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| 19:30.21 | T0mW | too many freakin' languages: "void keystep (void (*next); int duration)" or "void keystep (void (*next), int duration)" |
| 19:30.22 | T0mW | heh |
| 19:30.49 | T0mW | I'm mixing up pascal and C stuff now. |
| 19:51.35 | MonMotha | oh boy...Java |
| 19:51.46 | MonMotha | now there's a language I haven't had any use for since I learned it |
| 19:51.50 | T0mW | MonMotha: ooo goody! |
| 19:52.12 | T0mW | MonMotha: you must be "special" to have been given a task such as that |
| 19:52.20 | T0mW | heh ;-) |
| 19:52.22 | MonMotha | some of the smaller scripting languages seem rather useful |
| 19:52.27 | MonMotha | and of course C |
| 19:52.31 | MonMotha | T0mW: classwork |
| 19:52.31 | T0mW | yeah, like perl |
| 19:52.41 | MonMotha | well, perl has gotten kinda fatty |
| 19:52.46 | MonMotha | it is a least modular, though |
| 19:52.57 | MonMotha | lua seems useful |
| 19:53.13 | MonMotha | especially since it's REALLY easy to embed in other applications |
| 19:53.26 | MonMotha | and pretty small, only a few 100k |
| 19:53.26 | T0mW | MonMotha: I just was negotiating with a client that is now abandoning a very large Java application in favor of returning the original code base. |
| 19:53.45 | MonMotha | what's the original code written in? |
| 19:53.48 | MonMotha | Pascal? |
| 19:53.57 | MonMotha | (heaven forbid) COBOL? |
| 19:53.58 | T0mW | MonMotha: from what I hear, they spent a few million $$$ developing the app. |
| 19:54.11 | T0mW | MonMotha: naw, original was in Pascal |
| 19:54.21 | MonMotha | ah, see, only "real programmers" know Pascal |
| 19:54.26 | T0mW | lol |
| 19:54.27 | MonMotha | everybody and their dog knows Java |
| 19:54.30 | MonMotha | so you end up with crap |
| 19:54.49 | T0mW | MonMotha: but, if you know pascal you can charge them $75/hr |
| 19:54.49 | ds2 | let's fork the linux kernel and rewrite it in pascal ;) |
| 19:55.07 | MonMotha | also, only "real programmers" dare program a 1k micro in C. It's quite doable if you're smart, and not at all doable if you don't know what you're doing |
| 19:55.37 | MonMotha | then there are the people who amaze even me by programming that same 1k micro in C++... |
| 19:57.01 | T0mW | somebody suckered them into porting over to Java, now they find that the app runs very slowly (in comparison to the compiled pascal) and thier clients don't like using it. It means that the client now has to retrain a lot of their people to use the new java web based application. |
| 19:57.26 | T0mW | previously, the pascal app was a simple terminal app and that was fine with their clients |
| 19:57.55 | T0mW | I would say that a gui is not the correct solution in all situations. Heheh |
| 19:58.22 | MonMotha | oh certainly |
| 19:58.46 | MonMotha | what gets me is the large number of places running Windows with nothing more than a terminal emulator connecting to an old AS/400 or whatever running some app |
| 19:58.58 | MonMotha | why not save yourself the Microsoft tax and run linux |
| 19:59.04 | T0mW | yupper, "we have a cool new app" |
| 19:59.05 | MonMotha | or hell, why not use a *dumb terminal* |
| 19:59.21 | MonMotha | but yeah, it must be modern! It runs Windows! |
| 19:59.27 | T0mW | heh |
| 19:59.50 | joe_bleau | I worked someplace like that once. Turns out it was cheaper to buy PCs (with winblows) than the IBM dumb terminals |
| 20:00.01 | MonMotha | crazy |
| 20:00.08 | T0mW | MonMotha: it may even be slower, but just look at the functionality that could be there now that it is a windows app. |
| 20:00.23 | T0mW | the operative word is "could" |
| 20:00.52 | MonMotha | heh |
| 20:00.59 | T0mW | joe_bleau: yeah, too much work to remove windows, install linux and run a truely good terminal emulator. |
| 20:01.31 | T0mW | yay! HyperTerm! |
| 20:01.34 | joe_bleau | Don't know. Does linux have hardware support for that goofy twinax networking stuff? |
| 20:02.08 | joe_bleau | This was as/400 stuff. |
| 20:02.28 | T0mW | sigh, but if this job goes through, I guess that a brush with a mainframe could be in my future... |
| 20:02.43 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: probably |
| 20:02.58 | MonMotha | Linux has hardware support for networking standards I'd never heard of until I saw them in the Linux kernel config :) |
| 20:03.44 | MonMotha | and that's totally ignoring all the patches for stuff that isn't in mainline |
| 20:17.50 | chouimat | hi |
| 20:20.27 | sunrunner20 | you can throw together a basic PC for ~$100 |
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