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| 01:52.49 | MonMotha | stupid unrealiable cable modem |
| 01:53.27 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, try having a unreliable dsl modem |
| 01:53.48 | g1powermac_PB | especially one that likes to go flakey when its raining out |
| 01:54.31 | MonMotha | cable modems do that, too |
| 01:55.11 | g1powermac_PB | the two times I've had cable out here, its been pretty stable, thank goodness |
| 01:55.38 | g1powermac_PB | the only issue the cable line I'm on now at the house was that the dns was really flakey |
| 01:55.51 | g1powermac_PB | but i switched to opendns which fixed the problem |
| 01:56.06 | g1powermac_PB | but the dsl line at my job is really bad |
| 02:01.55 | MonMotha | my DNS is flake |
| 02:01.57 | MonMotha | y |
| 02:02.01 | MonMotha | but this is it dropping the line every 10 minutes |
| 02:02.03 | MonMotha | hopefully once I move I'll be able to get better access |
| 02:02.07 | MonMotha | the city I'm moving to has FIOS |
| 02:02.11 | MonMotha | I just run my own DNS server |
| 02:02.17 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, nice |
| 02:02.17 | MonMotha | I can do a recursive lookup faster than their server can return a cached response |
| 02:02.21 | MonMotha | not to mention my server doesn't NXDOMAIN things when the real problem is that it just timed out |
| 02:03.05 | g1powermac_PB | either you're stuck with the monopolistic phone or cable company, if you're lucky |
| 02:03.07 | MonMotha | I could get DSL here, but it would be slower, PPPoE, and cost more |
| 02:03.17 | g1powermac_PB | if you move in certain areas, you'll still be on dial up |
| 02:03.18 | MonMotha | since I don't have a landline |
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| 02:03.49 | MonMotha | oh yeah, just go 5 minutes from here and you can get ISDN if yuou want to pay a ton, otherwise you're stuck with plain old dialup that probably won't actually achieve peak v.90 performance |
| 02:04.05 | g1powermac_PB | when I first moved out here, I was stuck on dial up for 6 months, which really sucked |
| 02:04.57 | MonMotha | I had dialup until about 2002 |
| 02:05.15 | MonMotha | good dialup at least, since the line was digitized at the street, and CAT5 to the house |
| 02:05.38 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, thats good |
| 02:05.46 | g1powermac_PB | I've had my dial up killed a few times |
| 02:06.00 | g1powermac_PB | stupid contractors next door ripped up the phone lines |
| 02:06.31 | g1powermac_PB | had to go out there with some phone cable, shock myself a few times, and hook it back together for a temporary fix :-) |
| 02:07.05 | g1powermac_PB | dang phone lines have quite a few volts going through them ;-) |
| 02:11.03 | MonMotha | the initial connection speed was always 52000 or 53333 |
| 02:11.20 | MonMotha | I think their CMTS is having issues |
| 02:11.22 | MonMotha | the QAM carrier appears to be staying up, but with no data on it |
| 02:11.26 | MonMotha | and when it comes back up, it sends out ARP requests for every host on the network, which means it probably had its' ARP cache cleared |
| 02:11.33 | MonMotha | 120VAC if it's ringing |
| 02:11.59 | g1powermac_PB | yea, found that out a few times. . . |
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| 13:05.17 | d-d-c | hello GPSFan |
| 13:14.11 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:31.58 | d-d-c | hello |
| 13:34.40 | GPSFan | morning.. |
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| 13:55.07 | d-d-c | GPSFan: i fixed the dht-walnut problem |
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| 13:55.20 | d-d-c | it was a combined sw and hw problem |
| 13:56.51 | GPSFan | good. |
| 13:59.16 | d-d-c | i'm comparing ppcboot with uboot |
| 14:00.08 | d-d-c | the uboot has a bug in pci initialization, while ppcboot has not |
| 14:17.31 | d-d-c | also i've fallen in love with the raven cable |
| 14:17.40 | d-d-c | i think i will study and clone it |
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| 14:18.56 | GPSFan | if you come up with a schematic of raven let me know. |
| 14:19.52 | prpplague^2 | GPSFan: raven cable? |
| 14:19.58 | prpplague^2 | GPSFan: that a jtag ? |
| 14:20.44 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
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| 14:21.03 | prpplague | chouimat: greetings |
| 14:21.09 | GPSFan | prpplague: yes, raven is another of mcgregior's sor of the higher priced version of wiggler. |
| 14:21.18 | GPSFan | s/sor/sort |
| 14:21.29 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh parport? |
| 14:21.34 | GPSFan | yes. |
| 14:21.50 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:21.58 | chouimat | GPSFan: what are the difference between the 2? |
| 14:22.31 | GPSFan | chouimat: $$ and I think raven has an internal fpga. |
| 14:22.40 | prpplague | that would have been my guess |
| 14:22.49 | chouimat | GPSFan: ok |
| 14:23.28 | chouimat | prpplague soon I will be free of the tin-foil hat crap ... another month or so |
| 14:23.59 | GPSFan | prpplague: speed with wiggler sucks at best, but having something that works beats a fast pod that doesn't |
| 14:24.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe true, our ft2232 based jtag is pretty darn fast though |
| 14:26.02 | chouimat | GPSFan: I find it ok ish ... if only could use the one I have with mips too ... |
| 14:26.02 | GPSFan | prpplague: If Iwas doing arm only I'd have one (sparkfun version) |
| 14:26.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
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| 15:08.44 | d-d-c | g1powermac_PB no, what ? |
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| 16:01.18 | prpplague | anyone every seen a flash based handheld simulator/emulator? |
| 16:01.58 | chouimat | prpplague saw this? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHigP6BkC8pE&refer=home |
| 16:07.22 | prpplague | yea heard about it this morning |
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| 16:26.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 16:27.02 | CosmicPenguin | pong |
| 16:27.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fb question |
| 16:27.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i have a weird situation with a handheld device |
| 16:27.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it has a small lcd 128x96 |
| 16:27.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: problem is that the lcd is actually going to mounted upside down in the case |
| 16:28.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you had any experience in "flipping" the fb ? |
| 16:28.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i.e. a 180 degree rotation |
| 16:29.13 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - the ipaq had a rotated FB |
| 16:29.31 | CosmicPenguin | rotation is no big deal - the kernel supports it natively |
| 16:29.48 | CosmicPenguin | and 180 degree rotation is the easiest of the rotations |
| 16:29.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i thought the rotation was just a 90 degree rotation |
| 16:30.10 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - the Ipaq rotation was 90 degrees |
| 16:30.20 | CosmicPenguin | but if you support one rotation, generally you support them all |
| 16:30.27 | CosmicPenguin | and like I said, 180 is the easiest |
| 16:35.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did i tell you we found the problem with the lcd? |
| 16:35.49 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 16:48.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/28/1554259 |
| 16:51.40 | CosmicPenguin | I know one thing - I am more disappointed and disenfranchised with the LInux community then I have ever been |
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| 16:52.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh? may i inquire as to your reasoning? |
| 16:53.08 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: a lot of people are |
| 16:54.06 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: hows life at MV these days? |
| 16:54.17 | dfarnsworth | Great! |
| 16:54.18 | CosmicPenguin | I guess its a realization at how few actually understand and embrace the concept of free and open software |
| 16:55.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i.e. the attitude torwards allowing m$ to run on the OLPC? |
| 16:55.25 | CosmicPenguin | Absolutely |
| 16:55.58 | dfarnsworth | :) Actually, MV management is much better than it was a while back |
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| 16:56.00 | CosmicPenguin | And also the attitude that Linux can only be successful when its the only operating system in play |
| 16:56.14 | dfarnsworth | prpplague, that makes MV life more tolerable. :) |
| 16:56.21 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: the "zealot attitude" :) |
| 16:56.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i equate that with the similiar attitudes of people who don't understand why we should allow neo-nazis and KKK to have free speech |
| 16:56.35 | wmat | everybody hates a zealot |
| 16:56.40 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think its zealotry |
| 16:56.48 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: lovely |
| 16:56.56 | CosmicPenguin | I think its a secret fear that all this isn't nearly as good as we claim it is |
| 16:57.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if we are to have free speech, it appls to everyone |
| 16:57.11 | prpplague | applys |
| 16:57.11 | CosmicPenguin | Bottom line - if a country choses Microsoft over Linux, who failed? |
| 16:57.14 | wmat | i stopped going to LUGs ages ago due to the stupid MS bashing |
| 16:57.57 | prpplague | wmat: i'm not a fan of m$ but they have their role to play in the market |
| 16:58.14 | chouimat | prpplague I agree in part on what you said ... because if the "society you live in decided that the value of the neo-nazi and the kkk are bad" then I'm not sure if they should have free speech :) |
| 16:58.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 16:58.36 | wmat | my point is that they're as welcome to participate in a free market as much as the next company; I'm also not a fan of M$ |
| 16:58.46 | prpplague | chouimat: i'm sorry i did not understand your point |
| 16:58.50 | CosmicPenguin | All we've ever asked of Microsoft is that they play nicely with us |
| 16:59.01 | wmat | yep |
| 16:59.15 | wmat | so long as no laws are broken (again), they can do what they want |
| 16:59.21 | wmat | and likewise for FOSS |
| 16:59.23 | CosmicPenguin | So this epsiode shows two things - 1) we are very petty and hypocritical and 2) we're way more scared of Microsoft then they thought |
| 16:59.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, in reality, it doesn't even matter if they don't play nice |
| 17:00.25 | chouimat | prpplague let just say that I don't think they deserve free speech because they spread hate and stuff like this ... but then again I also think that "religious movement" should be kept quiet too :) |
| 17:00.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well - it doesn't matter if they play nice - but thats what we have asked of them |
| 17:00.25 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, you can't start by censoring one group without it creeping into others |
| 17:00.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right, thats what i said |
| 17:01.01 | chouimat | prpplague so let censor every one and we will be happier ;) |
| 17:01.11 | wmat | it's be nice if the best tech always won |
| 17:01.21 | prpplague | chouimat: uh maybe you guys in CA might want that, but i don't |
| 17:01.33 | wmat | prpplague: not this guy in CA |
| 17:01.39 | chouimat | prpplague hehe |
| 17:01.44 | CosmicPenguin | Summary - if nothing else good comes out of the OLPC project, then at least maybe we will figure out that we're not as high and mighty as we thought we were |
| 17:01.47 | wmat | chouimat: we should just censor the French ;) |
| 17:02.26 | chouimat | wmat: nah everyone who have racist point of views ... Quebec and Alberta come to mind :) |
| 17:03.07 | prpplague | chouimat: then you get into what is a racist view |
| 17:03.37 | prpplague | chouimat: you can't really censor anyone unless they specifically advocate violence |
| 17:03.46 | chouimat | prpplague I know |
| 17:04.00 | chouimat | ok time to go to this stupid meeting |
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| 17:46.50 | sjhill | who's around |
| 17:47.36 | CosmicPenguin | I'm still here, El Guappo |
| 17:47.41 | sjhill | heh |
| 17:48.37 | sjhill | nevermind, nothing to see here |
| 17:48.46 | CosmicPenguin | fine - be that way |
| 17:48.56 | MonMotha | move along, move along |
| 17:49.29 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: how are things? |
| 17:49.52 | CosmicPenguin | sameol |
| 17:50.47 | sjhill | that bad, eh? |
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| 17:55.55 | CosmicPenguin | Apparently, the workstation we all uses eats USB cards |
| 17:56.05 | CosmicPenguin | One of my co-workers has been fighting with USB 2.0 cards for a while now |
| 17:56.12 | CosmicPenguin | and lo and behold, mine just went poof too |
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| 20:39.26 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: doh |
| 20:45.26 | joe_bleau | prp: get some mudflaps for the front wheels, ASAP |
| 20:47.13 | GPSFan | prpplague^2: mind my asking what kind of car is a HHR (Honda-Hot-Rod perhaps?) ;>) |
| 20:47.51 | prpplague^2 | http://www.getchevatgan.com/images/fun/chev/2006-Chevy-HHR-2LT-SA-Studio-1024.jpg |
| 20:47.55 | prpplague^2 | mine is silver |
| 20:49.15 | GPSFan | prpplague^2: ..nice... |
| 20:49.45 | prpplague^2 | and cheap |
| 20:51.36 | ds2 | what is the claimed MPG? |
| 20:53.53 | g1powermac | prpplague^2, would you know of an external controller chip for the lcd in the JB that has drivers in uclinux? |
| 20:55.04 | prpplague^2 | you totally lost me |
| 20:55.08 | agaffney | prpplague^2: wtf is that thing? |
| 20:55.14 | prpplague^2 | g1powermac: try again |
| 20:55.26 | prpplague^2 | agaffney: not seen a HHR before? |
| 20:55.33 | agaffney | I don't think so |
| 20:55.36 | agaffney | and I don't really like it |
| 20:55.50 | agaffney | http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/mytruck.php |
| 20:55.56 | g1powermac | prpplague^2, I'm still looking for a ARM cpu replacement for the JB, but almost non that are in QFP packaging have a lcd controller |
| 20:56.11 | prpplague^2 | yea |
| 20:56.17 | g1powermac | prpplague^2, was wondering if I can use an external lcd controller chip which also might be supported in uclinux |
| 20:56.50 | prpplague^2 | there are a number of lcd controller chips, but you start getting into timming issues with hobbist work |
| 20:57.05 | prpplague^2 | agaffney: i'm not really a car person, i just need it to be practical |
| 20:57.20 | g1powermac | prpplague^2, hmmm |
| 20:57.30 | g1powermac | prpplague^2, how badly of timing issues? |
| 20:58.03 | prpplague^2 | for the lcd in the jb, probably alot |
| 20:58.22 | prpplague^2 | g1powermac: you are really gonna need something with a lcd controller on the SoC |
| 20:58.29 | g1powermac | bah, ok |
| 21:00.36 | ds2 | make one out of a CPLD |
| 21:00.42 | ds2 | it is not as horrible as it would seem |
| 21:00.54 | g1powermac | ds2, I was thinking that, but I don't have enough experience with vhdl to do it, yet |
| 21:01.13 | ds2 | bah no need for VHDL |
| 21:01.28 | g1powermac | ?! |
| 21:01.32 | ds2 | very doable with PALASM and a pair of 22V10's |
| 21:01.41 | ds2 | probally 1 22V10 since that is a lot smaller |
| 21:01.46 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 21:01.55 | g1powermac | this isn't a simple lcd |
| 21:02.03 | ds2 | I know |
| 21:02.18 | g1powermac | you think a single GAL would do it? |
| 21:02.20 | ds2 | I had to do one with PALASM and a few 22V10 as a class asignment |
| 21:02.25 | ds2 | so it is doable |
| 21:02.30 | g1powermac | interesting |
| 21:02.32 | ds2 | and I was sloppy using more then 1 22V10 |
| 21:02.51 | g1powermac | how did you interface it? |
| 21:02.53 | ds2 | (this is with those 640x240 "fedex' monoLCD that are treated as 4 quad) |
| 21:02.59 | g1powermac | going straight to the system bus? |
| 21:03.10 | ds2 | used a VRAM chip |
| 21:03.25 | ds2 | CPU talks on the parallel side, the PAL yanks it from the serial side |
| 21:03.36 | g1powermac | ahh, so, system bus -> VRAM -> cpld -< lcd |
| 21:03.49 | ds2 | yep |
| 21:03.53 | g1powermac | interesting |
| 21:04.14 | ds2 | main thing is study the dataheet timing very carefully |
| 21:04.51 | g1powermac | well, that could be interesting, as it seems on the wiki that it isn't a standard model |
| 21:05.07 | g1powermac | there's a link to a similar model, but not the exact one |
| 21:05.40 | ds2 | you will need those timing regardless of what controller you use so... |
| 21:09.05 | ds2 | the task is more or less... generate a frame clock, generate pixel clocks which shift in data; and repeat...there might be another master clock that inverts at every frame; the timing comes in the the form of having to give certain extra clocks and/or delays relative to the other clocks |
| 21:09.38 | ds2 | the JB one should be small enough that it appears as 1 LCD |
| 21:23.34 | g1powermac | interesting |
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