontinued |
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| 19:11.40 | g1powermac | prpplague, it says its in production under the status field. . . . |
| 19:12.02 | prpplague | g1powermac: hehe, i know, but sharp has discontinue ALL of their arm based SoC's |
| 19:12.09 | g1powermac | oh |
| 19:12.14 | g1powermac | that sucks |
| 19:12.14 | prpplague | g1powermac: you might find some stock still floating around |
| 19:12.25 | prpplague | g1powermac: no, sharps support for their arm soc's sucks |
| 19:12.35 | prpplague | g1powermac: thats why they had to get out of the market |
| 19:12.37 | g1powermac | ok, that sucks too :-) |
| 19:12.51 | prpplague | g1powermac: their own PDA division didn't even use their own arm soc's |
| 19:12.56 | agaffney | heh |
| 19:14.07 | prpplague | "hello intel? this sharp pda department, we'd like some engineering samples of your chips, we are designing a new pda. whats that? yea we make arm chips as well but they suck" |
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| 19:50.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: turns out there was problem with the connecting cable for the board and lcd |
| 19:50.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the RMS signal wasn't connected with cause the lcd to use an odd ball fixed frequency timming |
| 19:50.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: rather than enable dynamic timming |
| 20:31.59 | ds3 | speaking of touch screens, are there cheap sources of them along with 640x480 (4" or smaller LCDs); canabilizing is fine |
| 20:35.51 | prpplague | 640x480 with TS is usally pretty hard to find in the cheap market |
| 20:36.00 | prpplague | 320x240 is easier |
| 20:37.24 | prpplague | http://store.earthlcd.com/EDMGRB8KJF |
| 20:37.31 | prpplague | i've used that one in several projects |
| 20:45.37 | ds3 | that one is huge; I will settle for 320x240 range but 4" or smaller |
| 20:45.58 | ds3 | I'd think they should be surplused often given the amount of PDAs out there |
| 20:53.34 | prpplague | ds3: yea |
| 20:54.06 | prpplague | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CES10717 |
| 21:02.52 | prpplague | wahoo |
| 21:02.53 | prpplague | http://www.nasdaq.com//aspxcontent/newsstory.aspx?selected=SCOX&symbol=SCOX%60&textpath=20070427%5CACQKNB200704271622KNOBIAS%5FNEWS%5F%5F%5F%5F2007042720%5F1098%2Ehtm&cdtime=04%2F27%2F2007+4%3A22PM |
| 21:08.13 | prpplague | http://www.nasdaq.com//aspxcontent/newsstory.aspx?selected=SCOX&symbol=SCOX%60&textpath=20070427%5CACQPRN200704271605PR%5FNEWS%5FUSPR%5F%5F%5F%5F%5FLAF053%2Ehtm&cdtime=04%2F27%2F2007+4%3A05PM |
| 21:08.17 | prpplague | lovely!!!! |
| 21:09.05 | agaffney | owned |
| 21:09.08 | prpplague | surprised it hasn't hit /. |
| 21:09.19 | agaffney | submit it |
| 21:10.04 | ds3 | aren't M505's 160x160 rez? |
| 21:10.35 | ds3 | (irritation comment of the day - I hate FC6 so very very very very much) |
| 21:11.37 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:12.18 | ds3 | Halted had stuff like that for a while |
| 21:15.37 | ds3 | am I correct in assuming that the touch screen resolution is seperate from LCD res? (i.e. I can take a palm 160x160 touch screen film and use it on a 640x480 LCD assuming it fits physically? |
| 21:16.32 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:16.42 | prpplague | but it's bonded to the glass iirc |
| 21:17.44 | ds3 | the palm ones have a seperate glass |
| 21:18.00 | ds3 | http://www.gethightech.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=GHT&Category_Code=_P3DIG |
| 21:18.40 | ds3 | there is a sadoku game for $6 that i been meaning to rip apart for the touch screen film |
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