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| 14:40.42 | jbevren | http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8414361405.html |
| 14:40.48 | jbevren | anything known about this device? |
| 14:41.45 | jbevren | zzz |
| 14:41.47 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:45.59 | CosmicPenguin | cute |
| 14:50.44 | SpaceMonkey_ | cosmicpenguin: I feel we have something in common |
| 14:50.57 | CosmicPenguin | That feeling will pass |
| 14:51.35 | SpaceMonkey_ | lol |
| 14:51.44 | wmat | jbevren: gonna buy one? |
| 14:53.45 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:53.47 | jbevren | wmat: I want one |
| 14:53.55 | jbevren | theyre relatively cheap |
| 14:54.02 | jbevren | and Ive been wanting a linux box with composite output :) |
| 14:54.52 | jbevren | so not much is known? hehe |
| 14:56.28 | Crofton | what dsp is in the dm320? |
| 14:56.42 | SpaceMonkey_ | same as davinci I think |
| 14:56.46 | jbevren | wmat: as its configured, I'd find it pretty useful, but I'd love to be able to get a shell on it :) |
| 14:56.49 | SpaceMonkey_ | just running slower |
| 14:57.16 | wmat | jbevren: i'm sure that'd take you 10 minutes to figure out |
| 14:57.47 | wmat | the Neuros OSD is similar to this but comes completely open and ready to hack |
| 14:58.07 | jbevren | I havent checked hte price on the neruos recently |
| 15:00.20 | jbevren | about 2x the price heh |
| 15:00.20 | jbevren | er 1.5x :P |
| 15:00.20 | CosmicPenguin | hackability comes at a price |
| 15:00.20 | wmat | i tend to think it's worth it |
| 15:00.21 | wmat | there's a good community around the Neuros |
| 15:00.21 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:00.31 | jbevren | well I found that thinkgeek has a rebate |
| 15:00.32 | wmat | and i don't mind supporting companies that are open out of the gate |
| 15:00.46 | jbevren | or not |
| 15:00.54 | jbevren | wmat: I like the form factor as well |
| 15:00.59 | jbevren | (of the tornado) |
| 15:01.16 | wmat | is there a buy now link on their site, i couldn't see one |
| 15:01.36 | jbevren | I didnt look hard, I just saw that thinkgeek was selling them |
| 15:03.58 | wmat | ah |
| 15:04.56 | wmat | hmmm, i can't find it there |
| 15:05.06 | wmat | or Search: Tornado turned up nothing |
| 15:06.01 | jbevren | oh |
| 15:06.05 | jbevren | the tornado lol |
| 15:06.13 | jbevren | http://www.voiphardware.com/Sysmaster-Tornado-M10-Wireless-p/vh0095.htm |
| 15:06.20 | jbevren | I thought you were referring to the neruos |
| 15:06.26 | wmat | oh |
| 15:06.41 | wmat | i bought my neuros at AmericanTechPushers |
| 15:07.10 | jbevren | I havent heard of them |
| 15:07.22 | jbevren | lol I ask the voiphardware guys about the tornado |
| 15:07.25 | wmat | http://americantechpushers.com/ |
| 15:07.28 | jbevren | they ask me for contact details |
| 15:08.51 | wmat | i'm chatting with a sales person about the M10 |
| 15:09.42 | wmat | grrr, instead of answering my questions, he asked for my name |
| 15:09.48 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:09.50 | wmat | and then said "Hello" |
| 15:09.51 | jbevren | I dodged the question :) |
| 15:10.55 | wmat | now he's asking for my contact info |
| 15:11.39 | jbevren | it comes with an IR remote heh |
| 15:12.59 | wmat | oh, apparently he's going to tell me how to buy the M10 from canada |
| 15:13.13 | wmat | after I declined his contact info request |
| 15:13.31 | wmat | some companies just don't seem to want to make sales |
| 15:14.56 | jbevren | lol |
| 15:14.59 | jbevren | "Your welcome" |
| 15:15.07 | wmat | uhhh, Andy, my sales guy just dropped offline |
| 15:15.08 | jbevren | why do people hire techs that cant speak english? |
| 15:15.11 | jbevren | lol |
| 15:15.17 | wmat | haha |
| 15:16.56 | jbevren | so they have a wired lan device for $154 |
| 15:17.00 | jbevren | and a wifi one for $190 |
| 15:17.18 | wmat | jbevren: they email you already? |
| 15:19.12 | jbevren | not yet |
| 15:19.17 | wmat | oh, andy is back, he's msg'd me |
| 15:19.19 | jbevren | Andy dropped off but scott joined to help heh |
| 15:19.27 | CosmicPenguin | They've got a live one..... |
| 15:19.44 | jbevren | since theyre a distributor, I didnt imagine they'd know a lot |
| 15:19.48 | wmat | fwiw, the owner/president of Neuros Tech hangs out in the IRC channel #neuros |
| 15:19.59 | jbevren | cool |
| 15:20.05 | wmat | just to compare the way 2 companies communicate |
| 15:20.10 | wmat | and all the devs as well |
| 15:20.40 | jbevren | this device is neat(ish) cause it has a camera and wifi heh |
| 15:20.51 | jbevren | hey, is the neuros CF slot pcmcia-CF standard? |
| 15:29.17 | wmat | jbevren: i hate this sysmaster company already |
| 15:31.08 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:31.19 | jbevren | I didnt much care for mattel either, but the JB's pretty cool |
| 15:31.59 | Crofton | neuros has no wireless? |
| 15:33.51 | wmat | Crofton: no |
| 15:34.00 | wmat | but it's in the works, i believe |
| 15:34.09 | wmat | and the USB port could support a dongle |
| 15:34.10 | jbevren | Crofton: thats why I was asking if the neuros supports CFIO |
| 15:34.11 | Crofton | I need wireless |
| 15:34.22 | jbevren | I have a number of compactflash wifi adapters :) |
| 15:34.38 | wmat | try asking in #neuros |
| 15:34.39 | Crofton | I guess someone should go ask in #neuros and report back :) |
| 15:34.45 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:34.46 | jbevren | fine :) |
| 15:35.32 | prpplague | usb dongle is probably the easiest wifi to get running |
| 15:35.41 | jbevren | nod, I was figuring on that |
| 15:36.30 | wmat | i haven't started poking at my neuros yet, so i'm not very knowledgable |
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| 15:40.41 | jbevren | <crweb:#neuros> the DM320 slot is CFIO... thats all I know. |
| 15:43.01 | jbevren | wmat: btw, theyre $240 on the neuros site |
| 15:46.23 | prpplague | cbrake: i'm in office when you are ready |
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| 16:53.15 | wmat | jbevren: just got an email from sysmaster |
| 16:53.35 | prpplague | wmat: sysmaster? |
| 16:53.45 | wmat | they basically told me what any asshat can find out on the website and requested my full contact details in order to get more details |
| 16:53.59 | wmat | prpplague: they make the Tornado M10 thing |
| 16:54.30 | prpplague | wmat: hmm |
| 16:54.54 | wmat | anyway, i just find this kind of customer service annoying |
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| 17:15.19 | Crofton | Can I use jtag with gdb to debug u-boot? |
| 17:16.20 | cbrake | Crofton: yes, I've used the BDI2000 on ARM and MIPS w/ gdb to debug U-boot. |
| 17:16.35 | Crofton | I ahve the Olimex one |
| 17:16.43 | Crofton | I may have to try this |
| 17:17.30 | Crofton | I am having to learn to be a u-boot hacker |
| 17:17.38 | Crofton | on a board that boots from NAND |
| 17:17.39 | likewise | cbrake, Crofton: Can openocd also co-op with gdb debugging? |
| 17:17.44 | Crofton | apparently |
| 17:17.57 | likewise | I have the BDI2000 as well btw. |
| 17:17.57 | cbrake | likewise: yes, openocd works very similiar to the BDI2000 |
| 17:18.05 | Crofton | how do you build u-boot for debugging? |
| 17:18.14 | likewise | cbrake: I find the firmware for the BDI2000 kind of expensive. |
| 17:18.39 | prpplague | Crofton: should learn apex too |
| 17:18.51 | prpplague | Crofton: apex is so much more lightweight than uboot |
| 17:19.04 | Crofton | I didn't see any apex machines close enough to the davinci |
| 17:19.08 | cbrake | Crofton: uboot is built w/ debugging. u-boot.bin is what you flash into your board, u-boot is the fluffy binary with debugging info that you use w/ GDB |
| 17:20.07 | Crofton | does apex have any examples of booting from NAND only? |
| 17:20.25 | cbrake | likewise: nod, that is what makes openocd so attractive! I tried openocd on my last bringup, but unfortunately the PXA270 support is not complete yet and I did not have time to debug it. |
| 17:20.46 | prpplague | Crofton: yea |
| 17:21.09 | prpplague | Crofton: the sharp processors, and soon i'll have the samsung stuff in there too |
| 17:22.58 | ds2 | is there a cheap platform to try out apex on? |
| 17:25.19 | prpplague | ds2: define "cheap" and then define "try out" |
| 17:25.51 | ds2 | prpplague: something like a consume (sub $50) device that has been hacked to run this |
| 17:26.45 | prpplague | ds2: the slug |
| 17:27.00 | ds2 | excellent |
| 17:27.17 | prpplague | http://wiki.buici.com/wiki/Apex_Bootloader#IXP42x_and_the_Linksys_NSLU2_.28aka_SLUG.29 |
| 17:28.39 | ds2 | cool, always good to have experience with available boot loaders |
| 17:30.11 | prpplague | i also have running on the pixter-mm but never posted the code |
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| 17:30.54 | prpplague | ds2: from what i understand of the hasbro/tiger TVNow , it should run on it without too many mods |
| 17:31.18 | ds2 | prpplague: I will make a chip inventory next week after the break |
| 17:31.56 | ds2 | how small is apex? |
| 17:33.50 | prpplague | ds2: i have versions compiled as small as 6k |
| 17:34.09 | ds2 | nice... seems about small enough for a webpal |
| 17:34.46 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i had blob working on the webpal ages ago |
| 17:34.54 | prpplague | ds2: plenty of room for apex |
| 17:34.58 | CosmicPenguin | mmm... blob |
| 17:35.04 | CosmicPenguin | now there was a bootloader you could love |
| 17:35.15 | ds2 | Hmmmm going to have to bug you about it sometime |
| 17:35.23 | ds2 | the current bootloaderless webpal is a bit painful |
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| 17:35.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, for all practical purposes, i consider apex its successor |
| 17:35.58 | ds2 | prpplague: do you know if it understand 32bit flash that is only filled to 16bits? |
| 17:36.23 | prpplague | ds2: no such luck, right after i got it working, i went through a nasty divorce, and my ex-wife sold my pc with the code on it |
| 17:36.33 | ds2 | oh :/ |
| 17:36.53 | prpplague | ds2: but i've done alot of bootloader work since then, no big deal now |
| 17:37.14 | ds2 | a bootloader would make the webpal a better dev platform |
| 17:37.30 | prpplague | ds2: only that the cpu is EOL |
| 17:54.22 | ds2 | prplague: it is a nice arm userland compile platform esp. useful for stuff that do not like cross compiling |
| 18:23.36 | prpplague | ds2: hehe, i made a fortune on webpals |
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| 18:54.51 | ds2 | prplague: are your the 4M flash ones? I got 4 of the 2M ones and a bunch of chips from digikey to turn them into 4M units..just need to find a easy way of getting them reflashed right |
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| 19:00.04 | MonMotha | gah, evidently 4pcb doesn't really allow you to panelize their $33/ea deal |
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| 19:09.24 | ds2 | what are they doing to prevent it? |
| 19:11.14 | MonMotha | charging you an extra $50 to do it :) |
| 19:36.24 | MonMotha | it's weird because I've panelized all but one of the $33/ea boards I've made with them in the past 2 years, and this is the first time they've wanted the $50 extra charge |
| 19:36.38 | MonMotha | I knew they charged extra for step and repeat, but this was new to me |
| 19:37.27 | MonMotha | if you're buying moer than the minimum of 3 panels, it's not too bad. On 3 panels, $50 is 50% more, which isn't horrible. |
| 19:37.41 | MonMotha | but on the student deal (no minimum, so I'd order just one), it's a deal breaker since it doubles the price |
| 19:37.56 | MonMotha | makes sparkfun's service cheaper if you can tolerate the longer turn time |
| 19:50.23 | ds2 | hmmm |
| 19:50.36 | ds2 | but why not just pre-panalize it in software before sending them the files? |
| 19:50.47 | ds2 | or do they look at it and flag it as a no-no? |
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| 19:59.38 | cbrake | has anyone looked at the AVR32 processors? -- they seem interesting for running Linux |
| 20:04.44 | MonMotha | ds2: exactly what they do |
| 20:05.00 | MonMotha | that's what I've been doing is just replicating the data out and making a huge gerber for the entire panel |
| 20:05.12 | MonMotha | this last time I submitted an order like that, they flagged it and said nono |
| 20:05.31 | MonMotha | if I'm going to pay the flat multi-part fee, I'll make good use of it |
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| 20:55.01 | Crofton | crap |
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