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| 03:17.34 | MonMotha | oh boy |
| 03:17.38 | MonMotha | time to reinstall mythtv |
| 03:28.42 | wmat | MonMotha: why? |
| 03:31.37 | MonMotha | wmat: I'm still not even running 0.20 |
| 03:31.38 | MonMotha | I had delayed updating because I didn't have much time, and I was on a temp setup anyway |
| 03:31.38 | wmat | ah |
| 03:31.38 | MonMotha | I need to upgrade my mythtv server anyway |
| 03:31.38 | MonMotha | it's running some ancient, and seriously hacked up kernel |
| 03:32.02 | MonMotha | I had what was, at the time, a somewhat exotic collection of hardware |
| 03:32.25 | MonMotha | 3 TV tuners, a sound card, and IEEE1394 |
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| 03:33.33 | MonMotha | all three different (bt878 based, WinTV PVR 150, and a pcHDTV 3000) |
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| 05:12.58 | MonMotha | server's uptime is 357 days... |
| 05:13.01 | MonMotha | hoping to hit a full year |
| 05:24.28 | MonMotha | fuck |
| 05:24.30 | MonMotha | that was NOT the machine I wanted to reboot |
| 05:25.07 | MonMotha | wrong button on the KVM... |
| 05:25.33 | MonMotha | server's uptime is now approximately 357 seconds :( |
| 05:39.27 | FireEgl | hehe |
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| 10:56.34 | jbevren | hehe |
| 10:56.39 | jbevren | its like 1 beign close to q |
| 10:56.44 | jbevren | init q vs init 1 :( |
| 10:56.46 | jbevren | done that :) |
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| 13:59.45 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 13:59.45 | Crofton | drum roll |
| 14:00.13 | Crofton | what happened yesterday in court? |
| 14:09.07 | sunrunner20 | sco probally got owned again |
| 14:09.41 | sunrunner20 | they should have dropped the suit years ago |
| 14:10.01 | sunrunner20 | then their third professional analysit failed to find ANY hint of their sourcecode in linux >_> |
| 14:10.04 | prpplague | Crofton: basically from the descriptions i've read, sco got hammered, no decisions were made, but the novell lawyers apparently got the upper hand in all the arguments |
| 14:10.35 | prpplague | Crofton: hearing resumes on monday to hear the rest of the arguments |
| 14:10.46 | sunrunner20 | ~quote novl |
| 14:10.53 | sunrunner20 | :) |
| 14:10.57 | prpplague | Crofton: i half way expect that kimball will issue a decision by the end of next week |
| 14:12.20 | Crofton | I saw a note they spread it over two days |
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| 14:13.37 | prpplague | Crofton: yea, the court finally realized that there was no way to hear all the arguments in one day |
| 14:13.44 | prpplague | Crofton: yesterday was a 1/2 day |
| 14:13.51 | prpplague | Crofton: monday will be a full day |
| 14:13.59 | Crofton | ah, so not today |
| 14:14.03 | Crofton | crap |
| 14:14.06 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 14:14.16 | Crofton | this waiting is killing me |
| 14:14.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:14.32 | sunrunner20 | whats the whole thing over? is this still the linux source code debate? |
| 14:15.34 | prpplague | sunrunner20: no, the sco vs. novell is the unix ownership issue |
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| 14:22.33 | Chocobo | I think I am starting to understand this a little... arm-elf is for systems not running linux, arm-linux is for systems running linux. |
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| 15:13.06 | cbrake | prpplague: talking w/ the local Atheros rep -- the Muratta and Semco modules mentioned on the codeplex site are only for high volume users (>= 1M) |
| 15:13.36 | cbrake | prpplague: she also mentioned http://www.aradasystems.com/ as a possible resource |
| 15:14.08 | cbrake | prpplague: so it looks like we are stuck hoping cardaccess comes through with their module this summer. |
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| 15:44.52 | SpaceMonkey | gm |
| 15:45.22 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 15:46.11 | agaffney | how/when did it get back above 1.00? |
| 15:54.17 | SpaceMonkey | I have a technical question about JFFS2 for all you flash boffins |
| 15:56.16 | SpaceMonkey | Everytime I mount my JFFS2 partition (from NOR). I can ls etc as normally, but on the first real file IO, e.g. cat crap. txt or echo arghh > crap.txt, I am presented with a long delay. It eventually does what its supposed to and subsequent requests are at expected speed. |
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| 15:56.48 | SpaceMonkey | I expect it is doing some sort of book-keeping each time it is mounted. Has anyone else come across a similar problem? |
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| 16:00.35 | SpaceMonkey | I guess I asked the wrong question and everyone quit:! |
| 16:02.38 | sunrunner20|prom | lol |
| 16:02.39 | SpaceMonkey | awww man. I need to go home soon and I wont be able to try anything till Monday? :) |
| 16:07.17 | sunrunner20 | they'll be back |
| 16:08.41 | prpplague | cbrake: thanks for the update |
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| 16:21.31 | prpplague | wmat_: hey, is there a way to see how many hits a elinux page has had? |
| 16:23.14 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: httpd logs? |
| 16:24.55 | CosmicPenguin | doesn't wikimedia track that for you? |
| 16:28.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: moin did |
| 16:28.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't know about wikimedia |
| 16:29.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you could get a daily/week/monthly hits per page |
| 16:36.02 | sunrunner20 | i don't know what the academic community has against the wikipedia >_< |
| 16:55.41 | wmat | prpplague: not sure, i can check into it |
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| 17:51.15 | Chocobo | What is a good ARM to get started with? I am looking at the LPC line right now. |
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| 18:17.05 | Chocobo | man, I wish this channel was more talkative. |
| 18:18.38 | CosmicPenguin | We don't have much to say |
| 18:20.40 | Chocobo | I like your nick. |
| 18:33.39 | Crofton | now you frightened him off |
| 18:33.45 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 18:34.16 | sunrunner20 | wtf |
| 18:34.37 | sunrunner20 | they are putting me on hold while they generate the microsft comfirmation id |
| 18:34.50 | sunrunner20 | is the computer down and some monkey in the back calculating it >_> |
| 18:35.04 | Crofton | sunrunner20, why do you hang out in this channel? |
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| 18:38.41 | sunrunner20 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.55 | Crofton | do you do any embedded work? |
| 18:39.18 | sunrunner20 | when i get the chance i do :) |
| 18:41.10 | ds2 | embedded work? is that where you cover stuff with like... concrete? =) |
| 18:45.01 | sunrunner20 | hahahah |
| 18:47.41 | ds2 | that's why you need them arms to help move stuff |
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| 19:11.23 | SpaceMonkey_ | gm |
| 19:30.19 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 19:32.38 | SpaceMonkey_ | what does <3 mean? |
| 19:32.43 | Chocobo | heart |
| 19:33.00 | SpaceMonkey_ | that was damn quick |
| 19:33.12 | Chocobo | my response? |
| 19:33.21 | SpaceMonkey_ | yeah |
| 19:33.24 | Chocobo | awesome, thanks. I like to type |
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| 19:33.35 | SpaceMonkey_ | you were just waiting for that question |
| 19:34.08 | SpaceMonkey_ | and hit Enter when necessary |
| 19:34.09 | Chocobo | :( |
| 19:34.09 | SpaceMonkey_ | wanna hear an awesome story |
| 19:34.09 | Chocobo | Sure. |
| 19:34.28 | SpaceMonkey_ | ok, its not that great, but it mine |
| 19:34.53 | Chocobo | alright |
| 19:35.15 | SpaceMonkey_ | A couple of weeks ago I was freaking out because my router showed a computer on the network I didnt recognise. |
| 19:35.31 | SpaceMonkey_ | It was called DELL and has been assigned an IP address etc.. |
| 19:35.43 | Chocobo | hrmm. |
| 19:35.51 | SpaceMonkey_ | I just run WAP, because I live in the sticks and dont run any file sharing etc anyway. |
| 19:36.21 | SpaceMonkey_ | so I freaked out and installed WPA, Mac address filtering (had to do all my pcs and gadgets) |
| 19:36.49 | SpaceMonkey_ | and changed the network addresses and subnet to non-standard ones to foil anyone who managed to get through. |
| 19:37.03 | Chocobo | I like this story already. |
| 19:37.04 | SpaceMonkey_ | I figured that would do the trick right? |
| 19:37.15 | Chocobo | Makes sense. |
| 19:37.21 | SpaceMonkey_ | Dell came back |
| 19:37.38 | SpaceMonkey_ | Turned out to me my laser printer. Doh! |
| 19:37.58 | Chocobo | haha, that is awesome. |
| 19:38.24 | SpaceMonkey_ | Now everytime I want to telnet to something in the house I have to remember liek 192.168.28.X |
| 19:38.31 | SpaceMonkey_ | and always forget. |
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| 19:38.57 | Chocobo | woa, I haven't used telnet in ages. |
| 19:39.01 | SpaceMonkey_ | lol |
| 19:44.03 | SpaceMonkey_ | I have used crosstools to build 3 variants of the same toolchain and my hello world program still will not run. ****AIEEEEEE**** |
| 19:44.04 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: sounds like you have a core concept problem |
| 19:44.04 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: running under linux? |
| 19:44.04 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: the helloworld i mean |
| 19:44.05 | SpaceMonkey_ | yeah |
| 19:44.05 | SpaceMonkey_ | Was hoping an arm is an arm |
| 19:44.05 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: why not paste your helloworld code on pastebin.ca |
| 19:44.05 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: what processor? |
| 19:44.06 | SpaceMonkey_ | The DM320 |
| 19:44.06 | SpaceMonkey_ | Arm 5 I think or is it a 9 |
| 19:44.06 | Crofton | SpaceMonkey_, I suspect lib issues? |
| 19:44.06 | Crofton | this is the DV EVM ARM? |
| 19:44.06 | Crofton | ARM926ejs |
| 19:44.06 | SpaceMonkey_ | Crofton: did a gcc -static |
| 19:44.06 | Crofton | hmmm |
| 19:44.07 | SpaceMonkey_ | no this is the neuros ARm, but its the same |
| 19:44.07 | Crofton | not sure then |
| 19:44.07 | Crofton | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:44.07 | Crofton | arm numbering is hideoous |
| 19:44.08 | SpaceMonkey_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/529078 |
| 19:44.16 | SpaceMonkey_ | /mnt/tmpfs/media/SD-card # ./hello |
| 19:44.16 | SpaceMonkey_ | ./hello: ./hello: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 19:45.59 | SpaceMonkey_ | this is the program :- http://www.pastebin.ca/529083 |
| 19:46.00 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: thats interesting |
| 19:46.00 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: sounds like its trying to run it as a shell script or something |
| 19:46.04 | SpaceMonkey_ | I also built a helloworld using the mv toolchain at work as an experiment and that gives the same result!! |
| 19:46.04 | CosmicPenguin | Sounds like the ld.so is borked |
| 19:46.44 | SpaceMonkey_ | I would get the OSD booting from CF, my my new pc dosent have a serial port! |
| 19:47.04 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: did you do a "file" command on it ? |
| 19:47.07 | CosmicPenguin | stupid legacy free |
| 19:47.10 | CosmicPenguin | what a dumb idea |
| 19:47.16 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: i.e. "file hello" |
| 19:47.35 | SpaceMonkey_ | file not found |
| 19:48.04 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: what distro are you running? |
| 19:48.06 | SpaceMonkey_ | I could use the UBOOT command line tools to change the env settings, but if I screw them up this isnt booting till monday. |
| 19:48.21 | SpaceMonkey_ | do you want me to run file on my host or target? |
| 19:48.25 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: you issue the file command on your desktop |
| 19:48.34 | SpaceMonkey_ | hello: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, ARM, version 1, for GNU/Linux 2.4.3, statically linked, not stripped |
| 19:49.33 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: statically linked? |
| 19:49.42 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: what command did you use to compile it? |
| 19:49.57 | SpaceMonkey_ | gcc -static hello.c -o hello |
| 19:50.06 | prpplague | ???? |
| 19:50.33 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: should be something like: arm-linux-gcc hello.c -o hello |
| 19:50.40 | SpaceMonkey_ | oh yeah |
| 19:50.46 | SpaceMonkey_ | i didnt type in the arm bit |
| 19:52.16 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: why are you doing it static? |
| 19:52.16 | SpaceMonkey_ | armv5b-softfloat-linux-gcc |
| 19:52.16 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:52.16 | SpaceMonkey_ | I thought it might be something to do with differences with the libs |
| 19:52.16 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: did you build the rootfs for the arm device? |
| 19:52.16 | SpaceMonkey_ | as f*ck knows whats on the device |
| 19:52.17 | SpaceMonkey_ | no, Im afriad not. I dont really want to brick it till monday if I screw up UBOOT (no serial port) |
| 19:52.17 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: then more than likely the rootfs is using hard float |
| 19:52.17 | SpaceMonkey_ | I figured that the binaries must be at least a bit compatible |
| 19:52.19 | SpaceMonkey_ | ok ill compile it hard float, I think I have a toolchain here |
| 19:53.33 | SpaceMonkey_ | feck its in a vmware image. I wish I could coerce the /opt directory out of the damn vmware image. supposedly you can mount them but I havent managed! |
| 19:56.03 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: can you paste a directory listing (ls -al) of your /lib dir? |
| 19:56.10 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: to pastebin.ca |
| 19:56.20 | SpaceMonkey_ | target? |
| 19:56.29 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: yea |
| 19:57.34 | SpaceMonkey_ | 1 sec..... |
| 19:58.45 | SpaceMonkey_ | http://pastebin.ca/529114 |
| 19:59.07 | SpaceMonkey_ | sorry was a bit slow, had a vmware image sucking up my resources |
| 19:59.29 | SpaceMonkey_ | oooooo |
| 19:59.41 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: np, now on the host, do this: strings hello | grep -e lib |
| 20:00.10 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: after you compile it dynamically |
| 20:00.23 | prpplague | and paste the results |
| 20:00.56 | SpaceMonkey_ | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 20:00.56 | SpaceMonkey_ | libc.so.6 |
| 20:00.57 | SpaceMonkey_ | __libc_start_main |
| 20:02.17 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: you try running that one? |
| 20:02.32 | SpaceMonkey_ | will do, pc is not seeing my SD card now :( |
| 20:03.10 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: sd? you xfering over via sd? |
| 20:03.18 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: why not serial or usb? |
| 20:03.47 | SpaceMonkey_ | no serial port on new PC (totally terrible for uboot stuff) |
| 20:03.52 | SpaceMonkey_ | and Usb? how ;) |
| 20:04.22 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: why not get a usb to rs-232? |
| 20:05.04 | SpaceMonkey_ | yeah I actually have one, in the back of the garage. thanks for reminding me! |
| 20:06.09 | SpaceMonkey_ | sorry for the delay, im trying to force a remount of the SD card |
| 20:06.17 | SpaceMonkey_ | (this is on the OSD now) |
| 20:06.53 | SpaceMonkey_ | Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 20:06.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you every used any of those usb->audio devices under linux? |
| 20:07.15 | SpaceMonkey_ | ok, i will grab an application from the OSD and run a file command on it from the host |
| 20:07.18 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey_: the only thing i can think of is that it is hardfloat not soft |
| 20:08.19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no |
| 20:08.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but I hear they work |
| 20:08.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.evertek.com/viewpart.asp?auto=32655&cpc=NEWARR |
| 20:08.45 | SpaceMonkey_ | hear - literally? |
| 20:09.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we are still trying to decide on a codec for our next handheld |
| 20:10.31 | CosmicPenguin | all codecs make me cry in their own special way |
| 20:10.47 | CosmicPenguin | You're looking for 5.1 on a handheld? |
| 20:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | oh - 5.1 effects |
| 20:13.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no |
| 20:13.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: very very basic stuff |
| 20:13.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: possibly some voip later |
| 20:13.37 | CosmicPenguin | the AD1888 that we use on the OLPC doesn't seem to be that braindead |
| 20:13.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks i'll have a look |
| 20:14.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea that looks like overkill |
| 20:15.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not a bad price though |
| 20:17.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you think on the next gen XO it will use the usb wifi again? |
| 20:17.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or you think they'll go sdio as part of the CaFE |
| 20:18.20 | CosmicPenguin | If I was them, I would go sdio |
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| 20:18.33 | CosmicPenguin | because sdio would be easier to manage in power situations - not nearly as much BS |
| 20:18.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but you have all the legal stuff to worry about for sdio |
| 20:18.57 | CosmicPenguin | well - not for long |
| 20:19.01 | CosmicPenguin | that stuff has a tendency to get resolved |
| 20:19.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh? |
| 20:19.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you know something i don't? |
| 20:19.28 | CosmicPenguin | no - just history |
| 20:19.45 | CosmicPenguin | two years ago we were sitting around bitching about SD 1.2 and SDHCI |
| 20:20.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and whats changed? |
| 20:20.23 | CosmicPenguin | we have both SD 1.2 and SDHCI working and in the kernel |
| 20:20.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that may be true, however, you still can't sell a product using that code |
| 20:21.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: without being a member of sda |
| 20:21.24 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a logo restriction, isn't it? |
| 20:21.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: logo and patents |
| 20:22.20 | CosmicPenguin | meh - I'm sorry, I'm just not sympathetic |
| 20:22.28 | CosmicPenguin | thats part of the business of hardware |
| 20:22.53 | CosmicPenguin | my only complaint as a company that was a member of the SDA that I couldn't give my drivers away to my customers |
| 20:22.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, if olpc decides to use sdio, it will part of their issues |
| 20:23.00 | CosmicPenguin | that complaint has for the most part gone away |
| 20:23.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I believe that the chipmaker is responsible in that case |
| 20:23.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: incorrect |
| 20:23.52 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm - thats how it worked with our Alchemy customers |
| 20:24.06 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe they've changed their tune |
| 20:24.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: according to the stuff we looked at, if you implment a sdio interface with or without a socket, you have to be a member or else be subject to legitgation |
| 20:25.31 | CosmicPenguin | Thats possible |
| 20:25.39 | CosmicPenguin | This is how these things work |
| 20:25.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats not to say people do it and are not members, its jsut that they are in violation of the patents |
| 20:26.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed, just that it doesn't make it any easier on the legal side, software and hardware-yes, legal-no |
| 20:42.25 | SpaceMonkey_ | We got one of those Archos player things at work to poke around with. Not sure at who would actually buy such a decive. |
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| 20:57.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think we will probably go with a mono codec |
| 20:57.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,2877,AD73311L,00.html |
| 20:58.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that looks to fill the bill |
| 20:59.36 | CosmicPenguin | that seems familiar |
| 21:00.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think it was used on a blackfin board |
| 21:01.00 | ds2 | that funny binary problem might be an ld.so issue |
| 21:01.05 | prpplague | http://docs.blackfin.uclinux.org/doku.php?id=ad73311 |
| 21:01.19 | ds2 | I've seen that when you build w/different version then the run time ld.so |
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| 21:15.51 | prpplague | ho ho freakin ho |
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| 23:57.13 | joe_bleau | Jeez, someone really made a mess of the DHT-Walnut on the wiki. |