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| 13:25.19 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:25.49 | prpplague | chouimat: greetings |
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| 13:26.08 | chouimat | prpplague: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070627 |
| 13:29.22 | prpplague | cut |
| 13:29.24 | prpplague | cute |
| 13:39.29 | agaffney | heh |
| 13:39.53 | agaffney | that's just the kind of lame geek joke I've come to expect from userfriendly...I love it! |
| 13:41.18 | chouimat | hehe |
| 13:41.21 | wmat | haha |
| 13:41.46 | wmat | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 13:41.52 | wmat | equally bad/funny |
| 13:42.04 | prpplague | wmat: work safe? |
| 13:42.10 | wmat | yes |
| 13:42.25 | chouimat | wmat: this too is weird http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/ (and this one is work safe but some aren't) |
| 13:42.40 | agaffney | wmat: xkcd is my favorite webcomic |
| 13:42.49 | agaffney | I've got a few of them taped to my office door |
| 13:42.52 | agaffney | nobody gets them :P |
| 13:42.59 | agaffney | except for the one about cats and human intelligence |
| 13:43.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:43.38 | wmat | agaffney: yeah, xkcd is consistently funny |
| 13:43.42 | agaffney | chouimat: yeah, that one is pretty good. it's just weird because everyone is usually naked :P |
| 13:43.50 | chouimat | agaffney: hehe |
| 13:46.23 | chouimat | agaffney: one of my favorite ... http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=cd8cb971-635e-404c-9840-defc4d2ab895 (the one I prefers is number 1 in the top ten) |
| 13:46.48 | agaffney | hah |
| 13:48.16 | prpplague | cute |
| 13:49.43 | prpplague | man i've got a ton of work to do |
| 13:50.00 | prpplague | did i ever mention that i really really hate working on 802.11 drivers |
| 13:50.03 | prpplague | i find them boring |
| 13:50.09 | agaffney | heh |
| 13:51.16 | prpplague | gotta figure out why the 2.6 kernel build isn't finding the includes |
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| 14:06.00 | prpplague | well thats some what better, got a nice .ko file this time |
| 14:07.42 | wmat | so what was the problem |
| 14:07.47 | wmat | paths or permissions ;) |
| 14:09.25 | prpplague | wmat: crappy makefile code |
| 14:09.33 | prpplague | wmat: its code from marvell |
| 14:10.32 | wmat | prpplague: ahh |
| 14:11.43 | prpplague | hmm |
| 14:12.09 | prpplague | building two kernel modules and getting warnings about undefined symbols in one that are in the other |
| 14:13.33 | prpplague | i thought those types of warnings were suppose to be surpressed when doing modules |
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| 14:28.03 | prpplague | Crofton: morning |
| 14:28.14 | Crofton | er afternoon :) |
| 14:28.19 | Crofton | we are in Italy :) |
| 14:28.36 | chouimat | Crofton warm there? |
| 14:29.01 | prpplague | Crofton: wow |
| 14:29.03 | Crofton | cool and rainy |
| 14:29.11 | Crofton | we are in the Dolomits |
| 14:29.43 | prpplague | Crofton: you got any experience with makefiles for external 2.6 drivers? |
| 14:29.55 | Crofton | no |
| 14:29.59 | prpplague | doh |
| 14:30.31 | Crofton | looking for an elnglish language forecsat :) |
| 14:32.23 | ekiller200 | prpplague: what problems are you haveing with your makefile? |
| 14:33.09 | prpplague | ekiller200: building two modules, the first one depends on the second, getting "undefined" warnings during modpost |
| 14:33.29 | prpplague | ekiller200: modules work, just don't like the warnings |
| 14:33.58 | prpplague | ekiller200: trying to figure out what i'm not doing for to check against the two modules |
| 14:34.09 | ekiller200 | prpplague: I think thats ok, I worked this out once |
| 14:35.05 | prpplague | ekiller200: yea, there should be a way to correct the warnings though |
| 14:35.30 | ekiller200 | prpplague: yeah, there is.. I am trying to remeber how.. something with a symbol list in the kernel source.. |
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| 14:39.51 | ekiller200 | prpplague: your seeing the ***Warning "function" in [file] undefined! correct? |
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| 14:59.51 | prpplague | crap crap crap |
| 14:59.58 | prpplague | i hate it when i run across these problems |
| 15:01.24 | chouimat | prpplague: I hate when I want to do something and 5 minutes later I forget what it was |
| 15:02.38 | prpplague | guess i do the unthinkable, and ask in #kernelnewbies |
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| 15:16.47 | agaffney | heh |
| 15:16.55 | prpplague | agaffney: you every run across that? |
| 15:17.15 | agaffney | I don't do kernel development :P |
| 15:17.21 | agaffney | the kernel frightens me ;) |
| 15:17.42 | chouimat | agaffney: the code or the people? ;) |
| 15:17.52 | agaffney | a little of both |
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| 15:21.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping ping |
| 15:23.01 | CosmicPenguin | hello |
| 15:23.08 | CosmicPenguin | now you see me, now wpa_supplicant sucks |
| 15:24.01 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 15:24.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 15:25.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, you every built an externel 2.6 kernel driver that consists of more than one module? |
| 15:25.29 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 15:25.32 | CosmicPenguin | but the concept is the same |
| 15:25.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats what i thought, but i'm running into a problem |
| 15:26.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the first module depends on the second, so when modpost runs it warns of undefined symbols |
| 15:26.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the modules work of course |
| 15:26.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but the warnings are annoying |
| 15:26.42 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:26.46 | prpplague | scared him off |
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| 15:27.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: re |
| 15:30.56 | CosmicPenguin | moved to a different server |
| 15:30.58 | CosmicPenguin | a better server |
| 15:33.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: np |
| 15:33.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: like i said, weird problem |
| 15:33.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: do you know of an example driver that builds two modules that are dependent? |
| 15:44.24 | prpplague | http://mail.nl.linux.org/kernelnewbies/2006-08/msg00086.html |
| 15:44.30 | prpplague | that guy has the exact same issue |
| 15:51.26 | CosmicPenguin | what exactly is it doing |
| 15:53.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: compiles, then at the modpost, it warns of undefined symbols because its not checking against the second moduke |
| 15:53.22 | prpplague | module |
| 15:56.02 | CosmicPenguin | ew |
| 15:56.13 | CosmicPenguin | that shouldn't matter though - depmod should figure that out when things are installed |
| 15:56.27 | prpplague | yea, it works fine |
| 15:56.37 | prpplague | just pissy about the warnings |
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| 17:29.57 | lyakh | hi, has anybody seen / played with chumby (http://www.chumby.com/)? |
| 17:31.42 | prpplague | lyakh: chumby is that the fat kid down the block? |
| 17:32.15 | prpplague | lyakh: hehe, no, i don't think any of us have gotten our hands on a chumby yet |
| 17:35.37 | lyakh | prpplague, ic, and they don't have any more developer samples left:-( should cost under $100... |
| 17:36.04 | wmat | lyakh: I've seen them online only |
| 17:38.58 | lyakh | oh, well, just a toy:-) |
| 17:47.26 | ds2 | hey prpplague, on your board, how is the entire USB host power mess handled? (or is that why +5V was called out) |
| 17:48.04 | prpplague | ds2: the board itself doesn't deal with the power issue |
| 17:48.14 | prpplague | ds2: you'd need to provide some external 5v source |
| 17:50.41 | ds2 | prpplague: oh... so I will loose at least 1 GPIO to deal with hotplug detection and power then? |
| 17:51.58 | prpplague | ds2: if you handle it that way, yea |
| 17:52.16 | ds2 | prpplague: can you enlighten me as to another way of handling it? |
| 17:55.05 | prpplague | ds2: have continuous power turned on with no overcurrent protection, insertion will generate a reset on the controller |
| 17:55.26 | ds2 | ah clever. |
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| 18:13.47 | T0mW | ho hom |
| 18:13.52 | T0mW | ho hum, heh |
| 18:15.15 | chouimat | hi T0mW |
| 18:15.27 | T0mW | chouimat: working yet / still ? |
| 18:16.09 | chouimat | T0mW: just finished the most boring contract ... waiting for news and stuff |
| 18:16.11 | prpplague | T0mW: greetings |
| 18:16.48 | T0mW | prpplague: good afternoon. |
| 18:17.28 | T0mW | you know, I used to look at those guys with 4 or more monitors lined up facing them and wonder what kind of ego trip they were on? |
| 18:17.32 | T0mW | well... |
| 18:18.03 | T0mW | Stuff keeps getting more complex and more computers are needed, blah-blah |
| 18:18.22 | chouimat | T0mW: I have 3 monitors and a laptop in front of me ... |
| 18:19.43 | T0mW | chouimat: I'd been using two LCDs for a while, plus 4 port KVM switch, now the laptop has joined into the fray |
| 18:20.36 | chouimat | T0mW: and I have 3 old 14" on another tables ... I think they're dead but I might be able to resurect one or 2 |
| 18:20.55 | chouimat | T0mW: they will be ok on the servers :) |
| 18:23.02 | T0mW | chouimat: so would ssh |
| 18:23.17 | chouimat | T0mW: true |
| 18:25.34 | T0mW | AHHHH! It works. Stupid 64bit computing anyhow. Why is it that if you think something is wrong and take the app to the 32bit machine it works? |
| 18:27.29 | T0mW | I have two AMD X2 boxes, in my infinite genius decided that both should have 64bit o/s's on them. 64bit is stable, right? DOH! |
| 18:39.32 | chouimat | T0mW: with some definition of stable: 32bit isn't |
| 18:42.08 | T0mW | chouimat: true. I seem to be having thread related issues with x86_64 programs though. Problem is probably with fpc (free pascal) or Lazarus somehow. Apps built with the cthreads class run as expected on i586 but do wierd sh!t on x86_64. |
| 18:42.40 | T0mW | s/sh!t on x86_64/stuff when compiled for x86_64/ |
| 18:46.05 | ds2 | heh... x86 ports is fun |
| 18:46.40 | T0mW | ds2: yes, don't you just love the mystery of it? |
| 18:46.48 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i've been considering getting atleast a dual screen |
| 18:46.57 | prpplague | T0mW: 9xmedia has some really good stuff |
| 18:47.06 | T0mW | prpplague: that Samsung 244T has my eye |
| 18:47.21 | prpplague | T0mW: url? |
| 18:47.21 | ds2 | T0mW: actually,they are pretty simple to track down. at least on linux. usually they come from people using int's to store pointers;did a projec tlike that last year |
| 18:47.40 | ekiller200 | root |
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| 18:47.49 | prpplague | http://www.9xmedia.com/pages-Build_a_system/X-Top---3across.html |
| 18:47.56 | prpplague | thats the one they use on sg-1 |
| 18:48.46 | chouimat | nice |
| 18:49.21 | agaffney | mmm |
| 18:50.01 | T0mW | prpplague: thinking of upgrading your Flight Simulator / BzFlag gaming experience with that thing? |
| 18:50.13 | prpplague | T0mW: no, i'd like to code with that |
| 18:50.22 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah |
| 18:50.40 | prpplague | T0mW: target platform on one, code in center, reference docs and utils on the other |
| 18:50.59 | chouimat | T0mW: you put email/irc and a few console on the left one, your development stuff in the middle and the documentation and maybe other stuff on the right one |
| 18:51.35 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, that is how it does play out, doesn't it? BTW, with one computer running those desktops, how would you handle the keyboard stuff? |
| 18:51.53 | chouimat | cool http://www.9xmedia.com/Pages-Portable-media-center/2000-Portable_media_center.html |
| 18:52.03 | prpplague | T0mW: x supports multidesktop with no problems |
| 18:52.18 | prpplague | T0mW: mouse and keyboard follow |
| 18:52.49 | prpplague | T0mW: i've had it setup before with 3 crts |
| 18:53.56 | T0mW | prpplague: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=24-001-222-03.jpg%2c24-001-222-02.jpg%2c24-001-222-04.jpg%2c24-001-222-07.jpg%2c24-001-222-06.jpg%2c24-001-222-08.jpg%2c24-001-222-09.jpg%2c24-001-222-10.jpg%2c24-001-222-11.jpg%2c24-001-222-12.jpg%2c24-001-222-13.jpg%2c24-001-222-14.jpg%2c24-001-222-15.jpg%2c24-001-222-16.jpg%2c24-001-222-17.jpg%2c24-001-222-18.jpg&CurImage=24-001-222-03.jpg&Depa=0&Description=SAMSUNG+244t-BK+Blac |
| 18:53.56 | T0mW | k+24%26quot%3b+6ms+(GTG)+DVI+Widescreen+LCD+Monitor+with+Height+%26amp%3b+Pivot+Adjustments+500+cd%2fm2+1000%3a1+-+Retail |
| 18:53.59 | T0mW | oops |
| 18:54.06 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:54.19 | prpplague | ~lart T0mW for not using tinyurl |
| 18:54.19 | purl | hauls T0mW up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles for not using tinyurl |
| 18:54.31 | prpplague | purl: botsnack |
| 18:54.31 | purl | aw, gee, prpplague |
| 18:54.47 | T0mW | http://preview.tinyurl.com/2mjkoj |
| 18:55.01 | chouimat | ~lart 100000000 emails thread |
| 18:55.01 | purl | plops 100000000 emails thread into a giant vat of herring |
| 18:55.34 | prpplague | T0mW: oh nice |
| 18:55.36 | T0mW | I cannot seem to do anything "right" today. <sigh> |
| 18:55.59 | T0mW | prpplague: it has DVI input so when it comes time to switch to Digital Cable... |
| 18:56.28 | prpplague | T0mW: whats that normally cost? around $1100 ? |
| 18:56.40 | T0mW | my cable tv company encrypts ALL their QAM data streams. :( So, I would have to give up my MythTV box. |
| 18:56.56 | T0mW | prpplague: around $600 right now + shipping |
| 18:57.01 | prpplague | T0mW: wow |
| 18:57.34 | T0mW | prpplague: it is supposed to have very immunity to banding |
| 18:57.40 | T0mW | prpplague: it is supposed to have very good immunity to banding |
| 18:59.10 | ds2 | prpplague: how long is that list of yours? |
| 18:59.35 | T0mW | lol |
| 19:00.00 | T0mW | ds2: into his next lifetime |
| 19:00.57 | prpplague | actually its pretty short |
| 19:01.22 | T0mW | yeah, Dave adds things to the list and Donna edits it |
| 19:01.40 | prpplague | ds2: besides, after going to the nudie bar, i usually don't have much left to spend |
| 19:01.43 | prpplague | T0mW: amen |
| 19:02.10 | ds2 | so something does trump electronics ;) |
| 19:02.29 | prpplague | T0mW: plane tickets along with all the other minor expenses came to almost $4000 |
| 19:02.50 | prpplague | ds2: beer and boobs |
| 19:03.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you figure out your problem? |
| 19:04.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no never did, just ignoring it for now |
| 19:05.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:05.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i have to tell cvs the same thing |
| 19:06.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i just hate thinking that i've got something wrong in my makefile |
| 19:06.49 | CosmicPenguin | roam even |
| 19:06.54 | T0mW | :P |
| 19:07.22 | ds2 | what I need some AI in patch |
| 19:09.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we are considering dropping wpa_supplicant in favor of purchasing a wpa client from devicescape |
| 19:09.45 | CosmicPenguin | okay |
| 19:09.50 | CosmicPenguin | I'm happy for you? |
| 19:10.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: re <CosmicPenguin> now you see me, now wpa_supplicant sucks |
| 19:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | oh, heh |
| 19:11.04 | CosmicPenguin | well - wpa_supplicant does suck |
| 19:11.23 | ds2 | just run IPsec ;) |
| 19:11.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, its a mess to build and support |
| 19:11.32 | prpplague | ds2: doesn't work that way |
| 19:11.52 | prpplague | ds2: you have to sell what people are buying, and they've been trained to want wpa |
| 19:12.06 | ds2 | note the ';)' |
| 19:12.58 | ds2 | if it were up to me, I would insist people do all encryption at the application layer |
| 19:15.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows OLS? |
| 19:16.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you already do you presentation? |
| 19:16.13 | CosmicPenguin | no - tomorrow |
| 19:16.26 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:17.25 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 19:17.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you attending to the embedded BOFs? |
| 19:19.22 | CosmicPenguin | I'll go to at least one - we've blown tim bird off lately |
| 19:19.24 | CosmicPenguin | we being AMD |
| 19:19.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh? mind if i ask why? |
| 19:20.04 | CosmicPenguin | just laziness |
| 19:20.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 19:20.30 | CosmicPenguin | we need to be better about that stuff - but its just me that ends up making an effort |
| 19:20.43 | CosmicPenguin | and they don't let me travel nearly as much as I probably should |
| 19:20.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: understood |
| 19:20.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btdt |
| 19:20.53 | CosmicPenguin | of course - traveling is bad since I'm a fscking developer |
| 19:20.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still doing it |
| 19:21.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this years presentations look pretty good |
| 19:22.25 | prpplague | if OLS isn't dead next year, might try to attend |
| 19:22.50 | ds2 | what's OLS? |
| 19:22.56 | CosmicPenguin | if it does die - then at least go to CELF |
| 19:23.09 | chouimat | ds2: ottawa linux symposium |
| 19:23.13 | CosmicPenguin | that would probably be easier to justify to yourself and your bosses |
| 19:24.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you'd think that |
| 19:24.45 | CosmicPenguin | tuche |
| 19:24.48 | CosmicPenguin | touche even |
| 19:25.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm considering getting a couple of PIC's for the kids |
| 19:25.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: either that or a couple of cheap emachines |
| 19:25.24 | chouimat | prpplague: I have a way for you to attend OLS ... just upgrade yourself to be a Sales Drone |
| 19:26.11 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, well, i can see myself paying to have a labotomy done |
| 19:26.15 | prpplague | can't |
| 19:26.18 | CosmicPenguin | you should at least try a PIC before buying it |
| 19:26.26 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 19:26.29 | CosmicPenguin | figure out what you want to run on it |
| 19:27.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mostly the kids just want to surf the web |
| 19:27.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: needs to support basic web stuff like flash |
| 19:27.47 | CosmicPenguin | I wish you luck |
| 19:28.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:28.13 | prpplague | might just go with the emachines |
| 19:28.21 | prpplague | walmart has them for $378 |
| 19:28.47 | prpplague | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5673669 |
| 19:29.21 | CosmicPenguin | 378 for a via? |
| 19:30.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry $248 |
| 19:30.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry $348 |
| 19:30.47 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 20:07.50 | T0mW | geez, 10 hours to make a 5 minute fix and build |
| 20:08.29 | wmat | you billing by the hour? |
| 20:08.31 | wmat | ;) |
| 20:08.45 | T0mW | wmat: yessir! |
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| 20:10.27 | wmat | heh |
| 20:22.54 | prpplague | wmat: doh, a bunch of the zipit pages are mixed up |
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| 20:41.44 | prpplague | T0mW: interesting, this months circuit celllar has a soft usbslave device using an atmega168 |
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| 20:50.54 | CosmicPenguin | hohum |
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| 20:51.45 | ignatoff | has anyone worked with the ep93xx_eth driver for the Cirrus Logic arm9 chip ? |
| 21:10.17 | prpplague | ignatoff: most of thats going to be on the #ep93xx channel |
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| 21:11.56 | ignatoff | prpplague: : yep i am there too :) |
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| 22:43.47 | CosmicPenguin | fedora for arm |
| 22:43.59 | CosmicPenguin | does anybody else get cold shivers when they hear that? |
| 22:54.44 | g1powermac | heh |
| 22:54.52 | g1powermac | can't be any worse than WinCE ;-) |
| 22:55.41 | Exiles | Windows XP for ARM on Boch's |
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