| 01:15.49 | wmat | this looks like fun for the kids: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/9617/ |
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| 05:41.31 | MonMotha | god the Windows memory scheduler/allocator sucks |
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| 12:53.43 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:50.56 | prpplague | any problems with flyback yesterday after i left? |
| 13:51.45 | agaffney | why do you keep letting him come back? :P |
| 13:52.07 | prpplague | agaffney: the banlist gets reset occasionally |
| 13:52.11 | agaffney | ah |
| 13:52.15 | chouimat|away | agaffney: probably the "hope that he changed his way" ... or something like this ;) |
| 13:52.45 | agaffney | chouimat: I believe you mean "extreme naivete" :P |
| 13:53.21 | chouimat | agaffney: I think so or is it one of the virtues all good christian should have? (sorry if I offended someone) |
| 13:54.02 | agaffney | I was raised that way, but I'm now agnostic/atheistic (depends on my mood) :P |
| 13:54.33 | chouimat | agaffney: hehe |
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| 14:55.36 | prpplague | first production run of the small arm board will be here after lunch |
| 14:56.02 | T0mW | ah, new toy. nothing else will get done today. |
| 14:56.55 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, no, unfortunately i'm swamped with a 802.11 driver |
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| 14:57.10 | prpplague | T0mW: i'll get to tinker a little after lunch but it will have to wait |
| 14:57.17 | T0mW | :( |
| 14:57.52 | T0mW | I'm always eager to get going with new glass (in your case a newly populated board) |
| 14:59.31 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:59.33 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 14:59.35 | prpplague | T0mW: me too |
| 14:59.45 | prpplague | T0mW: especially since this one is really coooool |
| 14:59.54 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:03.47 | chouimat | hi T0mW |
| 15:04.16 | T0mW | chouimat: good morning, a hot day today and I have to finish cutting the lawn sometime |
| 15:04.35 | T0mW | prpplague: not as hot as Texas though |
| 15:05.00 | chouimat | T0mW: it will be around 31 C here today ... probably something like 40 with the heat index :( |
| 15:05.04 | prpplague | not too bad today |
| 15:05.28 | prpplague | just 72 |
| 15:05.42 | MonMotha | already up to 83 here... |
| 15:06.51 | wmat | heh, hot here too, 32C |
| 15:06.57 | T0mW | 84 here |
| 15:07.14 | T0mW | but, that is at 11:00AM |
| 15:09.37 | chouimat | sorry it seems it will be around 34 C today (93 F) ... it's currently 29 C (84 F) |
| 15:12.34 | prpplague | hmm, whats the lest expensive arm based 802.11 AP anyone has seen? |
| 15:12.55 | chouimat | prpplague: a slug with an USB card? |
| 15:13.41 | prpplague | chouimat: about $100USD? |
| 15:14.16 | chouimat | prpplague: I guess |
| 15:14.42 | prpplague | chouimat: you guess? |
| 15:14.52 | prpplague | chouimat: how can you make a suggestion without knowing? |
| 15:14.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:15.08 | chouimat | prpplague: praticing my management skills ;) |
| 15:15.48 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:07.51 | ds2 | throw in a prism |
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| 16:53.52 | prpplague | doh, for some reason my build is making .o files instead of .ko |
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| 17:46.40 | ds2 | echos of 2.4? |
| 17:52.47 | chouimat | too much blood in beer stream? |
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| 18:50.39 | prpplague | wahooo the boards are here |
| 18:50.48 | prpplague | they are running burnin tests now |
| 18:51.04 | prpplague | those of you who are gonna beta test, we should be shipping next week |
| 18:52.06 | wmat | cool |
| 18:57.03 | prpplague | wmat: you spoken to timbird about doing the review? |
| 18:58.03 | prpplague | wmat: oh and btw, did you get me sysop status? |
| 19:02.40 | wmat | prpplague: no, but it's not necessary, as elinux.org is a "community" site now |
| 19:02.59 | prpplague | wmat: ahh ok |
| 19:03.15 | wmat | and no, i haven't gotten the right privs to grant you sysop yet as the guy in Finland went on vacation |
| 19:03.15 | prpplague | wmat: what about the backups? |
| 19:03.34 | prpplague | wmat: oh ok |
| 19:03.39 | wmat | incremental backups are run daily |
| 19:03.43 | wmat | full backups weekly |
| 19:04.00 | prpplague | wmat: yea, but i would like a copy or ability to do a backup |
| 19:04.15 | prpplague | wmat: so who with celf is going to do the review? |
| 19:04.58 | wmat | prpplague: of your board? |
| 19:05.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: ping |
| 19:05.02 | prpplague | wmat: yea |
| 19:05.15 | GPSFan | prpplague: ding |
| 19:05.19 | wmat | prpplague: is this in addition to the one you're sending me? |
| 19:05.31 | prpplague | wmat: possibly |
| 19:05.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: were you going to get in on the board beta? |
| 19:05.57 | wmat | prpplague: ah, in that case I'll email Tim, but he's off to OLS no may not get back to me right away |
| 19:06.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: or did you say you were too busy with the farm right now? |
| 19:06.07 | GPSFan | prpplague: It would be nice. |
| 19:06.32 | prpplague | wmat: ahh right |
| 19:06.38 | GPSFan | prpplague: no, major farm stuff has passed, just normal summer stuff. |
| 19:06.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: then you'd be interested in docs-for-hardware? |
| 19:07.00 | GPSFan | sure. |
| 19:07.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: send me an email, dave123_aml@yahoo.com with you contact/shipping info, with some background info |
| 19:07.59 | GPSFan | prpplague: will send again, I sent you that once before. |
| 19:08.03 | ds2 | so the board will really be produced? |
| 19:08.04 | prpplague | did you? |
| 19:08.29 | prpplague | odd, i don't have you in the beta tester list |
| 19:08.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: resend please |
| 19:08.45 | prpplague | ds2: i have 30 on my desk |
| 19:09.01 | GPSFan | prpplague: it was ~2 years ago. |
| 19:09.13 | ds2 | prpplague: where is the website with specs?! =) |
| 19:09.15 | wmat | prpplague: did you want to mail Tim directly? |
| 19:09.32 | prpplague | ds2: the website isn't open yet |
| 19:09.32 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'll send a new one. |
| 19:09.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: thanks |
| 19:09.52 | prpplague | wmat: yea, i'll send him an email a little later |
| 19:09.58 | chouimat | prpplague: which board? |
| 19:10.11 | prpplague | chouimat: a super small arm920t board |
| 19:10.21 | ds2 | the lack of info is making it hard to select something other then the gumstix verdex ;) |
| 19:11.21 | chouimat | prpplague: sound interesting |
| 19:12.00 | prpplague | http://www.pastebin.ca/590733 |
| 19:13.28 | chouimat | prpplague: wow this is small |
| 19:14.05 | ds2 | +5V power is required?! |
| 19:14.15 | prpplague | the only thing we didn't implement on the board is the capability of doing suspend/resume |
| 19:14.32 | ds2 | is there hardware missing for suspend/resume? |
| 19:14.43 | prpplague | ds2: 5v is easier for most homebrew people to |
| 19:15.00 | prpplague | ds2: lines aren't brought out, it needed extra pins |
| 19:15.09 | ds2 | I much rather you have it spec'ed for 2.2V-6V |
| 19:15.32 | ds2 | oh that sucks.. that's close to a show stopper (battery operated stuff) |
| 19:15.49 | prpplague | ds2: its just using a ldo, so you can go from 3.9v to 6.2v |
| 19:16.29 | prpplague | ds2: we polled alot of people, it just wasn't what people were asking for |
| 19:16.39 | ds2 | prpplague: oh, can I replace the LDO? want to do 2xAA or 1 LiIon |
| 19:16.59 | ds2 | prpplague: what about the USB ports, are they OTG or 2 distinct ports? |
| 19:17.30 | prpplague | ds2: 2 distinct ports, you can use both as hosts or 1host and 1 slave |
| 19:17.46 | ds2 | Oh I see. |
| 19:17.54 | prpplague | ds2: if you are good enough with a soldering iron, but i seriously doubt you could do it manually |
| 19:18.07 | ds2 | prpplague: is the 8 bit LCD interface for graphics or for those Hitachi text based LCDs? |
| 19:18.32 | ds2 | prpplague: is the LDO a little BGA thing? I can do most SOT-23's |
| 19:18.36 | prpplague | ds2: it will do 8 bit stn interface as well as for the hitachi style controllers |
| 19:19.48 | prpplague | ds2: yea its a sot-23 but its packed, so it will be a tight fit to remove it without damaging other items |
| 19:19.54 | ds2 | prpplague: the power management one is the killer... (looking for a board for a build your own phone app) |
| 19:20.18 | prpplague | ds2: there will be another board, a "big brother" that will have power management |
| 19:20.33 | ds2 | prpplague: any idea what the est. prices will be? |
| 19:22.21 | ds2 | oh and are the SPI's masters or slaves? |
| 19:22.34 | prpplague | ds2: spi's can do both |
| 19:22.41 | prpplague | ds2: $159 for one |
| 19:22.53 | prpplague | ds2: and a kit for around $229 |
| 19:23.46 | ds2 | so it'll cost me about $175ish |
| 19:24.06 | ds2 | nice toy |
| 19:24.13 | GPSFan | prpplague: sent |
| 19:24.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: thanks |
| 19:26.53 | ds2 | prpplague: what's responsible for most of the 120mA figure? |
| 19:27.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm, still haven't receive anything |
| 19:27.21 | prpplague | ds2: the 200mhz cpu clock |
| 19:27.34 | prpplague | ds2: thats peak though |
| 19:27.37 | ds2 | prpplague: is cpufreq support then? |
| 19:27.49 | prpplague | ds2: you can drop it down to around 20mA with some tweaking |
| 19:27.55 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 19:27.56 | ds2 | prpplague: eh? your thing says 'typical' |
| 19:28.15 | ds2 | prpplague: so with just software hacks, can I get it down to 5-10mA range? |
| 19:28.21 | prpplague | ds2: typical at 203mhz and running all the i/o's |
| 19:28.40 | prpplague | ds2: doubt you could get it to 5-10mA |
| 19:28.53 | prpplague | ds2: 20mA is probably more accurate |
| 19:29.12 | ds2 | 20mA isn't horrible for LiIon..... |
| 19:30.00 | ds2 | guess I need to study the datasheet to see what the extra hardware support would really add; the DIP40 form factor is a lot nicer then those hirose connectors |
| 19:31.23 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:31.41 | ds2 | what voltage does it want behind the LDO? |
| 19:31.48 | prpplague | ds2: 3.3v |
| 19:32.16 | prpplague | ds2: which then generates 1.8v for the core |
| 19:32.17 | ds2 | Hmmmmm so if I crush the LDO and tack solder a wire to a switcher... Hmmm |
| 19:32.32 | prpplague | yea, you could bypass the 5v requirement |
| 19:32.59 | ds2 | I'll either be using 2xAA or a LiIon battery so going up to 5V then linear down to 3.3V seems to be rather power inefficient |
| 19:33.30 | prpplague | ds2: yea in your case, but most home brew people are geared for 5v usage |
| 19:33.39 | ds2 | 5V is so 80's ;) |
| 19:33.59 | ds2 | do home brew people walk around with 4D cells + a 1N4001 for power? ;) |
| 19:34.05 | prpplague | ds2: yep, well, its still what the home brew people use |
| 19:34.48 | ds2 | prplague: any plans to do a multi unit (say 5pack) pricing? |
| 19:35.30 | prpplague | ds2: price break is at 10 |
| 19:35.47 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 19:36.05 | ds2 | now if i can round up 10 people wanting to build a phone... |
| 19:36.57 | ds2 | prpplague: will the board have pins on the DIP40 foot print? |
| 19:37.08 | ds2 | and follow up question is, are the pins removeable if they are there? |
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| 19:37.34 | prpplague | ds2: i just checked the schematic, you can do one of two things |
| 19:38.02 | prpplague | ds2: 1) you can pull the 5v input to ground and apply 3.3v to the 3.3v output line |
| 19:38.22 | prpplague | ds2: 2) or simply remove the ldo and apply 3.3v to the 3.3v output line |
| 19:38.56 | ds2 | okay |
| 19:38.58 | prpplague | ds2: its a standard dip40 package, and the pins are soldered in |
| 19:39.45 | ds2 | it is really geared toward low tech hackers :P |
| 19:40.08 | GPSFan | prpplague: just got a bounced email... that was it. I cut & pasted your address, maybe something got hosed... |
| 19:40.26 | ds2 | prplague: then how thick it is (at the highest component)? |
| 19:40.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: dave123_aml@yahoo.com |
| 19:41.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: or try danders@amltd.com |
| 19:41.32 | prpplague | ds2: yes indeed, its targeted at people are normally using parallax stamps but want more power |
| 19:42.23 | prpplague | ds2: about 4mm |
| 19:43.12 | GPSFan | prpplague: sen again to the yahoo, if it bounces I'll try the aml one. |
| 19:43.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: okie dokie |
| 19:44.03 | ds2 | at least there is a bounce... yahoo just drops mail from my domain |
| 19:44.26 | ds2 | doesn't the kernel have a driver for reading MMC cards over an SPI interface? |
| 19:44.34 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 19:46.05 | ds2 | an interesting benchmark to see is how long would 2xAA run the board playing MP3's off a MMC card with PWMs generating the audio |
| 19:46.55 | ds2 | Oh and are the lines 5v tolorant? |
| 19:50.55 | GPSFan | prpplague: bounced again, here is the error message: http://www.pastebin.ca/590797 I'll send it to the aml addy.. |
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| 19:52.22 | GPSFan | prpplague: rats it's cause I copied it out off the chat program, and it added the mailto prefix. of course that user doesn't exist ;P |
| 20:05.23 | prpplague | ds2: yea that would be interesting |
| 20:05.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: got it thanks |
| 20:06.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: your on the list |
| 20:08.30 | GPSFan | prpplague: thanks, eta? |
| 20:09.35 | prpplague | GPSFan: a week or two at most |
| 20:09.41 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 20:24.43 | prpplague | anyone seen davidc lately? |
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| 20:36.36 | prpplague | davidc__work: hey dave |
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| 21:24.33 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9666631293.html |
| 21:26.11 | prpplague | BS killer app? |
| 21:26.34 | ds2 | BAH |
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| 21:27.00 | agaffney | prpplague: something made up but that sounds cool and legitimate :P |
| 21:27.00 | ds2 | give me a phone that can go where the wifi roam.... |
| 21:27.39 | agaffney | similar to the way I got an efika... :P |
| 21:29.05 | agaffney | my efika project was "add support for EFIKA to the gentoo installer" |
| 21:29.18 | agaffney | which doesn't even make sense as the EFIKA is an "embedded" board :P |
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| 21:33.09 | MonMotha | how the hell could I have missed that thing? |
| 21:33.17 | MonMotha | I'm in the market for a new phone, anyway |
| 21:34.52 | MonMotha | too bad is has a damned camera |
| 21:36.40 | ds2 | what's your complain about the camera? |
| 21:39.16 | MonMotha | ds2: they all suck to high heaven anyway, and cause problems with some "secure" business locations |
| 21:39.31 | MonMotha | if you have a plain phone, you can take it with you, but if you have a camera phone, you have to check it at the door |
| 21:39.36 | MonMotha | I carry a real camera anyway |
| 21:40.50 | prpplague | MonMotha: not just business locations |
| 21:41.13 | prpplague | MonMotha: almost all .gov locations are restrictive as well |
| 21:50.21 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah, I've been to one place that had a no cameras restriction |
| 21:50.35 | MonMotha | the sign did specifically mention camera phones, though there didn't seem to be much enforcement |
| 21:50.46 | MonMotha | my current phone is a no-frills brick, so it didn't matter |
| 21:51.39 | MonMotha | I currently use a Nokia 6340 |
| 21:54.24 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, seems the only ones i can get thats a standard brick phone is the pre-paid throw aways |
| 21:56.51 | MonMotha | the issue I have is that I desire a phone with bluetooth...and nothing else |
| 21:57.29 | MonMotha | there is a motorola model that would work |
| 21:57.40 | MonMotha | carried by T-Mobile too, so I can get it cheap with the new contract |
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