| 00:06.55 | prpplague | joe_bleau: interesting |
| 00:08.31 | joe_bleau | Pricey, too. |
| 00:55.06 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 00:57.08 | wmat | prpplague: you pinged |
| 00:57.20 | prpplague | wmat: yea |
| 00:57.38 | prpplague | wmat: you will only see this when i'm seriously pissed |
| 00:57.53 | prpplague | wmat: that FUCKER d-d-c has screwed the walnut page |
| 00:58.26 | prpplague | wmat: i've spent about 2 hours trying to recreate it |
| 00:58.40 | prpplague | wmat: any way you can block him from editing that page? |
| 00:58.46 | wmat | prpplague: i still have the original |
| 00:58.56 | wmat | prpplague: and yes, i can block him |
| 00:59.09 | prpplague | wmat: can you restore the original and the all of the associated pages as well as the files? |
| 01:00.30 | wmat | prpplague: yeah, i can, you'll have to give me some time though, i'm having machine issues |
| 01:00.57 | chouimat | ottawa just scored with about 0.3s to do in the first period :) |
| 01:03.47 | prpplague | now normally i've be happy for anyone scoring, but when she's on her period, thats just plain gross |
| 01:04.03 | chouimat | prpplague: LOL |
| 01:05.24 | prpplague | chouimat: oh yea, baby 750ml bottle of seigneurial |
| 01:05.33 | chouimat | hehe |
| 01:05.50 | chouimat | prpplague: only ginger ale here |
| 01:05.51 | prpplague | chouimat: try to decide if i want to pop the cork tonight |
| 01:06.52 | prpplague | wmat: btw, message me if you are interesting in doing some tinkering with the arm9 board |
| 01:08.45 | prpplague | chouimat: you had seigneurial? |
| 01:08.58 | chouimat | yes |
| 01:14.42 | GPSFan | prpplague: I've found a few of the missing files, but if wmat can restore form the old wiki that would be better. there is a LOT of stuff missing. ;>((((( |
| 01:15.21 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:15.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: |
| 01:15.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: join with me |
| 01:15.58 | prpplague | ALL HAIL WMAT, PLEASE RESTORE DHT-WALNUT PAGES |
| 01:16.25 | joe_bleau | I'll second that motion. |
| 01:16.34 | GPSFan | I'll third it.. |
| 01:16.48 | GPSFan | bbl.. |
| 01:16.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: later |
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| 01:56.10 | jbevren | prpplague: beer good |
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| 02:44.28 | wmat | prpplague: the walnut page looks like you've almost got it back to it's initial revisions content |
| 02:44.52 | wmat | prpplague: did you still want me to restore back to the original version? |
| 02:45.25 | wmat | prpplague: i may be very interested in ARM9 shortly, i'll let you know |
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| 03:02.46 | prpplague | wmat: if you can just recover the attachments that would be great |
| 03:10.07 | wmat | prpplague: ok |
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| 03:38.57 | wmat | prpplague: i'll fix more in the morning |
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| 11:25.35 | liso | tnx |
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| 13:22.23 | wmat | prpplague: sorry man, i'll try to get more of the walnut page fixed up this morning, but unfortunately, my boss is expecting me to actually do the work they're paying me to do this morning ;) |
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| 13:24.40 | prpplague | wmat: that pecker flameman/d-d-c changed the dht page back last night |
| 13:24.47 | prpplague | wmat: i've already put it back again |
| 13:24.57 | prpplague | wmat: do need to block him from editing it |
| 13:35.46 | wmat | prpplague: you're kidding, what's he changing? does he think he's fixing it somehow or what? |
| 13:37.32 | prpplague | wmat: he reverted the entire page back |
| 13:37.41 | prpplague | wmat: i've already reverted it back again |
| 13:37.53 | prpplague | wmat: but none the less, he needs to be blocked from editing the page |
| 13:38.12 | prpplague | wmat: i don't mind contributions, but he need to re-write it on his own page |
| 13:38.18 | wmat | he seems to have started a DHT-Walnut-Flameman page |
| 13:38.22 | prpplague | wmat: you don't just delete everyones work |
| 13:38.30 | prpplague | wmat: i moved his page there |
| 13:38.31 | wmat | definitely not |
| 13:38.38 | wmat | i'm blocking him now |
| 13:38.51 | prpplague | wmat: just for that page? |
| 13:39.14 | wmat | unfortunately, i can't do that |
| 13:39.21 | wmat | it's the whole site, or nothing |
| 13:39.42 | prpplague | wmat: hmm |
| 13:39.48 | wmat | i can however, change that page to Sysops only, which would only block the walnut page |
| 13:40.03 | wmat | then i can Sysop you |
| 13:40.10 | prpplague | wmat: why don't you do that for now |
| 13:40.28 | prpplague | wmat: i probably need that access anyway to do maintenance when you aren't available |
| 13:40.39 | wmat | ok, the page is blocked now |
| 13:40.56 | wmat | try to edit it before i sysop you |
| 13:41.03 | prpplague | ok one sec |
| 13:41.38 | Crofton_ | I am going to mention the wiki on the davinci list |
| 13:41.42 | prpplague | wmat: yea, no edit option |
| 13:42.00 | Crofton_ | I see the about page covers the sponsorship by the celinux forum |
| 13:42.02 | prpplague | Crofton_: cool deal, edits are welcome, just don't do a flameman |
| 13:42.08 | Crofton_ | right |
| 13:42.15 | Crofton_ | I wish I had time to work on it |
| 13:42.25 | Crofton_ | I'd like to get the OSK stuff over |
| 13:42.44 | prpplague | Crofton_: yea, CELF is basically sponsoring the wiki which the old elinux wiki served as a core |
| 13:43.09 | prpplague | Crofton_: but all the content is open, and doesn't belong directly to CELF |
| 13:43.18 | Crofton_ | helpfully CELF helps people take it seriously :) |
| 13:43.31 | prpplague | yea |
| 13:43.55 | Crofton_ | as in, my company is paying for this to exist, it must be ok to use and contribute |
| 13:44.14 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 13:45.44 | wmat | Crofton_: I may have a lot more time to work on the wiki soon and my primary goal will be to get it in a better state and promote the hell out of it |
| 13:45.56 | Crofton_ | cool |
| 13:46.03 | wmat | I have a few interviews I've been sitting on actually, as I haven't had time to get them up there |
| 13:46.04 | Crofton_ | the guys in #davinci are excited |
| 13:46.27 | wmat | oh, there's a #davinci? |
| 13:46.35 | Crofton_ | there is now |
| 13:46.40 | Crofton_ | Don;t you read the wiki? |
| 13:46.41 | wmat | on freenode? |
| 13:46.44 | Crofton_ | yes |
| 13:49.38 | wmat | prpplague: sorry, were you able to edit the walnut page? |
| 13:50.36 | prpplague | wmat: no, i'm blocked |
| 13:50.42 | prpplague | wmat: so that should work |
| 13:50.57 | wmat | cool |
| 13:51.09 | wmat | now let me see if i can sysop you |
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| 13:54.51 | prpplague | wmat: brb gotta move my car |
| 13:56.45 | wmat | prpplague: i can't grant sysop rights :/ |
| 13:57.06 | wmat | but i've requested it |
| 13:57.29 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 13:57.35 | prpplague | wmat: okie dokie |
| 13:59.01 | Crofton | now news coverage of the scox hearings |
| 14:03.54 | prpplague | Crofton: yea, odd, no report on groklaw either |
| 14:05.02 | prpplague | lordy lordy i have a ton of work to do today |
| 14:06.19 | prpplague | what do you guys think, a really cool arm9 board for $159 |
| 14:06.28 | prpplague | that sound reasonable? |
| 14:06.45 | GPSFan | prpplague: is the dht wiki page reverted to what is was on tim's wiki? all the how-to's are missing, but some of the files that were gone yesterday are back. |
| 14:06.55 | Crofton | define really cool? |
| 14:07.29 | prpplague | GPSFan: its getting close, i have to get the linked howtos back |
| 14:07.35 | prpplague | GPSFan: probably do that tonight |
| 14:07.52 | prpplague | Crofton: arm9 200mhz in a 40-pin dip package |
| 14:08.14 | GPSFan | prpplague: that's good. I was worried that he had gotten to tim's wiki before it was archived. |
| 14:11.22 | prpplague | GPSFan: wmat had an archived copy |
| 14:11.46 | prpplague | good lord i have a ton of work to do today |
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| 14:24.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey hey |
| 14:24.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mr.xo |
| 14:26.41 | prpplague | ~seen davidc |
| 14:27.14 | purl | davidc <david@ops.eshirt.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 1183d 18h 39m 47s ago, saying: 'anyone know a company that can give me a cheapish UK number?'. |
| 14:28.44 | wmat | GPSFan: I've been adding back some of the missing stuff |
| 14:29.06 | wmat | also, the old moin wiki is still out there for reference |
| 14:29.31 | wmat | http://moin.elinux.org/wiki/ |
| 14:29.52 | wmat | but don't make any changes to that one, as it's only there for reference |
| 14:29.56 | prpplague | wmat: yea, i recovered most of that yesterday |
| 14:30.00 | GPSFan | wmat: look at the dht page there. it's "removed" |
| 14:30.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: its back now, or atleast it was last night |
| 14:30.37 | GPSFan | http://moin.elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut |
| 14:31.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, the main content is there, the files were missing |
| 14:31.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: all of the howtos are there, just gotta get them moved over to the new wiki |
| 14:31.55 | wmat | are those new? |
| 14:32.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: I must not be looking at the same http://moin.elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut as you, all I see ia a page that says removed (by out frient on 5/31) |
| 14:32.18 | wmat | i.e. were they added to the moinmoin wiki after I grabbed it for conversion? |
| 14:32.43 | chouimat | morningf |
| 14:32.48 | wmat | GPSFan: http://new.elinux.org/DHT-Walnut |
| 14:33.13 | wmat | or http://elinux.org/DHT-Walnut |
| 14:34.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: try a refresh |
| 14:34.17 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:34.18 | GPSFan | doh |
| 14:34.30 | GPSFan | thany yoy... |
| 14:34.38 | GPSFan | thank you that is... |
| 14:34.39 | prpplague | wmat: i dont think they were added after the conversion |
| 14:34.53 | prpplague | wmat: but i checked and didn't see any of the howto wikipages |
| 14:35.03 | prpplague | wmat: of course i'm new to this wiki |
| 14:35.08 | prpplague | wmat: so i might have missed |
| 14:36.11 | GPSFan | yeah but that @#@!# removed my how to on the music server. http://moin.elinux.org/wiki/DHT-WalnutUsefullProjects |
| 14:36.38 | prpplague | let me look |
| 14:37.03 | GPSFan | as well as http://moin.elinux.org/wiki/DHT-WalnutAddJ10 |
| 14:37.19 | prpplague | ok reverting those as well |
| 14:37.43 | wmat | i'm confused why this person felt compelled to just remove pages completely |
| 14:38.04 | prpplague | wmat: he's an idiot, he's been banned from just about every channel on freenode |
| 14:38.10 | prpplague | wmat: flyback in training |
| 14:38.45 | GPSFan | prpplague: he tried to get a similar board going and couldn't believe that what we had done worked. |
| 14:39.03 | prpplague | GPSFan: ok music server pages is back |
| 14:39.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: thanks!! |
| 14:40.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: when i get home tonight i'll see if i can get the reset of the howtos moved to the new wiki |
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| 14:40.38 | GPSFan | prpplague: thanks!! again.. |
| 14:40.42 | prpplague | j10 page back too |
| 14:40.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: let me know if you find any more |
| 14:41.10 | GPSFan | sho'nuf.. |
| 14:42.49 | prpplague | anyone every used tikiwiki ? |
| 14:43.38 | wmat | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiflow |
| 14:43.41 | wmat | that could be useful |
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| 14:48.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: re |
| 14:48.30 | CosmicPenguin | Okay, dammit - this is damn near a new computer |
| 14:48.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got an amd chip in it? |
| 14:48.50 | prpplague | hehehe |
| 14:48.52 | CosmicPenguin | funny |
| 14:49.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: store is still out of milkstout |
| 14:49.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: left hand prices are outrageous |
| 14:49.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: $20 for a six pack is high even for me |
| 14:50.47 | CosmicPenguin | heh - well - if you knew how small that operation really was, you would understand |
| 14:50.55 | CosmicPenguin | that you can get it at all is a downright miracle |
| 14:51.06 | prpplague | agreed |
| 14:51.22 | prpplague | still like to get some mossle drool |
| 14:52.21 | CosmicPenguin | http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=k&om=1&ll=40.158369,-105.11516&spn=0.00179,0.003369&z=19 |
| 14:52.30 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the Lefthand brewery - the whole thing |
| 14:53.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:54.00 | CosmicPenguin | Compare that with even a small operation like New Belgium: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=40.590533,-105.060936&spn=0.007113,0.013475&z=17 |
| 14:54.12 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - I should do a custom Google map - the breweries of Northern Colorado |
| 14:58.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: didn't know you could do custom google maps |
| 14:58.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they still haven't updated their maps with my housing subdivision |
| 14:58.43 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah - see the "mymaps" tab? |
| 14:58.52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - yeah, my house is still a field |
| 14:59.01 | CosmicPenguin | But all these colorado maps are pretty old still |
| 14:59.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh cool |
| 14:59.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is that new? |
| 14:59.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wait, you can't make the map public? |
| 15:00.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nm, found it |
| 15:00.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: interesting, i wish i'd had that a year ago |
| 15:02.20 | Crofton | crap |
| 15:02.23 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 15:06.31 | prpplague | wow |
| 15:08.05 | prpplague | wmat: flameman appears to registered a new nick nym |
| 15:16.09 | wmat | lovely |
| 15:17.47 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Talk:DHT-Walnut |
| 15:19.56 | CosmicPenguin | heh - you guys need to adopt some of the WIkipedia policies |
| 15:20.03 | CosmicPenguin | especially the - no ownership clause |
| 15:20.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which says what? |
| 15:20.28 | CosmicPenguin | bascially, nobody "owns" a page |
| 15:20.36 | CosmicPenguin | anybody who asserts ownership like that is subject to blocking |
| 15:21.14 | CosmicPenguin | I know thats a basic pillar of wiki, but there are plenty of stupid people who just can't understand that |
| 15:21.45 | CosmicPenguin | Do you have the "if you don't want your work mercilessly edited and changed, then don't click submit" message on the edit page? |
| 15:21.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no |
| 15:22.02 | SpaceMonkey | wookiepedia - your complete guide to all thinkgs wookie |
| 15:22.44 | CosmicPenguin | Please note that all contributions to OLPCWiki are considered to be released under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 (see Project:Copyrights for details). If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here. |
| 15:22.44 | CosmicPenguin | You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. |
| 15:22.48 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what OLPC says |
| 15:22.56 | prpplague | speaking of wookie, i saw a commercial last night for robot chick , they are doing star wars on th 17th |
| 15:23.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess we need to add some stuff like that |
| 15:23.36 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: do you mean robotchicken? that show is so cool. |
| 15:23.51 | prpplague | http://starwars.com/community/news/media/chickentrailer.html |
| 15:24.00 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: yea |
| 15:24.01 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: another [adult swim] viewer ! |
| 15:26.34 | chouimat | Robot Chicken RULES! |
| 15:27.37 | SpaceMonkey | I am a really big fan of Robot Chicken, Sealab and Aqua Teen Hunger Force. I dont get to watch the new ones that much because I am often not up that late (or drunk enough)! |
| 15:28.37 | chouimat | SpaceMonkey: saw the one where they mix sex in the city with the golden girls ... I know it's an old one but it so funny :) |
| 15:28.51 | SpaceMonkey | sounds awesome |
| 15:36.42 | Crofton | I hate these emaisl |
| 15:36.44 | Crofton | http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/linux-omap-open-source/2007-June/010270.html |
| 15:39.03 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 15:40.03 | SpaceMonkey | I use a pen to write onto those |
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| 16:50.02 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: what is this page related to? http://elinux.org/USBHost_1.0 |
| 16:50.46 | prpplague | nm |
| 16:51.57 | SpaceMonkey | sorry, Davinci stuff |
| 16:52.10 | SpaceMonkey | shoudl we prepend davinci to stuff |
| 16:52.33 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: yea |
| 16:52.40 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: already moved it |
| 16:52.56 | SpaceMonkey | sry, we didnt really know what we were doing |
| 16:53.03 | SpaceMonkey | will do it properly next time |
| 16:53.11 | prpplague | np, its a learning game |
| 16:53.29 | SpaceMonkey | ok gotto go, catch you guys l8ter |
| 16:59.02 | Crofton | jesus, topped out over 1.75, now coming down |
| 17:01.55 | prpplague | Crofton: wow |
| 17:02.06 | prpplague | Crofton: wounder if there is some news out |
| 17:02.14 | prpplague | Crofton: or just speculation |
| 17:03.21 | prpplague | Crofton: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070530/law085.html?.v=101 |
| 17:04.46 | prpplague | Crofton: i assume they will close above $1 today, so that makes 6 consecutive days above $1 |
| 17:05.11 | prpplague | Crofton: i can't imaging the q2 news is any good |
| 17:07.07 | Crofton | I'm thinking of buying some when it goes down to arond a buck |
| 17:07.18 | Crofton | and waiting for the next round of pump pand dump |
| 17:07.47 | Crofton | crap headed up again |
| 17:08.15 | prpplague | wow |
| 17:08.27 | Crofton | I am goginto check real time |
| 17:08.42 | prpplague | think someone is trying to bail out before the q2 meeting today? |
| 17:08.51 | Crofton | 1.61 |
| 17:08.54 | Crofton | real time |
| 17:10.43 | prpplague | interesting |
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| 17:32.46 | prpplague | steliosk: hey, you are welcome to do an OE package for our arm9 board, but buildroot will be the only officially supported build environment, we don't have the time or resources to maintain multiple build systems |
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| 17:41.20 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 17:43.06 | wmat | yo |
| 17:43.52 | prpplague | wmat: can you turn off the sysop required edit on the dht-walnut page, i've got about 30 minutes i can use to fix some of the links |
| 17:44.03 | wmat | sure, hang on |
| 17:44.15 | prpplague | wmat: thanks |
| 17:44.23 | wmat | done |
| 17:44.33 | prpplague | wmat: who are you having ask permission on the sysop ? |
| 17:44.55 | wmat | prpplague: Lars, from Movial |
| 17:45.16 | wmat | prpplague: he's given me SSH acces, but no passwords or anything to do the SQL changes myself |
| 17:45.23 | prpplague | wmat: ahh ok |
| 17:46.19 | wmat | heh, I've been considering a move back up north but my wife is terrified of the black bears |
| 17:46.27 | Spacemonkey | Did anyone ever play the game "Carrier Command"? They are remaking it! WAHOOO!!!!! |
| 17:46.40 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 17:46.45 | wmat | so she just emailed me a video of a Black Bear eating a deer while a moose looks on |
| 17:46.54 | ds2 | carrier command? a game with AT commands and haynes modems? |
| 17:46.56 | wmat | captures near to where i intended to move |
| 17:48.07 | Spacemonkey | ds2: now that really would rock! |
| 17:49.26 | Spacemonkey | ATDTds2 |
| 17:49.34 | ds2 | NO CARRIER |
| 17:50.00 | Spacemonkey | A/ |
| 17:50.17 | ds2 | NO DIALTONE |
| 17:50.50 | Spacemonkey | Darn, I lost again |
| 17:52.09 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 17:52.17 | prpplague | wmat: ok, all fixed |
| 17:52.22 | prpplague | wmat: we are just lacking 3 files |
| 17:52.42 | prpplague | wmat: the uimage, the config file, and hardbreak.tgz |
| 17:52.52 | ds2 | are there any more retail toy stores left besides toysrus? |
| 17:52.54 | Spacemonkey | ds2: http://www.lazylaces.com/56Kmodem/ |
| 17:53.06 | prpplague | ds2: k&b is still around i think |
| 17:53.27 | ds2 | prpplague: guess in your area.... they had the closing clearance sale around here last year |
| 17:53.41 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:54.45 | ds2 | btw, anyone tried recycling the touch screen films from those $6 games? |
| 17:55.29 | Spacemonkey | no but I always wondered if you could turn a tamagotchi into something usefule |
| 17:55.54 | wmat | prpplague: are those file on the original page from the moin site? |
| 17:56.01 | ds2 | was just thinking of the film itself.. it is the right size for a regular LCD |
| 17:56.02 | prpplague | wmat: yea |
| 17:56.14 | wmat | you grabbing them, or shall i? |
| 17:56.32 | prpplague | wmat: well, they _were_ on the original page, flameman deleted them |
| 17:56.42 | prpplague | wmat: so you'd need to get them from your backup |
| 17:57.08 | wmat | no, i mean on the old site |
| 17:57.27 | prpplague | wmat: sorry, no they are no longer on the old site, flameman deleted them |
| 17:57.48 | wmat | really, wtf, how did he even know it was there |
| 17:58.02 | prpplague | wmat: your guess is as good as mine |
| 17:59.51 | prpplague | wmat: you can re-protect the page when you are ready |
| 18:00.18 | wmat | prpplague: ok |
| 18:00.36 | wmat | done |
| 18:00.36 | prpplague | wmat: thanks |
| 18:01.04 | wmat | man, i hate how <code> or <pre> tags display text |
| 18:01.13 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:01.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: if you have the uImage, kernel config or the hardbreak.tgz files, it would be helpful |
| 18:02.12 | wmat | i'm looking now |
| 18:03.22 | wmat | uploading now |
| 18:03.41 | prpplague | wmat: ahh cool |
| 18:03.44 | prpplague | wmat: thanks a bunch |
| 18:04.20 | wmat | np |
| 18:05.44 | wmat | which config file? |
| 18:06.53 | wmat | ok, done |
| 18:07.09 | prpplague | hehe sorry was looking at some notes |
| 18:07.22 | wmat | i uploaded Config.txt |
| 18:07.51 | wmat | but i have a config as well |
| 18:07.53 | wmat | that's not text |
| 18:08.03 | prpplague | should be just plain "config" |
| 18:08.27 | wmat | got it, ok, link shoudl be good now |
| 18:09.09 | prpplague | yep, good to go |
| 18:09.12 | prpplague | thanks for the help |
| 18:09.18 | wmat | just cleaning it up a bit |
| 18:09.59 | wmat | there |
| 18:10.14 | prpplague | lovely |
| 18:10.20 | wmat | note that if a line is indented with a space, mediawiki will think it should be highlighted |
| 18:10.29 | prpplague | yea, noticed |
| 18:10.33 | prpplague | still get used to the formatting |
| 18:10.36 | wmat | i should move the content too |
| 18:10.42 | wmat | contents, i mena |
| 18:10.47 | wmat | ugh, fat fingers |
| 18:12.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:12.26 | wmat | there, TOC is at the top now |
| 18:13.24 | GPSFan | prpplague: looks like wmat beat me to it. |
| 18:16.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe yea |
| 18:16.32 | prpplague | GPSFan: he was able to find some backup files |
| 18:17.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: so the walnut page is pretty close being like it was before flameman/d-d-c got to it |
| 18:17.04 | ds2 | wonder if there is a Wiki that also does version control |
| 18:17.22 | prpplague | ds2: yea, these have versions that you can revert |
| 18:17.34 | prpplague | ds2: problem is that we were switching between the two wikis |
| 18:17.40 | ds2 | Ohhhh |
| 18:17.46 | prpplague | ds2: which cased a small gap in the data |
| 18:17.58 | ds2 | and our friend took advantage of that... |
| 18:18.15 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:18.43 | prpplague | i really like his latest post - http://www.elinux.org/Talk:DHT-Walnut |
| 18:19.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:20.09 | chouimat|bored | wow |
| 18:20.20 | prpplague | chouimat|bored: ? |
| 18:20.27 | prpplague | chouimat|bored: his crazy post? |
| 18:20.37 | chouimat|bored | yup |
| 18:20.43 | wmat | chouimat|bored: I have to change that icon actually :/ |
| 18:20.50 | ds2 | wtf is is this - http://www.ciao.co.uk/ARM_5X86_133_MHz__5459418 |
| 18:21.49 | prpplague | ds2: no clue |
| 18:21.54 | prpplague | ds2: that must be bogus |
| 18:22.04 | wmat | looks like a mistake |
| 18:22.31 | ds2 | it looks too well organized to be a usual banner ad sinkhole |
| 18:23.13 | prpplague | ds2: yea, probably an x86 dealer who got an arm cpu and just labeled it best he knew how |
| 18:23.19 | ds2 | and unless Intel's ARM license seriously backfired before they sold it to marvel.... |
| 18:24.41 | chouimat|bored | it's probably a cyrix |
| 18:24.56 | ds2 | AMD would be my guess |
| 18:25.08 | ds2 | Cyrix never made a 133MHz 5x86 AFAIK |
| 18:26.35 | chouimat|bored | and it's easy to mistake a 'D' for an 'R' ;) |
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| 18:59.59 | ds2 | is it just me or is navigating the ARM site a challenge? |
| 19:00.18 | prpplague | not just you |
| 19:01.03 | ds2 | seems like everytime I ask a question to someone AFTER having done searches and looking; I get a response with links containing the info I need at the ARM site :/ |
| 19:01.36 | prpplague | ds2: you just have to remember, you aren't the first person to start up with arm |
| 19:03.30 | Spacemonkey | its a lonely path one must tread to obtain full enlightenment |
| 19:03.47 | ds2 | I came very close to blowing that $70 for a printed copy of ARM ARM only to find it available on their site a few weeks later :/ |
| 19:04.10 | wmat | ARM ARM? |
| 19:04.20 | ds2 | ARM Arch. Ref. Manual |
| 19:04.28 | wmat | ah, heh |
| 19:04.38 | Spacemonkey | whats a processor? |
| 19:06.03 | wmat | are you mocking me |
| 19:06.23 | Spacemonkey | can I run linux on a pic16? |
| 19:06.41 | prpplague | ~lart Spacemonkey |
| 19:06.42 | purl | does a little 'renice 20 -u Spacemonkey' |
| 19:07.11 | Spacemonkey | hey im a -5 |
| 19:07.51 | Spacemonkey | with a serious tone :- what is the simplest micro they do a uClinux for? |
| 19:15.19 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: i would have to say thats probably the m68328 |
| 19:15.28 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: but thats no longer really available |
| 19:15.48 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: todays market work be probably an arm7tdmi device |
| 19:16.01 | ds2 | silly question - is uCLinux and ELKS the same? |
| 19:16.09 | Spacemonkey | prpplague: shame :( I would like something with a simple programmer, im sick of all these pic, atmel etc stuff we have around. |
| 19:16.45 | Spacemonkey | I quite like the fact that the davinci for example can be programmed over serial as it has a basic bootloader in it. |
| 19:16.58 | Spacemonkey | but it certainly aint a hobby chip |
| 19:17.17 | ds2 | so can other chips like the Atmel 9200 |
| 19:17.52 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: arm7tdmi are can be pretty darn simple and cheap |
| 19:19.25 | ds2 | cheap? hehe free if you look in the right places |
| 19:19.28 | Spacemonkey | prpplague: hit me with a typical one |
| 19:20.34 | prpplague | how about 2 - http://www.elinux.org/Pixter http://www.elinux.org/JuiceBox |
| 19:21.10 | ds2 | ADI sells boards for $25 complete w/serial cable |
| 19:22.24 | prpplague | but really, for the money, there is no reason to invest in a arm7tdmi unless you have a very specific usage in mind |
| 19:23.17 | ds2 | no reason to invest? what would you suggest then? |
| 19:23.59 | prpplague | ds2: arm720 or arm92x is really the way to go for best power vs. money |
| 19:24.04 | chouimat|bored | ds2: I have a nice lpc2148 based board here ... the only usage I have of it is USB to serial adapter .. |
| 19:25.02 | ds2 | chouimat: they are more C friendly then an 8051 |
| 19:25.39 | chouimat|bored | ds2: c++ too :) |
| 19:25.42 | ds2 | just wish most of the arm7tdmi had enough internal resources to run uCLinux |
| 19:26.08 | ds2 | chouimat: and their debugging interface is nice (though the SiLabs C2 interface is coming close) |
| 19:26.49 | chouimat|bored | ds2: I ported eCos to the LPC2138/2148 |
| 19:27.49 | ds2 | i really want a Linux watch and a ARM7TDMI + display seems like a good way to do it but... |
| 19:28.03 | ds2 | 720 has way too many pins and/or is BGA |
| 19:29.00 | Spacemonkey | I basically like using pic16F688 and some of the atmel variety because they are general purpose and cheap. This sort of chip is always worth playing with, so a cheap arm maybe the next step |
| 19:29.31 | ds2 | pic are nice and all but most of them lack a UART |
| 19:30.13 | Spacemonkey | ds2: I think we have had this conversation before : |
| 19:30.17 | Spacemonkey | :) |
| 19:30.33 | ds2 | yep. hence the reason I reworded it ;) |
| 19:30.35 | Spacemonkey | all the decent pics have UART apart from the really lame 12 series |
| 19:31.00 | ds2 | 16F84 lacks a UART |
| 19:31.06 | ds2 | one of my favorite parts |
| 19:31.17 | Spacemonkey | prpplague: I like the look of the juicebox, wonder if they are available in europe |
| 19:31.34 | Spacemonkey | ds2: that part is so ancient it was fitted to the ark |
| 19:32.28 | ds2 | then there is the lack of stacks |
| 19:32.58 | Spacemonkey | ds2: yeah, a stack would be nice, but im sure the 18 series has them. Microchip love to give samples |
| 19:36.24 | prpplague | ds2: did you check out those watches on geeks.com? |
| 19:37.46 | ds2 | prpplague: yep. I have the Aigo one but can't find info on new/alternative firmware for them |
| 19:38.44 | prpplague | ds2: you done a chip list yet? |
| 19:39.35 | ds2 | prpplague: no. don't want to open it... I got it as a portable OGG player |
| 19:39.50 | prpplague | ds2: booo |
| 19:40.06 | ds2 | OGG players are rare :P |
| 19:40.22 | prpplague | ds2: buy another |
| 19:40.36 | prpplague | ds2: can't expect everyone else to do the work for ya |
| 19:40.41 | ds2 | I might do that later this year |
| 19:40.57 | Spacemonkey | wuss |
| 19:41.03 | ds2 | but I need to cut my teeth on something like the TV now first :P |
| 19:41.51 | Spacemonkey | I cant wait to bust open stuff. |
| 19:42.18 | ds2 | besides, it is my ONLY sample of an OLED display |
| 19:46.38 | prpplague | ds2: wimp |
| 19:47.01 | ds2 | i like my toys working, thank you. |
| 19:48.00 | Spacemonkey | definate wimp ;) I cracked open the top of the range archos and an osd in the same week |
| 19:48.38 | Spacemonkey | WOW APPLE COMPUTER WATCH :- get one ebay:230136971760 maybe you can put linux on it |
| 19:50.57 | Spacemonkey | I always wanted one of these so I could become king of the geeks :- http://www.pconhand.com/ |
| 19:52.06 | MonMotha | if you want an OGG player, sparkfun sells a chip from VLSI that has a hardware decoder |
| 19:55.15 | chouimat|bored | ROFL http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=af61f69a-96c3-4c1b-8926-4383e58468c6 (worksafe) |
| 19:55.16 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: thats interesting |
| 19:55.25 | Spacemonkey | check out the baby these guys do, http://www.mobilygen.com/ thats a real cool chip |
| 19:55.47 | Spacemonkey | its like $20 one off price |
| 19:57.05 | Spacemonkey | prpplague: They are sort of cool, but you can just tell they will disappoint. Its a shame they didnt update the design. Perhaps someone can bu the watch tooling and manufacture a must cooler watch. |
| 19:58.01 | ds2 | MonMotha: that's not really a hardware player |
| 19:58.38 | MonMotha | ds2: does it matter? |
| 19:58.47 | MonMotha | it's a single chop SoC that plays Vorbis |
| 19:58.58 | ds2 | yes it does |
| 19:59.11 | ds2 | i want something I can send it a fifo of bytes like what the MP3 folks have |
| 19:59.13 | MonMotha | MOST "hardware decoders" are actually somewhat purposed designed DSPs with firmware to decode the codec of your choice |
| 19:59.41 | MonMotha | that VLSI chip is much more. It's got a micro onboard. The idea is that you don't need a separate micro |
| 20:00.51 | prpplague | one thing i've found interesting is to look throught the arm web site for product listings |
| 20:00.54 | MonMotha | if you WANT to make it just a "chuck Vorbis data into this FIFO", you could |
| 20:02.05 | prpplague | they generally will give you two or three new products that have a hackable arm core |
| 20:02.58 | Spacemonkey | is anyone else excited about the prospect of larger FeRAM chips? |
| 20:03.46 | MonMotha | I've got some of that stuff that I've been meaning to build into a system for instant on/off |
| 20:04.06 | MonMotha | if you have early power fail detection, you can trigger an NMI to immediately stack all the registers then halt |
| 20:04.18 | Spacemonkey | *Drool* |
| 20:04.34 | MonMotha | when power returns, you have the reset routine detect the "resume" and pop everything back off the stack, then jump back in to where you left off |
| 20:04.38 | Spacemonkey | that would be so awesome for a quick boot system |
| 20:04.46 | MonMotha | quick boot is an understatement |
| 20:04.52 | MonMotha | instant on right where you left off |
| 20:04.53 | Spacemonkey | thats the problem with embedded linux, boot times suck |
| 20:05.06 | MonMotha | it doesn't haev to |
| 20:05.32 | Spacemonkey | Im going to need some serious speed boosts to get fom 30 seconds to 1-2 seconds |
| 20:06.10 | MonMotha | if it takes you 30 seconds to boot, then you're doing something wrong |
| 20:06.54 | Spacemonkey | Agreed, that whole time is the kernel playing around |
| 20:07.14 | MonMotha | then something is amiss with your kernel |
| 20:07.23 | MonMotha | turn on the timestamp kernel events option and see what's going on |
| 20:07.53 | Spacemonkey | well there are no obvious delays, its just configuring all the peripherals. |
| 20:08.15 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: we do a complete boot from power off to usuable system in just 5.7 seconds |
| 20:08.16 | Spacemonkey | looks very much like a PC boot. I did ready that you can run some of these in parallel, that would help. |
| 20:08.59 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: and out suspend resume routine is so fast most users don't realize that the device was suspended |
| 20:09.35 | MonMotha | so it takes almost 30 seconds for the kernel to start init? |
| 20:09.39 | MonMotha | something is very, very wrong |
| 20:09.42 | Spacemonkey | prpplague: Im going to need to look into this. |
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| 20:10.00 | MonMotha | my DESKTOP only takes about 4-5 seconds for init to get started, and I have many drivers compiled into my kernel |
| 20:10.05 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: what processor are you using? |
| 20:10.10 | Spacemonkey | MonMotha: I agree, my UBOOT configures all the devices anyway in under a second. |
| 20:10.24 | MonMotha | if you strip stuff out and load them as modules (which you can if you're using an initrd, which you probably are), you can do some paralell loading and configuration |
| 20:10.29 | Spacemonkey | and the kernel is doing the same but taking a hell of a lot of time longer doing it. |
| 20:10.47 | Spacemonkey | DaVinci DM6446 |
| 20:10.57 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: isn't the kernel support for that relatively new? |
| 20:11.10 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: how long is it taking to decompress the kernel? |
| 20:11.21 | Spacemonkey | prpplague: decompress is probably about a second or so |
| 20:11.29 | MonMotha | how big is the zImage? |
| 20:11.49 | Spacemonkey | the uImage is about 1.8mb I think |
| 20:12.20 | MonMotha | that's not horrible, though it really takes a full second to decompress the kernel? |
| 20:12.44 | Spacemonkey | MonMotha: I would have to time it. The horrible bit is the inbetween to init! |
| 20:13.59 | MonMotha | have you tried moving some of the drivers out of the kernel and into the initrd as modules |
| 20:14.04 | MonMotha | then you can load them all in parallel |
| 20:14.14 | MonMotha | also, strip out any drivers you don't need, of course |
| 20:14.28 | Spacemonkey | MonMotha: Not yet, I am a noob when it comes to the finer points of embedded linux |
| 20:14.52 | MonMotha | that can make a huge difference |
| 20:14.53 | Spacemonkey | Micros and PCs Im ok on, its the in-between architectures! |
| 20:14.53 | CosmicPenguin | There are finer points? |
| 20:15.40 | Spacemonkey | At times I have to admit that Linux seems to be slowing development rather than speeding it up. |
| 20:16.11 | Spacemonkey | (of course in the long run thats not true - but you know what I mean) |
| 20:17.42 | CosmicPenguin | The big secret is that CE and other embedded operating systems struggle just as badly as we do |
| 20:20.48 | Spacemonkey | Cosmic: agreed, but we do not HAVE to use an OS on these things |
| 20:21.42 | wmat | all OS's suck, Linux just sucks less ;) |
| 20:22.18 | Spacemonkey | They should do a linux without userspace |
| 20:23.35 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: they do, its called, linux as a bootloader, LAB |
| 20:23.36 | chouimat|bored | wmat: not by much sometimes |
| 20:23.45 | wmat | but a perfect OS, or any technology for that matter wouldn't be any fun |
| 20:23.57 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:24.02 | Spacemonkey | Linux as a bootloader intra architecture? |
| 20:24.38 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: we are doing side by side device on a project, one running linux the other wince, let me tell ya, i'm about 6 month ahead of the ce team |
| 20:24.43 | wmat | the same applies to humans; the flawed ones are the most interesting |
| 20:25.22 | prpplague | wmat: don't forget the girls at the nudie, same applies to them |
| 20:25.29 | chouimat|bored | wmat: I agree but imagime the joy of not having to hear users complaints .... |
| 20:25.30 | wmat | heh, no doubt |
| 20:25.33 | Spacemonkey | prpplague: No doubt, I enjoy working on the platform a lot, I just hate relying on 3rd party drivers sometimes, because I do not have the time nor the capacity to learn some of the subsystems |
| 20:25.46 | wmat | chouimat|bored: just don't listen, it works great |
| 20:26.13 | wmat | gotta run, later |
| 20:26.47 | chouimat|bored | wmat: that too ... except when the most complaining users are a) your mother and b) your wife ... thanks it's now all over =) |
| 20:26.47 | prpplague | wmat: later |
| 20:26.55 | Spacemonkey | anyone here want to do any gadget swaps? I have a palm IIIx I dont use |
| 20:27.50 | Spacemonkey | I also have a Roland Plotter I used for circuit boards I dont need |
| 20:29.57 | Spacemonkey | and an Iomega Zip100 plus drive and a USB ADSL modem |
| 20:32.06 | Spacemonkey | wot no takers? not even for the cost of P&P |
| 20:36.13 | MonMotha | I think most of us have too many gadgets already |
| 20:36.46 | Spacemonkey | Im proposing a swap |
| 20:37.18 | Spacemonkey | I see useless crap all the time I just 'have' to own, would be easier to just exchange it |
| 20:39.33 | prpplague | OMFG |
| 20:40.21 | prpplague | US consulate in barbados jsut called, my wife's visa is complete |
| 20:40.29 | prpplague | she picks up her green card tomorrow |
| 20:40.31 | CosmicPenguin | yay! |
| 20:40.47 | GPSFan | prpplague: congrat's get her but into CONUS asap.. |
| 20:40.52 | prpplague | 3 years 9 months and .... |
| 20:40.56 | prpplague | 23 days |
| 20:41.18 | prpplague | yea, gotta buy some plane tickets |
| 20:42.07 | Spacemonkey | is it hard to get a greencard? I always fancied living in the States |
| 20:43.26 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: uh yea |
| 20:43.56 | prpplague | and i'm a US citizen |
| 20:44.13 | Spacemonkey | I can write good |
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| 20:44.57 | Spacemonkey | cant I get a job as a pool cleaner |
| 20:45.18 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: if you are a caucasian, educated, and have no criminal record, they your chances of getting a green card are slim to none |
| 20:45.26 | prpplague | s/they/then |
| 20:46.13 | Spacemonkey | prpplague: lol. Guess I am definately out then. Must be he difference between myself and my cousins (who live out there) |
| 20:46.43 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: try visiting http://www.visajourney.com or http://www.immigrate2us.net sometime |
| 20:46.55 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: the horror stories are there |
| 20:47.33 | Spacemonkey | prpplague: no offence but when I have visited the states (quite a lot) a lot of places could do with a few more educated people. |
| 20:48.02 | prpplague | Spacemonkey: no offence take, because i agree |
| 20:48.27 | MonMotha | the US is currently on a rather huge protectionist kick as a result of all the "turrists" |
| 20:49.24 | Spacemonkey | MonMotha: Yeah I guess Canada is always an option |
| 20:50.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: this isn't new, the immigration laws really changed back in 1986 |
| 20:50.37 | prpplague | television shows and moves make it out like all you have to do is get married to a US citizen and they give you a green card |
| 20:50.41 | Spacemonkey | Or I wil just have to make do living on the USA's Aircraft Carrier in Europe, AKA Great Britain. |
| 21:02.21 | Spacemonkey | Catch you guys later, happy hacking |
| 21:12.30 | ds2 | just go back in time, get your mom to be in US air space just before she gives birth and.... |
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| 23:15.10 | CosmicPenguin | I just got a support question on Microwindows |
| 23:15.35 | CosmicPenguin | talk about a context switch - thats information thats stuck deep in the swap device |
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