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| 03:16.46 | jbevren | elinux.org is refusing http connections |
| 03:16.59 | T0mW | :( that's not nice |
| 03:17.09 | jbevren | indeed :( |
| 03:17.12 | jbevren | also hi Tom :) |
| 03:17.41 | T0mW | Unable to connect |
| 03:17.41 | T0mW | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.42 | T0mW | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.46 | T0mW | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:17.50 | T0mW | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.52 | T0mW | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.elinux.org. |
| 03:18.00 | T0mW | ding ding ding |
| 03:19.05 | T0mW | jbevren: just ordered 4 SATA-II 320GB drives, and a raid-5 mo'board (I have two other 320G SATA drives) |
| 03:21.50 | jbevren | very cool :) |
| 03:21.55 | jbevren | I run 4x pata 400g |
| 03:22.08 | jbevren | a 3ware raid5 provides hardware raid |
| 03:22.25 | jbevren | I have yet to see an on-motherboard raidset that was really a raid chipset :) |
| 03:22.35 | jbevren | not that linux/md arent good raid |
| 03:24.56 | T0mW | jbevren: how about this one: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=G965M-FIR&class=mb |
| 03:26.12 | T0mW | jbevren: 6 SATA-II controllers, intel G965 chipset, hardware RAID-5 |
| 03:27.06 | T0mW | jbevren: if I'm wrong, please disabuse me of it now. heh, before the order comes in and I find I have another freakin' sw raid |
| 03:30.33 | jbevren | heh |
| 03:30.35 | jbevren | I'm unsure |
| 03:30.45 | jbevren | best bet is to configure an array in the firmware and see if linux still finds 4 drives |
| 03:31.17 | jbevren | that said, I'm sure youve already investigated things ;) |
| 03:31.45 | T0mW | jbevren: I'm still a bit over my head with this SATA crap^H^H^H^H stuff |
| 03:34.45 | jbevren | shrug |
| 03:34.59 | jbevren | Ive not had problems with sata, excepting one system (my laptop) |
| 03:35.03 | jbevren | the internald rive is sata |
| 03:35.09 | jbevren | but if I enable sata, I cant use the cdrom |
| 03:35.15 | jbevren | if I use pata emulation, I dont get DMA |
| 03:36.37 | jbevren | this system, however, used raid0 (linux md) on the sata chipset |
| 03:36.48 | jbevren | the nvidia raid is known to be software raid, so I didnt bother :) |
| 03:39.20 | T0mW | jbevren: yeah, I have two systems running software raid-1 with PATA drives |
| 03:40.24 | T0mW | jbevren: I have client that is whining about network performance, not enough RAM in his workstation, and just plain chews up disk space. Sooo... |
| 03:42.00 | T0mW | jbevren: So, I figured that I would throw together a: Intel P4 3.2Ghz Preston, 5 X 320G SATA-II (should yield 1tb), 4GB DDR2 PC6400 RAM. |
| 03:42.21 | T0mW | jbevren: Gigabit lan |
| 03:42.39 | T0mW | jbevren: then show him what a measly $1k can get you. |
| 03:43.16 | T0mW | jbevren: heck, if he doesn't use it, I will. |
| 03:43.53 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:44.01 | jbevren | I have two seagate sataII drives |
| 03:44.03 | jbevren | raid0 |
| 03:44.12 | jbevren | sustained sequential transfers are faster than PCI :) |
| 03:44.28 | jbevren | around 140MB/sec |
| 03:45.58 | T0mW | good, that mo'board is HW raid: http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12694-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=33025&messageID=608059&start=-1 |
| 03:47.11 | jbevren | It operates as a "hardware" RAID because it can be transparent to the OS but it utilizes the general purpose CPU to do the work. |
| 03:47.14 | jbevren | that concerns me |
| 03:47.20 | jbevren | it uses the cpu to do raid work |
| 03:47.40 | jbevren | softraid would be faster than my 3ware hands-down |
| 03:47.55 | T0mW | jbevren: well, at least it is not running through the kernel |
| 03:48.05 | jbevren | thats why it concerns me :) |
| 03:48.16 | jbevren | if it uses the CPU, linux has to be aware of it, since linux is ring0 |
| 03:48.31 | jbevren | is it safe to assume linux will be the OS on the server? |
| 03:49.16 | T0mW | jbevren: doh! |
| 03:49.21 | T0mW | heh |
| 03:49.46 | jbevren | I'm not against softraid ;) |
| 03:49.47 | T0mW | "we don't want no filthy Microsoft boxes around here" |
| 03:50.00 | jbevren | but I'm against manufacturers claiming that softraid chipsets are hardraid |
| 03:50.57 | T0mW | jbevren: I've been following something this guy has been doing and he did some performance tests on the G965 raid-5, so I decided it was time to check it out: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=484 |
| 03:51.37 | T0mW | jbevren: newegg has all the pieces, good pricing. |
| 03:52.22 | T0mW | jbevren: so, I got a total of 6 SATA-II drives: 5 for use and a spare to play with hot-swapping |
| 03:52.55 | jbevren | nod |
| 03:53.04 | jbevren | it'll scream especially if it -is- softraid |
| 03:53.19 | jbevren | any cpu you put on there will beat any sub-$1000 hardware raidset :) |
| 03:55.15 | T0mW | I was wondering if I could use that box as an X-server to several dumb X-client machines. Like have differnet users launch individual X sessions on that box? |
| 03:55.32 | T0mW | do it over a Gigbit connection |
| 03:55.46 | jbevren | I do it over 100T |
| 03:55.50 | jbevren | its really not bad at that speed |
| 03:55.52 | T0mW | replace the three windows computers with VMware instances |
| 03:56.03 | jbevren | I'd do it this way |
| 03:56.08 | jbevren | run a vmware server on the big box |
| 03:56.16 | jbevren | and run vmware client and x on the terminals |
| 03:56.28 | T0mW | they are 1.2Ghz boxes, two running Win2k, the other WinXP |
| 03:56.31 | jbevren | that way vmware can transparently port audio to the terminals (as necessary) |
| 03:57.00 | T0mW | IIRC, vmware server is still a free download? |
| 03:57.08 | jbevren | yeah for noncommercial use |
| 03:57.13 | T0mW | heh |
| 03:57.16 | jbevren | the server can be configured to accept remote clients |
| 03:57.57 | T0mW | something to perhaps tinker with anyway |
| 04:01.09 | jbevren | hm |
| 04:01.18 | jbevren | the gigabyte board with this chipset notes raid 0 1 and jbod |
| 04:01.23 | jbevren | and two of the ports are on another raidset |
| 04:01.36 | jbevren | 4x on the intel chip.. 2x on a gigabyte chip |
| 04:02.03 | T0mW | jbod? |
| 04:02.10 | jbevren | just a bunch of disks |
| 04:02.12 | jbevren | non-raid setup |
| 04:02.40 | T0mW | I had to hunt around until I found a board with the 6 sata ports |
| 04:02.55 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:03.05 | jbevren | the gigabyte I have on my other amd64 has 8 |
| 04:03.10 | T0mW | I'm NOT buying asus this time, MSI stuff has been pretty good. |
| 04:03.12 | jbevren | four on nvidia sata, four on a silicon image chip |
| 04:04.07 | jbevren | I'm unimpressed with their windows network driver |
| 04:04.14 | T0mW | I tossed two rather expensive mo'boards with nvidia chipsets on them because they randomly locked up on Win2k And Linux |
| 04:04.28 | jbevren | shrug |
| 04:04.33 | jbevren | my gigabytes have been stable |
| 04:04.41 | T0mW | nod |
| 04:04.45 | jbevren | driver issues aside (nvidia ref driver blows if you change screen modes too much) |
| 04:04.51 | T0mW | I haven't tried that brand |
| 04:04.58 | jbevren | I (heart) gigabyte |
| 04:05.09 | jbevren | this system has two fans :) |
| 04:05.11 | jbevren | cpu, psu |
| 04:05.18 | jbevren | no chipset or gpu fans |
| 04:05.36 | T0mW | I got an Antec case with two 120mm fans in it |
| 04:05.49 | jbevren | nod, 120's rock |
| 04:05.57 | T0mW | yeah, and quiet too |
| 04:06.55 | jbevren | nodnod |
| 04:07.00 | T0mW | well, time for some tv, then bed |
| 04:07.02 | T0mW | cul |
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| 11:58.46 | Crofton | wmat_, ping |
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| 12:53.23 | wmat_ | Crofton: pong |
| 12:53.40 | Crofton | did you recommend geekisp.com to me? |
| 12:53.47 | wmat | yeah, probably |
| 12:54.08 | Crofton | ok |
| 12:54.25 | Crofton | he was sking how I heard about him |
| 12:54.52 | wmat | do they look like they'll meet your needs? |
| 12:55.53 | Crofton | yeah |
| 12:56.02 | Crofton | pretty awesome so far |
| 12:56.18 | wmat | that's great |
| 12:56.54 | Crofton | You are Bill Traynor? |
| 12:57.12 | wmat | yep, that's me |
| 12:57.40 | Crofton | I'll let him know, maybe you can get a free month or something :) |
| 12:57.58 | Crofton | what domain, if you do not mind? |
| 12:59.45 | wmat | the only one i'm doing anything with right now is www.naoi.ca |
| 13:00.09 | wmat | and it appears that i'm not doing anything, as I recently deleted a bunch of blog posts |
| 13:00.26 | Crofton | well, I let him know how I heard about them |
| 13:00.36 | Crofton | let me know if you get anything from it :) |
| 13:02.11 | wmat | cool, thanks, and I will |
| 13:02.45 | Crofton | How is the training coming along? |
| 13:03.30 | wmat | training? |
| 13:03.38 | Crofton | for the half marathon :) |
| 13:04.30 | wmat | ah, haha, it's very very painful right now |
| 13:04.41 | Crofton | no pain, no gain |
| 13:05.06 | wmat | it's so hard just to not quit |
| 13:05.07 | Crofton | good luck |
| 13:05.12 | Crofton | hopefully you can collect |
| 13:05.13 | wmat | thanks, i'm going to need it |
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| 13:26.02 | prpplague | sjhill: been a busy little bee lately |
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| 13:30.32 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:31.15 | prpplague | chouimat: greetings |
| 13:35.21 | sjhill | prpplague: i'm not done |
| 13:35.38 | sjhill | i have kernel patches for multiple boards and driver fixes going in too |
| 13:39.53 | prpplague | sjhill: lovely |
| 13:40.47 | prpplague | sjhill: guess things are going well then? |
| 13:41.14 | sjhill | yeah |
| 13:41.16 | sjhill | stressful |
| 13:41.27 | sjhill | and my wife will be induced on May 18th |
| 13:41.34 | sjhill | if my son doesn't arrive before then |
| 13:42.02 | prpplague | sjhill: oh fun fun |
| 13:44.35 | sjhill | prpplague: what are you up to? how's the immigration stuff? |
| 13:48.56 | prpplague | sjhill: still doing handhelds for AML, we have a new design cycle going for a new one |
| 13:49.13 | prpplague | sjhill: as far as immigration goes, @#$#&#$^&$%*$^&$%^& |
| 13:49.23 | prpplague | sjhill: still getting the jerk around |
| 13:49.47 | prpplague | sjhill: we are hoping that everything will be cleared up this week, but we aren't getting our hopes too high |
| 13:53.14 | sjhill | sheesh |
| 13:54.28 | prpplague | sjhill: after my background check was complete for the Adam Walsh Act, instead of sending our documents back to the consulate, they sent them to the national storage center for storage |
| 13:57.55 | prpplague | sjhill: then on top of that, she had an appointment for last monday to go into the consulate, when she arrived it was closed. they had a scheduled a day of maintenance and training |
| 13:58.47 | prpplague | sjhill: so i call to reschedule the next day with the DoS appointment service, and they tell me that because she failed to show for her appointment that she'd be at the bottom of the list for a new appointment |
| 13:59.03 | prpplague | sjhill: i went ballistic and got the consulate on the phone to clear it up |
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| 14:15.03 | prpplague | sjhill: just so sick of the immigration system punishing people who are trying to do the right thing, and rewards people who don't |
| 14:15.47 | prpplague | sjhill: and just like so many other things, the politicians are totally out of touch with the problems with the system |
| 14:16.57 | prpplague | sjhill: when i spoke to senator hutchinson awhile back, she was like "uh why would the adam walsh act cause a problem with immigration?" |
| 14:17.11 | prpplague | she voted for the bill and had no clue about the problems it caused |
| 14:17.22 | prpplague | didn't even know about the immigration clause |
| 14:20.58 | prpplague | processing fees for visa are going up 400% |
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| 14:21.16 | prpplague | and they wonder why people don't apply for them |
| 14:21.44 | prpplague | not like these poor mexicans coming over can afford to pay $2000 for a visa |
| 14:22.39 | prpplague | i still think they should have a program where the fees are taken directly out of their paychecks |
| 14:23.11 | prpplague | that way there would be more incentive for them to it legally |
| 14:27.57 | chouimat | prpplague it would be simplier if they told you a big no ... :) |
| 14:28.16 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe, lets not think that way |
| 14:28.53 | chouimat | prpplague I'm not thinking that way but they way they act sound like it's the way they want to think ;) |
| 14:29.39 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, its mainly the fact that there are so many different agencies that have to comply with so many conflicting policies/rules |
| 14:30.47 | prpplague | chouimat: just like the Adam Walsh Act, the politicians feels that something is a good idea and pass it as law. the problem stems from the fact no one considers the ramifications or implementation of the law BEFORE its passed |
| 14:31.46 | Crofton | prpplague, that's called taxation :) |
| 14:32.26 | prpplague | Crofton: ? |
| 14:32.31 | chouimat | prpplague nice law :) |
| 14:32.40 | Crofton | fees taken from paycheck |
| 14:33.49 | prpplague | Crofton: naw, what i meant was that lets say that a mexican wants to come to the US to work temporarily, normally they'd have to pay around $2000 for the visa, upfront |
| 14:34.24 | prpplague | Crofton: instead, they pay a "downpayment" of $250USD and the remaining $1750 would be divided up by the length of the visa |
| 14:34.40 | prpplague | Crofton: i.e. if the visa was for 24 months it would be $1750/24 |
| 14:34.55 | chouimat | prpplague ok monthly paiement |
| 14:34.56 | prpplague | Crofton: and the ammount would be deducted from the paycheck |
| 14:35.10 | prpplague | chouimat: yea |
| 14:35.24 | chouimat | prpplague too simple ... that will never work ... |
| 14:35.40 | prpplague | that way you do two things, make sure that they get paid on the books, and that you can keep track of them |
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| 14:47.38 | sjhill | prpplague: wow, that's crazy |
| 14:49.43 | prpplague | sjhill: indeed |
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| 14:50.48 | prpplague | sjhill: i've been a life long republican, but talking with senator cornyn and senator hutchinson about immigration issues has really put a dent in my faith in the GOP |
| 14:51.16 | chouimat | prpplague wow |
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| 15:37.36 | CosmicPenguin | Huh - I don't know what spell check mutt is using here, but it sucks |
| 15:42.39 | agaffney | I'd assume it uses whatever program provides the 'spell' program |
| 15:42.46 | agaffney | here, it's aspell, and it works pretty well |
| 15:43.33 | CosmicPenguin | Its funny though - all my other spell checkers (which have to be using the same system) work well |
| 15:50.29 | sgnb | hi |
| 15:50.35 | sgnb | is there any buildroot guru here? |
| 15:51.02 | prpplague | sgnb: ask your question and wait to see if someone knows the answer, if so, they will respond |
| 15:51.52 | sgnb | I didn't manage to run udev on buildroot |
| 15:52.12 | sgnb | actually, it runs, but doesn't seem to do its job |
| 15:53.08 | sgnb | it doesn't load automatically my nic driver, usb drivers, etc. |
| 15:53.31 | sgnb | this is with a fresh buildroot on a i386 |
| 15:53.42 | sgnb | (via epia motherboard) |
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| 18:20.50 | prpplague | sgnb: iirc, there were some people having issues with udev recently |
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| 18:28.31 | chouimat | prpplague http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070507.wspycoins0507/BNStory/National/home |
| 18:29.03 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, already seen that |
| 18:29.22 | prpplague | chouimat: paranoia abounds |
| 18:29.28 | chouimat | prpplague you know you can treat paranoia :) |
| 18:31.54 | prpplague | chouimat: only kind of treatment is going to be an election |
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| 20:13.18 | prpplague | ~seen pb_ |
| 20:13.47 | purl | pb_ <n=pb@2002:5247:cbc1:1:290:27ff:fee5:85c2> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 26d 2h 38m 12s ago, saying: 'bd2: hi'. |
| 20:14.08 | prpplague | ~seen pb__ |
| 20:14.12 | purl | pb__ <n=pb@88-110-49-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 26d 31m 56s ago, saying: 'dunno. it's hard to imagine what real problem it would cause.'. |
| 20:25.42 | prpplague | wow what a last name "Chandrasekharaiah" |
| 20:26.22 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 20:26.32 | prpplague | can you imaging having to input your name over the phone to one of those automated menu systems? |
| 20:26.48 | prpplague | Crofton: donna's been at the consulate since 8am this morning |
| 20:26.54 | Crofton | ug |
| 20:27.09 | Crofton | is this good or bad? |
| 20:27.17 | Crofton | Maybe they will deport her |
| 20:27.19 | Crofton | to the US? |
| 20:27.25 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:27.56 | prpplague | Crofton: i like this graph - http://quotes.nasdaq.com/quote.dll?page=charting&mode=basics&selected=SCOX&symbol=scox&timeframe=6m&charttype=line |
| 20:28.14 | prpplague | Crofton: she's waiting to turn in her passport photos |
| 20:28.23 | prpplague | Crofton: and hopefully get her visa |
| 20:29.28 | prpplague | Crofton: i don't see how scox is going to make the requirments for the 180 review |
| 20:30.52 | MonMotha | prpplague: I don't see how scox still has any money left to bother with the 180 review |
| 20:30.56 | g1powermac | the volume of the stock is really, really bad |
| 20:30.57 | prpplague | MonMotha: they still have alot of contracts that haven't expired yet |
| 20:31.06 | g1powermac | that'll keep many of traders away from scox |
| 20:31.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: like abcs, my former emplyeer, they have a support contract and openunix licenses to sell up untill 2009 |
| 20:32.36 | g1powermac | prpplague, there's a good shot they'll be delisted with that kind of trade volumes |
| 20:33.56 | prpplague | g1powermac: volume of trades doesn't really mean much as far as delisting |
| 20:34.10 | g1powermac | trade volumes under 100,000 for stocks usually means to avoid trading that stock |
| 20:34.24 | g1powermac | prpplague, it does, if no one is interested in the stock :-) |
| 20:34.46 | g1powermac | and thats exactly what the volume of scox represents |
| 20:35.19 | g1powermac | been wanting to do some stock trading myself |
| 20:38.37 | prpplague | g1powermac: ahh |
| 20:38.56 | prpplague | g1powermac: well there is an initial listing requirements that scox will need to meet |
| 20:39.07 | prpplague | g1powermac: no volume is actually considered at that point |
| 20:39.18 | g1powermac | yea |
| 20:39.36 | g1powermac | just that I don't think the price is going to get above $1 a share with that kind of volume |
| 20:41.25 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea, scox has 180 to do atleast 10 days about $1 and possibly as many as 20 |
| 20:42.01 | prpplague | g1powermac: but even if they don't do that after 180, they can get another 180 IF they still met the initial listing requirements |
| 20:42.01 | g1powermac | interesting |
| 20:43.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you trust those guys over at bsquare? |
| 20:43.57 | g1powermac | btw, no interest in a stock usually means very little movement of the stock prices |
| 20:44.10 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea |
| 20:44.16 | g1powermac | so it can easily sit at $.80 for quite a while with those kind of volumes |
| 20:44.30 | prpplague | g1powermac: i don't expect much movement untill there is more movement in the court cases |
| 20:44.35 | g1powermac | yea |
| 20:44.45 | g1powermac | that can easily change it |
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| 21:06.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yes I do |
| 21:14.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is there a specific person at bsquare you'd recommend i speak to? |
| 21:14.58 | CosmicPenguin | The only people I know are engineers, and I think they frown on that |
| 21:21.59 | prpplague | hmm |
| 21:22.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh well |
| 21:24.07 | CosmicPenguin | but definately give them a ring |
| 21:25.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i have them at the top of the list for recomendations |
| 21:25.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just don't like the idea of dealing with winblows stuff |
| 21:27.02 | CosmicPenguin | thats part of being a major mover and shaker like yourself |
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| 23:02.41 | prpplague^2 | ho ho hum |
| 23:03.28 | prpplague^2 | hell hath no furry like a bajan woman who sits at the consulate for 8 hours without being seen for her appointment |
| 23:03.46 | g1powermac | heh |
| 23:05.36 | prpplague^2 | kinda tired of pizza |
| 23:07.40 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: @#$@#$$%^ the beer store is STILL out of milkstout |
| 23:12.16 | ds2 | are Linux on WinCE devices close enough for this channel? |
| 23:12.31 | CosmicPenguin | there is no such thing as a WinCE device |
| 23:12.35 | CosmicPenguin | there is a device that can run WinCE |
| 23:13.07 | ds2 | they all make one wince ;) |
| 23:13.23 | CosmicPenguin | winCE is closer to linux then you think |
| 23:13.42 | ds2 | when I see wince run w/o a GUI, I will agree |
| 23:16.05 | ds2 | besides, the ones I am thinking of have wince in the rom :/ |
| 23:16.43 | CosmicPenguin | I think you need to do some more research |
| 23:17.32 | ds2 | Jornada 720's come with it in mask rom unless you have a rare option for flash; unless we are talking about something different |
| 23:18.27 | prpplague^2 | ds2: just because wince is shipped in a OTP doesn't mean its a "wince device" |
| 23:18.33 | prpplague^2 | hardware is hardware |
| 23:18.57 | ds2 | okay, fair argument. will rephrase. |
| 23:19.38 | ds2 | what I am trying to figure out is, will stuff for the zipit run on a SA1100 system? |
| 23:20.05 | prpplague^2 | ds2: as long as it is compiled properly |
| 23:20.54 | ds2 | sorry to be annoying, that is the thing I been scratching my head over since last week (began with that question about the different arm family branches) |
| 23:21.27 | prpplague^2 | tool chains can be optomized for specific arm levels |
| 23:21.32 | ds2 | prehaps I should ask... for general user space stuff, should they be interchangeable (ignoring dynamic libraries) |
| 23:22.11 | ds2 | so is this like the situation with a Pentium III binary not working on a 386? |
| 23:22.13 | prpplague^2 | as long as it has not been optomized for a specific level i.e. arm5v vs armv4t |
| 23:22.17 | prpplague^2 | yea |
| 23:22.34 | ds2 | oh okay that makes some sense now |
| 23:22.55 | ds2 | just wish there was a chart showing what is a superset of what |
| 23:24.45 | prpplague^2 | ds2: get the arm arm or arm adg |
| 23:27.45 | ds2 | adg? |
| 23:28.19 | prpplague^2 | arch dev guide |
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| 23:30.45 | prpplague^2 | http://www.amazon.com/ARM-System-Developers-Guide-Architecture/dp/1558608745/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-8577341-4535230?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178580612&sr=1-1 |
| 23:31.34 | ds2 | ah |
| 23:31.35 | ds2 | thanks |
| 23:34.59 | prpplague^2 | np |