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| 01:32.37 | jbevren | !quote scox |
| 01:40.36 | jbevren | ~quote scox |
| 01:40.42 | jbevren | wrong char lol |
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| 01:52.04 | T0mW | ~quote scox |
| 01:52.15 | T0mW | heh |
| 01:54.42 | jbevren | shame judgement came after closing |
| 01:54.51 | jbevren | I'd love to see the avalanche |
| 01:55.18 | jbevren | that said, I'd really like to see the put option list on scox |
| 01:55.38 | ds2 | hehe |
| 01:56.19 | ds2 | hey T0mW? |
| 02:05.19 | T0mW | ds2: Just heard that they lost |
| 02:06.22 | T0mW | jbevren: lol, yeah, I want to see the death of SCOX on Monday. What do they have now that is an asset? Some office furniture and a trademark ? |
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| 02:12.04 | ds2 | T0mW: any chance you can be convinced to sell the zipit board w/o going through paypal |
| 02:12.24 | T0mW | ds2: yeah, send me a money order |
| 02:12.44 | ds2 | Oh, you will accept that.. cool |
| 02:13.30 | ds2 | is the EL film the only backlight solution for the zipit's? |
| 02:13.33 | T0mW | yeah, just that paypal is the easiest to do via the web. I won't accept a personal check though, too much trouble to see if they clear / are good. |
| 02:13.41 | ds2 | MO' |
| 02:13.44 | ds2 | s are no problem with me |
| 02:13.50 | ds2 | safer for me actually ;) |
| 02:14.45 | T0mW | ds2: that is it. I don't reccomend that people do the backlight mod unless they really need it. The LCD is pretty useless in Daylight (bright roomlight too) after you do that mod. |
| 02:15.02 | ds2 | oh |
| 02:15.39 | ds2 | don't like the life time of EL's anyways. if it was SMD LEDs, I'd be more inclined to try |
| 02:15.53 | T0mW | ds2: yeah, you have to peel off the reflector film on the back of the LCD to put the EL behind it, it pretty much destroys any reflective properties of the display. |
| 02:16.41 | ds2 | T0mW: cool... the board is all I need to reflash right? no need to find JTAG, etc? |
| 02:18.20 | T0mW | ds2: correct. The board gives you the 5wire mod and an MMC (microSD) card slot. The CPU goes into a blind loader mode when you short DBG to GND. It then blindly accepts 2048 bytes sent via the serial port and then will execute them when the last byte comes in. |
| 02:18.54 | T0mW | ds2: you only need 3 wires to reprogram the unit, but, having an RS232 console is handy. |
| 02:19.07 | ds2 | I see |
| 02:19.24 | ds2 | wait.. microSD? as in Transflash or RS-MMC like the N770? |
| 02:19.30 | T0mW | yeah |
| 02:19.51 | ds2 | which one? think they are different |
| 02:20.22 | T0mW | transflash. So far, up to 512Meg, anything larger, reportedly, doesn't work. I've yet to get a 1Gig microSD card. Too busy with other stuff. |
| 02:20.44 | ds2 | okay, so YET another kind of flash to get... |
| 02:20.51 | T0mW | heh |
| 02:21.02 | ds2 | I'll bug you with the details when my zipit actually arrive in my hands |
| 02:21.02 | T0mW | ds2: keeps getting smaller though |
| 02:21.34 | T0mW | ds2: you bought one of those that that guy in South Carolina put up a few days ago? |
| 02:21.39 | ds2 | nope |
| 02:21.48 | ds2 | I found a source for new ones @ $39 + shipping |
| 02:21.58 | T0mW | $9.99 + $9.99 shipping, he put 31 up for sale on ebay |
| 02:22.05 | ds2 | fedex claims they received it |
| 02:22.37 | ds2 | so half my price plus whatever it costs in dignity to tolerate ebay |
| 02:22.43 | T0mW | dunno how good it was, he only had something like 138 tranactions, mostly purchases. |
| 02:23.08 | ds2 | mine is from circuit city so I should be able to dispute it or return it |
| 02:23.55 | T0mW | ds2: I bought my Samsung 244T (24" widescreen) monitor from a pawn^H^H^H^H liquidator in Mossouri. I had my fingers crossed on that deal: $600 |
| 02:24.19 | ds2 | T0mW: credit card or paypal? |
| 02:24.23 | T0mW | but, he has 4000+ feedbacks |
| 02:24.26 | T0mW | paypal |
| 02:24.35 | ds2 | yuck |
| 02:24.40 | T0mW | shruh |
| 02:24.42 | T0mW | shrug |
| 02:25.03 | T0mW | it came with ebay garuntee, whatever that was worth |
| 02:25.06 | ds2 | don't trust paypal... for that much, I'd do it in person or with a CC |
| 02:25.31 | ds2 | ebay has a lot of interesting stuff but it just takes one to really eat up your time and money |
| 02:25.35 | T0mW | ds2: I got paypal after some slime used my CC number to subscribe to a porn site. |
| 02:25.38 | T0mW | ds2: and |
| 02:25.46 | T0mW | ds2: it was gay porn |
| 02:25.49 | T0mW | :-/ |
| 02:26.01 | agaffney | that was an odd line to jump to this window on... |
| 02:26.09 | T0mW | So, I knew it wasn't me looking at all those guys! |
| 02:26.17 | T0mW | agaffney: LOL |
| 02:26.18 | agaffney | just some of them? :P |
| 02:26.26 | ds2 | that's why I don't do paypal or ebay |
| 02:26.40 | agaffney | I've been doing both for 7-8 years without problems |
| 02:26.46 | ds2 | MO's are free from my bank anyways and unlike a check, they can't use the numbers to do EFT games |
| 02:26.48 | T0mW | ds2: naw, someone swiped the number from a company I used the card with. |
| 02:27.03 | ds2 | Oh you got a paypal card |
| 02:27.08 | T0mW | ds2: no |
| 02:27.15 | ds2 | eh? |
| 02:27.24 | agaffney | there was a bunch of people locally who had their credit cards used in Mexico after using them at a local mexican restaurant chain |
| 02:27.32 | agaffney | I was luckily not one of them |
| 02:27.38 | agaffney | I go to that place a lot |
| 02:27.54 | agaffney | they'll bring in people from mexico for a few months at a time |
| 02:28.02 | agaffney | the people go back with a handful of CCs :/ |
| 02:28.02 | ds2 | but with Cc, you got the law that says worse case you can stuck with $50 max. |
| 02:28.16 | T0mW | ds2: the number they stole was my bank check card, sorry, meant that. Anyway, I use paypal to pay with cash and keep bank account isolated. |
| 02:28.22 | agaffney | does that apply to debit cards, as well? |
| 02:28.36 | agaffney | I'd be screwed if someone got my debit card number |
| 02:28.39 | agaffney | I use that all the time |
| 02:28.43 | agaffney | very rarely use my credit cards |
| 02:28.48 | ds2 | I never ever use a debit card |
| 02:28.49 | agaffney | and it's my main checking account |
| 02:29.01 | ds2 | way too dangerous and you're not protected |
| 02:29.09 | agaffney | you're somewhat protected |
| 02:29.11 | T0mW | I have a CitiBank card that I purchase all the stuff for business use. that is all that card is used for. |
| 02:29.20 | agaffney | depending on which logo (visa, mastercard, etc.) and your bank |
| 02:29.21 | T0mW | ds2: yeah, I was dumb |
| 02:29.29 | ds2 | not really, it can take a month for the balance to go back into your account |
| 02:29.59 | ds2 | at least w/Cc, once disputed... your current cash flow isn't messed up |
| 02:30.25 | T0mW | I only purchase what I can afford. I have a zero balance at the end of the month on everything. I got burned bad from credit in 1998 |
| 02:30.36 | T0mW | had like $16K on cards |
| 02:30.51 | ds2 | same here, if I can't be sure to pay off the entire amount at the end of a month, I don'tbuy |
| 02:30.58 | T0mW | right |
| 02:31.08 | ds2 | never carry a balance |
| 02:31.09 | T0mW | ds2: you are a "deadbeat" like me |
| 02:31.16 | ds2 | heh yep |
| 02:31.36 | ds2 | and i get a small rebate out it |
| 02:32.22 | T0mW | heh, prolly if we got another card with a $1k limit, then charged something stupid on it and paid it off at the minimum payment, our FICO score would jump 30 points |
| 02:32.38 | ds2 | that's reminds me, i need to find a normal surplus place that has cheap CO2 lasers |
| 02:32.55 | T0mW | how many watts? |
| 02:33.07 | ds2 | >10W, 30ish perferred |
| 02:33.12 | T0mW | nod |
| 02:33.15 | ds2 | want it for engraving stuff |
| 02:33.20 | T0mW | plastic + paper cutting |
| 02:33.29 | ds2 | easy to find on ebay but since i don't use them.... |
| 02:33.50 | ds2 | might do some metals with a special coating |
| 02:33.53 | T0mW | I've thought about getting an engraver... |
| 02:34.19 | ds2 | then once you see the pricetag |
| 02:34.27 | T0mW | just to cut stencils for PCB work, but held off on that. Yeah, pricy |
| 02:34.47 | T0mW | but, doesn't look like many new board designs for me in the near future. |
| 02:35.12 | ds2 | special code using COTS hardware? |
| 02:35.30 | T0mW | I've been working with an insurance company porting code from SCO ---> linux |
| 02:35.31 | T0mW | heh |
| 02:35.37 | ds2 | ah |
| 02:35.51 | ds2 | that's what I was doing a decade ago |
| 02:36.08 | T0mW | ds2: I guess after todays ruling they will be eager to see this project through to completion. |
| 02:36.50 | ds2 | T0mW: I didn't read it yet but does it effectively means even old SCO versions are revoked? |
| 02:36.58 | T0mW | no |
| 02:37.17 | T0mW | just that the sword they were holding over linux is gone now. |
| 02:37.36 | T0mW | also, they owe Novell a LOT of money (about 25million?) |
| 02:38.01 | T0mW | IOW, I would doubt that they can pay salaries next month |
| 02:38.05 | ds2 | so Novell is official keeper of the unix challice now? |
| 02:38.09 | T0mW | yes |
| 02:38.20 | T0mW | Novel owns the copyright to UNIX |
| 02:38.25 | T0mW | Novel owns the copyright to UNIX code |
| 02:38.35 | ds2 | didn't they sell it to SCO? |
| 02:39.12 | T0mW | nope, just sold them the rights to run the unix business. SCO didn't have enough cash at the time to purchase the source rights. |
| 02:39.16 | agaffney | that's what SCO would like people to think :P |
| 02:39.30 | ds2 | Ohhhhh |
| 02:39.54 | chouimat|tv | hmmm sco, people and thinking in the same sentence ... this just can't work :) |
| 02:40.23 | T0mW | Judge Kimball has been patiently sitting through all this crap that SCO has been pulling in the courtroom and now he has ruled. Ding dong the witch is dead!... |
| 02:40.44 | T0mW | chouimat|tv: go back to your coors lite |
| 02:40.47 | ds2 | so all in all, does this mean sysv is dead? |
| 02:41.01 | chouimat|tv | T0mW: tonight I'm drinking perrier |
| 02:41.14 | chouimat|tv | http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=14c48e29-1c35-41a6-9074-a062665e1ade |
| 02:41.14 | T0mW | chouimat|tv: ah, diet ginger ale here. |
| 02:41.48 | chouimat|tv | T0mW: I have some scotch but it's boring to drink scotch alone |
| 02:41.58 | ds2 | Novell is officially selling Linux now... |
| 02:42.26 | T0mW | ds2: no, just all the bull that SCO has been attempting to pull should be over now. HP, IBM and others are still shipping sysv stuff and have a proper license from Novell to do so. |
| 02:42.56 | ds2 | Oh didn't know sysv is still shipped ;) |
| 02:42.58 | chouimat|tv | is sysv not a standard anyway now? |
| 02:43.18 | chouimat|tv | ds2: (open)solaris is sysv |
| 02:43.28 | agaffney | wait, did something new happen with SCO vs. IBM? |
| 02:43.48 | T0mW | ds2: actually, the majority of the unix code is public domain. Or so some of the ATT + Berkley settlement infers. |
| 02:44.01 | T0mW | agaffney: not yet |
| 02:44.24 | T0mW | agaffney: I doubt that they have had time to file |
| 02:44.27 | chouimat|tv | T0mW: you are talking about this? http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070810165237718 |
| 02:44.44 | chouimat|tv | wow 102 pages |
| 02:44.48 | T0mW | chouimat|tv: yes |
| 02:45.10 | ds2 | One day a new linearage will rise forth from the north to unite the great Unix schism.... |
| 02:45.16 | T0mW | chouimat|tv: I am sure PJ is eating chocolates, and sending her red dress to the cleaners |
| 02:45.29 | chouimat|tv | hehe |
| 02:46.33 | T0mW | I wonder what IBM is going to ask for in damages? |
| 02:47.11 | chouimat|tv | T0mW: maybe but I doubt sco will have enough money left :) |
| 02:47.33 | T0mW | IIRC, SCO lawyers were sanctioned by Judge Kimball |
| 02:47.38 | T0mW | IIRC, SCO lawyers were sanctioned once by Judge Kimball |
| 02:48.32 | T0mW | chouimat|tv: oooh, I wonder if Novell will revoke the SUN and MicroSoft unix deals as being "improper" cause SCO did them? |
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| 02:48.50 | T0mW | It ain't over yey |
| 02:48.51 | T0mW | It ain't over yet |
| 02:49.05 | T0mW | drat, tired, kant tipe no mo |
| 02:49.12 | chouimat|tv | T0mW: I don't know ... I have problem thinking like a lawyer |
| 02:49.22 | ds2 | isn't there still room for appeal and a temporary injunction against the ruling? |
| 02:50.20 | chouimat|tv | ds2: it;s a possibility |
| 02:51.14 | T0mW | ds2: the apeals courts generally don't like to rethink a decision by the trial judge. |
| 02:51.25 | ds2 | oh |
| 02:51.26 | chouimat|tv | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.38 | T0mW | I'm sure that SCO will file a snowstorm of paperwork for an appeal |
| 02:52.00 | ds2 | so we can look forward to seeing SCO stock certs being solid as momentos and spoils? |
| 02:52.07 | T0mW | lol |
| 02:52.12 | T0mW | ~quote scox |
| 02:52.21 | chouimat|tv | T0mW: but they will have to come up with a lot of good arguments to prove the judge did a mistake :) |
| 02:52.35 | T0mW | we'll have to see what it is at the close on Monday |
| 02:53.09 | T0mW | chouimat|tv: correct. I think that Kimball has been very patient with SCO lawyers... |
| 02:53.47 | T0mW | Novell had a good team though, they drilled the case down to the copyrights issue. |
| 02:53.55 | T0mW | OH! OH! |
| 02:54.22 | chouimat | T0mW: is the IBM vs Sco still going on? I got so bored that I stopped following this crap :) |
| 02:54.31 | T0mW | And Novell found the original lawyer that negotiated, then signed the asset agreement for Novel. |
| 02:54.42 | T0mW | AND the guy kept scrupulous notes! |
| 02:54.51 | chouimat | ouch |
| 02:55.05 | T0mW | I doubt that SCO will have much more than "courtroom procedure" to appeal |
| 02:55.31 | chouimat | lawyers and insurance salepersons MASTERS of the CYOA! |
| 02:55.49 | T0mW | yeah, but this guy kept that information for over 20 years |
| 02:56.54 | T0mW | he was in on the original Tarantella deal, the Santa Cruz people before they sold their assets to SCO |
| 02:57.28 | chouimat | T0mW: poor interns ... digging all this stuff from the archive :) |
| 02:57.40 | T0mW | chouimat: I've been following along via groklaw and PJ has laid it out pretty well for us. |
| 02:58.35 | chouimat | I want to sleep tonight |
| 02:58.37 | T0mW | chouimat: oh no! |
| 02:58.53 | T0mW | chouimat: you live in one of those places? |
| 02:59.16 | T0mW | chouimat: apartment building I meant |
| 02:59.17 | chouimat | T0mW: define those places? |
| 02:59.27 | chouimat | yes |
| 02:59.32 | T0mW | ugh |
| 02:59.56 | T0mW | well, I am going to score a Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream to celebrate |
| 02:59.59 | T0mW | cul |
| 03:00.06 | chouimat | T0mW: it's ok ... it's my 4th year here and it';s the first fire alarm I had ... and before that in 11 years I never had one |
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| 15:28.53 | T0mW | Crofton|home: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070810165237718 |
| 15:28.55 | T0mW | heh |
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