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13:20.37chouimatmorning
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14:02.34chouimatprpplague: hi
14:04.33prpplaguechouimat: greetings canadian earthling
14:08.15chouimatprpplague: add broken somewhere in that greeting ... I feel like I was hit by a train this morning (or maybe I spent the night with a blue whale) ... I will bet on the train
14:08.37prpplaguechouimat: oh?
14:08.42prpplaguechouimat: too much beer?
14:12.37chouimatprpplague: didn't have any since saturday afternoon ...
14:15.24chouimatprpplague: problably lack of sleep because of the thunderstorm last night :)
14:18.47prpplaguechouimat: "lack of sleep because of the thunderstorm" how odd, that usually makes me sleep even better
14:35.56prpplaguecbrake: ping
14:36.05cbrakeprpplague: hi Dave
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14:37.10prpplaguecbrake: whats the latest on your wifi adventure?
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14:45.27cbrakeprpplague: looks like zcomax
14:45.44prpplaguecbrake: lovely
14:45.50cbrakeprpplague: Wi2Wi looks interesting, but we are waiting to see what they say about drivers
14:45.54prpplaguecbrake: still going the wince direction?
14:46.01cbrakeprpplague: they are talking with Marvell, so I'm not hopeful.
14:46.25cbrakeprpplague: Wi2Wi does distribute their modules through semiconductorstore.com
14:46.27prpplaguecbrake: zcomax or wi2wi?
14:46.35cbrakeprpplague: Wi2Wi
14:46.37prpplaguecbrake: ahh
14:46.53prpplaguecbrake: the 8686 driver is available on marvell's web site
14:47.13cbrakeprpplague: hmm
14:47.27cbrakeprpplague: link?
14:47.39prpplaguecbrake: one sec
14:49.17prpplaguehttp://marvell.com/drivers/driverDisplay.do?dId=178&pId=38
14:51.42prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hey hey
14:52.16CosmicPenguinhi
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14:52.48prpplagueCosmicPenguin: whats your experience with PIO vs. DMA transfers?
14:52.58CosmicPenguinPIO slow, DMA fast
14:53.00CosmicPenguinheh
14:53.02prpplagueCosmicPenguin: do you always go with DMA for speed?
14:53.28CosmicPenguinSure - less CPU usage too
14:53.43cbrakeprpplague: interesting.  still no 8385 though ...
14:54.07cbrakeprpplague: Marvell has OLPC category ....
14:54.10prpplagueCosmicPenguin: when doing a new driver, do you normally go directly to dma support, or do you start with pio and move to dma?
14:54.21prpplaguecbrake: yea, 8388 for olpc
14:54.43prpplaguecbrake: rumor has it that the 8686 driver team was completely seperate from the 8385 team
14:54.59prpplaguecbrake: and that the 8686 team was a little more open source friendly/educated
14:55.02cbrakeprpplague: yeah, would not suprise me.
14:55.35prpplaguecbrake: the thing is that the 8385 code is almost identical to the 8686 code, basically the same specs for the api
14:56.32cbrakeprpplague: I guess that is good -- at least the core must be very similiar
14:57.11prpplaguecbrake: yea, i suspect that the 8686 is the same core as the 8385, just re-worked for very low power
15:10.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: when doing a new driver, do you normally go directly to dma support, or do you start with pio and move to dma?
15:11.13CosmicPenguindepends on the maturity of the hardware I guess
15:11.29CosmicPenguinand how DMA friendly it is
15:11.51CosmicPenguinif the interface is nice (ie, - feed me a scatter-gather list and get out of my way), then go DMA
15:12.03CosmicPenguinif its a bit of a bitch, then get everything else working with PIO and then switch over
15:12.58prpplagueCosmicPenguin: thats what i thought
15:13.08prpplagueCosmicPenguin: thanks
15:25.40prpplaguethis is too weird, - http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/09/pennsylvania.shutdown.ap/index.html
15:26.07prpplaguei dreamed about this happening last night, and i don't recall even seeing something about this until this morning
15:26.44prpplaguei must have seen something on the news and didn't realize it
15:29.23CosmicPenguinyou dream about budget shortfalls in other states?
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16:12.05prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe,  yea
16:12.18prpplagueCosmicPenguin: it was a weird dream
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16:52.06prpplagueho ho hum
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18:28.38prpplaguedamit i broke something!
18:28.49prpplaguei hate it when that happens
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18:43.52ds2iPhone is AFU HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
18:44.08Exilesyawn
18:44.13Exilesafu?
18:44.24ds2All F* Up
18:44.35ds2apparently, you can drop right into the bootloader
18:44.40ExilesLOL
18:44.40ds2so much for "closed" platform
18:44.44Exilesnice
18:45.25ds2http://hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1408
18:45.27ExilesSo, when do we see a Linux port to it?
18:45.53ds2this is on top of other configuration/implementation issues on the MacOS ;)
18:57.32Exilespersonally, I'm more intrested in the OpenMoko Phone
18:57.45Exileshttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
18:57.55ds2I prefer to myPhone guys instead
18:58.07ds2OpenMoko lacks WiFi and USB host
18:58.23ds2so until then, I'll stick with my Treo ;)
19:00.34prpplagueds2: "myPhone" guys?
19:02.15ds2prpplague: yeah... a group working on building their own phone
19:02.20ds2centered around a gumstix
19:03.08prpplagueahh
19:03.45ds2it looks like a bunch of Silicon Valley guys all working it since they are using a local mechanical resource (a "shop" that people join as members to gain access to it)
19:04.06Exileshmmmm
19:04.07ds2I'm more interested in their progress, but something loosely modeled after their stuff shouldn't be bad
19:04.19ds2they can be "proto0" and work out the bugs
19:04.36Exilesan open source hackable phone sounds good to me
19:07.04ds2not much of a web site but this is what they have:
19:07.07ds2http://hbmobile.org/
19:07.27ds2wish they post their meeting dates sooner; always find out their meetings after it happens
19:08.09Exilesyour in the area I assume?
19:08.15ds2yeah
19:08.34ExilesI'm a Long drive from the north
19:09.02ds2just wanted to go once and see what kind of people are working on it
19:27.07ExilesSweet
19:27.18Exilesmy 500Gig HDD Shipped today
19:27.29ds2500G microdrive? ;)
19:27.32Exilesso Wensday I'll be installing it
19:27.40Exiles3.5in
19:28.03ExilesI got a the quietest HDD I could find
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