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| 17:47.07 | T0mW | GPSFan: I've been moving a lot of stuff around |
| 17:59.36 | mzmaker05_ | hi.. |
| 17:59.46 | T0mW | hello |
| 18:00.03 | mzmaker05_ | what are u up to? |
| 18:00.15 | T0mW | building an OE project, as usual |
| 18:00.23 | mzmaker05_ | nice |
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| 18:00.44 | mzmaker05_ | what are u building? |
| 18:00.57 | T0mW | target O/S for the Zipit |
| 18:01.32 | T0mW | http://www.openzipit.org/Development/OpenZipit/OeZipitDistro/ |
| 18:02.01 | T0mW | just going over it to make sure all the peices are working |
| 18:03.52 | mzmaker05_ | I see |
| 18:04.13 | mzmaker05_ | so what are u going to use it for? |
| 18:06.37 | T0mW | just messing with OE and this little WiFi device, extending my skillset |
| 18:08.27 | T0mW | mzmaker05_: what are you up to? |
| 18:08.43 | g1powermac | T0mW, interesting piece of hardware |
| 18:09.05 | mzmaker05_ | well I have to type 8 pages |
| 18:09.18 | mzmaker05_ | for a class |
| 18:09.27 | mzmaker05_ | and I dont feel like em on the Zipit. The Zipit does come with Linux pre-installed, but the end-user has been locked out of the unit! :-( Towards this end, many people having it hehestart |
| 18:09.55 | mzmaker05_ | wdf |
| 18:09.59 | mzmaker05_ | I didnt type that |
| 18:10.23 | mzmaker05_ | anyway I got 8 pages to type and I dont feel like starting |
| 18:10.24 | mzmaker05_ | yet |
| 18:10.27 | mzmaker05_ | hehe |
| 18:10.37 | mzmaker05_ | Im trying to find a good project too |
| 18:10.50 | g1powermac | T0mW, how hard is it to get a few linux on the zipit? |
| 18:10.56 | g1powermac | s/few/full |
| 18:11.49 | T0mW | g1powermac: using the MMC card, you have a lot of room. HOWEVER, there is no GUI. That tiny 320x240 screen is pretty useless with a pointing device. |
| 18:11.49 | mzmaker05_ | I got the radioshack lab, and Ive been having some fun w it but is too basic |
| 18:12.13 | T0mW | g1powermac: I'm in the process of putting gcc + gdb on it now. |
| 18:12.20 | g1powermac | nice |
| 18:12.35 | T0mW | perl is already there, heh, runs kinda slow, but it does run |
| 18:12.35 | g1powermac | personally, I'd like one to run links on and maybe irssi-text |
| 18:12.46 | T0mW | got both on there now |
| 18:12.51 | g1powermac | nice |
| 18:13.04 | T0mW | pine, openvpn, and sshd |
| 18:13.17 | g1powermac | so do you need the addon card to get a full linux on it? |
| 18:13.21 | T0mW | yes |
| 18:13.33 | mzmaker05_ | hey tomw check this out |
| 18:13.34 | mzmaker05_ | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://karosium.com/NewFiles/mobo.JPG&imgrefurl=http://karosium.com/index.php%3F/archives/P2.html&h=600&w=800&sz=91&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=7LWAtOmuu_A-3M:&tbnh=107&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgcc%2Bzipit%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:en-US:official%26sa%3DN |
| 18:13.47 | g1powermac | are you selling that board? |
| 18:14.03 | T0mW | you need the MMC card mod, the addon card just puts the RS232 + MMC mods into a convenient package. there is info on the net to do your own mods. |
| 18:14.19 | T0mW | g1powermac: yes |
| 18:14.27 | g1powermac | how much? |
| 18:14.51 | T0mW | http://www.openzipit.org/Addon_Board/PurchaseBoard/ |
| 18:15.37 | T0mW | g1powermac: if you are handy with soldering SMD stuff, you can just order the board and install it yourself. |
| 18:16.07 | T0mW | g1powermac: yeah, I use a microscope to do that job. |
| 18:16.14 | g1powermac | oh |
| 18:16.28 | g1powermac | thats a bit beyond what I've done |
| 18:16.29 | T0mW | the zipit components are tiny and my eyes are not that sharp |
| 18:17.54 | g1powermac | how small? like 0.5mm pitch stuff? |
| 18:19.06 | T0mW | heh, somewhat smaller. I've looked to see if I could order resistors the size that is in the zipit, I haven't found a package that small. The resistors are maybe 1.2mm in length |
| 18:19.54 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 18:20.03 | T0mW | mzmaker05_: yeah, I've SOX and MadPlay on it. |
| 18:20.20 | g1powermac | this hack would be a bit more useful than the juicebox ones I was going to do |
| 18:20.27 | mzmaker05_ | I just saw a color zipit |
| 18:20.35 | mzmaker05_ | is that right? im checkin ebay |
| 18:20.41 | T0mW | naw, don't exist |
| 18:20.51 | mzmaker05_ | hmm |
| 18:21.05 | T0mW | the stock unit LCD is monochrome |
| 18:21.18 | T0mW | and, it is a custom part |
| 18:21.55 | mzmaker05_ | wow they run very cheap |
| 18:22.04 | g1powermac | yea |
| 18:22.11 | g1powermac | $9 and $9 for shipping |
| 18:22.17 | T0mW | someone just put 31 of them up for sale the other day |
| 18:22.56 | mzmaker05_ | it would be cool to have them w colors |
| 18:23.16 | T0mW | I think that they may bid higher as there have been only a few at a time available. It looks like someone got a box of them someplace and is dumping them. |
| 18:23.29 | g1powermac | yea |
| 18:23.55 | T0mW | the main problem with the zipit is the low quality LCD. It is usable but a cheap display with only fair contrast |
| 18:24.04 | mzmaker05_ | yes |
| 18:24.35 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 18:24.42 | g1powermac | the wiring doesnt seem so bad |
| 18:25.17 | g1powermac | so basically, all that needs to be done is buy your addon board, your cable (cause I hate making cables ;-), and just solder on the wires. . . |
| 18:25.30 | T0mW | otherwise, if you want a cheap, portable device to do POP3, IMAP, IRC, VPN and SSH over wifi, and, mess with linux, it is good for that. |
| 18:25.38 | g1powermac | yea |
| 18:25.52 | mzmaker05_ | Im definitely getting one |
| 18:26.01 | T0mW | g1powermac: the cable is simple to build, cheaper for you to do it, only four wires to solder. |
| 18:26.30 | g1powermac | T0mW, maybe, but I doubt I'll have enough time to do just the main hack |
| 18:26.41 | T0mW | nod |
| 18:26.59 | g1powermac | this could be kinda neat to do custom apps on too |
| 18:27.03 | g1powermac | with that wifi connection |
| 18:27.06 | g1powermac | and sd card |
| 18:28.26 | T0mW | g1powermac: as far as it goes, you only need the cable to install the kernel into Flash just once. The kernel really isn't going to change. If you send me the zipit to have the board installed, and send along a microSD card, I will install the kernel into Flash, then install the OpenZipitDistro onto your MMC card for you. |
| 18:28.35 | Exiles | wifi is always useful |
| 18:28.49 | Exiles | how much is sais zipit device? |
| 18:28.52 | T0mW | g1powermac: so, you don't need the cable unless you want to change the bootsplash screen or kernel |
| 18:29.08 | g1powermac | T0mW, hehe, but thats the fun part! :-) |
| 18:29.24 | T0mW | Exiles: usually you can pick up a zipit for about $40..$55 on ebay |
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| 18:30.00 | g1powermac | now whats the thing with the backlight? |
| 18:30.03 | Exiles | sounds like they need to drop another $35 or so |
| 18:30.24 | g1powermac | you'd have to install your own backlight? |
| 18:31.58 | mzmaker05_ | haha |
| 18:32.57 | T0mW | g1powermac: I did one backlight mod, I was not thrilled with the results. Yes, you can use it at night, but, it is pretty useless in the daylight. You have to remove the reflector from the back of the LCD and it loses its daytime contrast. |
| 18:33.29 | T0mW | like I said, the LCD is low quality (poor contrast). |
| 18:33.37 | g1powermac | k |
| 18:33.54 | T0mW | some people want to have a zipit with a backlight, so, I put the power supply on the board. |
| 18:34.48 | T0mW | personally, I think that adding a tiny "grain of wheat" incandesant bulb to the lid would be more usefull. |
| 18:34.55 | Exiles | can I get one without an LCD |
| 18:35.40 | g1powermac | we could prolly use one of those handhelds that his company sells. . . |
| 18:36.12 | T0mW | Exiles: probably, get on the Yahoo zipit-wireless mailing list and ask. I'm sure you will find someone who got screwed^H^H^H^H^H^H hosed on eBay and got a unit with a broken LCD. OR, broke their LCD doing the LCD mod. |
| 18:36.27 | T0mW | the LCD panel glass is definately not tempered glass! |
| 18:36.45 | Exiles | as I'm willing to use a plan text LCD |
| 18:36.56 | T0mW | plan? |
| 18:37.05 | Exiles | plain* |
| 18:37.10 | T0mW | oh |
| 18:37.23 | Exiles | one I hwave here |
| 18:37.47 | Exiles | hacked onto it, lol |
| 18:37.49 | g1powermac | hmm, those handhelds are definitely not cheap |
| 18:38.00 | g1powermac | but we need an inventory solution soon |
| 18:38.39 | Exiles | g1, maybe the Eee would work for inventory, as would runs the software you need too. |
| 18:38.58 | g1powermac | Exiles, thats not a bad idea |
| 18:39.07 | g1powermac | except it isn't handheld :-) |
| 18:39.23 | Exiles | you didn't specify handheld |
| 18:39.29 | T0mW | g1powermac: put it on a belt? |
| 18:39.49 | T0mW | g1powermac: strap on your barcode reader and take inventory, heh. |
| 18:39.50 | g1powermac | though if there is a bluetooth barcode scanner out there. . .that might be an option |
| 18:39.54 | g1powermac | heheh |
| 18:40.10 | T0mW | g1powermac: hey, think of the batteries you could carry! |
| 18:40.18 | g1powermac | true, true |
| 18:41.23 | g1powermac | yes, there is bluetooth scanners. . . |
| 18:41.26 | g1powermac | interesting |
| 18:41.37 | g1powermac | I could just use my powerbook |
| 18:42.47 | g1powermac | http://cgi.ebay.com/Cordless-BarCode-Reader-Bar-Code-Scanner-Wireless-USB_W0QQitemZ160143277626QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14929QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 18:47.57 | mzmaker05_ | I dunno but it looks pricey |
| 18:51.28 | g1powermac | biggest issue with the inventory stuff is integrating any solution with the very proprietary point of sale system |
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