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| 13:12.10 | prpplague | wow we have gotten a pretty good size crowd in #edev lately |
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| 13:30.15 | wmat | prpplague: I fixed the zipit links, i think |
| 13:30.41 | prpplague | wmat: yea, i just looked, thanks |
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| 13:31.36 | wmat | prpplague: someone had duplicated a bunch of pages the day before, using page names without spaces. I deleted those and fixed all the links to pagenames with spaces. |
| 13:32.05 | prpplague | wmat: cool deal, thanks |
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| 13:51.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ready for this afternoon? slides all done? |
| 13:51.43 | CosmicPenguin | sure |
| 13:51.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: will you be doing the presentation sober? |
| 13:52.43 | CosmicPenguin | Does crack count? |
| 13:53.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i was thinking more like beer |
| 13:55.37 | CosmicPenguin | just crack |
| 13:56.53 | wmat | CosmicPenguin: try to stay awake |
| 14:23.48 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: crack? Studying for a sales position? |
| 14:24.56 | wmat | T0mW: and marketing, even |
| 14:25.11 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:30.32 | wmat | you guys with elinux.org user accounts should put something in your user profile then "protect" the page. It's not necessary, but leaving your User page unpopulated allows anyone to put up info about you (albeit until we find out), but still. |
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| 14:39.39 | prpplague | their posts haven't been updated in days |
| 14:42.02 | prpplague | wonder if this will run linux ok - http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WSYS162-R |
| 14:44.30 | agaffney | not much info, but as "old" as it is, I'm sure everything is supported |
| 14:45.25 | chouimat | prpplague: nice |
| 14:45.36 | prpplague | agaffney: those might be great for the kids rooms |
| 14:46.20 | chouimat | hmmm that would be a nice compile server ... |
| 14:46.29 | agaffney | pfft |
| 14:46.56 | chouimat | agaffney: so I can unload my p3/667 ;) |
| 14:47.16 | agaffney | you use that as a build box? :P |
| 14:47.38 | chouimat | agaffney: main development box ... that and my ibook g4 1Ghz |
| 14:47.53 | agaffney | poor, poor you |
| 14:48.32 | chouimat | agaffney: yes keyword here is poor ;) I have 5 computers that I could distribute the build so it's ok ... and I'm learning patience :) |
| 14:49.18 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:49.53 | agaffney | my primary build boxes are my dual-core amd64 workstation and my netra t1125 (dual 450MHz sparc64) |
| 14:50.56 | chouimat | agaffney: I have a few p200mmx around and for some job I use them ... I don't feel like installing DOS in qemu or vmware |
| 15:11.59 | prpplague | there has got to be an include that is missing |
| 15:13.42 | CosmicPenguin | includes don't help undefined symbols at link time, you know |
| 15:15.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, just grabing at straws now |
| 15:15.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wish i had a good example to use |
| 15:16.20 | Exiles | missing library? |
| 15:17.46 | prpplague | kernel module |
| 15:21.11 | prpplague | its like something is being left otu |
| 15:27.47 | prpplague | does anyone know of a external kernel driver that uses two modules ? |
| 15:28.12 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: look at the rt2x00 |
| 15:29.16 | CosmicPenguin | quick - name your favorite bootloader |
| 15:29.20 | prpplague | apex |
| 15:29.26 | chouimat|busy | grub2 |
| 15:29.50 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: hehe ;) |
| 15:30.03 | CosmicPenguin | I'm in the same town as you - don't make me find you |
| 15:30.40 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: haha |
| 15:31.40 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: I might be downtown later today ... and saturday (my mother, probably my brother and grandmother) will be around so I think I will go in a few museum with them |
| 15:32.21 | CosmicPenguin | You come downtown for Canada Day too? |
| 15:34.52 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:34.59 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: doesn't look to help |
| 15:35.31 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: it's the only one I can think how for now |
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| 15:35.46 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: thanks anyway |
| 15:35.57 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: np |
| 15:36.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when linking these modules, i don't need to do anything special right, just do an ld link normal? |
| 15:41.06 | CosmicPenguin | kernel? |
| 15:41.40 | Exiles | redboot |
| 15:41.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 15:41.54 | CosmicPenguin | the kernel infrastructure should handle all |
| 15:42.00 | CosmicPenguin | you getting into trouble with GPL symbols? |
| 15:43.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, the symbols are in one module, but not being linking into the second module |
| 15:43.53 | CosmicPenguin | and what are the warnings you are getting? |
| 15:44.05 | CosmicPenguin | (if I go away, just keep typing, I'll catch up) |
| 15:45.34 | Exiles | typing typing typing, fsck it, I give up |
| 15:45.48 | prpplague | *** Warning: "stop_bus_clock_2" [sd8xxx.ko] undefined! |
| 15:45.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: several of those |
| 15:46.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the symbols are in another module being built at the same time |
| 15:47.18 | Exiles | try building single threaded for kernel? |
| 15:47.51 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:47.54 | CosmicPenguin | thats okay |
| 15:48.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 15:48.21 | CosmicPenguin | There might be a way to include the current directory in the symbol search |
| 15:48.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: problem is that when i load the modules i get a an error |
| 15:48.56 | CosmicPenguin | even after installing and running depmod by hand? |
| 15:49.05 | prpplague | sd8xxx: Unknown symbol stop_bus_clock_2 |
| 15:49.13 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:49.23 | CosmicPenguin | even after hand insmoding in the correct order? |
| 15:49.33 | CosmicPenguin | Stupid question - did you export the symbol? :) |
| 15:49.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, this is marvell code |
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| 15:50.01 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.... |
| 15:50.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it worked for 2.4, problem seems to show up with 2.6 |
| 15:50.06 | CosmicPenguin | taint then? |
| 15:50.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 15:50.45 | CosmicPenguin | does whatever defines stop_bus_clock_2 taint the kernel? |
| 15:51.18 | CosmicPenguin | And did they expect you to make modules that depend on their module? |
| 15:51.29 | CosmicPenguin | At first blush - it really sounds like the symbol isn't exported |
| 15:52.13 | CosmicPenguin | madwifi |
| 15:52.29 | Exiles | insane |
| 15:52.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea the module is tainted, but its all contained |
| 15:53.18 | CosmicPenguin | try to take it apart - see what section the symbol shows up in |
| 15:54.05 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 15:54.06 | prpplague | doing now |
| 15:56.25 | prpplague | yea its definetly not exporting the symbols |
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| 15:59.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: bastards! |
| 16:00.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which is odd since the exports is in the code |
| 16:06.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really really weird |
| 16:07.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the original source was tarballed in dos format |
| 16:07.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i did a dos2unix on it |
| 16:07.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it appears the EXPORT_SYMBOL section wasn't being read |
| 16:07.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i deleted and retyped, now its working |
| 16:08.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: first time i ever ran across that before |
| 16:08.56 | prpplague | note |
| 16:09.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks for the help |
| 16:09.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: was getting totally frustrated |
| 16:09.46 | prpplague | couldn't see the forest for the tree |
| 16:09.48 | prpplague | trees |
| 16:16.53 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:16.57 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - no problem |
| 16:17.06 | CosmicPenguin | thank the kernel guys - they made that stuff nice and predictable |
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| 17:18.35 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:20.41 | wmat | heh |
| 17:20.48 | wmat | prpplague: we should be at OLS |
| 17:22.56 | prpplague | wmat: yep |
| 17:23.02 | prpplague | wmat: too many irons in the fire |
| 17:23.20 | wmat | yep |
| 17:24.04 | prpplague | anyone know whats up with newsforge? |
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| 17:33.48 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:33.52 | prpplague | is it friday yet? |
| 17:34.13 | agaffney | unfortunately not |
| 17:34.19 | wmat | it is for me ;) |
| 17:34.32 | wmat | heh |
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| 17:38.44 | ds2 | potentially dumb question - does the presence of a NAND controller on a chip (i.e. the juicebox uC) mean I can talk to the NAND flash (for read purposes) as if it was any other memory location, i.e I can do a memcpy( somelargeareaofram, NANDflashbase_addr )? |
| 17:39.06 | prpplague | ds2: no |
| 17:39.24 | prpplague | ds2: the juicebox doesn't use the nand flash controller |
| 17:39.30 | prpplague | ds2: it just bit bangs the flash |
| 17:39.38 | ds2 | Oh? |
| 17:39.48 | ds2 | is that why I can't boot off xD? |
| 17:40.07 | prpplague | correct |
| 17:40.24 | ds2 | ah. but if idid use the NAND controller, would the rest of my statement be true? |
| 17:41.46 | prpplague | ds2: depends on the controller, but most is no, you need a specific driver to handle operations |
| 17:42.16 | ds2 | okay, so they generally don't turn a serial device like NAND into parallel |
| 17:42.42 | prpplague | ds2: there is the OneNand stuff |
| 17:42.47 | prpplague | ds2: but generally no |
| 17:43.24 | ds2 | now I can understand more of the DoC problem/value |
| 17:43.30 | ds2 | thanks. |
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| 18:50.45 | prpplague | g1powermac_: hey crack baby |
| 18:51.05 | g1powermac | yo prpplague |
| 18:51.23 | prpplague | g1powermac: you hear? we got the first production run of the boards in |
| 18:51.33 | g1powermac | awesome |
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| 19:33.14 | wmat | interesting: http://www.ccnmag.com/news.php?id=5426 |
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| 19:37.28 | prpplague | wmat: interesting indeed |
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| 19:49.46 | prpplague | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287043,00.html |
| 19:50.01 | prpplague | thats the kind of insane crap that just makes me see red |
| 19:50.27 | prpplague | here it is congress is trying to give amnesty to people who intentionally break the law, and then punish people who follow the rules |
| 19:53.48 | wmat | that is nuts |
| 19:55.42 | prpplague | cbrake: yea, thats similiar to the module from wi2wi.com |
| 19:55.42 | cbrake | prpplague: it seems to me that if the Atheros wifi solution has an open WinCE and Linux driver, making modules based on this chip would be _good_ business. |
| 19:56.58 | cbrake | prpplague: the module I see on the wi2wi site seems to be based on the marvell chip? |
| 19:57.06 | cbrake | http://wi2wi.com/wireless.php |
| 19:57.39 | wmat | wow, Linux is on 77.8%of the Top500 supercomputers |
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| 20:03.12 | prpplague | cbrake: yea |
| 20:04.03 | cbrake | prpplague: so accton is the only company we know of that makes production grade AR6000 modules (we think)? |
| 20:04.30 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:04.44 | wmat | prpplague: take a stab at naming that new desktop supercomputer: http://www.ece.umd.edu/supercomputer/ |
| 20:05.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:05.36 | wmat | only residents of the US can enter |
| 20:05.40 | wmat | lame |
| 20:08.24 | agaffney | hah, that's funny |
| 20:08.32 | agaffney | because they give you a dropdown for country |
| 20:09.11 | agaffney | that makes no sense |
| 20:09.24 | wmat | yeah, i saw that too |
| 20:33.18 | ds2 | marvel GPL driver may be coming soon if the gumstix folks are to be beleived |
| 20:33.40 | prpplague | ds2: for cf |
| 20:33.44 | prpplague | ds2: not for sdio |
| 20:34.45 | ds2 | yes |
| 20:35.05 | ds2 | prpplague: SDIO has the SD consortum issues to complicate matters |
| 20:35.28 | ds2 | and CF is close enough to ISA that it should be usable on a 8051 if need be |
| 20:36.19 | prpplague | ds2: correct |
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| 20:37.28 | ds2 | has anyone tried asking them to create a MMC-IO ? |
| 20:37.43 | prpplague | ds2: no need, they spi |
| 20:37.50 | prpplague | they have spi |
| 20:38.09 | ds2 | so it'll be essentially the same as the atmel dataflash thing? |
| 20:38.32 | prpplague | i am not familiar with "the atmel dataflash thing" so i can not answer |
| 20:39.59 | ds2 | atmel makes this SPI interface flash with the same physical formfactor as a SD/MMC card but doesn't speak the SD/MMC interface |
| 20:40.25 | prpplague | ahh i am not familiar with that |
| 20:40.54 | ds2 | neither did I til I researched the RM9200 chip (was a boot option on the eval board) |
| 20:41.01 | prpplague | but the spi interface on most wifi chipsets is a standard spi connection, however, the actual api to talk to the chipset is often not available |
| 20:41.42 | ds2 | and they are making it more complicated then a simple shift register in front of the CF versions? |
| 20:44.30 | prpplague | ds2: close, but not exactly |
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| 20:44.35 | prpplague | ds2: plenty of small differences |
| 20:44.52 | ds2 | oh bah |
| 20:45.54 | ds2 | prpplague: is the GPIOs on your board 5v tolerant? |
| 20:47.10 | prpplague | no |
| 20:48.06 | prpplague | i love how intel no long has datahseets on the pxa270 and marvell doesn't even list them |
| 20:48.13 | ds2 | hahahahahahha |
| 20:48.28 | ds2 | the PXA docs are under NDA now ;) |
| 20:48.35 | MonMotha | prpplague: that's why you were supposed to download them before Marvell bought the stuff |
| 20:48.45 | MonMotha | yeah, but if you didn't sign the NDA, you can freely distribute |
| 20:49.09 | MonMotha | I pretty much have a policy of avoiding Marvell if at all possible |
| 20:49.19 | ds2 | but there are suppose to be no versions of the PXA w/Marvell branded docs available w/o NDA =) |
| 20:49.24 | MonMotha | simply because they're impossible to work with short of 100ku quantity |
| 20:49.48 | ds2 | MonMontha: completely agree with you on that. someone should put up a blacklist |
| 20:50.06 | ds2 | it'll be an ``editorial'' of course =) |
| 20:50.38 | ds2 | prpplague: do you need the 270 or 255 docs? |
| 20:50.45 | prpplague | MonMotha: any idea where i could dl the pxa270 user manual? |
| 20:51.07 | MonMotha | prpplague: find somebody with a copy - I didn't grab one, though I think I might know somebody who did |
| 20:51.14 | ds2 | one sec |
| 20:51.46 | MonMotha | I have all the strongARM docs if that'll help you :) |
| 20:52.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: naw, i need info on the sdio interface on the pxa270 |
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| 20:52.22 | ds2 | http://pubs.gumstix.com/documents/PXA%20Documentation/PXA270/ |
| 20:52.24 | ds2 | there you go |
| 20:52.35 | ds2 | that's the original free intel stuff |
| 20:52.46 | prpplague | cool deal |
| 20:52.48 | prpplague | ds2: thanks |
| 20:52.52 | ds2 | np |
| 20:56.01 | MonMotha | I always liked Intel as far as documentation went |
| 20:56.13 | MonMotha | their processor docs were very good and they'd give you free hard copies |
| 20:56.13 | prpplague | yea me too |
| 20:56.24 | prpplague | samsung and sharp have a long way to go on their docs |
| 20:56.35 | prpplague | thats kinda why so many people droped sharp's arm products |
| 20:57.40 | MonMotha | Atmel does a good job, too. The NXP docs are decent, but not as complete as Atmel or Intel's |
| 20:57.45 | ds2 | they don't seem to publicize it much (sharp and samsung)... only place I've heard of Sharp before you guys was at ESC and I've never heard of samsung processors outside of the hacker community |
| 20:59.34 | MonMotha | TI's docs are usually decent, though I've not really used their processors much |
| 21:00.20 | ds2 | oh? don't think real info on the omap is available |
| 21:07.49 | MonMotha | it might not be |
| 21:07.55 | MonMotha | I wasn't really referring to their ARM line |
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| 21:10.41 | Exiles | any 40 pin dip style Arm cpu's? |
| 21:11.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:11.29 | ds2 | funny you should ask that.... |
| 21:11.30 | prpplague | soon |
| 21:11.39 | ds2 | prpplague: testing a shill? ;) |
| 21:12.50 | Exiles | can I get Free Samples? |
| 21:13.43 | ds2 | Exiles: do you need a MMU? |
| 21:14.30 | Exiles | I would like to be able to run a basic linux distro, but frommy reading a full mmu isn't actully needed anymore depending on the linux distro you go with. |
| 21:14.56 | ds2 | Oh n/m then... there are baby arms on dip 40's now |
| 21:19.21 | Exiles | biggest thing I would like to have ethrnet |
| 21:19.35 | prpplague | Exiles: send an email to dave123_aml@yahoo.com with your contact info, some background on what you want to do with it |
| 21:19.49 | Exiles | alright |
| 21:20.09 | prpplague | Exiles: 10baseT ethernet acceptable? |
| 21:20.20 | Exiles | more then enough |
| 21:20.39 | ds2 | no GigE? ;) |
| 21:21.15 | ds2 | or USB 2.0 High speed |
| 21:21.34 | Exiles | ethernet is better |
| 21:21.37 | MonMotha | dude! UT2k4 dedicated server on the tiny system! |
| 21:22.14 | ds2 | I am really really tempted to use prpplague's board and drop the gumstix... I see no downside at the moment |
| 21:22.48 | ds2 | esp. Ican't seem to get a reliable CF WiFi on the #@$!@#@ gumstix |
| 21:23.05 | Exiles | I have a Good CF wifi card here |
| 21:23.25 | Exiles | PDA died, but I've got the wifi card I got it |
| 21:23.29 | ds2 | does it work in 3.3V mode? |
| 21:23.47 | ds2 | 2/2 crashes in 3.3V mode |
| 21:24.18 | Exiles | far as I know it's a 3.3v card |
| 21:24.31 | Exiles | Symbol |
| 21:24.37 | ds2 | Oh a spectrum24? |
| 21:24.42 | Exiles | Spectrum24 |
| 21:24.47 | ds2 | is that for sale? =) |
| 21:24.56 | Exiles | 200mw |
| 21:25.09 | Exiles | I doubt I'm ever going to use it again |
| 21:25.43 | ds2 | but are your bronzing it or putting it Lucite ? =) |
| 21:26.34 | Exiles | I tell you these is the best CF wifi card I've ever seen though, as it keeps going and going and going, other cards died after 12-24 hours of use, and this card just keeps going |
| 21:26.45 | Exiles | would rather sell/trade it |
| 21:26.52 | ds2 | Exiles: how much you asking for it? |
| 21:27.32 | Exiles | I paid $30 I think for it + shipping so just make a fair offer, cause meh it's collecting dust |
| 21:28.02 | ds2 | Exiles: what zip are you at? |
| 21:28.06 | Exiles | 97603 |
| 21:37.02 | MonMotha | ds2: isn't the ipaq CF slot 3.3V only? |
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| 21:37.57 | ds2 | MonMotha: no idea... I tried a SanDisk Connect+ and a Linksys WCF11 and they both crashed after about 20seconds of real traffic (streaming MP3, 128K) |
| 21:38.27 | MonMotha | well, I know that my ancient D-Link DCF-660W worked fine on the ipaq CF sleeve |
| 21:38.30 | MonMotha | and IIRC it was 3.3V only |
| 21:38.49 | MonMotha | the CF spec says that all cards should work at both voltages, though we know how well specs are obeyed |
| 21:39.02 | ds2 | well, I can't think of any other reasons why the gumstix won't play nice |
| 21:46.54 | prpplague | interesting |
| 21:47.08 | prpplague | the pxa uses a 16-bit high and low register for the sdio argument |
| 21:47.19 | prpplague | while the s3c24xx series uses a single 32-bit registers |
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| 23:30.48 | joe_bleau | Any cool new (cheap) stuff to hack on? I'm itchy for a new project to play around with. |
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| 23:52.56 | ds2 | figure out the jtag pads on a TVnow ! |