| 00:00.05 | joe_bleau | I'm looking for a small number (100-500) of FCC qual'd, end product listed, Bluetooth modules to integrate into some of our hardware...does anyone have suggestions? |
| 00:07.07 | ds2 | can't you use a preq'ed module/antenna combo? |
| 00:08.12 | joe_bleau | That's what I'd like, yes. Did I typo my request? |
| 00:09.09 | joe_bleau | Or maybe I've just got the lingo wrong. |
| 00:09.31 | joe_bleau | I'd like to connect power, ground, and TX/RX to my UART. |
| 00:09.47 | ds2 | Oh you want to find such a module |
| 00:09.50 | joe_bleau | I don't want to have to run the product through any formal testing. |
| 00:09.59 | ds2 | thought you wanted a custom antenna, etc |
| 00:10.16 | ds2 | what about the sparkfun stuff w/o the mod'ed antenna? |
| 00:10.26 | joe_bleau | I've been messing with the BlueSMIRFs from Sparkfun, but I'm not happy with the support. |
| 00:10.49 | joe_bleau | It's unclear to me that the devices are a FCC qualified end-product. |
| 00:11.01 | joe_bleau | (No FCC ID number, etc.) |
| 00:11.37 | ds2 | this seem to suggest they are - |
| 00:11.44 | ds2 | Because we have changed the antenna configuration on the Bluetooth module, the FCC certification is no longer valid. But the module is completely suitable and legal for all home, hobby, and research applications. |
| 00:11.55 | ds2 | that's the note from the mod'ed version with the SMA connector |
| 00:12.18 | joe_bleau | I've been using the modules with the integral antenna. |
| 00:12.45 | ds2 | sparkfun themselves weren't too happy with the blueradio folks either |
| 00:13.12 | joe_bleau | Here's what Level1 answered my FCC qual question with: "We are not sure no the status at the moment, however we have done testing of our own and it should work fine." |
| 00:13.24 | joe_bleau | Not exactly confidence inspiring, no? |
| 00:13.45 | ds2 | heh |
| 00:14.02 | ds2 | wonder if they are willing to reimburse any FCC fines? ;) |
| 00:14.52 | joe_bleau | They're probably fine with the 'home, hobby, and research' bit, but I'm wanting to sell a few. |
| 00:15.29 | ds2 | *nod* and the fines are rather steep |
| 00:17.30 | joe_bleau | The module I've been messing with doesn't even the blueradios recommended reset supervisor on it. |
| 00:17.58 | ds2 | what about getting a full blown RS-232 to bluetooth module? |
| 00:18.07 | ds2 | more expensive but I think those are certified |
| 00:18.45 | ds2 | like this guy: |
| 00:18.48 | ds2 | http://serialio.com/products/adaptors/BlueSnapStd.php |
| 00:21.56 | joe_bleau | Cost isn't as important as size, within reason. I'd say anything less than $100 wouldn't be out of line. |
| 00:30.02 | ds2 | heh.. the bluesnap just squeaks in under your budget at 99.95 ;) |
| 00:30.34 | ds2 | correction, 89.95 |
| 00:39.01 | joe_bleau | Yep, and I'm sure there's a quantity discount. I'll have to ask about the FCC stuff and maybe try one. Looks like it could be too large to fit easily. |
| 00:40.47 | joe_bleau | I would really prefer one of the little modules, complete with antenna. We can spin a small board to mount it in our product. |
| 00:43.10 | joe_bleau | This is what I'd like, but with clear FCC qual: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=149 |
| 00:48.59 | ds2 | found some modules that are FCC approved; donno where you'd buy them |
| 00:49.11 | ds2 | http://www.bluegiga.com |
| 00:49.17 | ds2 | they claim FCC approved |
| 00:50.17 | ds2 | correctly, semiconductorstore has them |
| 00:50.21 | ds2 | correction |
| 00:50.37 | joe_bleau | Yep, I've got that up in my browser at work. Have you used 'em before? |
| 00:51.21 | ds2 | no, but I talked to them at one of the trade shows |
| 00:51.52 | ds2 | bluegiga didn't seem very small volume friendly though |
| 00:52.10 | joe_bleau | Ouch. Not surprising...I run into that a lot. |
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| 12:16.29 | sunrunner20 | hey |
| 12:16.41 | sunrunner20 | what that website that does smalltime stuff |
| 12:16.44 | sunrunner20 | supplies etc |
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| 12:18.35 | sunrunner20 | jbevren |
| 12:18.59 | sunrunner20 | i think you got a camera working there |
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| 13:22.29 | prpplague | does the XO have a camera? |
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| 13:26.08 | prpplague | sjhill: hey |
| 13:26.21 | sjhill | prpplague: hello |
| 13:26.35 | prpplague | sjhill: you doing any gpe builds with buildroot? |
| 13:26.48 | sjhill | gpe? |
| 13:26.52 | prpplague | sjhill: or any general x builds |
| 13:27.13 | sjhill | i do nothing with x right now |
| 13:27.15 | prpplague | sjhill: gpe==x windows PIMS style apps |
| 13:27.19 | sjhill | nope |
| 13:27.20 | prpplague | sjhill: ahh |
| 13:27.47 | prpplague | sjhill: our next handheld is going to be more pda like |
| 13:28.21 | sjhill | so you need me to contract to your company, don't you |
| 13:28.25 | sjhill | say yes |
| 13:28.26 | sjhill | :) |
| 13:28.31 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:28.43 | prpplague | sjhill: funny, thats like the 4th offer this morning |
| 13:29.15 | prpplague | sjhill: i'd have a hard time justifing my job if we contracted out to get the work done, hehe |
| 13:29.41 | sjhill | :P |
| 13:31.02 | Crofton | prpplague, you need to work out OE |
| 13:31.05 | sjhill | i hope buildroot is calmed down for a bit |
| 13:31.32 | sjhill | purl: fishslap Crofton |
| 13:31.33 | purl | ACTION slaps Crofton up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 13:32.19 | prpplague | sjhill: yea me too, i've had alot of build issues in the last month |
| 13:32.31 | prpplague | Crofton: its on my schedule to give it a try again |
| 13:32.40 | prpplague | Crofton: not confident though |
| 13:32.47 | Crofton | they have worked through many of the pda issues already |
| 13:33.00 | prpplague | Crofton: OE is just too difficult maintain and customize |
| 13:37.09 | steliosk | prpplague : You are not the only company that thinks that... :( |
| 13:37.51 | prpplague | steliosk: yea |
| 13:38.16 | prpplague | i'm gonna give OE another try for this new handheld, but i serious doubt it will pass the engineering review |
| 13:40.24 | steliosk | my 2 euro cents advice.... get a "local version" of OE going using whatever SCM you use in the company and try to sync with OE between your releases |
| 13:41.06 | steliosk | trying to keep up with .dev (in terms of Q&A, bus etc) is futile |
| 13:41.16 | steliosk | s/bus/bugs |
| 13:41.57 | prpplague | steliosk: yea |
| 13:42.12 | prpplague | steliosk: the same exists to some extend to buildroot |
| 13:42.44 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:42.50 | prpplague | steliosk: last time i tried OE it was a nightmare to get running with redhat/fedora |
| 13:43.17 | steliosk | prpplague : i know, we are suing both (for different projects) but OE we think its has better "value per time spend on it" |
| 13:43.37 | chouimat | prpplague: I thought the nightmare was fedora ;) |
| 13:43.57 | steliosk | prpplague : we use debian for the compile cluster and ubuntu on the desktops |
| 13:44.26 | prpplague | steliosk: "we are suing both" ? |
| 13:44.44 | steliosk | prpplague : heh |
| 13:44.54 | Crofton | OE works fine fith FC these days |
| 13:44.56 | prpplague | steliosk: oh you mean using? |
| 13:44.58 | steliosk | prpplague : yeah we are an embedded law firm :) |
| 13:45.11 | steliosk | prpplague : yes "using" fat fingers |
| 13:45.22 | Crofton | I think they have fixed the qemu issue I work around by not building binary locale stuff |
| 13:45.35 | steliosk | Crofton : hi ! back from vecations ? |
| 13:45.40 | Crofton | yeah |
| 13:45.56 | Crofton | I've got my ml403, but haven't had time to play with it |
| 13:46.02 | prpplague | Crofton: so the initial bringup of the OE environment isn't difficult on Fedora anymore? |
| 13:46.13 | Crofton | shouldn't be |
| 13:46.20 | steliosk | Crofton : good things don't last long :) |
| 13:46.20 | Crofton | let me know if you have problems |
| 13:47.06 | prpplague | Crofton: well i won;t be working on it for another 30-60 days |
| 13:47.14 | prpplague | Crofton: but i'll make a note of it |
| 13:47.27 | steliosk | Crofton : btw my OE presentation on Power.org dev conference is on Sept 25th |
| 13:47.34 | Crofton | cool |
| 13:47.57 | steliosk | Crofton : will probably put some fpga/powerpc stuff in |
| 13:48.06 | Crofton | let me know what you need for it |
| 13:48.18 | Crofton | awesome |
| 13:48.45 | steliosk | now i need to get a ticket or will have to swim from Greece to Texas |
| 13:49.09 | Crofton | heh |
| 13:49.17 | prpplague | steliosk: to texas? |
| 13:49.53 | prpplague | steliosk: nm |
| 13:50.04 | steliosk | http://www.power.org/devcon/07 |
| 14:00.31 | prpplague | probably due to the fact that IBM's has alot of ppc devr's in austin |
| 14:27.50 | steliosk | prpplague : yes probably |
| 14:33.48 | chouimat | prpplague: LOL "leather-clad individuals can be seen walking their slaves in public parks" <--- from http://www.nationstates.net/mozgwar |
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| 15:03.29 | mistik1 | morning gents |
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| 15:53.02 | prpplague | mistik1: greetings |
| 15:53.18 | mistik1 | hola |
| 15:55.07 | chouimat | http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/18/3d-mailbox-worst-app-ever/ |
| 15:59.47 | mistik1 | Wow, what a sad, sad world |
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| 16:09.04 | mistik1 | prpplague: get my mail? |
| 16:09.51 | prpplague | mistik1: yep, thanks |
| 16:10.16 | mistik1 | cool |
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| 16:11.00 | mistik1 | prpplague: sometimes I wonder if this Tinkerer in me will never just go away ;) |
| 16:25.52 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 16:27.59 | prpplague | mistik1: i know the feeling |
| 16:29.11 | g1powermac | that always feels good :-) |
| 16:35.52 | mistik1 | Its the simple rewards that make life good ;-) |
| 16:58.28 | g1powermac | man, it feels good to run debian again |
| 16:58.40 | g1powermac | its been so long since I had a debian system working |
| 17:05.49 | agaffney | chouimat: ugh, I want my lost brain cells back |
| 17:08.55 | chouimat | agaffney: hehe :) |
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| 17:26.11 | Exiles | http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/07/19/1551242.shtml BOOO |
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| 17:32.38 | mistik1 | agaffney: Are you Andrew of GLI? |
| 17:53.22 | ds2 | anyone encountered a MosArt MA8502? |
| 17:59.34 | agaffney | mistik1: yes, unfortunately :P |
| 17:59.56 | agaffney | I hate the current state of it, and would like it to just go away |
| 18:00.54 | mistik1 | agaffney: I think I agree with you |
| 18:01.09 | chouimat | gli? |
| 18:01.44 | mistik1 | GLI never really got my attention at all, matter of fact I started doing something similar to your quickstart before I ever heard of either |
| 18:01.50 | mistik1 | chouimat: Gentoo Linux Installer |
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| 18:02.13 | chouimat | mistik1: ok ... never used it ... I'm my gentoo installer :) |
| 18:02.34 | mistik1 | haha |
| 18:03.26 | agaffney | chouimat: I'm the primary dev on the GLI, but I never use it myself :P |
| 18:03.40 | agaffney | I started a non-official sister project to GLI that I like a lot better |
| 18:03.44 | agaffney | much more like RH's kickstart |
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| 18:03.58 | agaffney | http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/quickstart.php |
| 18:04.15 | mistik1 | I just checked it out, cant wait to read what you're doing there |
| 18:04.27 | agaffney | I haven't really done anything on it in a while |
| 18:04.30 | agaffney | I'll get back to it eventually |
| 18:04.35 | agaffney | although, it's pretty capable right now |
| 18:04.44 | agaffney | my attention shifted to fixing up catalyst's netboot generation support |
| 18:06.05 | mistik1 | Catalyst would probably take care of most of the OS setup I do with gentoo if it were only understandable by normal humans |
| 18:07.07 | mistik1 | Maybe i've just nor read a doc written by the right person though |
| 18:07.27 | mistik1 | *not |
| 18:07.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 18:08.07 | agaffney | mistik1: yes, catalyst has quite a learning curve |
| 18:08.34 | agaffney | I have a pretty thorough understanding of it, since I do the x86 release and I've been hacking on it for a while |
| 18:08.58 | agaffney | I think the only person who knows more about catalyst than me at this point is wolf31o2, the current maintainer |
| 18:09.18 | agaffney | but his python knowledge is weak, so I've actually got more knowledge of the python part of it than he does |
| 18:09.43 | mistik1 | agaffney: I found it so difficult to grasp in the time I had to get my project out that I just ended up writing a script to get the job done |
| 18:10.18 | agaffney | yeah, a lot of people make the mistake of assuming they can learn catalyst and get a build done in a week without ever having touched it before |
| 18:11.34 | mistik1 | I had 2 weeks to get a proof of concept OS togather to show the bosses |
| 18:12.40 | agaffney | there is a mailing list for catalyst |
| 18:12.50 | agaffney | and we're generally pretty helpful |
| 18:13.32 | mistik1 | Oh I plan to learn what I can of it when I get the time, I just did not have time back in April |
| 18:14.10 | mistik1 | They were breathing down my neck and I wanted that bonus ;-) |
| 18:14.15 | agaffney | heh |
| 18:14.24 | agaffney | what were you trying to do with it? |
| 18:15.13 | chouimat | agaffney: I just finished installing sabayon BE on a friend computer and they seems to use anaconda (the redhat installer iirc) |
| 18:15.31 | mistik1 | Well I still cant talk about exactly what the OS had to do, but it had to be linux based and boot into a GUI environment very very fast |
| 18:15.51 | mistik1 | less than 10 seconds fast |
| 18:15.59 | agaffney | chouimat: yeah, sabayon used to use my installer, but I basically told that guy (lxnay) to go fuck himself |
| 18:16.01 | mistik1 | on x86 hardware |
| 18:16.15 | chouimat | agaffney: haha |
| 18:16.15 | agaffney | because he's an annoying, demanding, manipulative prick |
| 18:16.24 | agaffney | most of gentoo has told him to fuck off |
| 18:17.01 | chouimat | agaffney: I'm currently thinking about using some of his stuff for a little project we have here ... or maybe I will go the BSD road again |
| 18:17.32 | agaffney | he would make custom modifications to my code without actually understanding what it did, and then blame me when it broke |
| 18:17.39 | agaffney | even though the bugs didn't show up on official media |
| 18:18.02 | agaffney | so then he would tell his users to file bugs and lie |
| 18:18.07 | agaffney | saying they were using the official installer |
| 18:18.25 | mistik1 | prpplague: ?? |
| 18:18.45 | chouimat | agaffney: I looked at his modifications and they are ugly ... |
| 18:18.49 | agaffney | mistik1: so...were you just trying to build stages or something? |
| 18:19.01 | agaffney | chouimat: yeah, I haven't seen what he's done with anaconda |
| 18:19.08 | agaffney | because I frankly don't give a flying fsck :P |
| 18:19.18 | agaffney | that guy can burn in hell for all I care |
| 18:19.26 | chouimat | agaffney: he did a Xandros to it ;) |
| 18:19.28 | agaffney | I've had enough of him |
| 18:19.34 | mistik1 | agaffney: I suppose one could call it a final stage ;) |
| 18:20.26 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/M5900 |
| 18:20.27 | agaffney | so you were just doing a stage4 build? |
| 18:20.38 | mistik1 | yea |
| 18:21.22 | agaffney | that's all I was asking about :) |
| 18:21.37 | ds2 | prpplague: how big is it? |
| 18:21.43 | prpplague | agaffney: lets keep the language down, i don't want #edev to get blocked |
| 18:21.46 | mistik1 | hehe |
| 18:21.58 | agaffney | prpplague: sorry, that guy just really gets me pissed off |
| 18:22.04 | agaffney | and it takes a *lot* to piss me off |
| 18:22.07 | prpplague | ds2: physical size, ramdisk size, sdram size? |
| 18:22.14 | ds2 | prpplague: physical size and weight |
| 18:22.35 | prpplague | ds2: hmm good question |
| 18:23.16 | ds2 | the hints suggest it is around 15"x4" with an unknown thickness and weight? |
| 18:24.00 | ds2 | found the datasheet with the dimensions |
| 18:24.15 | prpplague | 8.875" x 3.5" x 2.25" at 16oz |
| 18:24.36 | agaffney | $795 and up |
| 18:24.41 | ds2 | a bit fat but a nice starting point to make a linux based truely universal remote |
| 18:24.46 | agaffney | too expensive to play with :P |
| 18:25.20 | ds2 | they are small enough that it may show up in a fleamarket ;) |
| 18:25.32 | agaffney | after falling off the back of a truck? :P |
| 18:25.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:25.51 | prpplague | agaffney: hehe, and we are the cheapest on the market |
| 18:26.09 | ds2 | sure or at the request of an owner to his employee(s) to quickly liquidate his equipment |
| 18:27.35 | prpplague | ds2: the main cost is the barcode scanner of course |
| 18:28.14 | ds2 | prpplauge: don't suppose they sell "dev" versions w/o the scanner? =) |
| 18:28.35 | prpplague | ds2: we've discussed it |
| 18:29.04 | ds2 | I think a truely programable, universal remote would be a very nifty thing to have |
| 18:29.29 | agaffney | but can it run tuxracer? |
| 18:29.30 | ds2 | X10 used to make one and that was limited in how many buttons you can program/teach |
| 18:29.31 | prpplague | ds2: sony sells a linux based one |
| 18:29.37 | ds2 | prplague: a remote? |
| 18:31.02 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2573050274.html |
| 18:31.31 | ds2 | $700!!?!!!!!!!? |
| 18:31.50 | agaffney | nobody ever said Sony was intelligent |
| 18:33.06 | mistik1 | ds2: would go nice with that $10,000 TV |
| 18:33.28 | ds2 | $10,000 for a TV? |
| 18:33.48 | ds2 | what's next... a $2,000 burger to go with? prehaps a $500 soft drink |
| 18:33.59 | mistik1 | hehe |
| 18:34.14 | ds2 | <--- cannot see spending that much money on a tv |
| 18:34.21 | mistik1 | nor can I |
| 18:34.25 | ds2 | tv just is NOT that interesting |
| 18:34.32 | prpplague | <ds2> what's next... a $2,000 burger to go with? prehaps a $500 soft drink |
| 18:34.38 | prpplague | or a $2 hooker? |
| 18:35.30 | ds2 | this ain't vegas... the $2 hooker probally has $2,000 worth of state taxes and fees associated with it ;) |
| 18:35.31 | agaffney | I've never spent more than ~$150 on a TV |
| 18:35.45 | agaffney | and I've got a half-decent Sanyo 24" flat-screen CRT |
| 18:36.06 | ds2 | don't matter... I expect TV prices to plummet in the next 12 months or so |
| 18:36.15 | ds2 | along with all the other NTSC gear ;) |
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| 18:44.41 | ds2 | Exiles: what do you plan to watch on it? ;) |
| 18:48.33 | mistik1 | agaffney: I'd like to officially say, Thank You for quickstart. |
| 18:49.09 | agaffney | heh |
| 18:49.35 | mistik1 | Just here browsing the source |
| 18:49.44 | mistik1 | KISS |
| 18:49.48 | mistik1 | what a pleasure |
| 18:50.11 | agaffney | well, the goal was to make it usable in a netboot image |
| 18:50.16 | agaffney | so, busybox ash |
| 18:50.26 | agaffney | which limits my options a bit |
| 18:50.39 | agaffney | but I'm happy with the way it's turning out |
| 18:51.40 | mistik1 | The scripts i wrote did not take into account a netboot option, so I just went full bash |
| 18:51.54 | mistik1 | I like what you have going on here though |
| 18:52.17 | agaffney | at this point, it does pretty much everything Kickstart does with a bit more flexibility |
| 18:52.36 | Exiles | my XBOX and downloaded TV shows :) |
| 18:55.59 | mistik1 | agaffney: I was starting to implement dialog, Could that fit into this model? |
| 18:56.16 | agaffney | well, quickstart is meant to be non-interactive |
| 18:56.22 | agaffney | but yes |
| 18:57.10 | mistik1 | Well in non-interactive mode there would be no dialog of course ;) |
| 18:57.19 | agaffney | I could always add an interactive mode that uses dialog |
| 18:57.36 | agaffney | but I can't see much benefit |
| 18:57.45 | agaffney | as you'd still have to configure most of it beforehand |
| 18:58.46 | mistik1 | true |
| 19:00.39 | ds2 | quilt is getting to be quite nice |
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| 19:24.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: pong |
| 19:30.25 | CosmicPenguin | Have I mentioned that I hate computers? |
| 19:33.05 | CosmicPenguin | teh are teh stuck |
| 19:40.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the sd socket on the xo |
| 19:40.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when you have a sd card inserted, how much of the card is exposed? |
| 19:44.40 | CosmicPenguin | none of it |
| 19:48.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, how do you remove the card? |
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